thewildrabbit

I agree One of the main reasons why Bill Cowher doesn't want to come to Buffalo is because the Bills don't have a great QB. Plus he would have to rebuild the entire offense starting from coaches, O line, playbook, game plan. Considering he is a defensive minded coach he would be forced to rely completely on whomever he hires. Do the Bills QB's suck as most posters here think? I would say no to that, they are all decent, just not great. Can the Bills win games with those 3, the answer is yes! "IF" they build the proper offense to help them win games and not force those young inexperienced QB's to make all the plays. All I'm saying is one or two O line players for this season would have made all the difference in the world. Had the Bills gotten a replacement for Peters in the draft or free agency instead of a DE with that first round pick it would have helped the entire offense immensely.

Your are correct I'm not a doctor, even the doctors with 2009 medicine still don't fully understand the aspects of any concussion. I was going by the reports that I read. Trent Edwards suffered a "severe' concussion in Arizona, while Big Ben suffered a more "mild" concussion. I'm am not a Trent apologist and my opinions are not forced, I'm a realist! I realize the Bills O line is the worst in the NFL and no QB could be successful over a season behind that line. In an earlier thread someone posted that Trent Edwards sucked from day one, I then stated I wondered how long it would be before Fitz looked like he sucked from day one http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?...amp;pid=1653323

I'm not denying this, in fact I agree with it to a point. But how many hits would it take before their season ends like Edwards did, on IR. Most posters here even predicted this would happen over the course of this season. Lets face it, the Bills have the 2nd worst offense in the NFL for several reasons. 1) rookie play caller, who got the job two weeks before the season started and had no time to go over the play book and prepare for the season. 2) one of the worst schemes in the NFL, both Schonert and AVP were handicapped with the Mike Martz offense that Steve Fairchild started them off with. 3) now the O line, only one player has managed to stay healthy and play the entire season and that is the center,Geoff Hangartner. 7 different combination's of linemen throughout the season, so many injuries to a line that started so many inexperienced linemen to start with. The entire line was retooled and not one starting player from last season was in the same position. Bottom line: While I'll admit that the center and guards this season were upgrades from last season, it is the tackle position which defined this years team! With no stable presence on either end the opponents DE's were able to rush the Bills QB's with ease, and cause constant pressure.With little time to throw on many occasions the Bills could not implement and sustain drives throughout games. If you know your QB is not as good as some of the top QBs' in the league, wouldn't it be wise to try and build the very best O line you can to help them overcome their limitations? Wouldn't you try and build a dominate running attack first to help the QB succeed by utilizing play action passing and only passing when it is to your advantage?

Ironic that you point out that the Chargers pass 470 attempts to 410 rush, it is because under Norv Turner they have become an unbalanced team and clearly pass more.Lets see how that team fairs if they need to go to a cold weather stadium and play in the snow and cold. Ben Rothlisberger suffered a concussion this season, which was not as great as the one Trent Edwards suffered last season in Arizona, with a poor line and getting sacked often it is only a matter of time before he gets knocked out like Brady or suffers a career ending injury, or needs to retire from reoccurring concussions. Both the Eagles and Cowboys have two of the best O lines in the NFL this year,The Cowboys is stated to have the biggest and best. Ironic? Howabout Arron Rodgers, who like Phillip Rivers also had improved play as the result of his starting left tackle returning, Mark Tauscher. If you honestly believe that any of those QB's you mentioned could step in behind Buffalo's O line, with Buffalo's play calling and offensive scheme and be as successful as they currently are simply because they are really good QB's... What is undeniable is you have 15watts

C'mon, how can you compare a QB who has played in the same offense for 10+ years, calls his own plays and is the premier QB in the league... to a rookie who has no starts,no experience, and most likely took very little reps, and is still learning that offense? Of course he would make the line look bad, he doesn't know what he is doing. Payton Manning is the least sacked QB in the league with only 12 sacks allowed, it has a lot to do with the QB's playing experience. The Colts are currently fielding the best O line in the league because of the continuity of the O line playing together as a unit, as well as Payton Manning and his abilities, it is called teamwork. The Bills QB's don't stand a chance to be successful behind the worst O line in the league, no matter how good Payton Manning is, he wouldn't be as good as he is behind the Bills O line. Like the Bills QB's, it would only be a matter of time before those hits and sacks took their toll.

What a lot of posters fail to realize is that without even a decent O line there is no running game, which means play action passing won't work. With no decent running game it all falls to the QB to make plays. It is only a matter of time before any QB will get injured behind a poor O line. Take a look at big ben this season and his concussion, as good as he is, he can't win games sitting on the sidelines. Plus the acumulative effect of all the hits that some QB's endure. Look at the Bills this season, only 46 QB sacks but they have had to endure 102 hits, second most in the NFL this year. Now think of how many more sacks and hits would be recorded if Edwards actually tried to complete more down field passes instead of dumping the ball off.

When then do so many retire to Florida if the weather is so bad in the summer? Buffalo catches the wind off the lake and is particularly notorious for bad weather and snow, not so horrid if your used to it I suppose. Another poster stated that Buffalo is the armpit of all the NFL cities, I have a lower opinion anatomically. Face it, its a tougher sell to bring in free agents and coaches into Buffalo because of the things I mentioned. On the upside, the Bills have some of the greatest fans in the NFL, some of the most dedicated hardcore football fans ever, every game this season a sell out with no blackouts. Quite a feat considering how small a market Buffalo is, and their record over the last 10 years.

Don't get angry, some only have 25 watts

To all the posters who are a few watts shy of a 150 watt bulb From PFW Better pass protection keys Chargers' turnaround Part of the reason for the Chargers' recent turnaround and winning streak has been their ability to keep QB Philip Rivers from being hit. After he was abused early on, taking 15 sacks in the first five games, Rivers has been kept much cleaner during the club's last three contests, getting sacked only three times. We hear that better blocking from the running backs and improved play from C Scott Mruczkowski are largely responsible http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/11/1...gers-turnaround

The fans wanted Fairchild gone and really never gave the guy a chance to build a potent offense,same thing happened with Dan Henning who Marv brought in. I almost get the sense someone besides RW was paying Jauron to screw this team over and lose. What kind of retard who knows very little about running an offense himself, promotes a QB coach to OC to call plays and then lets him run the entire offense, then he does it again after he fires the first guy two weeks before the season opener? The O line coach retires so he promotes an assistant who failed miserably his first year, then completely rebuilds the entire O line at every position. I rest my case. If I were RW I wouldn't pay that imbecile Jauron another penny, I'd pull an Al Davis on his azz

Disagree with that statement... The weather stinks... jobs and people leaving upstate NY in doves...high taxes... old stadium... older owner, who is notoriously cheap... play in bad weather outside near the end of the season. The old owner Bill Bidwell used to actually sit in on every player that was signed to HIS team. He has retired, and now lets his sons run the team. They made the choice to hire the chin 2 and finally pay the players that deserve it, and the result is a winning org.

keep dreaming, he comes to cheap

someone goes postal?

I tend to agree with Ice on this one, season ticket holders have been screwed over by this owner for decades. The ONLY big name head coach ever hired by this frachise was Chuck Knox, and that was after 10 straight years of losing to Miami and the "Don". Have the Bills lost to the Patriots 10 years straight yet? How soon a new head coach is named depends on how much smoke can be blown up our collective butts by this front office...doubt it will be Bill Cowher or anyone else requiring big money. Remember, this franchise still owes DJ another 3 yrs at 3.5 mil per. THEN they hire another head coach and pay him 10 mil per. Only two ways that happens... no way, and no way in hell

Just stated by Michael Lombardi on NFL network during the "around the league" show. Cowher would prefer to go to a team with an established QB... it was noted because it took him so long to find big ben. Now if that is the case it will narrow his search a great deal, he would rather stay in broadcasting another year. I don't see him coming to Buffalo now having to rebuild the entire offense,O coordinator,O line and coach, plus players.This team looked a whole lot better before jauron tore apart the entire O line.

STOP TEASING ME!!! With this talk of hiring Bill Cowher, to me he is with out a doubt the best of all choices for the head coach position. The Bills still need a viable president instead of the owner, Ozzie Newsome would be a great choice, or they still need a viable GM if they don't hire Oz Cohwer would do what we all thought Jauron was going to do, build a great defense and power running attack, my kinda team.

I see St Louis, Washington and Seattle all looking for a QB with their #1 IMO If the Bills select a QB without upgrading the left tackle position in the off season or draft, then you can expect him to start strong and regress just like every other QB the Bills have ruined. I'm more concerned with who the Bills hire as GM or president rather then the draft, because if this is the same front office staff doing the drafting, you can expect more Maybins. Players that "might" be good in 2-3 years.

Another poster that thinks super star QB's can get it done behind any O line... The Colts have allowed the least sacks of any team in the NFL (12), just remember this fact when they play a team that gets to Manning and causes him to hurry throws, hits him often enough to cause INT's. Everyone thinks that because Rothlisberger and Rodgers take a bunch of sacks they play behind inferior O lines, not true. Both those O lines are 10x better then the Bills, in experience and talent. The NFL network did a special on those two QB's and showed they hold on to the ball to long and wait for a receiver to get open, that is when they most often get sacked, they cause most of their own problems. Rodgers play improved dramatically once the starting Left O tackle returned from an injury. This season is marked by Big Ben getting a concussion and the Steeler's losing games because he is on the sidelines. This Buffalo Bills team has allowed 102 QB hits and 46 sacks, I would think that sack total would be higher if someone other then (whom the fans here lovingly call) "captain checkdown" played QB most of the season. Those stats put this Bills O line as the #2nd worst line in the NFL.

What Darth failed to say was the Bills don't need a Matt Millen type... This team is in desperate need of a QUALIFIED talent evaluator of players BEFORE they are drafted and on the field playing well. Might as well hire Mort for all the good either would do this franchise. Floyd Reese, Michael Lombardi or Charlie Casserly are all available and can judge talent better then Jaws, mort or any current Bills personnel. If I had to pick a new staff, I'd start by hiring Ozzie Newsome away from the Baltimore Ravens, and make him the new president. Give him a piece of the team if need be to get him into Buffalo. Then let oz pick the GM, head coach and coordinators. I'd bet this team would be in the playoffs next year and contending for a super bowl every year after that.

This whole offense was screwed from the start, the OC should have been replaced in the off season with an experienced coordinator. How does Jauron keep that moron Schonert after the play calling last season, Jets and 49ers games come to my mind first. I happen to think the entire season rests on the shoulders of the offensive line, the better they play, the better the entire offense does in both running and passing. Play action pass plays only work if a team can actually run the ball effectively, which the Bills couldn't open holes very well at all, I think Fred Jackson did most of the ground game on his own. Even in max protection packages the line couldn't sustain a block without holding, both tackle positions were particularly bad all season. Every QB the Bills put behind that crappy line would be running for his life at some point, most saw this in the preseason. No QB in the league could make that line look good.

Dick Jauron is the biggest moron this franchise has ever seen as head coach and it showed almost everywhere he made a choice. The O line was horrid last season in the middle, Kris Jenkins tore the guards and center a new one every time they tried to triple team him. Who thought those three could get the job done in the first place tho? So he was correcting mistakes he made earlier. The O line coach Jim McNally retires and Jauron promotes an assistant to be O line coach. Now the high priced linemen come to camp fat and overweight and their not held responsible for their conditioning? Seems to me the line has regressed under the new line coach and nobody notices this, so they just find excuses to cut and trade decent players. I say almost about Jauron because he did manage to find a center in free agency and a guard in the draft. But then most other teams don't spend 1st and 2nd round draft picks on guards, they usually can find decent guards in the later rounds, 1st-2nd round picks are for drafting tackles.

You can blame the OC all you want, is it his fault that even with max protection plays the O line can't block anyone! AVP did pretty well considering what he had to deal with all season, blame jauron for this mess of a team. If Jauron / FO doesn't blow up the entire O line they might have been way better in running and passing. I give a huge amount of credit to Fred Jackson for running as well as he did considering the lines he played behind this season.

I'd rather see someone younger as GM, someone not already retired. Charlie Cassrely or Michael Lombardi would be way better then what the Bills currently have. Both have stated that you need a great O line to start to build a great team, that is enough for me.

I'll agree with that statement. To bad so many on this board think that Payton Manning or other great QBs can do it without a decent O line.

Most of you seem to think the Bills are very close to the St Louis Rams or the Detroit Lions in terms of talent and players, they are ahead of those teams talent wise in skill positions. It is the O line that screwed this years team. Had the front office and Dick Jauron drafted a replacement for Jason Peters instead of wasting that pick on Maybin, the entire season could be different. Look at what Michael Oher has done for Baltimore, or Loadholt who is also starting. Yes injuries were a part of the season, but you gotta know that starting so many new players and rookies on the offensive line was a huge mistake. Had the Bills brought in Levi Jones as a free agent and played him the O line would have been much better. Had they kept Dockery, Walker or Peters the line would have performed better and the team would have been able to run and pass more effectively. Most of the fans were complaining before the season even started that the line was an obvious weakness. During the off season the NFL analysts were all stating a strong concern about the O line.It seems everyone except the front office and coaches knew it was going to be a rough year for Buffalo Bills QB's.