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Let's say there is someone the Bills really like at 9 but they manage to convince the Broncos to swap with them to prevent any other team from jumping into 9 to get a QB. The Bills upgrade a 4th to a 3rd for their trouble. The Bills still get their guy at 10 and now have 3 more picks in the top 74. Among their 5 picks in the first 4 rounds the Bills get a combination of Edge, DT, TE, WR, and RB who can all see playing time this year and offer significant roster upgrades in 2019 and beyond. It looks like an impact edge player needs to be taken in the top 50. Here's one set of combinations I like: Sweat// Butler// Montgomery// Sternberger or Warring//Saunders or Wren

I hadn't seen that one. It's a very good compilation of what he can do to beat defenders. Whether the Bills get him or not, I'll keep tabs on his career much like I do James Conner.

Travis was a very good player but was maybe the most ill-prepared for adulthood of any Bill of which I can think.

Speaking of Denver, I wonder what they would offer the Bills to keep someone else from trading up to #9. That might allow the Bills to upgrade one of their picks in a later round, maybe a 4th to a 3rd, for instance. The Bills get the same player they would have taken at 9 and another premium pick and the Broncos get their choice of the QBs on the board at 9 and prevent some other team from coming up in front of them and taking their guy.

That's what much of his running was. I read somewhere that he averaged over 10 yards per dropback/scramble. That's like completing 100% of his check down throws for over 10 ypc. I doubt that any QB can come close to that. His running was better than check down throws would have been. I am not one of those to believe that staying in the pocket is the safest option. At least not until they protect him better. Kiko Alonso and Anthony Barr would be in favor of more check down throws too, I bet.

Not a normal source of NFL talent but I really like David Montgomery and Hakeem Butler of ISU. Montgomery's style is the type I prefer as he constantly beats would be tacklers with quick cuts and outstanding power. He is nearly 220 lbs., his comp is Kareem Hunt and he might be an early 3rd round option. He was credited with over 100 broken tackles last year and is a chain moving, tackle breaking, bowling ball of a runner. David Montgomery Hakeem Butler is the biggest of the big WRs in this draft with just under a 7ft. wingspan and that's the body type missing from their WR group. The comps I've read on him are Brandon Marshall and Plaxico Burress. He's very good at using his size and reach advantage to adjust to poorly located throws and then transitioning to RAC yardage as he averaged 20+ ypc. Drops are an issue and may be more so as ISU QB seems to favor soft tosses down field, but he represents a win above the rim pass catcher and big play threat. He could be available early in the 2nd. Hakeem Butler One or both these guys would upgrade the skill positions for this offense for the next 4 or more years, imo. And it is fairly unlikley that my favorite WR and RB in this draft for the Bills roster would be from the same school and one like Iowa State at that.

This is probably the worst case scenario for a pick at 9 but the best case for a trade back as only one QB is off the board. Denver might make the trade just to prevent them from losing their QB choice and still get the same pick we would have had at 9. Maybe convert a 5th to a 3rd for the trouble.

And with Lorax still here, Burns gets to see how it's done. I like that thinking. Joe Marino, of the Locked On Bills Podcast and The Draft Network, thinks Burns is the best pass rusher in the draft, so there's that. He seems small to me, but so is Hughes.

The Bills obviously did not like their o-line group and attacked it with a vengeance. I wonder how many of the 6 they signed actually make the 53 man roster. It seemed like overkill but the Bills want the problem fixed and by boosting the numbers of NFL quality players and letting them compete for spots they feel like it will be. That same philosophy could apply to fixing their punting and they may well draft one if there is one they really like. Directional kicking, having different types of situational kicks, hang time and near zero mishits are what I'd look for. The ten picks they have right now can't all make the roster so I could see them 'burning" a late one on a punter.

Beane has said that he likes receivers that can win in different ways and I like Hakeem Butler as the down field, above the rim, body type that is missing from the wide receiver group. He has a wingspan just short of 7 ft. but has some drop issues. Looking at his catches, his QB under threw him a bunch and he would turn into the defender and out fight him for possession. Also, those throws looked nothing like what JA delivers, so that may be a problem. Here's a link to a nice Giant's article specifically about Hakeem and other lengthy WRs in this draft. I'd bet the Bills get one of them: tall-wide-receiver-prospects Butler looks to be moving up the board to late 1st round territory, so the Bills may not get a shot at him at 40.

Too much blue. Needs a better balance of the three colors, imo. Something like the team logo on a white front with a white bill/blue bolts and red stars. I hated the blue on blue home uniforms of a decade ago. Wrong shade of blue and they looked like pajamas.

UB had 6.5 for over/under last year and I was convinced that was way too low. I do not gamble because I really can't afford to lose but I'd feel similarly about this prospect.

I was convinced she'd get more than 1 because that's how I think the world works. As for the sexist comments, most people on TV either local or national, have to pass a visual appearance threshold. Ugly people are the most discriminated minority group in our society and it's not even close.

I could be wrong but Robb seemed to show up about the time Ryan Lewis made the roster. I was actually hoping there was an actual Robb connection as he is one of my all time favorite Bills.

I am in favor of BPA which odds seem to suggest will be a defender. If so, I'd want them to get the guy that can make the biggest impact on 3rd down and red zone situations. I'd like it if they had a choice between Oliver and Sweat (or some of the other edge players) and then we'd know which they preferred, because I am very curious about what their thinking would be and that's the only way to know. The more QBs that make it to the top 10 the more likely it would be.

It was the defense that really disliked him. Talley is another that felt that way. I think Hank told him he couldn't play in so many words and he did not take to the criticism well. I don't know that I ever heard an offensive guy say anything bad about him so maybe he did not interact with them much. It's one thing to challenge your team but it's another to loose their respect and then openly mock you. I remember his son Chuck played at OP high school before going on to Michigan State where Hank had played. Lots of the Bullough family have played there since.

Robb is one of may all time favorites. I remember Kelly complaining about the "drop" afterward. He had 7 catches for 50 yards that game but catching a ball above your head with an arm cast where you can't trap it with your body is near impossible. I hope Robb is ok. The way he played he'd be a prime CTE candidate.

A front line defender with 3rd down impact. Is that Oliver or Sweat/Burns/Gary/etc.? That is the primary reason that takeaway and redzone numbers were not a better and are what was truly lacking from the 2018 defense. As for the rest: TE=OT>WR>RB>DT>LB>CB I base this on his is based on the roster currently lacks and the probablity that a rookie could have for serious playing time in 2019.

Not without precedent though. Many recent examples of teams which had a string of poor records that become good real fast with a young QB on a rookie deal. Seahawks, Rams and Eagles come to mind. This can happen fast. Bears are close. Browns are looking promising. Beane is trying to make it happen here.

I can agree with most all of that. It would be fun to watch that happen. I am not sure about Vick being a better runner aside from speed. Josh is tougher to bring down including a nasty stiff arm (don't do that with your right hand Josh!) and I always thought of Vick as fumbler. When at Philly, I said that he was a combination of indecisive and unaware and often trapped and blindsided in the pocket. I don't know what his actual ball security numbers are for his career but I think it to be extreme toward the negative.

I don't know what methodology any of them utilize but if they think that "average time to throw" is a metric of o-line blocking efficiency (and some do) then they did not actually watch any 2018 Bills games.

I haven't seen video on most of these guys but I did like what I saw of David Montgomery of Iowa State. At 5''10", 222 lbs. he's like a bowling ball with good vision and balance. By Lance Zierlein NFL Analyst NFL Comparison Kareem Hunt Overview One of the safest runners in this draft with a desirable combination of size, vision, toughness and creativity. He runs with impressive calm and instincts in the midst of interior mayhem, weaving and battering his way through traffic. Smart teams will recognize his ability to create yardage for himself with his eyes, footwork, contact balance and power. Should alleviate concerns about his lack of explosiveness. Montgomery has a pro-ready game and Day 2 (Rounds 2-3) value as a good NFL starter.

Wow, you're pretty good remembering stuff that I don't even remember posting but the Tannehill part seems wrong because I was never high on Tannehill. Although the argument may have been that EJ was on par with him (and Carr?) and did not warrant the permanent benching he got. But, yeah the case can be made that: 1) EJ's rookie year was in line with any of his QB peer group. EJs peer group for 2013 is Geno Smith , Mike Glennon, Tyler Wilson, Ryan Nassib . So he did as well as these guys? Yay? 2) Being pulled after going 2/2 in his 2nd year after just having their offense wrecked by JJ Watt was premature and unprecedented. 3) That Kyle Orton was not an improvement to the Bills offense in any measurable way. Didn't the offense actually move the ball with Orton in 2014? Orton had better completion percentage , QB ratings, and yards per attempt than EJ that year. 4) That EJ had the best performances in the 2015 preseason games but Tyrod was the choice from the get go and it did not matter. 5) That all of EJ's game appearances since then have been poor to middling. What any of that has to do with Chad Kelly is a mystery to me. The reason for original question was to point out you like lost cause or no cause QBs ? 1) Nay. See the peer group from the Allen/Wentz thread, page 2 by BuffaloHokie13. 31 rookie QBs from 2011 thru 2018. EJ is right in the middle. 3) Measurable is the wrong word. Meaningful is better. PPG or offensive ranking were pretty much the same pre and post EJ benching. No real reason to pull the plug on a 2nd year, 1st round QB after less than 20 career starts. What any of that has to do with Chad Kelly is a mystery to me. The reason for original question was to point out you like lost cause or no cause QBs. My answer to this is that EJ was not a lost cause in 2015 when Rex was taking over. Some predicted it but it wasn't so at that point, imo. His Bills career died in London. As far as Chad goes, his stock is about as low as could be. But, entering the 2018 OTAs and training camp, after having rehabbed knee and wrist surgeries and with only a 7th round pick having been invested in him, he managed to get very close to the starting job in Denver. He had a great preseason. Now he's got to work his way back up from the bottom of professional football and I suggest it would be greatly beneficial for him to get some professional help before he attempts it. Andy Dufresne: Remember Red, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. Our country is built on redemption. Some believe in it and some don't.

His name is Kelly, he grew up in WNY and we have been hearing and seeing reports on him since he was a P, P and K participant at the then Ralph. His St Joes stint, P, P and K competitions, being a 4 star recruit to Clemson, a participant at the UA allstar game, and of course all the times he he got in trouble were all reported on in the WNY media market. If any of this had happened in other other media pond it would not have caused a ripple here.

Wow, you're pretty good remembering stuff that I don't even remember posting but the Tannehill part seems wrong because I was never high on Tannehill. Although the aregument may have been that EJ was on par with him (and Carr?) and did not warrant the permanent benching he got. But, yeah the case can be made that: 1) EJ's rookie year was in line with any of his QB peer group. 2) Being pulled after going 2/2 in his 2nd year after just having their offense wrecked by JJ Watt was premature and unprecendented. 3) That Kyle Orton was not an improvement to the Bills offense in any measurable way. 4) That EJ had the best performances in the 2015 preseason games but Tyrod was the choice from the get go and it did not matter. 5) That all of EJ's game appearances since then have been poor to middling. What any of that has to do with Chad Kelly is a mystery to me.