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The path of the ball "skips" due to the contact which was probably on the under side of the ball. Sorry you can't see it. The trouble is that it is tough to see the initial trajectory between the release point and contact so it is tough to see the path altered. At 80+ fps it's just a blur both before and after. Watch it full speed and there is a hopping effect to the path after it passes the defender. For some of these a zoomed in endzone shot would be nice. I think this one is clear.

At 1:43 the pass is tipped by Texans" LB (#55? McKinney?) during the OT. I wonder if Josh is prone to these tips. A quick high release combined with elite velocity might mean fewer batted balls (which are obvious where the nose of the ball needs to hit something) and more tipped ones.

At 1:11 Ravens' DT (#97?Michael Pierce?) tips the JA pass and it skips upwards after contact. Like a poor attempt to block a volleyball spike. So, Cian Fahey is inaccurate about this one too.

This throw produced a severe reaction in section 228. A wide open Dawson Knox is severely overthrown (into the wind) which produced many groans and sounds of verbal outrage. Just a continuation of his deeper throws inaccuracy maybe. But, thanks to Cian Fahey, I now see that Josh' forearm is crashing down on Chris Wormley's outstretched hand causing the ball to come out too early. If you watch it in the video, Wormley reacts like he touched a hot stove because it probably hurt more than just a little.

I am advocating for Josh in the court of public opinion. Cian Fahey is charging Josh with being the most inaccurate QB in the entire league. The video is his exhibit A and it's half full of plays like those two pictured above. His "evidence" is a steaming pile of bovine excrement.

Good question. Cody's footwork is terrible on the play. After the initial punch by the defender, Cody is knocked off balance, looses leverage and is bullrushed right into Josh. The red shoes really help to highlight their placement. At one point they are both at hash mark, perpendicular to the line of scrimmage. That is a losing position and he never anchors. Why all this happened I dont know. Ford is a rookie? Ford is not a RT? The defender made a nice play? Maybe the result an illegal headslap? I can't tell on my phone"s screen. Anyways, the only thing that slows the rush is when Cody collides with Josh.

This person makes a statement that, for the second year in a row, Josh Allen is the least accurate QB in the NFL and its not close. Then, in a supposed attempt to bolster his conclusion, he posts a hand picked (?) compilation of horribly errant Josh throws. And when you watch them they might seem to be as he claimed and as some here in this thread agreed. But, if you look closer at them, many are like these two above. Cian Fahey is less accurate than Josh.

Other than wasting time here? What's your real hobby?

Someone compiled this video as evidence of how horribly inaccurate Josh is. Many of these are not what he said they are.

At :25 seconds arms of Chad Thomas #92 (I think) and Josh Allen have a meeting. Evidence of bad Josh accuracy?

At 1:49 Cody loses leverage and is waltzed backward to step on Josh's plant foot. Errant due to inaccuracy?

We all agree that there is a "hole" on the roster in the RB group. Whoever they add and by whatever means they get him, he will be on the field with the ball in his hands way more than any other player they acquire from now until the start of the season (if we are blessed to have the conditions to have one.) This will happen if he is RB1, RB1a/b or RB2. RBs take more physical punishment than any other position, imo, and they get dinged up all the time. This RB might get significant playing time should Devin suffer any lingering or serious injury. We all want more playmaking talent added to the offense, right? So, why not get the best playmaking talent possible added to the roster? I am pretty sure that the Bills front office has put together a well thought out plan to address this roster "hole." I'd love to know what it is. We'll probably only know a small part of it based on what we see them do in the draft. Do they want a specialist? Do they want an all around talent that is capable of being on the field in any situation? Do they want someone that is good at parts of the game where Devin lacks? Getting someone as good as or better than Devin makes the offense better.

The word "talks" usually implies "negotiations." I did not get that context from the comments Beane made. I got that he had merely reached out to their representation to present a timeline of when the Bills thought it made sense to have "talks." But, maybe I missed something.

Singletary is an odd case to me. His athletic testing was poor but his play seems incompatible with that. Making tacklers miss in a phone booth seems like a trait of great athlete to me. Anyways, he needs a reliable running mate. Someone to share the load and compete with him for playing time. I'll bet they'll both become better blockers, route runners and pass catchers just to earn their time on the field. I want this RB addition to be an elite playmaker because for however many touches they get, they will make the offense better when they are on the field. So, I am in favor of any outcome that shows the Bills thought this to be a priority addition to the roster because it is one clear way to make this team better in 2020. Getting an elite talent in the draft means we have both him and Singletary for the next 3 years and our offense has someone to threaten the defense no matter which is in the game. So, I like many of these scenarios as long as the Bills get it right which they probably will. I hope the guy they draft is as good as or better than Devin because it makes the team that much better.

One of those being against the Pats where he was facemasked without a call and slid outside the tackle to dive forward? That was almost as good as the one on Thanksgiving.

Thanks for posting this. I started a thread about a video posted to Twitter by Cian Fahey that was supposed to bolster Cian's bottom-of-the-barrel evaluation of Josh. When I looked at the video and slowed the plays down there 3 to 6 throws that were tipped by the DL, 2 maybe 3 where his arm was hit during the throw and another where Cody Ford lost leverage and was fast waltzed backwards and kicked Josh in the leg while in mid throw. So, of the 15 or so throws in the "Josh Allen is comically inaccurate" low light video compilation, 6 to 10 of the examples were not as advertised. Many of them I had not noticed when they happened or at any other point prior to watching this. So thanks to Cian for grouping these together in one place to make it easier to analyze them. One of them was an overthrow of Knox in the first quarter vs. the Ravens. The whole crowd was in "wtf Josh!" after that throw. Here's a screen snip of it below. I believe the Ravens' player is Chris Wormley and his hand is about to be smashed by Josh's forearm. As good as the highlight videos are and as much fun as they are to watch, I actually felt good about many of these low light throws too because many actually proved to be the result of something other than Josh's overstated accuracy "problem." If anything Josh Allen's throws are way more accurate than Cian Fahey's QB analysis.

Some nice RB talent in the draft and the Bills have a current roster need(s) at the position. It's one of the few positions where a draftee is sure to make the 55 man roster. Yes, they could go FA after the draft but when they can do physicals is anyone's guess. Having a rookie on a 4 year deal at a nice price to pair with Singletary is a nice scenario that could have a big impact on the 2020 team. I'd like the player to be the equal of or better than Devin because it would make the offense better.

The point you are missing is that the person doing the "grading" and put the video together chose a sample of 15 or so errant throws and 6 to 10 of which had nothing to do with accuracy. Therefore, I question the grader and creator of video who I've been informed is Cian Fahey. Throws that were disrupted by contact with his arm or leg or tipped by a DL are not evidence of poor accuracy. It's evidence of a sloppy process or a biased agenda. Put that on a milk carton. As for the rest WE ALL KNOW he needs more development. But, if the video is tied to his grading system, I reject its product. Some here seem to know his work quite well and think he clings to an anti Josh agenda.

Everyone can see the effect of a batted ball. It crashes to the turf or pops into the air, vulnerable to an interception. it's obvious to all. What is the effect on the flight of the ball of a slight tip? You can't always be sure it occurred. Watch the video and try to stop it at the key parts. When it's near the release point it's tougher to see. At 80+ ft/s the ball is a blur and without seeing an established flight path you don't know for sure it was altered. When it does happen it would be poor evidence of an "inaccurate" throw. Some have pointed out decision making tied to a late throw. Late throws give the DL time to get their arms raised.

Not to sure about his reputation or agenda. Appears to be a fired ESPN Analytics guy with a connection to Football Outsiders. I would guess that he put the video together. If that is his exhibit A of Josh Allen sucks he did a lazy job of trying to make his point. Picking 15 errant throws but having 1 with his shin kicked, 2 or 3 with his arm hit in midthrow and 3 to 6 with the ball tipped by a defender makes for a weak case. One could question his ability to analyze anything. Maybe he is the worst.

I always liked Chris Spielman's analysis. I rarely see any of his Fox games but his ESPN cfb work was great. It's a matter of articulating the details that his mlb brain notices. Details that most analysts never see or lack the context to comment on.

It was a video I came across on Twitter and I did not know who made it. Was it his? It struck me that a good portion of those errant throws weren't about his accuracy at all.

I think I need to issue an APB for the point of my thread because everyone is missing it. Almost half of the supposedly inaccurate throws in the video were errant due to something BESIDES HIS ACCURACY. That's my point. Agree or don't.

This is someone's idea of evidence for how inaccurate Josh is. Some of these are either bad or poorly timed throws, for sure. The question I have is how many of these were either tipped by a defender at the line or are instances where his arm hit in the middle of the throwing motion? It is tough to tell for sure as most of the time it's a blur of an arm releasing a blur of a ball going by a blur of a hand or arm. I think there are at least 6 of them. On some of them I remember cursing at Josh for missing such an open receiver. Anyways, I think this sort of thing happens way more than often than anyone ever notices either live, in the TV replay or in the post game analysis. You would need a high speed camera zoomed in on the ball to see enough detail to be 100 % sure. Just looking for some TBD opinions. Inaccurate Throws????? :03 Not sure. The ball seems to skip upward as it passes Steeler DL. :12 Not sure but the ball enters the wash near Redskin's #91's arm. :21 Throw needs a low trajectory. The DL extends his arm out about shoulder high. I think he got it. :25 Obvious contact with Josh's forearm during the throw. :37 Not 100% sure but looks like a tip by the DT as it looked like his fingers flexed backward. :44 Two Pats defenders in his grill. Either Josh short armed it or his arm was hit. :50 Leaping Browns defender in Josh's face. The ball looks slowed and lacks the normal zip. I think he got it. 1:11 Can't tell for sure but the ball might have gone between DL's hands. Looks volleyballed up and wobbly. 1:27 1st quarter vs. Ravens. I think I gave a wtf at Josh from section 228 at this throw but it looks like Josh's arm and defender's are on a collision course. Defender's arm looks to take a post collision dip. 1:49 Cody Ford is waltzed backwards like Ginger Rodgers and kicks the shin of Josh's plant foot in the middle of the throw. Confrimation Bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions, leading to statistical errors. “Give a man a reputation as an early riser and he can sleep 'til noon.” ― Mark Twain

Technically, that's what we do here. Almost everything discussion worthy starts with someone's subjective opinion. My problems with the unit grades were the O-line was too low (far from average) and Josh being so much lower than Baker. It says that the offense needs to step it up which it has every chance to do and an injection of talent on that side of the ball would be helpful. Although, I would agree with you that win probabilities and predraft unit rankings seems way premature and therefore higher on the "waste of time" scale than most topics.