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Wow, do you have access to a PVR? I do, even though it's painful, you can count at least 5 plays (where the camera gives you the ability) where JP totally misses a wide open receiver, or waits too long and misses him. Two in particular were two deep throws, one being the one you mentioned to Evans. There is a receiver (I'll double check but I think it's Reed) WIDE open 10-15 yards directly in the middle of the field coming across. I'm sorry but JP was (dare I say) even worse than any game Edwards has played this year. Yes, there were some dropped balls, but this guy is so inconsistent and unpredictable there will never be a team that will get any rhythm with him at QB. I honestly feel he's not even good enough to be a backup in this league.
Not claiming to be right, I just think with the time to gel with an offensive unit and timing he could be a good QB. Remember, he has barely had any reps with the first unit, hasnt had much playing time, and is playing in a frustrating system. So yes, he missed some guys and made some mistakes, but he also made some nice throws that were big key throws to extend drives that were dropped by our guys, a big time play on that blown block by peters for a first down, a big play on the fourth down he converted (horrible call to play action in my opinnion by coaching staff, but he made it work), etc.
He has flaws, but he has also has raw ability, and I think with the right system and coaching those flaws can mostly be corrected and his ability better developed.
Hey, I have been wrong plenty of times, so who knows, but we will see next year.
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Can Oman play? Jackson is a FA to be, no?
Forgot this one...good point...get the kid some reps and see what he can do because I would say the odds of Jackson being here next year are slim to none.
Just to be clear in response to other comments...my original post wasnt to call Hardy a bust, it was more to say he hasnt shown anything yet for us to sit back and say he is our guy for the future. He is stuggling in practice and on the field. So, I am saying he and Johnson need more game time to show us what we got in them...
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i'm as big a jp losman fan as anyone, but he just doesn't get it. will he ever? after 5 years, it's probably not going to happen.
his accuracy is too erratic for him to be a starting (NFL even?) quarterback.
I see potential in him personally, I just dont think he can win here in Buffalo. I think given a full year or two in a stable system, with good coaching and not having to look over his shoulder he could develop. Brees was terrible his first 2 years as a starter before developing too. JP has never had 2 full years to start, has constant changing offensive schemes, and didnt have much talent around him for most of his career.
He definitely has some flaws, but I think some of these flaws can be corrected just being in a better situation...
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We know what we have (or dont have) in most key areas. However at QB, TE, and WR we have some young players that may or may not be long term solutions and we need to use this last part of the season to find out.
1. The obvious - QB...if Trent is there man then we gotta get Trent back on the field asap and see if he can regain his poise if the FO still sees him as our QB to build on.
There is the outside chacne that the FO is losing faith in him and may want to see what JP can do, so if that is the case then they need to start him the rest of the season, for better or worse. Personally, even if JP did well I doubt he would want to stay here anyway after the way he was handled, so I say get Trent out there asap and see if he can rebound.
2. WR - Hardy has shown nothing to this point to give anyone any confidence he is the solution. Steve Johnson has shown some potential but needs more playing time to see what we really have in him. If we dont find out if one of these guys can step up and become a factor in our offense next year, then we are no better off going into the draft as we were last year at this position.
3. TE - Royal just isnt a starter in this league...we need to find out if Fine or Schouman can develop into a quality starter for us and they need to play ahead of Royal the rest of the year.
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Just my 2 cents and observations...based on first 3 quarters as I was on a plane for the fourth...
1. JP just cant catch a break...I watched him put the ball right on the money on 3rd down 3 times in the first half just to have Lynch, Royal, and Hardy blow it and drop the ball and kill those drives. JP started 3-10 but there were 4 dropped passes. Then there was the deep ball to Evans where Evans was held, so it looked like an overthrown ball but I think Evans gets there if he isnt held.
To me, he showed some potential and some flaws...the play where Peters blew his block was a big time play by JP. Then he tries too hard to make a play other times and takes sacks he shouldnt take (although Trent has been doing this too lately). Overall, I really do think this kid will make a good QB in this league somewhere he is allowed to settle into a system and get the support around him.
2. The O-line just isnt worth the money we are paying!
3. Turk is an awful OC! 1st and goal from inside the 5 we throw a fade jump ball to a wr UNDER 6' tall in the back of the endzone? Are you serious...terrible call from that spot on 1st down. There were plenty of others too, but I will just leave it at that...
4. DJ needs to go...this team just doesnt seem to have any heart or faith anymore.
5. Royal needs to be demoted and Fine and Schouman need a chance to earn the starting spot.
6. Steve Johnson needs a shot at the #3 WR spot, permanently. Hardy just isnt cutting it and Roscoe just cant get open often enough. Roscoe can be electric and a playmaker once he gets the ball, but he doesnt get open enough to be a on the field all the time. Bring in him with spread formations, but otherwise, get Steve Johnson some more time.
7. Reed is an underrated player who is clutch. He reminds me of Wes Welker, we just dont utilize him the way NE utilizes Wes...what a shame
8. This team has no swagger or identity.
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Name 3 running backs who played behind Dan Marino.
How about John Elway?
Who were the WRs that Brett Favre took to the Super Bowl? Any HoFers? Who was his Rb that day? Barry Sanders?
It is true that mediocre QBs can be made to look good with excellent personnell it is false that one cannot see the talent unless it is surrounded by talent.
Uh, Elway had lots of good to great RB's and DIDNT win the Super Bowl until he got his best one in Terrell Davis...
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I might be giving him credit, but I'm not crowning him yet either, as I said before, he is really young, but in my opinion,
has shown quite a bit of poise, and future upside, whether or not JP was afforded the advantage of a better line or backs,
is a mute point, and may not have been fair, but it is what it is, besides like I said before, and I am going back to last year, even as far as preseason, when both were playing regularly, to me, there has been a marked improvement in the overall efficiency of our offense when Trent is directing it.
The o-line took time to gel...so by the time Trent took over they started playing better. Fred Jackson also came on as the season progressed...The coaching staff and game plan had more time to sink in...also, the game plan went from move the ball to protect the ball when a rookie (Trent) took over QB where there were fewer risks being taken and ultimately made the offense seem more efficient.
Look, I want Trent to succeed, and he has shown flashes of potential, but he also now not handled this rough patch well and it concerns me how shaken his confidence has been. Even on the sidelines, he just looks down when he is struggling. Great players shake it off...
My thing with JP is that he has shown plenty of potential but so much of the woes that the Bills were going through were unfairly put on him and he was never given the chance to succeed. So I just dont see why so many can be so anti JP and Pro Trent when they both have shown potential and both have had some real bad games.
I will point out that its frustrating too that when Trent struggles its always something else causing it, not Trent. When JP struggled (on a much worse team with way worse coaching and way less talent on that offense) it was all JP's fault and he cant play in this league. Truth is, the kid has a serious arm, spent most of the time scrambling before he even hit his 3 step drop back as the line couldnt block my grandma back then, and had terrible coaching most of his career with no continuity in the offensive philosophy from one year to the next.
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He'd be my first choice as well.
If we go with an unproven HC, I do like this pick. I still prefer a proven HC like a Mariucci, Billick, or Cowher (list Cowher last as I think he is the least likely of the 3 to come here). Maybe even Schottenheimer too...mainly because there is so much that goes into running a team as a HC and it is so hard to tell if these coordinators can adapt. Mularkey, Gregg Williams, and so many others were highly touted coordinators who just weren't able to make the leap.
Sure, there are some that become great coaches...but we have a young team and I think our young team that is learning on the job would be better led by someone that wasnt also learning on the job. They need veteran leadership here from a proven and qualified coach.
Again, if we go with the unproven guy, at least in terms of being a HC, then I do like him, but I will still much prefer someone who has proven to be able to take a mediocre or bad team and turn them into a contender or champion.
Mariucci did with the 49ers when everyone said it would be a decade before they could recover.
Billick won a Super Bowl with Balt who wasnt any good at all when he got there.
Cowher took over a bad Pitt team and made them a consistent powerhouse in the AFC with multiple super bowl trips and a super bowl trophy.
Marty has built winners everywhere he has been.
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Recently, yes, but you would have to admit that since Edwards has taken the reigns, the passing game has definitley
been more efficient, with Edwards spreading the Ball to a lot of different recievers and backs, resulting in more time consuming, ball controlling, and fruitful drives. JP can't do that nearly as well. Will he be the Quartrback (Trent) we desperatley need going forward? Time will tell, me thinks we gave JP enough time already! He is good on the long ball and taking sacks though. Not to try and make a Trent/JP thing out of it or anything, it's just that we don't have anybody on the team better than him, I say we give him another season as the starter, unless he really implodes, that could mean another year of no playoffs, but what else can you do, bring in a veteran free agent as insurance maybe.
Hows that for bull sh--?
Also, TE has done this with an O-line consisting of Dockery, Walker, and a pro bowler in Peters...and our pass blocking during TE bad run has been quite good. JP never had that quality of pass protection...so, is it really fair to credit Trent with a lot of the stuff you are crediting him with when he has the distinct advantage of better RB's, blocking and coaching?
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Assistant Coach James Loften, and any number of qualified ex players
Why does this guys name keep popping up? He was a good WR, but man, the WR's in Oakland have been terrible since he was a coordinator there...so what is it that makes him a candidate anywhere other than in the black hole known as the Oakland HC job?
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I really do not hate the guy. If he plays this week I will be rooting for him. I just do not think he is a very good qb.
Youre in the minority
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The real story is why wasn't Ralph at the game? Does he normally watch games in Detroit? Think there might have been medical problems?
As much as a lot of people on this board spew about Ralphie being cheapie, WTF are we gonna do if Ralph keels over today or tomorrow? I for one am hoping for a prolonged death for as long as possible.
Come on now...you are pulling for a man to suffer because of an NFL football team that plays a silly game for our entertainment? What a disgusting commment...
Do you even realize the amount of money he donates to charity and the positive impact he has on many? I have seen other posts hoping he would just die already so we can progress as a team...same thing I see and hear from Raider fans about Al Davis...
No wonder people hate our country...we value entertainment of a silly game more than human life...what a joke...anyone posting stuff like this should just be banned...
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You do realize this is the least meaningful stat EVER, right?
Exactly...
Archie Manning - 35-101-3 that is a horrendous record, yet he is considered one of the better QB's to have played this game by most...
Trent Edwards had how many wins his last year at Stanford? Oh yeah, ZERO...
So I love how people like to point out JP's win loss record when the team he played on doesnt even remotely resemble this team, had terrible play calling, was never given a chance to succeed, needed at least 2 full years of play in the same system, which he never had, etc.
I think both of our QB's have potential and I just dont get why everyone hates this kid JP who has been NOTHING BUT A PROFESSIONAL in all of this and NEVER a distraction when he would have been justified in making some waves the way he has been so mishandled.
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Yeah yeah, I know wins & losses should not come down to the qb. BS, qbs in this league are judged by wins & losses. You guys do not want to judge losman by wins & losses, you do not want to judge him by yards thrown, what do you want to judge him by?
You contradict yourself here saying yeah yeah YOU KNOW wins and losses should not come down to the qb, then follow it up saying BS, they are judged by wins and losses.
Many people consider Archie Manning one of the better QB's to ever play in this game, yet his win vs. losses ratio is TERRIBLE because he played on bad teams. TRENT EDWARDS didnt win a game in his last year at Stanford, and yet he had a lot of buzz about him and Walsh loved the kid based on him, not wins and losses.
JP played on a different team that had one of the worst pass blocking and run blocking offensive lines in football. That was pre Dockery, Walker, and our pro bowler Peters. JP had the incumbent McGahee and no Lynch/Fred Jackson combo that can catch out of the backfield to help bail him out when nothing was open down field...JP had a worse offensive coordinator (twice)...JP had a inexperienced Evans (who by the way had his best year with JP) with no #2 as good as Reed is playing this year (which is saying a whole lot) and a Head Coaches worse than we have now.
When TE took over that year they CHANGED the game plan for him to succeed. With JP, they took chances and try to push the ball, with TE they played not to take chances or turn the ball over, so it made Trent look like he was better at protecting the ball, which he has CLEARLY showed he is not this year with his fumbles and bad picks.
So hold off on your wins and losses debate and statistical debate as this years team is a completely different makeup than when JP had his shot. Also, Brees looked awful his first 2 FULL years of starting, JP never had 2 FULL years of starting to learn, had the offensive coordinator and philosophy changed several times, and never got a chance to settle into and learn a system.
I dont care how much you people want to hate this guy, but he has shown lots of potential, lots of YOUNG QB mistakes, has NEVER EVER BEEN SET UP TO SUCCEED HERE, and he has been a total PROFESSIONAL about his situation never becoming a distraction when losing his job and kept any issues in house and only talking about his status in the off season. The guy has been a stand up guy despite all the crap we put him through yet you all hate on him like he was T.O.
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Yes JP's game was much worse than what TE did agaisnt Miami and the Jet's. I'll grant you the other three games TE was as bad as JP, but those two games, excuding the turnovers, he played well, moved the ball, got first downs etc. And there was no one else doing anything offensively, no running game, poor blocking. So I really can't fault TE in those two as no one else did anything and TE did do many things right. TE also had five strong games where he looked real polished. JP even when he won, hardly ever played a strong game. The best game I can recall JP playing where he had pretty close to a complete all around good game was last year agaisnt the Bengels. In some other games JP had maybe 75 yards or so.
JP had many more productive games than you are giving credit to him for, even one game with 2 80yard+ TD's to Evans against the Fins...
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Ralph Wilson was not in Orchard Park this past Sunday. Russ Brandon had mentioned that in the pregame Tim Russert's ceremony. So... at least half of the story is fabricated.
Not neccesarily...Im sure Ralph was watching the game somewhere, so he could have just left there early and not finsihed watching the game...
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Oh, I had no idea that grown men should be able to play football as soon as they're drafted and need no mentoring whatsoever. My bad.
So based on this, we should get rid of McKelvin because he bites on fakes all the time. And don't even get me started on Hardy, who clearly should also get cut given how many balls he's dropped.
Produce or get out.
Got it.
I agree...the players on the field need to be the ones that played their way onto the field. Hardy does not deserve playing time over Steve Johnson. Personally, I am unimpressed with Roscoe as a WR too. Sure, if you get him the ball in an open space he is dangerous, but he cant get open often enough and is more of a situational player or special play designed for him player. I would like to see a WR corp of this...move Roscoe down and bring him in for plays designed for his unique talents only, give Johnson his #3 spot, put Hardy at #4. Who cares who was drafted where, been here longer, etc. Put the guys on the field that earned that spot and I think Johnson is showing he can be a factor given more playing time. Might even play his way into the #2 spot going into next year.
1. Evans
2. Reed
3. Johnson
4. Hardy
5. Roscoe
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If JP starts, mark my words, there is no way in hell, knock on wood hell, that the Bills beat the Dolphins. Totally 100% absolutely 100% percent impossible (PERIOD)
Posts like this are so absurd and have no football merit what so ever. You say this as if JP has never won a game in the NFL or is in capable of winning a game, when in fact he won a decent amount of games with less talent than the Bills have now and has beat teams that have more talent than this Dolphin team.
You should try posting a post that has some kind of actual merit that some lame post directed at just saying you dont support JP, who last I checked, was a member of this team and the guy has been totally professional going about his situation of losing the starting gig to TE.
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a lot of people's #1 reason for believing that trent edwards is the real deal is that he's not JP Losman
right on the money I think with that...awesome...funny thing is if we had someone a highly touted backup who hasnt had a chance to plya yet like say a Brady Quinn on our bench, this forum would probably be calling for Edwards head right about now.
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There isn’t a whole lot more to the Bills’ complete decline since the mid-90’s than this:
They haven’t had a good quarterback since Jim Kelly retired.
That’s it. Nothing more to it. They had two playoff seasons with Flutie, but make no mistake, that team was never going to win the Superbowl. Flutie was an average QB. Exciting to watch, for sure, but certainly no better than average. Since then, their best season came in 2004 when Bledsoe lead the team to a 9-7 record, losing to the Pittsburgh backups in week 17 and failing to make the playoffs.
Fast forward to the present: No quarterback, no playoffs. Period. Unless you have a very good defense AND running game, and sometimes that’s not even enough. Want proof? Thought you'd never ask! Likely playoff teams:
AFC – Tennessee (#6 rushing offense and #5 defense), Baltimore (Flacco and #2 defense), NYJ (Favre and #4 run defense), Denver (Cutler), Pittsburgh (Big Ben and #1 defense), and Indy (Manning).
NFC – NYG (Manning, #1 rushing team, and #3 defense), Tampa Bay (Garcia and #4 defense), Carolina (Delhomme, #7 rushing offense, and #11 defense), Minnesota (#4 rushing offense and #8 defense), Arizona (Warner and #10 defense), and Dallas (Romo and #9 defense).
So there you have it. The fact of the matter is that the Bills have NO quarterback, and the defense and running game are not nearly dominant enough to compensate. Edwards isn't the answer, neither is Losman. You want to get better? Go get a quarterback. Period.
Good detective work...so you are saying a top QB, dominating running game and dominating defense will get us a championship...lmao...in other words pretty much a dominating team in all aspects of the game as you just about mentioned every single component of a team...whole defense, running game, and the passing game with a great QB.
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First you should know I went out and bought a Trent Edwards jersey this year and have high hopes for him. So, I am not posting this to bash him, im just puzzled on how so many people on here can be so certain he's the next great thing because I just don't see it right now.
1. His 4th quarter comebacks this year. I love that he did this, but this is severly overrated. Those come backs were against bad teams with bad a defense. So what does that mean? It means he didnt move the ball well in the majority of the game against bad teams and had to make a comeback. Also, other players made some BIG key plays late in those games to bail him out. Hardy's amazing catch in Jax, Lynch bailing him out on 3rd an long several times and making tremendous plays and broken tackles to get the first down when TE dumped it to him 8 yards or so short of the first down...etc...I could go on and on. So, yes, he had some comebacks, but he got too much credit for them and the fact that we won overshadowed some of the offensive struggles the rest of the game.
2. His "decision making" - I just dont get this...his decision making the last several weeks has been horrendous and often looks scared to even attempt a throw down field. He made a lot of bad decisions last year too...including 2 INT's in the redzone in 2 different games that were returned for TD's costing us those games on ill advised short out patterns. So, he has a body of work that I would say demonstrates good decision making and another equal size body of work that says just the opposite.
3. His "quick decisions" - Huh? where has this been? He takes a LOT of bad sacks and often holds the ball longer than JP and Bledsoe combined. JP's problem was that he has too much confidence in his feet and thinks he can always extend the play by running around instead of throwing the ball away. TE actually can have a tremendous amount of time in the pocket and still get sacked becuase he wont let go of the ball.
4. His "poise" - Well this is all shot to heck...he has NOT dealt with adversary well and literally looks shell shocked during this rough run the last half of the season to the point he is hesitant to throw down field and fails to see open WR's in favor of a short dump off patern.
5. He's a "winner" - How is he a winner?...he didnt even win a game his last year of college. He has a mediocre record with the Bills and most wins are against teams we have way more talent than at most positions, so how does that make him the winner?
6. The dude is injury prone...big time...at all levels of football he hasnt been able to stay on the field...thats just fact.
I will be the first to admit I was high on this kid and I am still pulling for him to pull out of this. At times when things went our way, he looked like he had the calm demeanor and poise that made Montanna and Brady so good. Then things get rough and he looks more like Hannah Montanna out there than Joe Montanna. There are more bad games under this kids belt than good games and yet he is still talked about like he is the savior here.
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This team needs fresh air and new blood and Bobby April or Dom Capers is neither fresh air and new blood. Raheem Morris is being called the next Mike Tomlin who you apparently feel is another George Seifert. That's a ridiculous statement. Tomlin is clearly going to be the next great NFL head coach.
I am still laughing over this statement...I love how a guy can take over a powerhouse and win with them and he is "clearly" the next great coach"...what an outlandish statement.
So, if Mularkey takes over the Pats next year and they win 14 games with a healthy Tom Brady is he now the next great head coach? I mean he is having success again as a coordinator and there is talk he is going to be a HC candidate again.
What if Kurt Rambis took over the Lakers this year as head coach and they win the whole thing? Does that mean he is the next great NBA HC because he won the championship with all that talent? No way...doesnt mean hes not a good coach, just means there is nothing there to really show how good or bad he is...
Thats the absurdity to say Tomlin is "clearly the next great HC" when all he did was make the playoffs last year with a Super Bowl caliber team (that was actually only 1 year removed at the time from winning the Super Bowl).
He may end up being a great coach, heck I even like him, I am just saying he needs to PROVE he is that good before he is now the BENCH MARK for all young unproven coaches.
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Why in the world do you want the Bills to hire Dom Capers as the next head coach?! Could there be another former coach that is the mirror image of Dick "the biggest freaking loser" Jauron?!
This team needs fresh air and new blood and Bobby April or Dom Capers is neither fresh air and new blood. Raheem Morris is being called the next Mike Tomlin who you apparently feel is another George Seifert. That's a ridiculous statement. Tomlin is clearly going to be the next great NFL head coach. He will have the same career as both Cowher and Fischer. If you can't see that then maybe that's the reason why you are so high on April and Capers for the Bills head coaching position.
You should read my posts more carefully...I did not compare Tomlin to Seifert...I compared the situation of a coordinator coming in and taking over a top level team. Seifert took over a top talent team like Tomlin...had immediate success but couldnt sustain it in SF or find it again in his future coaching gigs...so his early success was inflated by the team he inherited.
So, I have not slighted Tomlin...I am clearly stating that until Tomlin can prove he can win once the makeup of his team changes then I am not going to anoit him the next great coach. He has proven exactly nothing to this point. Any professional coach in this league could win with that team right now including Gregg Williams, Mularkey, and DJ...the team is that good. He didnt build or engineer that team...he didnt even establish the way they play. They still play the same game they always have under Cowher.
Does that mean Tomlin is NOT a good coach?...no it doesnt...BUT does it mean hes a great coach...no way.
It means he has yet to prove how good or bad he is, only time will tell. He needs to prove he is not a product of his situation before I make him the bench mark for the success of young, unproven coaches. This team won a Superbowl with most of these same players just 3 years ago, so its not like he took over the Raiders and made them a contender.
If he took over a low level talent team and built them into what the Steelers were then I would understand all the hoopla.
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The Bucs had most pieces in place before Gruden arrived, but Gruden added the missing pieces that were necessary to go all the way & win the Super Bowl. After that year the Bucs were in cap hell, with no money for free agents & no high draft picks for a few years. The Bucs are a dark horse to get to the Super Bowl this year. If they beat the Panthers on Monday they should win ths NFC South.
Uh, Gruden didnt add a single piece to that team...he won in his very first year...
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You have to be kidding comparing McNabb right now to Bledsoe then...McNabb can run, has a strong arm and is still young enough to play at his level for at least 4 more years...