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1 minute ago, CaptnCoke11 said:
So the Patriots would be the only other team to draft him? Makes sense
I think the first TE spot would be Tennessee at 19, maybe Bengals at 11 if Devin White is not available
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If I were the Bills GM I would try and sign RT Darryl Williams, G Ramon Foster and resign Jordan Phillips.
Try to trade down maybe with the Redskins for their 1st and 2nd. Then at 15 I select TE TJ Hockenson, he is the next Gronk and if we pass and the Patriots get him we will suffer for the next 10 years. Then in round 2 I would select WR Hakeem
Butler and C Bradberry.
Love to roll out a WR crew of Butler, Foster, Jones and McKenzie (or maybe a Tavon Austin) and Hockenson and Croom at TE.
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7 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:
I know this is a harmless hypothetical .. but who is left on the board at 9 when the Bills pick?
This should be the primary assessment that the Bills need to consider whether to move down or not .., not the compensation..
If Josh Allen is still there it doesn’t really matter what they get offered to move down ( I hope)..Perhaps an extreme example, but what if they love someone and he is still there at 9? Shouldn’t they just take him?
I also don’t think that Beane is thinking ...” we’ll if I move down to 20 I can get this dude, and then with the extra second I can fill need B and with the extra third round I can fill need C”..
The free agency and draft are to fill needs and add depth. If Beene is not thinking about filling primary needs by any means available he should be fired.
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Making food for 4
3lb marinated Tri-tip with fresh mushroom and onion
Garlic Parmesan Chicken Tenders
3 lb Carne Asada
5 lbs St. Louis Spare Ribs
Foot long hot dogs
Crockpot Baked beans
Potato Salad
Garden Salad
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6 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:
Its realy based on the market and how much a player is coveted. I will agree that teams that want a QB are usually desperate but Beane told Tampa he wouldnt give them what they wanted IIRC and they called back with an offer that was acceptable. 1 has a rediculous value 4-5 are costly. Top ten is still the sweet spot. Their is a premium when asking a team to move 5 places out of the Top 10 with elite talent on the board. We will likely be looking at a few players we want that are elite. Who is left on the board dictates a lot also. Can Buf still get a guy they want at 15. They would have to get enough to make them able to do what I think McBeane wants to do and that is trade back into the first while still having a 2nd after. Thats what I believe to be the case.
Good chance if he is that valueable we take him.
I love this player but he plays same position as Edmunds, if they move Edmunds to OLB, White would be an awesome choice
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Waiting to see how amazing Kay Adams and Colleen Wolfe look on the red carpet show.
Two amazingly beautiful women,
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2 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:
We gave up more than that to go from 12 to 7. 20 to 9 is 2 first rounders territory.
QB draft compensation has a higher premium hence the draft capital. That's why a trade down with the Redskins would net a 2nd
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Just now, Turk71 said:
Trade down with Washington for their 2nd rnder, then down again with Pittsburgh. One first at 20 then 3 2nds. Perfect positions for wrs and oline.
Problem with your scenario is Bengals take the LB the Steelers would trade up for. A trade down with Skins would net us a 1st and 2nd and to balance the value the Bills would have to give up a 4th.
Bills would then have Pick 15, 40, 46, 74
Kind of prefer a potential Steeler trade down
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I'm sure Brandon Beene is looking at many different trade scenarios. Based on the list of Prioritized needs:
Interior OL
WR
TE
DT
RB
Lets assume Bills add RT Darryl Williams, a WR let's say a Chris Conley, a TE possibly a Jesse James or one of the Bengals FA and maybe a DT and a RB such as. TJ Yeldon
Nice FA haul that could fill some of the holes on the roster.
The reason I think a trade down with the Steelers is viable is they need a sideline to sideline LB and would need to get in front of the Bengals to get a shot at LSU stud Devin White.
If two QB's go in the top 8 I think white would be available at pick 9.
This Would give the Bills to choose between letting the Steelers move up and seeing if the Bengals make us an offer to let them go up and get the LB they desperately need.
I think we tell the Steelers they can make the deal if they offer their 1st Pick 20, 2nd Pick 52 and 3rd pick 83 and we offer our 1st 5th to balance the numbers using the 2019 draft value chart.
Now at 20 we probably have our pick of the WR group. Maybe Risner or Cody Ford is available, possible that TJ Hockenson may still be their.
The Bills would have Pick 20 on day 1, picks 40, 52, 74 and 83 on day 2.
I would with those picks take a WR, OL, TE, RB and DT, the order is who is the BPA at the time the pick comes up and the positional depth.
Would love to read your thoughts.
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22 hours ago, CommonCents said:
Exactly. Year after year late round picks and UDFAs come into this league and contribute. There is zero reason to keep an older back when you don’t have his replacement on deck.
They should have drafted Chubb last year and got out in front of it, as I said a million times. Instead they signed another veteran in Ivory and went with the AARP approach with the backfield.
Draft a guy in in the mid rounds, use a late rounder as a flyer and get rid of the old guys. They offer nothing but name recognition.
Yes because I'm sure that Nick Chubb was have been a 1200 yard RB behind that magnificent offensive line the Bills fielded. OJ Simpson, Walter Payton, Eric Dickerson in combination in their primes would have problems rushing for 1000 yards behind the garbage and line coaching last year.
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1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said:
McCarron = $4M for a 5th round 2019 draft pick.......
Let's see Matt Milano and Wyatt Teller were 5th round picks. Your point is outstanding. I'd pay 4 Million in a heartbeat to get those type of results.
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May show the Deadskins plan on tanking 2019 season. Broke knee QB, old RB, violent domestic abuser at LB, crappy WR's. Looking like top pick in 2019 competition with the Dolphins
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1 hour ago, freddyjj said:
Like the names but order messed up. Don't see Harry or TE in Rd 1. My guess is they move back to 15 and take Risner or Ford. Then use 2 seconds on WR and TE.
I think it will be Risner at 15 also, then WR Butler in the 2nd
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2 minutes ago, P51 said:
I posted these numbers in the Crabbs mock thread, and figured they applied here as well, do as you please
"...Last years move up by Buffalo is a very similar situation and they paid a 27% and 29% premium to move up into the top ten according to the JJ and RH trade charts respectively. Thats the market value I think they would be looking for in return in a possible trade down with Washington.
Buffalo trading picks 9 and 167 (pick 8 round 6, pre-comp pick), for Washington's first 3 picks, 15, 46, and 76 would be a premium increase of 24% and 28% according to the JJ and RH trade charts. Sounds like a win win, the Skins jump Denver for their QB of the future, Buffalo moves back and gets a top end prospect and 2 day 2 picks..."
Seems pretty comparable value wise considering both moves are/were for a QB.
Very well researched. Based on skins cap situation this would help them.
Bills then draft
15, 40, 46, 74, 76 the first two days
Wow
Then we have 2 picks in round 4 & 5 and 2 in the 7th
Total roster rebuild with FA acquisitions
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A couple of weeks ago there was some discussion on the Bills in negotiation with Jordan Phillips. Then the Bills signed Lorenzo to a one year deal and I've heard nothing else on Phillips.
Hoping somebody has some updated information.
Thanks
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3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
So I was low (and hopefully wrong) on Josh Allen last year - he was my QB6 - but Haskins (who currently is my QB1 this year) would have been QB5 in last year's draft. I don't think this is a good Quarterback class and having seen a year of Josh Allen I am relieved we have a promising guy and are not trying to find one here.
I agree, I don't like this class at all and Allen is so much more in the area of arm talent, size, speed and attitude. He would be the hands down number 1 QB in this draft.
6 minutes ago, njbuff said:Poor QB play killed him at SC, but he seems to be the perfect kind of player McDermott loves.
And his return ability is intriguing too.
Love Deebo, I'm thinking if we could pull off a deal to move down and also get Redskins 2nd we could really make major strides. The picks would be tied to our FA moves of course. I'm assuming a pair of OL, a WR and TE at a minimum and also a resigning of Jordan Phillips at DT.
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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:
I still don't understand how Drew Lock can be a top 10 pick. I like him. I think he has a chance to develop into a starting QB. But he has way too many holes to go top 10. I can see how Haskins can be a top 10 pick... it is a bit of a reach but he is a Quarterback - they get reached on that is fine. Murray if he is tall enough and convinces teams he wants to play football is a top 10 type pick. Jones I still need to do a lot more work on but liked what I saw in the Senior Bowl. But Drew Lock is a day 2 pick. If a team drafts him top 10 they have lost their collective minds.
It's funny, in watching the senior bowl game I saw Jones stock drop as I believe his arm strength is meh and although he has intangibles don't think he is going to be looked at as a 1st round pick. Lock I believe has an NFL arm but needs development time.
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Looking at the current situation with Alex Smith (out for 2019) and probably done I see a possible trade down now for the Bills.
Lets assess the QB market
FA - Bridgewater, Tyrod Taylor
Potential FA - Nick Foles
Will be traded - Joe Flacco, Blake Bortles
Will they be moved? Dalton, Tannehill
Teams with QB needs:
NY Giants
Jacksonville
Denver
Washington
Bengals and Dolphins probably keep what they have.
Betting Bridgewater goes to Jacksonville
Giants to draft Haskins
Do Redskins reach out to trade for Flacco or look for a QB in the draft.
If the trade comes to be, Bills get pick 15 and Redskins 2nd
My picks:
TJ Hockenson at 15
Hakeem Butler at 40
Chris LIndstrom at 46
Your thoughts
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1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:
The last 2 times the Bills traded down in the 1st round they traded away Patrick Mahomes in 2017 & in 2013 used the lower 1st round pick to select EJ Manuel, but some people still are always looking to trade down. When you trade down you are buying a pig in a poke, not knowing what you're getting. I'd rather trade up for someone I believe in than trade down for who knows what. Give me quality over quantity every time.
Ok, please tell me who you would trade up with in this years draft, who are u looking to add and what will you give up.
Please be specific instead of a random comment that has no relevance to next years team.
FYI, Tre White, Dion Dawkins and part of what was required to get our QB of the future seems to be looking good right now.
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Which player/s are you going to focus on in today's Senior Bowl?
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1 minute ago, billsredneck1 said:
jacksonville trade for carr . they cut a couple of high priced defensive guys....offer future picks and or move a ways down in the 1st rd.
flacco goes to washington. redskins take a project qb later.
tannehil stays in miami...maybe they would rather use the picks to build around him.
dalton stays in cincy but, cincy tries to be a player for lock or jones.
foles goes to denver. don't see him in his current division or the nfc.
oakland rides with a.j. mccarron. maybe bring in brigewater. i think gruden will want to take a couple of years to build from the inside out.
I think the Carr to Jacksonville may be possible but with their hideous cap situation I honestly can't see it.
The Carr contract is done, the Raiders can live with him and start to build their team with all the draft capital they have.
Bills must be major players in free agency on the offensive side of the ball to set-up the draft
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3 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:
Jacksonville is in cap hell, they aren't signing Foles.
Flacco and Bridgewater aren't both going to Miami.
If you follow the coaching dominoes with QBs, it wouldn't be shocking to see:
Tannehill - Cincy - Zac Taylor was with Tannehill in Miami the first 4 years of his career.
Andy Dalton - Washington - With Alex Smith's status very doubtful, Jay Gruden knows Dalton from their time together in Cincy
Miami - A true wildcard, they could go QB early, they could bring Bridgewater to his hometown, or they could bring in Foles, a guy Brian Flores saw perform very well in the SB.
Flacco - maybe he takes 1 year make good deal in Jacksonville? Like I said, the Jags cap situation is ugly, they may be forced into keeping Bortles and drafting a QB high.
Great feedback
I didn't know the connection to Tannehill with the new Bengal HC.
Jacksonville could be forced to either trade up ahead of the Giants or get 2nd QB drafted.
See 3 or maybe 4 in first round, Haskins, Lock, Jones with Murray the wildcard.
Foles may stay in Philly with all things considered and it's possible Bridgewater goes to Miami.
Could see Dalton in Washington and that leaves Flacco. Where does he go when all the cards are shuffled?
In any case to me a team coming up from behind us to get a QB is a very slight possibility.
Broncos, Redskins and Dolphins all have established QB's and I assume Jones and Murray will still be their when they draft.
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5 minutes ago, wppete said:
I like it. I would do that. But Dalton Risner over Jonah Williams?
Jonah Williams may be a high level guard at the NFL level, not built to play tackle. Risner has greater position flexibility.
5 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:Agreed
5 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:Agreed
250 points only on draft value chart
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4 minutes ago, Mark92 said:
Yeah you don't move out of the top 10 for 3rd and 4th rounders. A move from 9 to 14 would need at least a second rounder maybe 2.
The draft value chart shows the 9th pick at 1350 points, the 14th pick at 1100 points, Atlanta's choice in the 2nd round is worth 400 points. The Bills in a deep draft could do very well with 5 picks total in rounds 3 & 4 and could dangle some of them to move back up into the 2nd round
2 minutes ago, ctk232 said:The Denver scenario is what has me hopeful, but if Murray and Haskins go before 9 with no trade ups, are there any QBs left worth trading up with us before Denver? Even Denver might trade up if they feel the Giants or Jax will go for either, depending on how they come out of FA. It's an especially hard year to gauge that scenario just by the nature of the draft class, not that it's easy to do so any year, but given the QB class versus the class talent by position it's just that much hard to estimate.
I would love a trade back scenario as it would likely open the door for more offensive value to become BPA in the late first early second. But if there's a guy we value as BPA at 9 and don't get a better offer, look for Beane to go BPA.
As far as OP mentions with the starting line, I'm more and more willing to entertain Dawkins moving to the interior. I like the idea of Risner as well. I'm not sure D. Williams could seal the LT, but I'd imagine something along the lines of Williams/Dawkins/Paradis,Morse,Kalil/Teller/Risner. Wildcard FAs like Glowinski, JuWann James, or others come into play for a mix up. But assuming we're able to land 1-2 of the above, one of which capable of holding the left edge, I would really like to see what Dawkins can do from the interior as I think we've had Richie's replacement all along. Teller may develop into this role, but for now his ceiling is still unknown and development dependent.
There's a million ways to address the OL hypothetically, but FA will ultimately determine who stays and goes. But should we trade back, depending on with whom and what we get back, I could see Risner making his way over here and addressing a skill position with the next pick (WR/TE). But should they stay, I could see BPA value at DL.
Honestly one scenario I can see is a Dawkins move inside to guard. Then we would need two tackles in FA, still start Teller and draft Risner at play C with Bodine and Botteger as depth
TJ Hockenson & Hakeem Butler
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Teams who need help at TE
Patriots - Gronk leaving, Dwayne Allen being cut
Bengals - All 3 TE's could leave in FA
Jaguars - Dropping Austin-Sefarin-Jenkins
Titans - Delanie Walker 34 and coming off injury
Cowboys - Major need
Lions - Who is their TE anyways
Saints - Major need
Cardinals - if he's available at 33
Watch the 2018 highlights on YouTube of Hockenson and be prepared to be amazed and that's without the blocking clips