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Again we ask for a definition of white supremacy that can include Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio. What do you mean when you say that he (and his organization) is white supremacist?

Well it includes the Proud Boys with their infamous white supremacist leader Enrique Tarrio, pictured below, so it’s at least a little fungible.

When done well it is a legitimate law enforcement strategy to gain intelligence into potential criminal organizations. There's some question as to how often the FBI does it well but it does have a very good track record in some other agencies, DEA good example. The social media age is making it less and less feasible though. There is a diminishing returns question to be asked at a certain size and certain level of criminality.

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It's well-documented that they did the same to Islamic groups post-9/11. But they'd never do it again. For sure. We promise. Cross our hearts.

Not to mention how many confidential/fictitious identities of federal agents are on those membership rolls.

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"We" weren't talking about anyone. And I don't even know who that is.

The famous white supremacists of the Mexican National Socialist Party

It's a goddamn mystery, columbo.

It's entirely possible to do so. The problem is that you want to imagine there is some kind of large, ongoing, national socialist conspiracy that is helping to inform policy decisions when in fact this does not exist. Deliberately or not, you want to insert imaginary enemies into a discussion about American life in the 20th and 21st centuries in order to assert that life is better now than it ever has been but for those dang nazis that are just messing it all up. It's dishonest. It's absurd on its face. It's an attempt to shout down any notion that suggests that hey, maybe the direction this country is going in isn't the best thing for her people. If you want the GOP to be the party of nazis, then fine, I reserve the right to say the DNC is the party of Bolsheviks.

Tell you what, I'll talk with you about Charlottesville when you acknowledge that every murder committed by an individual who should already be in prison is an example of far-left domestic terrorism. Starting with the Michigan State shooter.

And I also rejected any talk of nazis at all. There's no reason for it. I don't care what nazis think. My assertion was neither should anyone else. JFK assassination is when the worm turned. I say 1964 because 1964 ushered in the real third age of American presidents, as LBJ started throwing his weight around. The farcical Warren Commission, Civil Rights Act of 1964, Hart-Celler, assassination of Malcolm X, Vietnam. These are the defining moments for the era from LBJ through 9/11.

If you're over 35, you're middle aged 😂 Walking what back? If someone says "literal nazis" in political talk they aren't a rational human being, they're a screeching loser. We just had the discussion yesterday about how much better cities were at the turn of the 20th century. Didn't see any pushback from you there. What do you think happened between 1900 and 1955 that made life so terrible for pretty much everyone in America?

Nobody here claimed that everyone had a great life in America forever. Growing up in the area I did we still had people who were literally dirt poor out in the sticks. But to paraphrase a particular Nazarene, there will always be poor people. FLSA passed in 1938 I think so I'm not sure where there would have been child laborers when you were growing up. "There were homosexuals" lol ok and? Nobody denies the existence of homosexuality or the perpetual state of war that humanity seems to exist in. What exactly has everyone going to college gotten us? Prozac for half the country? At best, over-educated middle aged men talking politics on internet message boards? Joe McCarthy was correct. Communist ideologues captured the American institutions in ways that not even he could imagine at the time. As to the last part, why should I care about what national socialists think? Are there more of them now than there were in 1938? What threat do they pose? What power do they wield? We can acknowledge that nations have faults without demonizing the nation. America is the greatest nation in the history of the world, it surged ahead of every recorded civilization ever in every meaningful metric in record time. But it worked for that time for a reason, reasons that we seem hell-bent on undoing in the last sixty years.

The sheer amount of constitutional and historical illiteracy demonstrated above should be apparent to anyone with a high school education, but unfortunately the ideological capture of public institutions in this country means that said education basically taught three historical touchpoints and zero context for any of them. You can feel free to ignore anyone who uses the phrase “literal nazis,” insists that the founders didn’t mean what they said they meant, and pretends that America wasn’t at one time a high-functioning, high-trust society prior to 1964.

“I” am not anything, this is all theoretical as 1. I live in NY and 2. I’m not a governor lol But again the federal government has been happy to allow entire states to flaunt immigration law to include ignoring probable cause warrants issued by federal judges. No war, no national guard, not even a “hey wtf” from a US Attorney. The question is if they will tolerate that what else can (or should) they tolerate?

Well apparently that’s not true for immigration law. Then the question is what else is that not true for?

There’s already precedent on a very large scale with “sanctuary” cities and states. Just comes down to the will to power. How badly does the federal government want a certain policy enforced nationwide?

What did you think I meant by decentralization and constitutional crisis lol

Well who else do you think is going to attempt to enforce federal law when state governments ignore it?

The sheer size and variety of terrain kind of negate any familiarity guys might have with wherever they are locally. As to the rest I did get a chuckle. And I think you give the belligerents too much moral credit. As has been pointed out, you don’t need to fight F16s, or even their pilots. Those pilots have wives, mothers, and children. This is an entirely different generation of warfare that has yet to see a true test. It won’t happen here though. Again I think decentralization and constitutional crisis are much more likely. If there is an aggressor in that scenario, it will be the feds.

Again, are these the same F16s and state of the art drones that couldn’t beat a bunch of opium farmers armed with thirty year old AKs?

They’ll still vote republican. They just won’t enjoy it. Their options are either A. All the leftist policies they hate at the speed of light or B. All the leftist policies they hate at the speed of sound. The “third parties” are all bad. Green Party full of nuts, lolbertarian party’s big draw is teenagers and most of them can’t vote. Because the Hitler comparison is so apt.