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This is obviously going to become an EJ thread but yeah, I agree 100%. I'm really tired of people saying, "the kid only had 14 games, that's not even a whole season." Show me a flash. Show me a reason to believe you're making progress. Like Austin Davis is doing. Complete a pass to a wide receiver more than five yards downfield who's not completely wide open. Yeah Derek Carr will probably go out and have a bad game this week and those same people will say, "see Derek Carr sucks too." But at least he flashed potential and gives Raiders fans a reason to believe there's a chance he could become a franchise QB. I have been watching football a long time and I think my verdict on EJ came in after that Houston game. At least a guy like Davis makes you say, "hmm OK let me see more." Cue the "but what about the Jets home game last year..." Guess what- Austin Davis, Orton, Fitz, Edwards, Losman all win that game going away. In fact Losman flashed WAY more in 2006 than Manuel ever has in his 14 games. But I digress.

So in other words, as a QB is familiarizing himself with an offense, it's easier for him to connect with less talented receivers first and then as he becomes more comfortable, he will start trusting his more talented receivers?

So to be clear, BillsFan-4-Ever, are you intimating that Kyle Orton the last two weeks has not played at a higher level than EJ Manuel had been playing? Does anyone else here believe this?

Agreed. He is an average NFL QB. Actually as a starter, he's below average. But do people not grasp that EJ Manuel was playing at a level not fit for the NFL? It's not like, "oh EJ Manuel was mediocre," EJ is not an NFL QB. Kyle Orton is. Period, end of story. Did anyone notice that Orton was actually throwing passes to WIDE RECEIVERS before they made their breaks yesterday? And good ones. That were caught. This is such a dumb argument.

Do people not understand the concept that Kyle Orton actually ATTEMPTS AND COMPLETES PASSES TO WIDE RECEIEVRS?

You really believe that huh? You really believe that Orton the last two games has played "only slightly" better than EJ did against San Diego and Houston? This board is getting stupider and stupider.

Oh my God in heaven.

Anyone who can't see that Kyle Orton is eons better than EJ Manuel has zero football acumen. And I mean zero. Honestly give me one thing he does worse other than avoid sacks. He actually attempts passes to wide receivers- and completes most of them. Sometimes even before the receiver makes their break. This team is in good hands with Orton. He is only going to get better as he gets more comfortable with the offense. The gap between Orton and Manuel is about as big as the gap between Aaron Rodgers and Orton. And that is not hyperbole, I sincerely mean that.

That's fair. All I said was I feel bad for anyone who thinks Long Way Down by the Goo Goo Dolls is a great song. That's all. If someone came on here and said, "man the Jacksonville Jaguars have a killer tailgate scene," would you maybe say, hey man you might wanna check out a Bills game sometime? Because the Goo Goo Dolls music is about as badass as a guy drinking an appletini at a Jaguars game out of the back of his Miata while eating a salad- and listening to the Goo Goo Dolls. But point taken.

If you really believe I like the album Blood on the Tracks because it's critically acclaimed, I'm not sure I have the energy to defend myself. I almost feel like you're trolling me at this point. Let's just let it go man. I like Dylan, you like the Goo Goo Dolls. It's cool. Go Bills.

Whoa. Not a joke at all. Coming Home, Take Me Back, The Last Mile, Gypsy freaking Road? One of the greatest 80's rock albums ever made.

Still not as bad as the Goo Goo Dolls. Sorry Buffalo.

Legitimate question- are you really asking me to enlighten you as to what real music is or are you saying, if this isn't real music then what is cause I'll be damned if this isn't real music. I couldn't be any more sincere. I really don't know what you're asking. The albums Beggars Banquet through Goats Head Soup by the Rolling Stones (five albums) are real music. The album Shotgun Willie by Willie Nelson is real music. The album Master of Puppets by Metallica is real music. The album Long Cold Winter by Cinderella is real music. The albums Use Your Illusion I & II by GnR is real music. The album Original Gangster by Ice T is real music. The album Rift by Phish is real music. The album Red Clay by Freddie Hubbard is real music. The album Walking Distance by Robert Earl Keen is real music. The album The album Low End Theory by Tribe Called Quest is real music. The album Hard To Earn by Gangstarr is real music. The album Revolution by Miranda Lambert is real music. The album Phantom Power by the T-Hip is real music. The first six Zeppelin albums are all real music. The album 'Round Midnight by Miles Davis is real music. The albums Infidels, Bringing It All Back Home, Blood on the Tracks, Desire and many, many more by Bob Dylan are certainly real music. In my humble (not really) opinion, A Boy Named Goo does not constitute what I would call real music. You? EDIT: I think that all I'm trying to say here is that I was right in line with the rest of you to make fun of Bon Jovi when he was in contention to purchase the Bills but the bottom line is that the lead singer for the Goo Goo Dolls is every last bit as cheesy as Bon Jovi and I appear to be one of very few people on here who is willing to admit that.

So wait, this guy grew up in California, went to school in Colorado and he has this preposterous accent? Is he in some sort of character? What am I missing here?

I don't know, Randell Johnson? There are plenty of guys they could deactivate and you would never know.

Offense: 1. Glenn, 2. Sammy, 3. FJ. Defense: 1. Dareus, 2. KW, 3. Mario. Overall: 1. Dareus, 2. KW, 3. Mario. Whoever voted for kiko needs to have their head examined. Top three on offense and defense are so close though. Tell ya what, those are six pretty sick f'n football players. Our defensive line is freaking insane.

I feel bad for anyone who thinks this is a great song. Like I actually feel kind of sad. This is the absolute epitome of watered down corporate pop rock. This isn't even like diet pepsi. It's like crystal pepsi. This is the Zima of rock. This is the type of song that a cover band would play at a summer employee appreciation picnic over lunch hour outside a giant office building where everyone is dressed business casual and has their badges on.

Dude I do not like Bon Jovi either. But give me a Goo Goo Dolls tune better than Bad Medicine. And I don't even like that song. Just saying Goo Goo Dolls are way soft.

Look I love Buffalo but I'll take the New Jersey album over any of the weak s**t that the Goo Goo Dolls have come out with over the years. Not that I like Bon Jovi either but New Jersey was one of the first tapes I ever bought and Lay Your Hands On Me is a good video. Goo Goo Dolls are wicked cheese.

Am I the only one who thought Napoleon dynamite was kinda dumb?

Geno Smith has absolutely flashed more and shown a greater upside than EJ Manuel. His issue is that he is a prone to making big mistakes. I would actually take that over EJ's phobia of attempting passes to wide receivers who aren't either within five yards of the line of scrimmage or wide open.

Hypothetical trade threads about trades that are absolutely never gonna happen are a favorite of mine.

Listen dude, you are like the last Pawnee in the scene in Dances With Wolves where they have him completely circled in the stream and let's out one final war whoop before he gets shot by about 30 Lakota at once. Then they scalp him. I'll give you this- why don't you tell everyone what the point is that you're trying to make?

I'm done with you dude. Why are you wasting all this energy insisting the Bills' defense isn't that good? Seriously, are you trolling everyone? Do you not watch the games? Do you know what a good defense looks like? Dude they have a good defense. I'm not sure anyone would argue that at this point, they're not one of the five best defenses in the league.

Yeah yesterday you BWAHAHA'd me (that didn't annoy me) for referring to the Bills as an elite defense (despite the Bills' elite ranking in overall defense, rushing defense, turnovers, sacks, 3rd down percentage, YPC allowed, et al) and then very specifically stated that none of those figures mattered and that all that matters is how many points we give up. In fact, you bolded the word POINTS. Well, after all the teams have now played this week, the Bills are 5th in POINTS allowed per game at 17.8. In fact, they would be ranked 2nd or 3rd if not for the 16 points our offense has given up. It is over for you in this thread. Please accept that the team you profess to be a fan of forever has a really good defense. Good night.