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I agree, however, either way, I get turned off with an artist when they use their platform for their political beliefs. It seems as though every musical artist is almost required to do that nowadays. Whatever happened to just good ole rock n roll like from the 70s and 80s?
I'm harsh on Bruce because he had potential, and I liked him quite a bit. He made great music, at one time. But now he is "Bruce", "The Boss" and has an onstage persona and a political agenda. Music is far, far down the list of things that are important to Mr. Springsteen. At least that's the way it appears to me.One last thing. I want to note that political activism is really not a reason to dislike a musician, IMO, if you really like the music, otherwise. I actually probably agree with much of Springsteen's beliefs. But to me it doesn't add to the music, at all. Some are fans of artists BECAUSE of the politics/attitude/appearance/etc of the artists. That's equally stupid, IMO. It's all about the music.
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Cussed? Are you 11, and from the deep south during the 1940s?
Newsflash: There's ignorant rednecks in the North as much as in the South.
HTH!
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Yeah..it says he had the help of a #1 defense and a pack of Hall of Fame players
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OMG, you are so wrong about that you idiot.
Idiot? Where'd you go to school? Bayside High?
Try cretin or simpleton.
BTW, Did you know?
an idiot is a stupid person with a mental age below three years, while a moron is a stupid person with a mental age of between seven to twelve yearsSource:
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Props to Lori on The Wire!
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I think we've all made our points and we just keep re-making them with different facts. And I think this thread is continuing just for the sake of arguing and slow news period.
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1) He was a divisive little prick. If he was so divisive why did the team go 22-11 with him as the starter (Johnson 7-10 with the same team)? His critics are acting as if they were in the locker room witnessing first hand his "divisiveness"...as if these critics had somehow been personally insulted by Flutie. I truly don't get it.
2) I'm turned off by all the Flutie Lovers. So to the many people who were excited to make the playoffs two seasons in a row (and it likely would have been three seasons if Flutie had been the full time starter in 2000), who witnessed the turnaround of the Bills fortunes immediately after he stepped into the lineup in 1998, who believe he saved the franchise, and were happy for the success of the Buffalo Bills, we Flutie backers were so obnoxious in our joy and happiness that you decided that you wanted to hate the man himself?
1. I'd take a little fiery-ness in the locker room today if it brought us some wins. Sometimes you need your own teammate to slap you in the face.
2. Just because someone thinks Flutie was the option on our roster and was better than RJ, doesn't mean they are his lover.
All this Flutie bitterness seems to come from deep emotions of the opposers.
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Where is all this divisive player information on Flutie coming from? Rumors? Word of mouth? Hearsay? Comparing him to T.O.? Oh brother....
The same people trying to say Flutie led us to the playoffs in 99 are the ones saying Dilfer had little or no effect on the Ravens winning it all. A 12-year old would notice that I was just pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards that Flutie's worshipers are guilty of. Neither one of them was a big factor in their team's success...although Dilfer was actually more of a factor than the midget...because he wasn't playing like an idiot.As far as bringing up the 98 season, you should try re-reading everyone's posts. People aren't, for the most part, denigrating what Flutie did in 98 (except his choke job in the playoffs), but in 99. He actually contributed a lot to the team winning in 98...but in 99, the defense had to carry the load. We couldn't even rely on Thurman after that short little !@#$ got him injured at the beginning of the season.
Oh brother!
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I don't watch Lost, but I have a personal rule about jumping in late on serials. I wish I'd watched it from the start. I'll probably pick it up on DVD at some point. Same with the first couple seasons of 24.
Top five shows:
1. Simpsons
2. Deadwood
3. Sopranos (you know you write about football when your urge is to type "Sparanos")
4. The Office
5. Police Squad
What do you think happened to Tony in the end? Did he get hit?
I strongly advise getting the LOST series!
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no kidding...keeps bringing up Flutie's "record" as a starter but when it comes to a QB who had a better "record", he won't give him the same credit
talk about having your face in Flutie's crotch
You were the ones saying that Flutie had no credible influence on the team making the playoffs.
it's a team game and he wasn't the reason we made it in 1999 by any stretch of the imaginationI'm just saying that's an asinine statement. And yes, Trent Dilfer was a journeyman quarterback who didn't have great mobility or improvisation skills, but had good managing skills and could make that one play that they needed.
But if you want to talk about defenses carrying the team, Baltimore's defense during that team era did TONS more scoring their offense did. Dilfer only completed 48% of his passes in that Super Bowl and was sacked nearly 4 times. Talk about defense carrying the team. Maybe if you dropped the Jills obsession for a few minutes you could see that.
So now Doug Flutie is better than Trent Dilfer huh? The same Trent Dilfer who went 7-1 as a starter for the Ravens, led them to 3 straight playoff wins and a Superbowl championship? That Trent Dilfer? And you say I'm biased.Trent's completion percentage in those playoffs that led to the Super Bowl:
@ Ten = 31.3%
@ Oak = 50.0%
@ New York = 48.0%
I'm not saying completion percentage determines the whole outcome, but obviously those are low and for them to win something else was a factor (Answer: Ray Lewis and Co.).
And furthermore, if you re-read my posts, I'm not ga-ga over Flutie, I'm just saying to dismiss his influence on making the playoffs in any fashion is insane and ignorant. And I'm also saying that just because RJ had the team winning in the first quarter against any team in 98 before he got his brain smashed doesn't mean s**t and it's a worthless point that some people are ignorantly making. I'd much prefer to watch a 5'10 quarterback with a chip on his shoulder than a wanna-be gangsta surfing kid who broke the NFL sack record at the time FOR A QB. Call me crazy.
To top that off, the Bills didn't have a #1 defense til the 1999 season, not 98, but either way it was nowhere near Baltimore's defense in 2000.
Hope this helps!
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What part of "team" don't you get?
Suites and tickets were sold because the "team" won. Flutie just happened to be the QB.
Why is it so hard to grasp that if the "team" had won without Flutie, the Bills still would have sold the suites, etc ...?
It is the most basic concept of football capitalism: win games, sell tickets.
A. The "team" was NOT winning when Flutie was NOT the quarterback. Note: A 3 point lead in the 1st quarter before RJ gets his mojo hurt doesn't count or sustain any leverage.
B. The "team" DID win and win often when Flutie was IN at quarterback. Note: 23-11 Record of Flutie vs 6-10 RJ record.
C. No one's saying Flutie ALONE did it, but he also wasn't some Trent Dilfer who just stood around and managed everything, Flutie made things happen when things weren't happening. He was a good improviser. Note: Immediate reaction to bootleg against Jacksonville.
D. Granted Buffalo had a great defense, it alone didn't score points. Flutie and the offense had to do some of that believe it or not. Note: 23-11 record of Flutie at the helm.
E. Neil Armstrong was the the first to walk on the moon, NASA just sent him there. But you stagnant RJ supporters would argue that NASA walked on the moon, not Neil Armstrong. Technically, for you specific imperative dorks, Armstrong walked on the moon for NASA. Just like Flutie quarterbacked the "team" that made the playoffs. In which RJ failed countless times to do.
F. Just acknowledge it was an exciting time and Flutie was much more fun to watch than RJ. Because it's true just like the holocaust.
Quarterback = the most important position on any football team.
HOPE THIS HELPS!
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You're absolutely right about this except it was a game against the Colts, not the Chargers.
No first game was against Chargers in San D.
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The Bills won games with RJ in 1998-1999 (forget the years after that, since that's when the salary cap blood-letting began).
Yeah they won, but nothing compared to Flutie at the helm...
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it's a team game and he wasn't the reason we made it in 1999 by any stretch of the imagination
No he wasn't the only contributor. But neither was the defense. That was my point. Re-read.
Debate all you want, but the bottom line is, and maybe it's a conspiracy
, but when Flutie played the team won A LOT more often than any other QB on the roster at the time. People want to pull him out because he's not Kurt Warner or Tom Brady, but newsflash! He was the best we had. I honestly believe you Flutie haters have severe cases of Tall-Man Syndrome. Good luck with that!
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I forgot that Flutie played defense, sorry.
Defense alone doesn't score points. But you're saying Flutie had NOTHING to do with the team making the playoffs? Seriously? SERIOUSLY?! SERRRRRIOUUSSSLLLLYYYYYY??
Do you also think we didn't land on the moon?
I honestly think that most Flutie haters don't even read any of the insurmountable evidence and facts that prove he was a good quarterback. You haters are like those 3 year old kids I see in the malls that start screaming and stomping their feet when they don't get what they want.
Bottom line, RJ sucked it up, Losman sucked it up, Bledsoe sucked it up, and Flutie just lead us to the playoffs. Facts are there, can't deny it. Hope this helps!
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I will acknowledge that he supplied us with some of the better moments of the last 12 years, but I almost vomited the day they signed him.
He is excellent at PR, but the guy is/was as divisive a locker room presence as TO has been accused of being, at his various NFL stops. I don't think I have ever felt as uncomfortable rooting for any Bills player, as I did Flutie. I have heard tales of his time in Buffalo, and they are not flattering for a "team guy"... and people here get worked up because Drew Bledsoe called the Bills "my team" at the end... Rob Johnson, as talented as he was (and sorry, he was a far better QB than JP Losman has ever been), likely would not have panned out...he was a little fragile in the ego department...from what I have heard (I know, everyone knows someone) Flutie smelt blood, and did everything he could, to undermine Johnson.
Well I would think that would be a great trait to have, competitiveness.
On top of that, Flutie commanded respect from everyone including Thurman Thomas and Bruce Smith. I remember hearing how the defense would stay on the sidelines after a series to watch Flutie.
No he wasn't a prototypical quarterback, which isn't hard to figure out with 175 lbs, he did his best when he didn't pass more than 25 times a game. With our runningback by committee approach at that time, it should have been easy for the Bills to manage. But in 1999, they had Flutie throwing the ball 30-40 times a game.
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Twitter isn't anything special or new. It's essentially a facebook status only. Definitely not worth $500 million.
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Tim,
Do you watch Lost?
What's your top 5 TV show rundown?
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Oh well, then he must have been great because all of the Bills QB's since then have sucked.
A crap sandwich with cheese is much better than a crap sandwich.
Making the playoffs is like a crap sandwich???
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Flutie had his playoff game in 1999...He had the ball at the Dolphins 1yd line line with seconds left...he was sacked and he fumbled the ball...EPIC FAIL! So please spare me how Flutie would have won the Tennessee game for us. He lost his big playoff start for the Bills.
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BTW, on that last drive they were at the 5 yard line, not the 1.
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Can someone refresh my memory as to how many playoff wins the great "winning" QB led the Bills to?
Oh brother....
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Flutie had his playoff game in 1999...He had the ball at the Dolphins 1yd line line with seconds left...he was sacked and he fumbled the ball...EPIC FAIL! So please spare me how Flutie would have won the Tennessee game for us. He lost his big playoff start for the Bills.
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To sit here and debate whether or not he was a product of the system or "got by with a great defense" is like talking to a pile of bricks. RJ had his shot, he failed. Flutie got his shot and made something of it. If you want to get specific and detailed about it, Flutie did about 100,000 times better than RJ did.
He was the best option for the team, yet, some fans have a bitter regard for the man. Maybe they have tall man syndrome or maybe they have delusionitis. Whatever the case for them may be, when push comes to shove and when pen hits paper, Flutie rocked RJ's world upside down.
Hope this helps!
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I remember a TV shot of that game when Thurman ran onto the field flipping the bird. Very intense game.
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I've never been impressed with trolls running around on a football field. Flutie never made it big in the NFL because he wasn't good enough. The guy has a cult following that I'll never understand.
He was a Pro Bowler. He led the Bills to the playoffs both years he started. That's more than any other quarterback besides Jim Kelly can say for the Bills.
Ralphie got all jittered when RJ ran up the score on an Indy team that was playing for nothing and demanded RJ be the starter next week in the Wildcards since he had more money ($1 million) invested in RJ.
That was one of the first signs we should have realized Ralphie has a tendency to jump the gun. Most recent case with Jauron's extension after the 4-0 start.
Was Flutie the best quarterback in the league? Hell no. Was he the best available quarterback with the Bills? Hellz yeah.
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