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If McKelvin had been instructed to bring it out regardless, he would not have cared where the goalline was. But his hesitation shows that he was not instructed on what to do. Which means that Jauron is an idiot and Leodis made the proper decision w/ no help from his coach.
Hey Simon, quick question on this...did you stop and consider the hesitation may have came from Leodis not being sure where he caught the ball? I mean he literally is falling into the endzone as he makes the catch. Sure, the rest of us looking down on him can see he is safe for a touchback, but Leodis is looking up becuase he is literally catching the ball as his momentum is carrying him into the endzone and its literally impossible for him to know for sure if he can legally down it for a touchback. He was just over the line and doesnt know if he made the catch just outside the endzone or not.
So it looked to me that he had to make a quick decision on what to do, so he took it out to be safe but then his instincts took over as he fought for yards which is what his true mistake was.
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Today is a very high traffic day here and everyone seems to have an opinion on why the Bills ultimately lost. In an attempt to find out if there is a consensus, I created this poll.
I think that it is Leodis McKelvin's fault. He had the ballgame in his hands and coughed it up. Not fumbling does not guarantee a Bills win but if he had not fumbled what are the chances that the Bills win? I think it would be at least 90%
You can point to the other factors but none of them are a single moment in the game like the fumble was. All the other poll choices (it seems to me) point the finger at a group of plays or are a specific period of time during the game.
The fumble was a single, crucial, momentum-swinging play that happened just as many of us were entertaining the thought of victory.
Nonetheless, that's only my opinion. I'd like to know yours.
Its simple, we lost the game most likely becuase of a fumbled ball, however, if he doesnt fumble and takes a touchback we may have still lost. So its not really fair to say we lost becuase of him only. With NE essentially having 4 timeouts if Leodis takes a kneel, then if we dont get a first down NE gets the ball back with a timeout and more than a minute and a half on the clock which is plenty of time for Brady.
The bigger reason we lost was because we didnt adjust on offense. AVP made improvements to this offense that were noticeable, but he did not adjust in the second half like NE did to us. All game Evans and Owens were taken out becuase of double coverage. Well, thats because we kept running mid range and long range routes for them on most plays where the safeties were supplying the double coverage.
AVP needs to make the second half adjustment and start running 3 step drop backs and fire to a quick slanting Owens or Evans. They need to bring them on crossing routes, short curls, and picks for each other. We will NEVER have a deep game if we cant develop a short underneath game to our wideouts.
We literally made it easy for the Pats to cover our stud WR's. The Pats on the other hand brought Welker and Moss short on quick fire routes which opened up the deep middle of the field for the strikes to Watson. Thats how you open up the field by running your Wideouts short, med and long.
But it was AVP's first game and he did much better than anyone expected, but it did lead to our Offense being one dimensional. If he makes that adjustment to compliment the rest of our offensive game play yesterday, I think we would have put a lot more points on the board, especially the way Freddie was playing and would have had been up by a lot more.
All in all though, a lot of positives from the game and a young team.
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People have to also remember that the Patriots played deep, covering Evans and Owens all night long. Go with what's open.
Exactly why you bring your recievers to a part of the field where they will be open...which are quick striking routes BEFORE the double can get there. Our OC should have adjusted.
AVP needs to make that adjustment and hopefully the game film when clue him in on that for the next game. In fact, I would bet money that we will see a lot of TO quick slants and short crossing routes in the TB game...something SORELY missed in the Pats game.
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Umm yes actually he did HANDILY out-play Tom Brady. If you extrapolate Trent's numbers across the same number of plays, the comparison would look like this:
Trent: 32/53 450 yards (8.5 ypa x 53 attempts); 4 TDs (53 attempts / 12.5 attempts per TD); 0 ints
Brady: 39/53 378 yards; 2 TDs; 1 int
Surely you would recognize that the quarterback with substantially more attempts would have more yardage and TD opportunities. So if you apply Trents actually numbers across the same numbers of attempts, you can make a very reasonable argument that Trents actual numbers were FAR more impressive than Tom Brady. So yea, the rating was in this case a very accurate indicator of performance for those two QBs. But thanks for playing.
hahahahaha...wow...creatively dumb as they come.
Brady got that many throwing attempts becuase HE MOVED THE CHAINS...geezus you are priceless.
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When are you going to get that TO and Lee were double covered the entire game? Would you rather have had Trent throw 4 INT's trying to force the ball to them, or throw 2 TD's taking what the defense is giving them?
Please show me in any post where I said force the ball into double coverage...
When your WR's are being constantly "taken out of the plays" by double coverage you ADJUST! You do realize that when you double the wideouts, especially ones as fast as ours, you do so with safeties the majority of the time. Guess what, the Pats were playing there safeties deep...want to know why...because thats where our WR's kept running routes...mid range and deep.
So how do you beat that? Well the Bills seem to think you keep running the same routes. The correct answer is to run short, quick routes like slants, hooks, curls, crossing routes, ins, and outs. You run picks for those WR's...basically you do exactly what the Pats did to us in the second half and what AZ did to utterly destroy us last year. Thats how you beat double teams with dynamic players, you get them the ball BEFORE the double team gets there.
No offense is ever better off having your RB lead the team in targets and recieving, especially when you have TO, Evans and Nelson as recieving options. Sure, you take what the D gives you...but guess what, you also need to adjust to get what you want and to get a rhythm. Bottom line, if you let the defense DICTATE your offense you will lose more than you win in the NFL, and if you dont get that then there is no reason to discuss this further.
So, I ask you the same question...When are you going to get that?
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Because other receivers were open underneath due to the fact that Lee and TO were basically taking the entire secondary down field on every play. You stop running them deep and the Pats stop giving up short passes. It is a simple scenario of cause and effect. If you are too stupid to comprehend the dynamics of the game, just shut your ignorant face.
I am so effing tired of stupid Bills fans. Do they not offer public school in WNY anymore or something? Alphadawg, every post you submit is just crawling with incoherent, bumblingly idiotic psuedo-thoughts that do nothing beside highlight your embarrassing and unprecedented lack of knowledge and understanding. Please for the sake of everything holy destroy your computer now, you mindless, unthinking waste of bandwidth.
You might be the dumbest poster on here now...you are clearly 12-17 years old and base your entire knowledge of football on the game of Madden on your Xbox.
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You keep sending the receivers deep so they get the 2 CB's and Safeties deep, opening the field for Jackson to use his speed in short routes and running plays. The Pats we're not going to get beat by our WR's, that was their gameplan, and if it wasnt for a stupid fumble, that plan backfires on them and we win that game.
If it wasnt for an improbable one handed interception by a DE that was returned for a TD we probably are playing from behind in the 4th QTR...
See, you can play that game any way you like...it still doesnt change the fact that for us to make the playoffs with our tough schedule that we need to put the ball in the hands of our two most dangerous weapons more than 5 times...
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You people on this board frustrate me so much. Trent had arguably the best game of his career so far, in Gillette Stadium, on Monday Night, the first game of the season and the first time he has really run the no-huddle. Why can't anyone give praise to OUR quarterback? He played a hell of a game and if we can get nearly that every week, we are set for years.
I don't know about most of you on this board, but I love my Bills. I bleed red and blue. We lost, so what. There are 15 games left to play this year. Why be so negative about the team that you supposedly love. Enough with all the damn pessimism and learn to love your Bills. Have fun with being part of the best fan base in the NFL.
We played a hell of a game last night and I am damn proud of our team. I may be in the minority, but I am optimistic for the next 16 weeks. Its a long year, with a lot of success ahead.
LETS GO BILLS BABY!!!!!!
If you take a time out and read what a lot of people are saying you will see they are not knocking Trent. Trent had a good outing, but that doesnt change the fundamental problem of our offense which is getting our WR's involved in the passing game when they are our two most dangerous and talented weapons on this team. This is not a NEW problem but a lingering problem going on its third year now.
Just because that concerns people doesnt mean they think Trent had a bad game.
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LOL football lesson from Alphadawg. I would say that Trent tore up their double coverage, and the game plan worked marvelously. I know that you throw the ball where the defense is weakest, and that is how you beat any coverage. Alphadawg my knowledge is quite obviously far superior to your own. Every point you make is inane and grasping at desperate straws in a feeble attempt to play the devil's advocate. Your posts seethe with stupidity and really man I am embarrassed to even say I like the same team as you.
How hard is it to realize that when your two WRs are taking 4 DBs out of the game, all you have to do is hit easy to read, high percentage passing routes to backs who have dubious mismatches against LBs? I mean my god man. Could you be any less capable of understanding simple strategic concepts?
You are dumber than I originally thought...If that was the case then the leading WR's in the NFL would be RB's...
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Because then they get torched underneath you !@#$ing retard, just like the Pats did. Every team we face is going to have to deal with that conundrum, and as long as Trent shows he is willing to take the underneath sh-- and make you pay for it, teams will have no choice but to play up and take away the high percentage plays, leaving TO and Lee in one on one, where we can legitimately throw to them. Don't you wonder how our TEs and backs could be so wide open time and time again, and BB didn't have his team adjusting to shut us down? It is because the DBs were ALL down field covering Lee and TO. The cause and effect here really is not that hard to understand....don't you find it embarrassing that everyone around you can't understand how you can be so dumb?
When the QB has a 114 passer rating for the game, you really sound !@#$ing stupid to second guess him.
Ok...this post made it all make sense...you are obviously between the ages of 12 and 17 judging by how you write and the ignorant comments.
Anyone with any real knowledge of football knows that the QB rating (which is hated by most players and analysts for the way its constructed) is an unreliable way to guage a QB's performance that day. I am not saying Trent had a bad day, but the sheer statement about the rating shows you dont understand what you are talking about.
Case in point:
Brady: 378 yards, 2TD's, 1INT = 97.8
Trent: 212 yards, 2TD's, 0INT = 114.1
Who had the better game? Brady, and I will take his production all day over Trents and yet his "rating" was almost 17 points lower...
Here is another fun fact about the rating: If Brady threw FOUR TD's last night with the same attempts, completions yards and the 1 INT, he would STILL have a lower rating than Trent...thats how stupid the rating system is. Are you telling me a QB who goes for 221, 2 TD's, and 0 INT's is better outing than a QB who goes for 378 yards, 4 TD's, 1 INT? So take your retard comments you are giving everyone and look in the mirror Corky...
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The difference is that we ran a ZONE all night and the Pats were in a variation of man to man called DOUBLE COVERAGE on Lee and TO all night. Alphadawg shut your ignorant face. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. None whatsoever.
Dude, whats with attitude, I never said anything to you, but whatever.
Secondly, it doesnt matter what defense you run on the Pats, they STILL run their WR's open underneath the coverage against EVERY D and team in the league...so take your zone comment and rethink the simplicity of what you are saying.
And it just goes to show what little you know because double coverage on the wideouts almost always comes from the FS and or SS, which is WHY New England runs Moss and Welker UNDERNEATH so they can break and catch BEFORE the double coverage comes. And you cant just play them short becuase they will come OVER THE TOP and burn you, and that is what makes NE so dam dangerous.
We DIDNT run Owens and Evans much on quick slants and crossing routes underneath to beat the double coverage, there fore we had a TOTAL, yes a TOTAL of 7 targets to our 2 best offensive weapons while NE had TWENTY EIGHT targets to just Moss and Welker alone (and that is 3 more than Trent had passing attempts). And they do this against the zone and man to man. If you are getting your mid to deep routes taken away on double coverage, you run your WR's on short quick slants and crossing routes...unfortunately we didnt make this adjustment therefore our WR's didnt exist.
The worst part is that underneath and over the middle are Owens bread and butter yet we targeted him a measly 3 times...
You have no idea how to beat Man or double coverage, so keep your ignorant comments to yourself please.
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Look what Tom Brady did. They didn't let him go deep once, so he threw underneath all night long. That is what you do.
The difference is that Tom was throwing underneat to Moss and Welker...while we on the under hand targeted Freddie a total 7 times and Lee and Owens had only 7 targets COMBINED.
When your RB is the leader in passing targets you won win many games and score many points. I am not saying it was Trent, but its either him or AVP or both...someone on this dam team needs to find a way to put the ball into the hands of our 2 most dangerous players in Evans and Owens.
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No doubt, going into the Patriots house and almost taking them down was huge for our football team. AVP is going to make a brilliant OC and play caller.
Good call DJ
Nothing will satisfy the Bills now or TE until we beat the Patrioits and that same desire is what pushed the Giants to greatness on their last Superbowl win.
You are calling AVP brilliant now? Why didnt your brilliant AVP make adjustments to the Pats D when they supposedly too away all of the deeper routes? AVP should have adjusted to what the D was giving him and bringing TO and Evans on short quick slants and crossing routes like NE does with Moss and Evans. Thats what opens up the deep game. The middle of the field was wide open the whole game.
While our O was better under AVP than Turk, we still have the same fundamentally wrong problem. This offense can not get the ball into its two most dangerous weapons on offense, Lee and Owens. We will not win many games when our RB is targeted 7 times and our top two WR's combine for only 7 targets.
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The offense playcalling was near-perfect yesterday, the Pats we're not going to get beat deep and they stuck to their gameplan till the end by double teaming Owens and Evans, so we took what the the defense gave us and it worked. In the first half Jackson was our main offensive weapon running and passing, did Bellichick adjust to it, nope, he kept his gameplan on defense. If it wasnt for a few penalties, we score more points. Dropped passes, you'll have them every game of the year, part of the game.
Same on defense, we gave them the short passes and we played the percentage, knowing that on all those 3rd downs and short yardage they we're not going to be 100% perfect, give them yardage, but play the percentage, don't get burn deep, and then again it worked. Kudos to the front 4 stopping the run and putting pressure on Brady without blitzing. The Pats exploited our weakness in the 2nd half with Ellison in coverage.
I was not happy with the clock management on the last drive of the game, but overall we had a good game plan that put us in a position to win, but we all know what happened... Hurts like hell to lose that game, but hey, suck it up and get a win against Tampa Bay at home.
How was it near perfect? If the Pats were not going to give us anything deep then why do we keep calling for the WR's deep? Why were TO and Evans not being targeted on quick routes underneat like Welker? If nothing is open mid or deep and Trent isnt pushing the ball there anyway, then you need to start calling some quick slants and crossing routes and get your WR's involved.
So, I cant say the play calling was near perfect because our Offense did NOT adjust to get the WR's involved. We wont win many games when our RB has SEVEN targets and T.O. and Lee have a total of SEVEN targets between them.
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Anyone else want to see Gruden as head coach next year?
Nope...he is overrated...he destroyed that TB team and his players didnt trust him. Yes he won a SB but with a team that was favored to win it before they got him and was built by someone else. But worst of all, his drafts were terrible and he has no idea of how to develop a QB.
Side note: His collapse to miss the playoffs last year was worst than the Bills collapse and to top it off he loses a must win game against the worst team in football not named DET (the Raiders) on the last game of the season.
I like his personality and the idea of him, but what I saw of him in TB, no thanks. There are other options I would prefer like Cowher, Shannahan, Mariucci, and Holmgren.
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Chances are had the WR's did their jobs properly and caught perfect passes we would have won the game regardless of McKelvin's major screw up.
So Trent Edwards basically goes onto the Patriots home turf and plays well enough to beat them, something no other team or QB can do and its not good enough.
All you Cutler fans need to shut the F%#K up, TE is our QB and will be for a long time so deal with it.
( post not aimed directly at you Heels)but all them muscles don't scare me,
because you could never catch me.
Come on Dog...come back to reality. Its posts like this that get you slammed so much on this board. The drop by Freddie was way out in front on him and the only reason he had a chance to catch it was becasue he used his finger tips to tip it back to himself. That was a bad pass, not a "perfect" pass.
The drop by T.O. required TO to jump a foot in the air and catch it near his face mask still after he beat his defender by 2 yards...he still should have caught it, but it was no where near "perfect" and they even said it was a bad pass on NFL Live today.
The drop by Lee wasnt a flat out drop, it was dropped because he got hammered by the DB at the moment he caught it because Trent got him the ball too late. If he gets the ball to Lee sooner Lee makes that catch.
So please, the "perfect passes" thing is silly, not to mention your claim that we win if we catch those when none of those plays even get us over the 50 let alone into scoring range.
But the silliest comment is your comment about how no other QB can go into NE and play well enough to beat the Pats...thats one of the dumbest things you have put on here. You act like the Pats are undefeated in the Tom Brady era at home...not to mention, this defense is a SHELL of what it was in 2007 missing 7 of its BEST players from that D.
I know you have a boy crush on Trent, but try and keep a little dose of reality in your posts and you wont get slammed so much.
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Compared to some of the offensive outings late in the year last year it was stellar. But really, the offense only scored 17 points. We need more. 17 will put you close in a lot of games where maybe we can steal it at the end. Only problem is, we get way more stolen from us late than we steal. Here's a novel idea, let's try to outscore our opponents.
Trent played well. No Turnovers. 2 TD passes. It was a typical Trent "good game". To take it to the next level he needs to make more plays. Longer passes. The run for the 1st down was huge. Turn nothing plays into something. The last drive was amazing.
But I'm coming away from this game thinking we've got to get the ball to TO more. He had 2 catches for 48 yards. Neither pass was particularly long, but he's really good at running after the catch. If you can't shake him loose long, throw him some short slants or something. The DB was playing 10 yards off of him. I kept waiting TE to take one step back and sling it out to him and let him try and beat the corner for a nice gain. Never happened. We used to do this all the time to WRs that couldn't break away. I think TO could. Hell, if you can't throw it to him, give it to him on an end around or reverse. Only 3 of Trent's 25 passes were to him.
Totally agree
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Our offense was great last nite and people still complaining. seriously STFU.
Whos complaining? But lets be real, our O was good not "great" and needs to get better still. I mean think about it... two TD's is great offense? Barely 200 yards passing is great? Having half the offensive possesions of the opponents is great? Horrible drive killing penalties is great?
Look, I am happy with the offense last night showing some potential with all the changes they just endured, but the fact remains we still have a lot of work to do in order to be able to consistently be good. The best thing about our game last night was that Trent didnt look rattled at all, he stayed poised and seemed confident all game...thats going to be key if he is going to continue to develop, so that was great to see.
But we need to improve still:
1. WR's have to be involved. Look at how NE uses Welker...why wasnt T.O. running those short quick routes? And all game the announcers couldnt stop praising McGee for his coverage on Moss, yet Moss had 12 catches against good coverage...I mean, we only targeted Ownes THREE times all game...
2. The dumb penalties need to stop...but that will get better with experience for our young OL players, so that was to be expected. Our O Line I think will be very good at some point this year.
3. Trent needs to spread the ball around and our play calling has to find a way to get some throws down field. With Evans, Owens, Nelson, and Reed we are too talented to have a RB leading our team in recieving each week. Trent still needs to learn to fire the ball in anticipation of where the reciever will be open. Look at Bradys first TD pass to Watson...he was BLANKETED at the moment Brady threw the ball, but he was able to see the coverage and understand where Watson will be open in his route and threw it there. Trent needs to get better at this and he will be able to find our recievers better.
4. We need a lot more quick QB 3 step drop and fire routes (again alla NE and Welker). We have so many play makers that if we cant get them open down field or protect Trent long enough for them to get open, then we need some quick fire slants and let Owens and Evans make plays...Nelson too.
All in all, very good outing as a whole for our team and something we hopefully build on.
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What are you talking about? The pass to Evans and T.O were past the first down marker, the pass to Josh Reed was 20 yards down the field and the one to Jackson would of ended up being a first down because he had a clear path moving forward. The pass to Evans and T.O was perfect. The one to Evans was right in his gut, he did get walloped no doubt, but it was on point and he has to make that catch. The one to T.O was perfect, because there was a defender right on him and he had to throw it up a little higher, it wasn't a difficult pass to drop. The one to Jackson was 50/50, it was a bit high, but none the less it should of been caught.
But I do agree that we have to throw the ball further down field and get the WR's more involved, just that this game it seemed to me that the *Pats game plan was to nullify the WR's.
The pass to T.O. was not perfect, they even just showed it on NFL live and said it wasnt a great throw. Still, T.O. needs to catch the ball, but T.O. literally had to jump a foot in the air to catch it as it was above his head...I just watched it again. The defender was behind him, not right on him.
None of that matters though as my only point was that we need to get the ball down field to our WR's or we will often be in a tight game or behind. I never even blamed Trent, all I said was that our WR's need to get in the game and Trent and the staff have to figure out how.
But like I have said several times today, Trent was looked better yesterday, especially with his confidence and poise. He still needs to figure out how to spread the ball around and get the WR's involved, but this was a good start that he and the offense can hopefully build on.
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or maybe he's just wanting to rail on Edwards like just about every other post he decides to share with everyone.
hmmm I wonder which one?
Dude, dont be an idiot Magox...I have complimented Trent in every post on several threads today...
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Um, the pass to Evans was perfectly placed. It's not even questionable. Are you confusing it with another play?
It was late...sorry, I should have clarified...
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a screen pass with blockers out in front. What a concept!!
The difference was those screens were by design...last year Trent was dumping off to RB's all the time because he didnt know where to go with the ball on a check down, so the RB had no blokcers as it wasnt a screen.
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Our biggest drive-killers were penalites, mostly on the O-line. Since we're being "real" here, do you think asking them to hold their blocks for an extra couple of seconds would have helped? Capitalizing on what the defense is giving you is smart football. Forcing the ball into double coverage downfield with no blocking is Rob Johnson football.
I know he doesn't get much love here, but Peter King mentions AVP as the best offensive coordinator this week. I think that may be going a bit overboard, but I do think his game plan was just about perfect, considering what he had to work with, and what he was going against.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...mail/index.html
I agree those penalties were terrible drive killers, but what I am saying is how long do you think it will take opposing D's to scheme to stop our short dump off throws? If you are not sure, then go back and review last year...
I was happy with our whole staff yesterday, I was happy with the O Line, and I was happy with Trent, so dont get me wrong here, I am not harping on the kid or AVP. But, the fact remains, if we can not get our WR's the ball and get the ball down field we will struggle. If we have to rely on our ST or D to contribute points we wont win many games.
We have one of the 5 best WR groups in football and our two starting WR's manage just 5 catches comined? We will be in trouble if our leading reciever each week is our RB...
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There were three dropped third down passes that would of resulted in first downs. One was a 20 yard strike to Evans up the middle, the other was to Fred Jackson and the other was on a slant to T.O, and that's not even including the penalty that negated the other 20 yard strike completed to Josh Reed. There were even more drops in the game, I remember another 15 yarder to Shawn Nelson and what about the drive killing penalties? The fact of the matter Alpha is that if they hadn't of dropped those passes, we would of scored more points. If it weren't for the dropped passes he would of easily have gone 20-25 with over 250 yards.
I do happen to believe though that we have to take more shots down the field, but he did throw the ball effectively on the 20 yard routes, we just happened to drop them or have penalties against us.
He played well.
I have already said on several threads Trent played well. I liked what I saw from him, but the fact remains, whether its the scheme or Trent, we need to get the WR's involved.
But lets be honest here on those dropped passes. The one to Lee was poorly thrown and he got Lee layed out which is why he dropped it. Lee didnt just flat out drop the ball, he got hammered because of where Trent put the ball.
T.O. dropped a pass that was thrown to the top of his head and almost behind him on a crossing route where if Trent puts it in front of him he would have gotten a big gain on that play. Freddie dropped a pass that was way out in front of him that he only almost caught because he reached out and tipped the ball back to him.
So before we go out and say these guys flat out dropped the ball, be honest and look at where he put that ball. I am not saying our guys shouldnt have caught the ball, but Trent made those plays a LOT harder than they had to be. And those plays were on the wrong side of the 50 yard line, so how do you justify saying we score more points if we make those catches?
Also, most of those drops were all SHORT of the first down marker and required our guy to make a run after the catch once again (if they would have made the catch). And that is my issue...we wont score many points in this league if we dont get the WR's involved.
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65 and 1000 was good in the 70's, not in todays NFL from players the caliber of Evans and Owens.