Thurman#1

All that is certainly possible. Most likely not so with Diggs not being here in 2025, but yeah, possible. WR in round 1 also possible. It'll depend how the draft falls, as it always does.

Good for him. Best of luck to you, Nate, except when you play the Bills.

There is indeed a lot of subjectivity in my posts. Yours too, of course. But certainly in mine also. "KC did have a WR problem," you say? Well, this is both very subjective and very arguable. If the Super Bowl winners have that kind of a problem, I don't mind having that kind of problem. More reasonably, though, is that KC didn't have a problem anymore than we do. I might have gone there until Rashee Rice developed so quickly. He's a solid decent guy. Like the Bills, they certainly have one of the better pass catchers in the league, in Diggs and in Kelce. As for, "given that we have Josh Allen ... we should consistently be in the top three in both," that is pretty much the definition of subjective. The fact is that even with elite QBs a lot don't make the top three in both in any given year than do. Mahomes last year was 6th and 8th, and his team won the Super Bowl. The year before, Mahomes was 1st and 1st and they did NOT won the Super Bowl. The year before, 2021, Mahomes was 4th and 4th and they DID NOT win the Super Bowl. The year before, 2020, 2nd and 4th and they DID win. The year before, 10th and 9th. The year before that 2nd and 1st and they did NOT win. EDIT: I apologize for leaving in the middle of my editing. I left several sentences unfinished and a factual mistake also when I took off for work. Sorry about that. Meant to leave it unposted and finish it later. After returning, I think I've fixed it all. He's been in the league six years and was in the top three in both yards and TDs only two times. Of their THREE Super Bowl wins, Mahomes was in the top in both categories only of those times. You don't win Super Bowls by having the best receiver groups or by being top three in passing yards and TDs. You win Super Bowls by being the best team. Another example: In Brady's last ten years in New England, (five Super Bowls, including three wins) he looks like that: 2019 7th and 13th No Super Bowl 2018 7th and 10th Lombardi winner 2017 1st and 3rd Super Bowl loss 2016 20th and 9th Lombardi winner 2015 3rd and 1st No Super Bowl 2014 10th and 6th Lombardi winner 2013 6th and 11th No Super Bowl 2012 4th and 4th No Super Bowl 2011 2nd and 4th No Super Bowl 2010 8th and 1st Super Bowl loss So Brady, arguably the GOAT and certainly on one of the greatest dynasties of all time, managed to be in the top three of both of those measures two times out of his last ten years in New England. And in neither of those two years did they win a Lombardi, despite three championships during that span. Expecting Allen to "consistently be in the to three in both" measures is both unreasonable and ultimately beside the point. Again, Super Bowls aren't won by having a QB be in the top three in both yards and TDs. They are won by having a really good team.

I think this is fair, but IMO, that fans are not "satisfied with our WRs as an entire unit" is more of a comment on the nature of fans than it is on the WRs. People wouldn't be fully happy till you're like Cincy with Higgins and Chase. And in reality very very few teams manage to get two guys like that. And I'm not sure that's the consensus about Diggs. I'd argue that the consensus is that he MAY have lost a step, or it may have been something else, and that we'll have to see. Is it worthy of criticism that he hasn't drafted a day 1 or 2 WR? No. Particularly when they used one of their first rounders to trade for Diggs, and that another 1st rounder went last year to a guy who looks like a terrific pass catcher, Kincaid, no. I certainly don't think so. If their WR situation absolutely sucked, then that would be a far worse indicator. But we don't suck. We're pretty good but not excellent. Under those circumstances, situations and environments might easily produce better possibilities for improving the team. By the way, Tompsett on Cover1 just said that Matt Harmon on twitter just put out a very good tweet w/ a great review on the Curtis Samuel pickup. If you're on twitter (I'm not), might be worth a look.

We don't have a problem at WR, especially now. We have a chance to raise production if we can somehow bring in another #1. But we don't have a problem, not with Allen throwing to Diggs, a second-year Kincaid and the two new additions. We were 4th in passing yards and 7th in passing TDs. That's not a problem. Certainly there's room for improvement, no question, and in fact most of us do think they're likely to go WR very early in the draft. Our pass catchers were as good as KC's last year. Did they have "a problem"? We don't either. Gabe's loss has probably been just about made up for with the new FAs, IMO. The Bills teams with Beasley and Sanders and Brown, the guys you're referring to as "support type WRs", had terrific passing attacks. If we win the coin flip in the 13 seconds game, we'd've won it. They weren't stopping us. Samuel's a good signing, not a decent one. He had Beasley / Sanders / Brown type production with crap QBs throwing to him, playing across from McLaurin and Jahan Dotson. Gotta admit, I hadn't realized he'd run a 4.31 40. The guy can fly. Very much agreed we fans don't change things. We'll see what actually happens down the road. Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it.

How many of the guys who've come through here have managed 600+ and four TDs? Barring the ones who we all feel were successful for at least a season or two, John Brown, Cole Beasley and Emmanuel Sanders, I can't think of any. IMO we've now seen our big FA receivers for this year. But I still expect a WR in the first or second round. Maaaaaaaaaybe a third, but probably first two. That's my guess.

Nah. Grounds for dismissal would be focusing on only one position in round one.

Yeah, a good guy to have on the team. Always did a bit better than I thought he would.

Yeah, people who get worked up about that are hard to understand. Considering the thread's title, I think he was being sarcastic. I could be wrong.

Cost is likely to make the other necessary sacrifices too prohibitive. You never know how much a guy that age will get, but it's just not likely.

Cousins is absolutely special. Not elite. But probably top ten. He's special. They could come out of this looking just awful. But they made their bed by giving him that awful contract they originally made with him. So having the best receiver in football means you'll be alright? It really doesn't. Let me tell you a story about a guy named Calvin Johnson ...

We didn't trade away Jefferson. We traded away a draft pick. If we'd been at that draft slot the draft could easily have gone differently. Someone could have traded ahead of us for Jefferson. There's no way to know. There was never anything to feel bad about. Wistful, maybe. Both sides won.

Good luck to him except when he plays Buffalo.

You attempting to get into telepathy?

They'll bring back a bunch more, as they should. They'll need them. Spotrac has them with 54 guys on the roster right now, including such stalwarts as: Tommy Doyle, Damar, Tre McKitty, Darrynton Evans, KJ Hamler, Shane Buechele, Kyron Brown, Andy Isabella, Kameron Cline, Ryan Van Demark, Alec Anderson, Ja'Marcus Ingram, Justin Shorter, Zach Davidson, Richard Gouraige, Kevin Jarvis, Tyrell Shavers, Bryan Thompson, and Kendall Williamson. And they haven't even removed Tre White from the roster yet. And that also includes two punters. Even with draft picks and a few more outside FAs, we'll need some returnees, even with the fresh young faces.

Ah, good stuff!!! Welcome back!

I think Taron is up there right now. Otherwise this is pretty on-target. My guess is we'll see Diggs up there again next year. The Bills have put together a really good roster across the board. No weaknesses till the defensive injuries started happening. You can win SBs that way if one of your elite guys is your QB. Add from outside? Possible. You never know. But guys like Oliver, Torrence and Kincaid could very possibly move up to that tier. And Diggs could get back to closer to his usual level and do the same.

9th by AAV among QBs. That's reasonable for Cousins. Not that bad for the Falcons, IMO. The contract details are always important, but I don't think Atlanta got fleeced for Cousins the way the Vikes did with their original all-guaranteed contract for him.

It's nothing new. He's asked guys for paycuts, and gotten many to do it, in previous years.

Yes, Wood was injured trying to block a bigger guy in his 2016 break, but his ankle was rolled up on from the side, and collapsed. That was the main factor. In his 2009 injury he was downfield moving, not anchoring, and the knee was hit from the side. 2016: https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2016/11/7/13559966/eric-wood-leaves-game-with-ankle-injury-on-bills-td (scroll down a bit, you'll find the video). 2009: just go to youtube and search wood broken leg. You'll find it many times. As for wanting a bigger guy, I don't see McDermott as significantly tougher or better at anchoring. He's an athletic type like Morse. They could bring someone else in, but my guess is they will end up with the same type.

Dunno what he thinks about the Jags, but yeah, he thinks we got worse. We know that because right now we're planning on McDermott at C and Edwards at LG. We had those guys on the team last year. Yet we started Morse at C, McDermott at LG and Edwards as 6th man on 148 plays. So yeah, he thinks we got at least a bit worse. We'll have to see how it all works out.

$7M guaranteed for what could well end up being a one-year contract. And they are signing him at 32 while we signed him at 30. They'd have loved to have kept him but didn't want to deal with the cap problems it would have entailed. Anyway, good for Mitch. A great guy. We're not as good on the field without him.

I don't know about "much" better. I still have to see how it works out. But there's a chance it works out that way, I think. My bet would be something more on the order of significantly better and probably won't seriously compete for a title but maybe will win a playoff game or maybe even two if things go well.

So ....? Why are you replying to me? This doesn't have any direct logical link to what I said in my post. I think it's all reasonably on target as far as teams and needs. A few are arguable, but overall OK. But how does this all relate to what I said? Most of those teams need a QB. Doesn't mean they'd want Wilson. Yes, a lot of teams might have been in the Wilson market. After the draft and FA most of them would have committed to someone. Certainly no guarantee that a better opportunity than Pittsburgh would be out there. Probably most, maybe all would at least have looked at him. Plenty of them might have decided not to take him for the reasons I suggested. You said every team. And that's wrong. I'm not at all sure how many would have been willing to commit. And the team would have made many to most of their offseason personnel moves without knowing Wilson would be on the roster and therefore might easily have made moves that would hurt them in terms of having greatly reduced cap room and no draft picks left to make after knowing Wilson will be on board. Pittsburgh can make all their moves now knowing he's their QB and do a much better job of fitting a team around him.

There are plenty of teams that wouldn't give him that contract. Some because they don't want competition for the young guy they are grooming. Others just don't need the possible publicity problems. Nearly any team would think $1.5M is good value for Wilson but plenty might think Wilson isn't a good fit with their offense. We might think Wilson wouldn't be wholly committed in a backup role. Might not want him in the locker room. More, Wilson doesn't want a situation where he's slotted in as a backup. After the draft and FA, more teams will have committed to another guy as starter. Even more, Pittsburgh isn't going to spend any other significant resources on QB now. Because they have Wilson. The fact that they don't spend more resources on QB gives them a chance to be better this year if he works out. If Wilson had not signed there, Pittsburgh would very possibly have committed more resources to QB, perhaps even a first round QB, possibly even a trade-up. At that point even if they later signed Wilson the team would have less resources to put around him this year. And less inclination to bring Wilson in. You could definitely be right that after the draft there'll be a team that at that time looks like it will need Wilson. No reason to think it would definitely be a better fit than the Steelers though. It might be better or it might be worse. There's a very decent chance this will turn out to have been his best move, even in hindsight. It's also possible it will look bad. IMO this was a reasonable move for him. He also gets some certainty early and more time to learn the playbook and get to know what he's getting into.