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Think about it. Who was LarryFtzgerald before made his name? Not saying Byrd is a star but you can't say he won't be.
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Huh? Fitz was highly touted coming out of college...was called a sure thing...
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http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers
Look for Nic Harris' rankings amongst the S crop and then compare his #'s to the natural LB's. The man?
You have clearly never played football and dont know much about it outside stuff you read in the paper based on how much stock you put into combine numbers...
Lets play a game...name this player...
Worst ever at his position at the combine in vertical jump, 40, lifting, agility drills etc...
Give up...Tom Brady...
Same guy now known as one of the most (if not the most) mobile QB in the NFL...not based on srambling, but based on manuevering in the pocket, in fact, Jaws did a whole piece on him about that very thing...
I wipe my under regions with the combine numbers...I will take a player who has instincts and knows how to play the game any day over a work out wonder.
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Seriously, who really cares, its just a number, and its a rookie camp... And honestly, our rookies could use the good mojo anyway...
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I don't judge a player's speed on the track. I look at a player's speed in full gear, on game day, mid and late game. Neither of these guys is a burner, from what I can tell, but Byrd has coverage skills whereas Chung...not so much. But, as I noted earlier, they will be playing different positions in the NFL.
To me you are wasting your time Dean...this guy doesnt seem to know football (he must work for the Raiders) as he dellusionally thinks the 40 time at the combine is the same thing as game speed. Anquan Boldin had a poor 40 time at the combine which is why he slipped to the 2nd round (alla Byrd), and how has that worked out for him?
To illustrate how over inflated the combine is...think of all the workout wonders out there who couldnt do squat in the NFL...then look at who was the worst combine performer of all time at his position: Slowest 40, worst high jump, fewest bench reps, and this is of all time...his name was Tom Brady. This is the same guy who is now known by most professional analysts as one of the most (if not the most) mobile QB in the NFL. Not in terms of scrambling, but in terms of pocket movement and avoiding the rush. In fact, Jaws did a whole piece on this a couple years ago.
So, you can have your combine speed, I will take speed when the pads are on and the ball is in the air. And for those who have never played a down in football, I will give you a tip. You can shave 3 to 5 tenths off a safeties so called 40 time on safeties who take good angles and have good instincts (see Ed Reed who has average speed but plays like he is the fastest guy on the field on just about every down). That is why its not necessary for a Safety to have elite speed and why Byrd was ranked the 2nd highest safety by most in the draft despite not playing safety in college.
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Some friendly advice on some common landminds on the board...
If you dare criticize Trent's struggles you will be labeled a Trent hater or JP supporter (even though JP isnt even on the team anymore), because as you will find out, Trent is apparently infoulable and on the level of Brady and Montanna already. If he has a bad game its everyone elses fault but his.
If you dare show any confidence in our coaching staff for next year, you will be flamed....
If you like our draft, some people are going to flame you who cant grasp the concept that we only chose 1 CB in the draft, not 4. Byrd = FS, N. Harris = OLB, and Ellis = ST and possible S backup.
Those are some of the hot spots...the other hot spot you missed was Peters, but since he's gone there arent too many landminds anymore with that topic.
PS: If you see any posts about news coming from "sources deep within", he pretty much is referring to deep within his rear regions as he is 100% full of
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Not quite sure either, or how this thread got to 6 pages.
PFW gave Chung and Jairus Bryd identical 5.75 grades in their draft book. The Pats got Chung at pick #34, Bryd went to the Bills at #42. Chung's 5'11" at 210, Bryd's 5'10" at 207. Chung's described as lacking ball skills or deep hash instincts, Bryd's described as an instinctive ballhawk. Go figure...
Anyway, it should be interesting to watch them develop and see which Duck has the better career.
Having seen both of them play live a couple times and several times on televised games, Byrd was always the one that always made the lasting impression to me, he was just down right impressive.
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Really? Because you compared Chung to Byrd as if they played the same position. You also seem to think that Byrd's lack or top CB speed means he will be too slow to play FS in the T2.
I really don't think you understand it, at all.
BTW, Chung is also slow, and not a guy you want to have covering anyone but the slowest TE.
Right on the money again Dean...
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Byrd isn't a big hitter, but he is an excellent tackler. Big hits are overrated. They are nice when they result in a turnover, but too often result in a missed tackle, or worse, in an injury to one of your own players. Give me a solid tackler, anytime.
But, I think you missed the biggest issue (which doesn't surprise me based on your other posts). Chung is likely to be a Strong Safety and Byrd a Free Safety.
Thank you Dean, my point exactly...give me Byrd over Chung...is there anything more over rated than big hits? I played LB in college, and I would take 10 tackles every time over 3 tackles with one being a big hit...
Byrd, IMO, has far more "ball hawk" potential to me and he is a very good tackler, and to the guy who said I prefer Byrd over Chung because I am a "homer", youre an idiot...it has nothing to do with that.
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We WILL be a playoff team if Trent can grow from his terrible second half last year and be a stable and consistent QB. We have lots of playmakers now, so as long as Trent can score more TD's than Turnovers this year (last year he had only 11TDs and 15 turnovers) and manage the game we will be a playoff team. We have enough weapons on this team that Trent will not have to carry us, he just has to be solid or better much like Ryan last year.
If Trent can have a season similar to this: 3400+ yards, 22-26 TD's with 12 or less turnovers then I think we will be a playoff team.
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And how would you know? Can you look downfield to see what's open from your seat/TV? not well enough. I'll take Trent's ability to get someone the ball, and let them do something with it over a guy who has a cannon that can't find a receiver. Enough with the "Checkdown Trent". It's all over TSW, and it's not even a problem in reality. Once again, I suggest you watch the tapes of last year's games. Trent threw deep when he had the opportunity. Problem was, with receivers like Short Lee, Slow Josh, and whoever happened to be #3 that day, in addition to horrible TE's, Trent did fine.
Your posts just keep furthering the obvious point that you really dont watch the games, dont watch them sober, or dont have a clue about football (or all of the above)...you may be the only person in the world that doesnt think Trent has a check down issue...
This isnt even a question...COUNTLESS times last year we would have guys open and trent wouldnt pull the trigger either because he took too long in progressing through his reads or checked down too fast...
Trent has potential, but man, you delusionally prop this guy up like he is already at Brady or Montanna like levels. He fell apart in the second half last year with only 2 games over an 80 rating in his last 8 games. The big problem, defenses caught up with him as it wasnt too hard to take him out of his game.
Hopefully, this was just a hard learned lesson for him and he can grow from it and become better, but checking down was a big problem as it kept us from advancing the ball on occassions we had guys open for the first.
The good news is that we have a lot more underneath weapons this year with T.O. and Nelson on board, so hopefully that helps him make quicker reads.
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Last year it was LB Jerod Mayo and now this year it's Patrick Chung. I loathe the Patriots but begrudgingly I have to respect them. It's mostly that Belichick, I can't stand him but boy I wish he was our coach.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...m_chung/?page=1
He's another interesting piece of data I ran across. These Patriots seem to have a tendency to sign players who never even have played college football. If that's not a good indication of good coaching/system then I don't know what is! I thought we did a fantastic job in developing OT Jason Peters but these guys are taking them right out of the junkpile.
LMAO...you just compared him to Mayo before he has ever played a down...and FYI: I will take Byrd over him as a Safety prospect, and we got Byrd
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It would be a good excuse, but it ain't true. Nice try though. It still seems like decades ago, so I understand.
You are thinking of 2002. Bledsoe sucked in 2003...we had a terrible offense. They got Losman because he was on the cover of ESPN as the next great thing and then Bledsoe sucked in 2004 and we cut him.
But to sum it up, Bledsoe sucked for an entire 24 games before we drafted Losman (8 from 2002 and 16 from 2003). That's why we drafted him...we thought Blesdoe was pretty much done, not the fact we could get Losman to ride the bench for a while.
Oh yeah, my bad...thats right...it was a year removed. I do remember watching an interview where the Bills said they didnt anticipate being in a position to take a QB of Losmans caliber though, so it doesnt change my original point.
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Whats so funny? Blesoe threw for over 4000 yards the year before, and the Bills even said they were not expecting to be in a position to get such a highly regarded QB prospect in the near future...which is what everyone thought after that first year with Bledsoe when he had a dangerous passing attack.
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Dickie boy hasnt been successful with ANY roster he has ever had. He lost us 3-4 games each of the last two seasons on his dumb coaching decisions. He could have went 7-9 with the Steelers this past season. Football relies on coaching more than any other sport, and as long as we have a loser like DJ in charge it does not matter who is on our roster.
So the 6 games out of our last 8 where JP and Trent combined to commit 4 turnovers for every 1 TD scored had nothing to do with his record? You know, the same duo that went 0-6 in the division and neither QB ever had a rating over 80 or more TD's than turnovers in any game...
Thats the same duo that had only one game with even a rating over 70 in the 6 divisional games, and that was a measly 79...
None of this had nothing to do with our record last year? Did DJ cause Trent to fumble 9 times in 12 games losing 5 including some that cost us the game? What about JP's fumbling so often, was that DJ's fault too? How about all the bad passes that were intercepted or almost intercepted?
What about Royals dropped passes that killed us, or his fumble? How about when Hardy dropped key first downs? What about when Evans screwed the pooch at the end of the half costing us points? Was that all DJ too?
Was it DJ that hurt Schobel so we had a diminished pass rush? What about Reed going down, was that his fault too? Or all our secondary guys getting hurt, was that because of DJ?
Was it DJ's fault that Peters was out of shape and struggled all year?
I mean seriously, do you honestly think none of this had anything to do with our record?
And despite all of this, we still won 7 games and were in every contest except the AZ game...so maybe you are being a lil over dramatic laying this all on DJ...
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Call him a troll but he makes valid points. Saying McShay and Kiper rated the kid as the best pass rushing end doesnt make him the consensus best rushing end. There is a reason all of those guys dont have jobs for real NFL teams. I take Mayocks word over those twos and Mayock was scared of him the same way I am. I will eat crow if he is better than Orakpo, but what will the Bills excuse be if he is not? I am concerned because we passed on having Orakpo, then passed on having Maybin and Brown. This seems to happen every year (the Bills take one position, but the wrong guy IMO). History has shown that I have been a better scout than the Bills. Evidence
2002: Bills pick- M.Williams My pick- B. McKinnie
2003: Bills pick- Willi McGahee My pick- Not Willis McGahee
2004: Bills pick- Losman My pick- Who is Losman? (I REALLY wanted Roethelisburger but he didnt fall, shoulda traded up from 13 to get him instead of trading to get Losman.)
2005: Bills pick- No pick
2006: Bills pick- Whitner/McCargo My pick- Ngata
2007: Bills pick- Lynch/Poz My pick- I would have traded up to get P.Willis, not Poz, but did want Lynch once Willis was gone.
2008: Bills pick- McKelvin My pick- DRC
2009: Bills pick- Maybin My pick- Orakpo
I am not tooting my own horn here, most viewers on this board share/shared similar opinions on these players at that time.
I think I must have more confidence in Chambers than any other member on this board. I think he will be our starter at LT for the whole year. He wont be great but he will be solid. I do wish we got Oher but I cannot complain with wood or levitre as they may be better picks when you take our whole roster into account.
LMAO at you are better at those picks than the Bills...you didnt offer an alternative pick in most cases, that means a pick available at our draft slot, not your fairy tale world where we traded up because it takes TWO to trade, you dont just rade up because you decided to trade up...not to mention, one trade up would have changed every single pick there after in every season...lol...
You only had someone else on your Williams pick, McKelvin pick, Whitner and Maybin pick...and you are wrong on McKelvin, I would rather have him than DRC, and no one knows about the Maybin pick yet...so congrats on being right on two picks in 7 years...nice job. lmao...you should create a scouting resume of that and see if you can get scouting job...
Is it me, or are the posts on this board getting worse now that we are heading in the right direction?
Its so easy to critique picks after the fact, but at the time they were all made, the only questionable ones were McGahee and Whitner. Losman was hot and rising fast up the draft boards and because of how good Bledsoe was the previous year, it looked like it would be a while before we had a high enough pick to get such a prospect. McGahee was a luxury pick viewed by most as we werent seen as a team with a tremendous amount of holes and considering he would have been the 2nd or 3rd pick in the draft pre injury, they took a chance.
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Young QB was struggling. Lots of NFL kickers would make that kick. Especially after seeing your rival kicker drop a bomb of a 56 yarder. Lindell sucks.
It has been well documented that Losman sucks. And Lindell, who sucks, missed a 20 yard (how is that possible?) & 40 yard fgs. But that was the most miserable football game I've ever attended.
Can't really argue with this. It was a dumb decision. But if Trent doesn't fumble trying to reach out for a first down (a Losman-like move) and our amazing left side of our o-line doesn't get blown up by Big mouth Porter, that could have be a W even with a poor coaching decision.
If Belichick does this, he is thought of as ballsy and going for the jugular. However, Jauron, who trusts a 5th year QB and a "pro bowl" LT gets done in by their faulty play execution.
Fairchild won 7 games and a bowl game in his first season as a CSU head coach. They won 7 games the previous 2 years. And his 2006 season with Losman may be one of the great offensive coaching ever because he made JP look somewhat like a pro QB.
Shoop is the offensive coordinator that just saw 3 receivers get drafted in the draft, including 2 in the first 2 rounds.
And the fact you are questioning Crowton makes me question your football knowledge. He is one of the best offensive coordinators in the business and has groomed 7 NFL QBs. http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?...p;Q_SEASON=2008
Again, Jauron isn't the greatest coach in the world, but his players lost those games.
Great post...
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How do the Bills justify taking Maybin over Orakbo or Oher? Have you seen the pictures of this guy? He looks like a beefed up WR, not a DE. Even his highlights are not impressive. He's had 1 year of success in a mediocre - sub-mediocre conference. He is going to be physically abused by NFL OLmen.
Love the Wood pick, but our OL is in sad, sad shape. Who is going to play LT...L Walker? He is a well below avg RT. There is no way he can play LT. Why do the Bills not seem to get what most other NFL teams already know? You build successful teams with the DL and OL. You can't get by with nobodys and other teams' castoffs playing on the line. I truly feel sorry for Trent this year. He is going to get killed.
FYI: Maybin was rated by most as the best pass rusher in this draft...so go take your beef up with them too because I am sure you are better suited to evaluate these players than professional scouts and NFL front offices...lmao
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How do the Bills justify taking Maybin over Orakbo or Oher? Have you seen the pictures of this guy? He looks like a beefed up WR, not a DE. Even his highlights are not impressive. He's had 1 year of success in a mediocre - sub-mediocre conference. He is going to be physically abused by NFL OLmen.
Love the Wood pick, but our OL is in sad, sad shape. Who is going to play LT...L Walker? He is a well below avg RT. There is no way he can play LT. Why do the Bills not seem to get what most other NFL teams already know? You build successful teams with the DL and OL. You can't get by with nobodys and other teams' castoffs playing on the line. I truly feel sorry for Trent this year. He is going to get killed.
I bet you by seasons end our O Line is better this year than it was last year...
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Oh God!
and the crusade continues
Come on Magox...even you have to admit his post was absurd...he claimed Trent was "very good" last year and does NOT need to improve...come on, even you know that is hog wash...
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I dont know about you, but I am tired of watching WR's run past our safeties. Its funny, I always see so many complaints about the lack of INT's and productoin by our safeties, and then we go out and grab a guy who was the #2 rated safety who is a natural ball hawk AFTER we already took the best rated pass rusher in the draft.
Would you rather have a really good FS or a second pass rusher who wouldnt start? Brown has lots of questions marks, which is why every team passed on him at least once, and several passed on him twice despite needing pass rush help.
I will trust their assesments over the posters on here who only have a you tube highlight to go off of.
I have seen Byrd play in person, and seen many games on TV, the kid is a serious player. I think he will be one of our best picks in this draft personally, but only time will tell.
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The wind was so strong that Trent has just completed a beautiful 30 yard pass to robert royal.
This is where posters like you lose all credibility...you sight one throw, or one play, to negate all the other 40 mistakes he made...that Cle game was one of the worst QB'd games in recent memory and worse than any game I have ever seen terrible JP put up...and even the Trent man crush guys will agree how bad that game was...but you want to negate all of that over his wobbly lob to Royal, which was a good pass, but it doesnt mask how bad he had been on every other snap that game.
The kid has potential, sure, but there were plenty of games where he played well below that, and that Cle game was a prime example. I assure you the coaching staff knows more about football and what was going on with Trent in that game then you or I do. And in a must win game, if they felt Trent gave us the better chance to win, they would have took it...but they clearly had no confidence in him or any of the offense at that point.
If Trent takes a sack we were out of FG range too...and he was playing like a deer in headlights all game and taking bad sacks. In fact, he wouldnt even throw the ball away...so he was missing wide open WR's all game just to dump off to RB behind line of scrimmage, or he holds the ball despite wide open recievers and took a bad sack...he wasnt even throwing the ball away. He should have had several other turnovers that game besides the 3 INTS, but he got lucky several times.
But, you wont see that...you see your hero and ignore his struggles.
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A GOOD Coach will assess a QB's strengths & weaknesses & adjust the Game plan to suit the QB's STRENGTHS as well as the strengths of the other players on the Team. That is the point the Jauron Defenders fail to understand.
Trent had few strengths last year...I like the kid, but its the truth...
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I'm so sick of everyone saying Edwards needs to significantly improve. Last year was his first full year, and he had an 85 QB rating. Watch highlights. The dude was pretty good. He'll be even better.
Edwards is just another way for negative Bills haters to bash one more thing that isn't wrong.
I get why people are optimistic on him and also not sold on him...but come on Pozfan, this is the most ludicrus post on this thread.
You clearly dont know enough about football if your only leg to stand on is the 85 QB rating.
What about these:
Divisonal games for Trent:
Mia: 67.2 rating, 227 yards, 0 TD, 2 turnovers
NYJ: 79.3 rating, 289 yards, 1 TD, 3 turnovers
NE: 49.2 rating, 120 yards, 1 TD, 2 turnovers
NE: 70.1 rating, 128 yards, 0 TD, 1 turnover
That is 2 TD's and 8 turnovers in the four divisional games with no game over an 80 rating...we went 0-6 in the division...we cant make the playoffs when your QB plays this bad in the division, and JP was just as bad.
So, you dont think he needs to improve?
What about these games:
Cle: 50.3 rating, 148 yards, 1 TD, 3 turnovers
SF: (one half only, but it wasnt good) 64.0 rating, 47.6 comp %, 112 yards, no TD or turnovers
Even the 2 wins against Oak and Stl he had only a 80 rating with only 2 total TD's and 3 turnovers...
Do you even realize that he only had only 6 games over a 85 rating and 8 games significantly UNDER that rating?
So, please, how on earth can you say he does not need to improve? One more year like that and he will be replaced in 2010.
So, if you want to be optimistic about his IMPROVEMENT, fine, but enough with the ludricrus statements like he is already "pretty good" and doesnt need to improve because that is clearly just absurd to say...
Nic Harris
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Point was that Brady fell to the 6th round becuase of those combine numbers...how could he ever avoid the rush with those kind of numbers...
Great players compensate for their weaknesses...so the fact that his forty time wasnt blazing does not concern me based on how he plays the game...I think Ellison will start the year starting, but Harris will beat him out during the season...