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the patriots do that.................

Its very much entertainment. The NFL is not like other businesses, there is no NFL without the product, the players are the product. Why do primetime matchups on TV have commericals touting elite players?? because no one cares? because these guys are interchangeable parts? Why do players get huge endorsement deals? because he can be replaced with a scrub from college? no, bc they are the very best at what they do and fans will shell out $$ to see that player. The NFL isnt losing money, and the players arent asking for more money. The owners are.

Those are two different animals. Someone would gladly purchase the Bills its whether or not to keep them here. A new owner may want to move the team to make MORE money on the investment. There is virtually no risk in buying an NFL franchise, No one has ever gone bankrupt owning a team. The comparison to other investments isnt a true one and is more of a strawman argument. Other low risk investments offer less in return. The owners wont turn over financials because inevitably it would become public and piss off the fans. Btw, the info would be disclosed so you would know how much teams were making but the identities would be withheld. If you honestly think they could just replace the top talent in the world you are mistaken. Does anyone want to see the two worst teams in the league that lack star talent? no the ticket sales and tv ratings show that. You cannot compare it to the college game either, its a different game and a different fan.

Under the current deal the owners get 1 billion for stadiums etc, you know stadiums that are financed by us the taxpayers. Even Jerry Jones took public money and taxes were raised around dallas. There is virtually no risk involved with owning an NFL franchise. Its a profit machine. and its employees cant be compared to anything else. you say screw the players but without them you have no product and cant make money.

The players want rookie money shifted to retirements. They arent asking for more of the pie either. Not sure how you think that even if they did it would necessarily mean higher caps.

Says a lot about you as a person when you wish physical harm on a 20 year old kid caught up in 9 billion dollar fight.

First, no one is calling him a LT, his footwork in pass protection isnt good, hence he's being looked at as RT and as a G. Yes a Gaurd, read up. Wisc. newpapers held a Q&A with him and people are asking about him being a gaurd. Additonally there are other scouting sites, including NFL.com that say he needs footwork help. Most likely he will start at G and then determine if he can play RT. In any event he's not someone you take in the top 10 esp not the Bills.

i saw some stuff that Carimi projects as a RG not a RT.

I'm not blind but i have conducted high stakes negotiations will tons o money on the table. I'm certainly not blind to the issues surrounding these types of negotiations nor the NFL issues. Sure Judge Doty has been great for the players, but other judges have been unfriendly to the NFL as well. You see us Americans, including judges, have been kind to sports monopolies as long as they play by certain rules. The NFL will likely have to give up some of the info during discovery they are withholding. The PA was asking for specific financial information, the NFL gave them other stuff and told the media they handed over financials. You see the problem here is that you and others are blaming the players for bad faith. The owners broke the current deal, as they had a contractual right to do, and now are asking for more money. The ultimate play will be to hand over some of the info the PA wants, back them into a corner, and win the day. The owners will have to show their cards or take far less than they were asking for.

Even the NYT concedes it? Its not hard to see how your political beliefs are getting in the way of your analysis. The players were happy with the previous deal, the owners werent and claimed they werent making enough $$. So the players said sure show us some proof and we will work something out. A sham? man you are way off. The players and owners were working towards a deal. Its quite a stretch to call out the players and blindly defend the owners when they are trying nothing more than a money grab. If its not, show some financials showing otherwise, make the players look foolish. Its telling that this is not happening. Before anyone starts with the "i cant do that at my job" meme, no you cant and you arent part of a select group generating $9 Billion a year either. Its not the same.

Well said. Its amazing how people who obviously have not been following the situation or cant grasp the issues are continuing to spout nonsense on here about the issues regarding the lockout.

Yea i've seen this argument tossed around this board too many times. Good go ask him, you are easily replaced. HOF players like Peyton Manning who help the league generate billions in revenue arent easily replaced. So the two really arent the same. The players are a unique product. You are not, neither am I. Thats the difference.

True. The offense was a mess too and is a huge hole. For as bad as the Bills D was the Offense still had the ball 28 mins a game. for comparison, the Pats o had the ball 29 mins a game. The Texans had the ball one min more and scored 100 more points. The Lions, Redskins, Redskins Bears, all had the ball one min more per game than the Bills offense and put up more points. 4 out of the 6 teams who had the ball less, scored more. So you cant say the Bills D prevented the offense from succeeding. The Bills have needs everywhere and theres virtually no position that cant be upgraded.

They arent using the old school steroids anymore anyway. HGH and designer cocktails are the big thing. They arent picked up in the screening and the league knows it. It really is just a charade to keep everyone off their backs.

They actually will see that money which is why they are fighting to keep it. Your point about the increase isnt right, since player who signed contracts after the CBA did benefit and did see that money. If the whole thing was as you say, moot bc they will never see the money, there wouldnt be much of an argument would there?

Did you read the articles i posted? Your post doesnt necessarily make sense since under the old CBA there was a total cap, so everyone couldnt keep escalating out of control based on rookie contracts. Both sides wants to cap rookies and reallocate that money to vets and retirees. THe issue is the type and amount of the cap for rookies and of course the overall piece of the pie that goes to the players.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/other_nfl/view.bg?articleid=1319424 http://news-herald.com/articles/2011/03/01/sports/nh3708950.txt?viewmode=fullstory http://www.businessinsider.com/nflpa-not-happy-with-nfls-rookie-wage-scale-proposal-2011-2 Here are some articles showing the NFLPA is negotiating the issue. In fact the last article explains Smith's counter [b]wage scale proposal.[/b] Is that what you call staunch?

FYI, the players and owners agree on the rookie wage issue. No one wants rookies to take maybin contracts anymore.

care to explain?

YEa thats a great quote by Burke..... but means nothing in your analysis. 10 first round picks? yea thats likely to happen. And does everyone really think that trade offers only happen once the Bills are on the clock???? How do you know Nix wasnt fielding offers up until his pick, didnt like them, and said CJ is and has been our guy so were taking him. I think its asinine we are criticizing the team for making a pick too quickly. Just like the false belief that combine performances will change a player's draft slot exponentially.

The patriots have done this with great success.

Fitz also threw the same amount of picks and played less. Fitz's TDs are a great stat, he tied with david Garrard!!! but its the only one that isnt mediocre really. He's 27 out of 30 in comp %, threw the same amount of picks as a rookie and INT machine Cutler, Cute. I'm not anti-fitz. You agreed with the poster that Fitz will be better in two years than anyone we may draft this year. And its not all about numbers. Would you say Fitz had a better year than Sanchez? Fitz won four friggin games. Bradford btw won 6. as a rookie on a bad team with a bad defense. Fitz is fine until we find a long term solution. Im not sold that solution is in this draft.

He wont, they go off the tapes from his games. Bill Polian, one of the most respected men in the game does exactly that. The combine is really to get to know a guy. Mock drafts that say a guy is rocketing up a board bc of his combine performance are wrong.

Certainly you dont mean the part that Fitz is better two years from now. He was argubly not even better than bradford this year and he was a rookie. The legend of Fitz grows.

Yes it does happen with the #2 or #3 QB in a given draft. Leinart was that guy. But your memory may be a little off, ESPN had him in the #7 spot and many other had him at least that high. The problem with all these mocks is that they are written by people with no knowledge of a team's grades on a player. They also put far too much emphasis on the Combine, especially when several top GM's have said it does not sway them very much. Nobody really skyrockets up draft boards or leaps rounds. It's a cottage industry and this fakeness is drummed up by these sites to keep NFL hungry fans clicking. The tapes of the guys playing actual football is what counts the most no matter how many times he can bench or how fast he can run. you think cam is taken after mallett?