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So this is a lot but I'm going to keep it brief and say a few things about the studies and what have you. Notice that most of these studies are either making changes within the "standard" diets or replacing the "standard" diet with something else. Literally anything is better than the standard diet and the foods that are included in the standard diet are typically throwing gasoline on a fire, destroying your body's ability to regulate what's going on inside of it normally. For example, seed oils result in the formation of a compound called HNE, as well as oxidated cholesterol. Both "appear to be candidates for a primary role in the progression of the atherosclerotic process (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/mnfr.200500090). By damaging proteins and lipids in cell membranes, HNE plays a role in obesity, metabolic syndrome (pre-diabetes), cardiovascular disease, and neurodegeneration https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2753676/ Meanwhile it is highly questionable that dietary fat on its own causes heart disease: https://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h3978?ijkey=7b2e366b29cdce894bf01daac4669622e87724ab&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha and whether reducing dietary fat after a diagnosis even helps: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3996809/ I know what the cause of diabetes is, I disagree on how one develops insulin resistance. Your body is able to process fat just fine. Excess carbohydrates and processed poison destroy our ability to do it properly (see above). Meanwhile glycemic load and glycemic index are "dietary factors probably causal of type 2 diabetes" https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/11/6/1436/htm (note many of the foods you eat are low in glycemic index) and restricting carbohydrates significantly improves several measures in people with and without type 2 diabetes https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00125-019-4956-4 https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/10/9/1285/htm The internet is rife with stories of the ketogenic diet, for example, reversing people's diabetes symptoms and there have been a few studies on it like this one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2633336/ "Diabetes medications were reduced or eliminated in 95.2% of LCKD vs. 62% of LGID participants (p < 0.01)." And when it comes to cultures and what they eat...India has one of the highest vegetarian populations in the world and also some of the highest heart disease rates. So what's the difference? Processed garbage. I told you we'd agree on more than we disagreed I'll agree with you on the 1.5 seconds of processed garbage, but you want to point to 6 minutes. I'm pointing to 24 hours. You couldn't eat plant-based for the vast majority of human pre-history. Fruits and vegetables are naturally seasonal to begin with, and before formal agriculture there was no way to centralize and regulate them. If you're a hunter-gatherer responsible for feeding a tribe, are you foraging for roots and berries or are you killing the first slow-moving animal you find? Now, I'm young. But my diet consists mostly of whole cuts of meat (steaks, chicken, pork, lamb), eggs, leafy vegetables (cooked thoroughly), with some dairy, avocados, olives, and occasionally white rice. No seed oils; I cook with olive, avocado, or coconut oil. I get my blood pulled every six months and consistently get good results. My body composition is consistently good since I started eating like this. I sleep better. Also note: I typically only eat two meals per day in a six hour window. Fasting is supposed to help with a lot of the measures so I can't attribute all of my good blood work to the diet itself. Cheers to you man! Congrats on getting rid of that diabetes. Hope you live long and happy, just don't be too scared of meat

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I don't entirely blame you for the approach, I agree w/r/t your comparisons to politics and religion. I think you'd find that we agree on more on this topic than we disagree on. Avoiding processed garbage, sugar, etc. for example. The reality is that there are very few tightly controlled, peer-reviewed studies that address a whole, animal food-based diet. Instead we get "look at the meat these folks added into their already ***** diet, see! Meat bad!" At the other end we get garbage like "The China Study." Overindulgence generally (but especially of processed junk) is probably at the root of a lot of our modern issues with disease.

What does that have to do with your "undeniable" claim?

I'll deny it. Show me the peer-reviewed study that causally links an animal-based diet (no sugar, seed oils, other processed garbage) with increased mortality. Show me the ancestors who subsisted on a plant-based diet. Show me the wild animals who evolved to be predators that become obese or get diabetes. And I'll show you that if 2.4 million years of human evolution were compressed into a 24 hour time period, then agriculture as we know it started about six minutes ago and modern dietary guidelines were issued about 1.5 seconds ago. When did people start getting T2 diabetes, again?

Mine was midget porn.

Tampa by Alissa Nutting was a good piece of writing, and gave my soul the heebie-jeebies. I'm a sucker for debut novels generally.

I'm definitely bringing a few so that @plenzmd1's kid and nephews can have them.

Boyst: "If poetry can now dictate law then @BeginnersMind shall one day rule the world."

The idea that meat is bad for you is insane and outdated. Carbs, soy, and seed oils on the other hand...well you see how fat America has gotten on these "healthy" foods. And guess what these fake burgers are made of? Eat meat.

I'll bring you a case @plenzmd1

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I never understood the mentality of guys like that. I'd take that slag to town though.

I also know what it is/was. An imageboard in the "chan" format. Why does it need to be shut down and how does it differ fundamentally from 4chan, 420chan, 1chan, 2chan, etc.? Why deplatform people using 8chan and not other imageboards, or text-based forums, or social media giants? ***** people congregate in all sorts of places and moderation, by design, is reactive and not proactive. And, if we "shut down" ***** people in an attempt to silence them, what do you think the reaction will be? They're certainly not going to just stop their wrongthink. Once someone feels isolated, demonized, without a voice, and without representation in larger society, what's the next step? I would suggest that the answer to the question "what makes someone think that shooting a bunch of people and almost inevitably dying attempting it is a reasonable alternative to living out the rest of their days normally?" lies somewhere in there.

You've been talking a lot about 8chan. I assume it's a website you've reviewed on at least one occasion. What about it made it a hub for "radicalization" of young white men?

In that Joe uses extreme language to make his point, sure. But hyperbole is an accepted form of argument here, it seems, at least until it doesn't go your way. Social media companies deplatform and shadowban right-leaning content all the time. Snopes has been fact-checking a ***** satire site and Facebook restricts the visibility of that site's content as a result, for one recent example. Meanwhile Antifa-associated accounts that call for actual violence against law enforcement officers and Trump supporters continue unfettered. It's plausible that the Dayton shooter was radicalized by Antifa-associated individuals and groups. The New York Times changed a headline because of leftist Twitter outrage. Their original headline actually, you know, attempted to summarize the content of the article rather than blame Trump for everything. What a sham. It's a clown world. Slap on the red nose and get goofy. It's the only reasonable thing to do. Honk honk!

This ignores not only the philosophy behind the 1st and 2nd Amendments, but also the plain text in each. As it stands now, I will no longer debate gun control with anybody. I won't comply with further laws. I will not call my representatives to urge them to vote pro-2A as it is a useless waste of time. If anybody wants my firearms, you are welcome to murder me to take them. I'll be sitting in my home peacefully as I have for years. Eat my whole entire ass, thank you.

I think you'll find more support for legalized dueling than you will for the 2nd here.

You're right. He should have said "more fathers." Children of single dads tend to turn out fine. Children of single moms, not so much. So it's not single parent families that are the problem so much as fatherless families. Our world demonizes masculinity and punishes men and their children severely for the man choosing a poor mate (divorce, custody, alimony, and child support laws). And now we're surprised when young men have no hope. "wHaT aRe wE goNNa dO aBoUt tHiS crISiS???" How about we stop alienating boys from their fathers and their masculinity and see how that goes for starters.

Indeed. Guy's on the ground, fight's over. Dust yourselves off and go your way if you can't shake hands.

As you well know, despite us living only 40 miles or so apart we live in very different places. I'm not gonna say your experience isn't valid, it probably is, and lil Gug sounds like a good kid. But goddamn the schools I've been to here...it doesn't give me much to hope for, and that's before talking about the state of public (government) education nowadays. That being said... Gen Z is a wait and see sort of deal. They're really young and came into the world while big media/Hollywood had its firmest grip on the national conversation ever. But some of them are curious to a fault and I think could revive real journalism. They're realizing that Facebook/Google/Disney/etc. have controlled everything that they've seen since they were very young and now demand more. They look at the state of politics in this country and think it couldn't possibly have always been this way and want more from their government (in a good way). But then some of them are ****heads who only care about Fortnite and whatever some "influencer" with a giant ass is posting about that hour on Thirstagram. Take the good with the bad I guess.

That lady is being a B word but childless 20- and 30-somethings going to a Disney park does ring a bit creepy and weird to me. Grow the ***** up.

I'm technically a millennial, born in '91. But my dad was 39 when I was born, so I'm in a different spot than most. Boomers are easily the worst generation. Barely worked for anything and put off every problem to the next few generations. Often raise entitled, spoiled children because they themselves were entitled and spoiled. Have cursed us with the worst of both conservative and liberal politics. Hep C is an epidemic among them. Gen X is raising awful children. Maybe their "don't care" attitude carried into child rearing when their condoms broke or birth control failed. Somehow narcissistic and nihilistic simultaneously. Millenials are, as stated before, spoiled and entitled in many cases. They carry the expectations of their Boomer parents but have none of the benefits that boomers had upon graduation from high school. So they whine and quickly forget that communism is evil in the hopes that they can get something for nothing. Gen Z. Dear Lord. These kids are being raised on Tide pods, fake news, and their parents' apathy. God save them. The good times after WWII created generations of soft people. Soft people are creating hard times again. Hard times create hard people. Hard people will bring good times again. The cycle continues.

Snopes is now fact-checking satire websites, so there's that.

I have two friends that took an opportunity to go to CC for free out of high school (if you graduated HS top ten they waived all tuition and fees) and then transferred to excellent four year schools after getting their associates degrees. Worked out nicely. I'm slowly taking classes working towards my masters degree in my field (unnecessary, but free for me). The local CC is always looking for adjuncts in my field as it's a very popular track and I might look into teaching there.