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We can agree to disagree on this one. I think Taylor's ability to run himself keeps defenses honest and makes it easier for whoever has the ball when he hands it off. You can say McCoy was just as effective with Philadelphia but look at what Karlos did last year and what Gillislee has done this year. Or else we have the best run blocking team in the NFL by far. One of those must be true.

But McCoy isn't McCoy without Taylor. Do you really think McCoy and Gillislee would be as effective if Charlie Whitehurst was the quarterback? This whole idea that "well anyone can just hand the ball to McCoy" is not reality. Taylor, for all his shortcomings as a passer, is capable of leading an effective offense. He's done it for two years now. While I wouldn't be averse to the idea of letting him go, I also wouldn't be against restructuring his contract a bit, getting him another legitimate receiving option and giving him one more season. I think it's a close call.

You're confident Matt Moore could go 15-13 over two seasons and lead a top ten scoring offense both years? I suppose he could.

I think they try and re-negotiate his contract and keep him. My opinion.

I understand the concept of "garbage time." But your intimation that the Bills being a top ten scoring offense each of the last two seasons has an asterisk because they have more or less garbage time than any other team is absurd. They sometimes put up garbage points. They sometimes give up garbage points. SO DOES EVERY TEAM IN FOOTBALL. There is nothing unique about the Bills that makes their rankings illegitimate relative to other teams. Do you understand what I am saying?

There has actually been some rare intelligent and non-argumentative back and forth between people who disagree in this thread, don't derail the whole thing. This is like dumbest point anyone can make. You sound like Biff from Tonawanda calling in on the post game show after a few too many pops.

This has been covered. A fairly reputable guy posted this on Twitter yesterday. If he was mistaken, I apologize. It sounds like they're ranked high enough in this category that it doesn't really change the point of the topic. Oh my God. Yeah we are the only team in football that ever plays bad teams and is behind sometimes. Everyone else's points count but some of ours don't. We are the outlier; we play in an abnormal number of these situations relative to every other team. Every year, we have an easy schedule and no one else does. It's crazy but you may be onto something.

A) I never said I was defending Taylor. B) Is your contention that defending Taylor is just as much a stretch as defending Manuel was a few years ago?

I said I don't care if they let Taylor walk. All I said is you can't suck and have a top ten scoring offense for two straight years. And then people say "run game" and I say yes, but Taylor is a big part- the biggest part- of what makes the run game so effective. EJ Manuel was and is done for as a starting NFL QB. Everyone knew it then, everyone knows it now. Clearly, Taylor is a more complex discussion. That is a false equivalency if there ever was one.

No not really.

There is a point to be made here folks and it's something I said a few weeks ago. I don't care if they cut ties with Taylor at this point, I really don't. But as much as he is a below average passer and too often misses open receivers downfield, he clearly runs an effective offense. You don't luck your way into being a top ten scoring offense for two straight years. And I know this is hard for some posters to understand but Taylor is a huge part of what makes the running game go. Anyone who thinks that any QB could just hand the ball off to our running backs and we'd have the best running game in the league just doesn't get it at all. I'll tell you all this right now- if the Bills let Taylor go, someone will pick him up thinking they can work on his passing and insert him as a game manager somewhere. He will start in the league again next year, whether it's here or not. He is undeniably a better and more effective quarterback overall than he looks as a passer.

In their losses- against the good teams, with the exception of the Baltimore game- they have scored 31, 25, 25, 25, 24 and 20 points.

Well as another poster mentioned, that's what Mike Clay said on Twitter. If they're sixth, I'm still impressed considering they have a nonfunctional quarterback, an offensive line that can't pass block and the whole right side sucks (according to poster in another thread I was arguing with today) and, according to me, easily the most depleted receiving corps in the league for the majority of the season. And according to your link, they were top ten last year too. So what do we derive from the fact that the Bills seem to be really good at scoring lots of points? You guys tell me.

Why do people keep drawing inferences from my post. I just thought it was an interesting statistic. And you could make the argument that the Saints should in fact blow it up. I will say this though. Taylor is last in the league in passing yardage. I got that. But there are more than a few quarterbacks in the league with more passing yardage that would've put up less points than Taylor has in this offense. And unlike a handful of posters on this site, I will take the points over the passing yardage.

Just imagine how many more points they'd have scored this year if Teddy Bridgewater was their quarterback. They'd be far and away the best offense in the league. I started this bad thread because I thought it was an interesting statistic. Would you have guessed that only two teams had scored more TD's than the Bills this season? And why are you so furious?

What is my argument? Your argument that the Bills are the only team in the league that gets to play against bad teams sometimes is a sound one though.

How much you score means nothing. Now I've heard it all. My guess is that historically, there is more of a correlation between success and scoring points than where you rank in passing yardage.

You can't lead the league in rushing yardage and yards per carry for two straight seasons and "suck."

have more offensive touchdowns than the Bills this season? Two. The Falcons and the Saints. Blow the whole thing up.

Correct. I live in Denver. The Broncos have had a consistently bad offensive line his entire time there. The Bills have a top 5-10 offensive line in football when healthy. I guess Whaley's a genius at finding OL talent and Elway is clueless. Same with running backs. But Elway is a genius when it comes to bringing in top 3 all time QB's, a talent that Whaley just doesn't have.

I'm not hesitant to call you what you are: a ridiculous poster.

Yup. Ravens, Titans and Texans all winning pretty much put us on life support. And all three shoulda/coulda lost.

Yeah and ya know what, if the Dolphins had to play the Jets the night Ryan Fitzpatrick decided to have the game of his life- and one of the better performances by any QB all season- they would've lost too. And if the Bills got to play the Jets in a game that actually mattered to them after the Jets had already mailed it in, we win that game too. Would I trade Rex Ryan for Adam Gase? Sure. But don't pretend these two teams are far apart somehow.

I love how the Dolphins have cracked the code and reached the promised land and we need to blow it up. You see that team out there we beat today? It took a comeback, a missed field goal and an overtime for the Dolphins to beat that team at home this season. The Bills have also scored more points and given up less than the Dolphins on the season. They're in the same ballpark, few breaks here and there, that's it.

Correct. And one of them has to be against Pittsburgh.