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This is only a "racist cops" problem if race was actually the cause of this. But there's a compelling reason to believe it isn't. Rob briefly referenced this but there's good reason to believe that differences in police use of force by race is better explained by differences in crime rate by race. See table 12 (PDF warning!) https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf The NCVS excludes homicide since you can't exactly survey homicide victims. But the Justice Department's 2011 report is striking. See table 1 (PDF warning, again) https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf Not to mention that 38% of police officers that are feloniously killed are killed by black people. https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/tables/table-42.xls If you accept the very reasonable premise that deadly force is most likely to be used by police when an officer either responds to a call involving violent crime or is, him/herself, the victim of a violent crime, then this becomes a very different discussion.

The one with Jake Gyllenhaal was better and got a nod from J. Cole.

When you have an actual high motor

Indeed. Like Christianity, critical height theory proposes that we are all born with original sin - the sin of heightism. Unlike Christianity, critical height theory offers no forgiveness for this sin.

Good afternoon. I read your post. I'm 6'4".

Chappelle the undisputed GOAT. "I dare you to say me" He's right though. Dave Chappelle might be the only person I've listened to who never lied to me.

Cops can look forward to guarding church parking lots for 8-12 hours, only responding to dispatches, never going above the speed limit even to a hot call. Policing basically disappears in rural areas this way. Literally no reason to run code at all with the way things are trending. Warrant with a guy's name and address on it? Not hitting the house, name might be wrong, address might be wrong. Traffic stop, guy comes back with a warrant. Not making that arrest. That warrant might have been served already, and there's no sense in waiting for ORI to confirm because if for some reason it's been served and they forgot to clear it then suddenly it's an unreasonable amount of time because hey, no warrant. No foot chases, no car chases; can't take that risk. And that's for the probably ~50% of cops that'll actually stay on after you open them up individually to lawsuits.

I don't get it either. If he was that good would have been him and not Teddy B playing those five or six games last year.

Gotta have some hot takes thrown in there to get the hate (clicks).

Donations to BLM go straight to ActBlue - a Democrat PAC. So, yeah, same people. Also explains why the managing director of blacklivesmatter.com answered exactly zero questions in her AmA about the funds they receive. I didn't mention other things - baking cakes, for example - because they aren't as recent but yeah.

So we should bypass the standards of government that are long-held and -established in our nation's heritage because some people are mad that - checks notes - someone got killed? Well, that's what the criminal justice system is for. Justice is this country works a certain way; when the people who are supposed to be agents of that justice do something wrong, they are then subject to the same system they were charged to uphold. The system worked. An accused murderer will get his day in court. I will concede nothing regarding any perceived "problem" in this nation with regard to the way our criminal justice system operates. Here's a doc from one FOP in a particularly awful county - what seems to be a bigger problem here? http://foplodge4.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Presidents-Statement-on-Professionalism.pdf

Freddie Mercury - "ten years ago I knew about three chords on the guitar. And now in 1982 I know three chords on the guitar."

Some law requires law enforcement agencies to report such instances to the justice department. The law escapes me at the moment but the departments’ federal bux are tied to it. What the justice department does with that data...? Last I checked the CDC isn’t a private organization. I brought that up here because if “facts and info” were actually welcomed in this discussion (in general) differential outcomes in crime rates wouldn’t be either A: dismissed out of hand as irrelevant to the point of use of force incidents or B: dismissed as prima facie evidence that the police are racist. Because when you control for violent crime arrests white people (4 in 10,000) are killed more often by police than black people (3 in 10,000). Disproportionate use of force is predicted by disproportionate crime. Full stop. What causes disproportionate crime? A bunch of things that need a lot of work but as law enforcement officers cops are literally just there to enforce laws. Many departments also try to reduce crimes before they happen but strictly speaking that isn’t their responsibility. Law enforcement is reactive by definition. But if someone is going to tell me that racist policies are the cause of disproportionate crimes then you also have to tell me which policies cause 6.5% of the population to be responsible for 38% of murdered cops because I would be extremely interested in dismantling those policies. Literally benefits everyone. So let’s out with it already.

Holy ***** I've been reading it wrong this whole time. I thought it said "Of" a police officer and not "by," because that was my original point @Hapless Bills Fan Anyway several organizations have dedicated resources to collecting that data. The Washington Post actually does a pretty good job of it, then there's the NVSS, the Cato Institute, CDC, etc.

Oh ok, if you’re not familiar with UCR it’s a data capture program run by the justice department. It collects data on a multitude of different crimes and gets published by the FBI every year. One of the data sets is LEOKA - Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted. Law enforcement agencies (18,000+ participating) report line of duty deaths and assaults to UCR and the program follows up to get as much info as possible. For example they publish data on what weapon was used to kill the officer, was the officer responding to a call or were they doing tactical or special duties etc.

What did I lead you to believe the link was supposed to show? I'm not sure what you're asking.

It’s UCR data but a separate system from NIBRS which is the more familiar “crime stats” data capture program. https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/tables/table-42.xls

I was gonna say before SDS jumped in, no PPP archive throws all that way off. Scroll down a little more on the home page and you'll see millions of archived posts from the main board.

Yeah it's weird. I like football. I also like chess. I'm about as likely to care about Von Miller's politics as Magnus Carlsen's. They're just people at the end of the day.

Not to mention that they take govt money for the salute to service stuff and then sell merch to profit off of it, including special jerseys bearing said players' names. That being said I reserve the right to ridicule athletes for being hypocrites - LeBron being chief among them. It's about money - stop pretending otherwise.

"Excellent" is in the tweet and you still managed to spell it wrong. Didn't realize you hated summer so much you started drinking at 9am.

BTW - you want some "facts and info" for discussion? EVERY felonious killing of a cop in this country is tracked and the data is kept from each one - making bias in "reporting" nonexistent for that particular set of crimes. And the data is readily available on the FBI's website. Tell me which "racist policy" caused the weirdness of those numbers.

I'm not sure what "camel's head" means but I think I get the gist - I'm not saying nothing should be done, I'm saying that it's not worth discussing with people whose cry is "abolish police" because they won't accept any sort of reform - only abolition. So people can vote their way into a mess, but g-d forbid we make them vote their way out of it? We need unilateral executive action? Is that the argument here? Because, again, that's not how our government works - it being slow is a feature, not a bug. And understand - the "abolish police" crowd is the same crowd that specifically does not want private business to establish their own standards. They're the exact same people that were policing businesses - through naming and shaming - who dared defy the executive authorities when it came to masks, social distancing, etc not even a month ago. See, this is what they really mean by "abolish police" - nobody is accountable except for anybody who stands in the way of their ideology. As far as equitable enforcement of laws - this is where you get into discretion and the like. Either you enforce a law by the letter across the board or you let police have discretion. Should you allow race to be a determining factor in your discretion? No, but understand that there are 350 million people in America and as long as police have discretion SOMEBODY is going to have a complaint about how they use that discretion, whether that complaint is based in reality or not. I was really just making fun of troopers. We have "fix-it tickets" in NY where if you get cited for something like a broken tail light, you get until sundown the next day to fix it. You can either take a receipt from an auto shop showing completed work to your court date or you can go to any police station and ask whoever is at the desk to inspect your vehicle and sign off on the ticket. Look, I'm not going to deny that your neighbor or his friends or family have been treated poorly by a cop at one point or another. But I will say that I've seen a lot of complaints and reviewed a lot of body cam footage and most claims are baseless on their face. Perception and reality aren't two entirely different things but there can be big differences when you consider that few, if any, people can read minds. And believe it or not, one's expectations can play a big role in how "respectful" they end up being. That cuts both ways. It'll never pass. But if qualified immunity ever goes away you're going to see a lot of cops walk off the job the day it does.

Dontcha know that having the luxury of calling the police when someone shot up your house is a function of your white privilege? Assuming it is real, replacing police officers with social workers (who, by the way, want absolutely ***** nothing to do with showing up to a 3am mental health crisis in the hood without an armed cop standing next to them) BY DEFINITION will not solve the issue, it will only shift to social workers perpetuating the same systems. This is why the "abolish police" crowd are anarcho-capitalists in function; NO government interaction is reasonable by their definitions of "systemic" and "racism." Every municipality that I'm aware of has elected leaders who are accountable to the people. They make budgets and laws and prescribe punishments for violating those laws. If jaywalking and sagging are "BS" laws then tell your local government that. Can't get a ticket for violating a law that doesn't exist. Meanwhile every local cop I've met in NY hates writing tickets and only does it if they're specifically working a traffic detail (click it or ticket, work zone week, etc.) or the violation is particularly egregious. Also you're gonna trigger troopers pretty hard if you insist that tickets for broken tail lights are BS.

Same. I have a big head that has the bonus feature of being an odd shape.