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There is a reason why Trent checks down and holds on to the ball. Roscoe Parrish constantly misses the reads on blitzes, watch last years games on DVR (literally impossible).
I am assuming this is sarcasm, because otherwise you are literally blaming our 4th WR for our QB's struggles...that should be on the Trent Excuse thread...
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You're kidding right?
The Bills offensive coordinator stated in the Buffalo news that the passing offense suffered last season because once opposing teams double covered Lee Evans it shut down the passing game, It is the reason they opted to sign TO.
As much as you hate Trent Edwards ( not sure why, did he bang your wife or gf? ) He can't make the blocks and run the routes while trying to throw the ball.
The Bills are still lacking a decent pass catching tight end, they realize this and tried to trade for Tony Gonzalez, but he turned down the trade. The Bills still lack a good fullback, they try throw the ball on short yardage plays because they don't have a short yardage back.
The Bills offensive line has been revamped every year the past 4 years under Jauron, it is no wonder any QB gets gunshy or unloads the ball to the checkdown. This coaching staff doesn't know a good linemen from a bad one, it is why they keep bringing in new players only to drop them the next year.
I'm not sure why your on a Trent Edwards witch hunt, this is the same QB that outplayed Cutler in Denver, and he out played Phillip Rivers in Buffalo, he basically pulled out some wins last season against the Raiders, Rams, Jags with come from behind passing plays. If the receivers get open and he has time, TE can be as good as most any QB in the league.
Try not to forget that it is a TEAM game and the TEAM needs to play well to win.
Anyone who says "He outplayed Rivers and Cutler" loses all credibility right there with anything else you say. One, Opposing QB's are not facing identical defenses, so even comparing the two in a game is absurd. Denver and SD were amongst the worst Defenses in the league last year, which makes it easier for Trent. Second, Trent didnt play Rivers one on one or Cutler one on one...Third Cutler and Rivers have accomplished light years more than Trent has. In fact, Rivers has the second highest QB rating to start a career ALL TIME (only second to Montanna) and Cutler had one of the most productive starts to an NFL career as well all time (and I dont want to hear how they didnt make the playoffs because anyone with a shred of common sense who isnt trying to hype up there boy crush Trent knows it was the defense that kept Den out of the playoffs).
Trent is NOT even in the same league as those two...its like comparing the NFL to the CFL. I am curious, so are you saying every time Montanna had a bad game and the opposing QB had a good game that it means the opposing QB is a better QB than Montanna?
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I can't wait until the regular season starts to see the mods delete all these threads opened during the games.
Why do you care?
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You know this how, do you have anything at all to support something so hilarious.
I answered for him...Kurt Warner and the AZ cardinals.
3 steps back, FIRE...that simple. Kurt picks D's off all the time depsite being pressured all the time. His O line in AZ is well below average and they cant run the ball, yet Kurt is one of the most productive QB's in the league and took AZ to the SB...
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You can have some of the best skilled players in the NFL including a good QB and without a good O-line it doesn't matter does it, like I say it can be simple or it can be to complicated for some to comprehend.
Not true at all...explain the AZ cardinals last year...
A good QB who can take 3 steps and fire can beat any blitz and a bad O Line all day long...Case in point Kurt Warner who may be the slowest QB in football and yet still gets the ball out fast and to his WR's all day depsite having an O line that was worse than ours last year.
A good QB makes a bad O line look solid...the bottom line is that our O Line is good enough to win with and gave Trent and JP all kinds of time to throw last year that was never utilized. Are they the best no O Line, of course not, not even close. But they are good enough to see a lot more production out of the offense.
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DUDE...don't bother quoting relevant stats to Trentative apologists. Let's not ruin blind unfounded optimism with real world performance.
Couldnt have said it better myself...
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Week 17: Giants
- The Giants were already comfortably in the playoffs, they had nothing at stake. They played David Carr at QB for Christ's sake. The Vikings could still barely beat them. It helps when Adrian Peterson is running for 67 yard touchdowns and they're kicking 50-something yard field goals as time expires to beat the Giants' second string.
Week 16: Falcons
-Solid game by Jackson
Week 15: Cards
-It certainly helps your case as a QB when your RB rushes for 165 yards and sets the franchise record for his 9th 100 yard game in one season. It also helps when your WR runs a punt back for an 82 yard touchdown, and the other team's offense is turning the ball over like it's a hot potato.
Week 14: Lions (nuff' said)
- Jackson barely played in this one, and it was against the worst team in NFL history, and oh yeah.. Peterson rushed for over 100 yards again.
Look, the guy can certainly be solid at times. But in Minnesota, he's not the focal point of the offense. He just has to not make mistakes. In Buffalo, we have a no huddle air attack. The QB is the focal point. I really don't want a guy who is struggling to not make mistakes in one offense, coming in to one where he's gotta be the main guy. I would certainly want him on my team to develop, but I wouldn't want him on the field right away and I wouldn't give up a decent draft pick for him.
Week 17 he still palyed a tough defense...
Week 15 - who cares about AP running for 165 yards...you act like a RB rushing for 165 automatically turns the game into an easy day for the QB...not to mention we have one of the best RB tandems in foorball for him here.
By the way, all your points were directed at his record yet you ignore his 8-1 TD ratio and his 116 QB rating all the while passing to one of the worst WR corps in football. You do realize thats only 3 TD's fewer than Trent had all of last year? You also realize that is just one TD shy of equaling ALL of Trents TD production in his career right in less than 4 games?
All of that by using a WR corp significanly less than ours and playing better teams. Lee is way better than Berrian...Reed is better than any other WR on that team not named Berrian...actually, Reed is a better route runner, blocker and has better hands than Berrian, so the only thing Berrian has on him is speed and big play ability.
Besides all that though, the "In Buffalo the QB is the focal point" statement was shocking. Since when is my question? Trent passed for 10 TD's last year in 12.5 games...thats not even one per game. Our running game was what kept us alive last year, not the QB. We have switched to the no huddle to try and get the defense off guard and get Trent back into some quick drops and fire, but he has proven not capable of handling that yet. If we had a competent QB who could move the chains the no huddle would be scrapped.
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Is Brandon Marshall one of the top WR's in the NFL.... YES! Top 5?... YES!
Only Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Randy Moss are better and only because Cutler is no longer throwing to him.
Would his presence dramatically improve the Bills passing game...YES!
Is that why the Ravens, Jets and Giants are all trying desperately to trade to get him...YES!
1. Ask any GM in the league and they will agreee Anquan Boldin and Calvin Johnson are better WR's than Marshall too, both on and off the field. Anquan might be the most complete WR in football, and Calvin is just as big, more explosive and a better teammate.
2. His presence would NOT dramatically improve the Bills passing game. We already have one of the Top 5 WR corps in all of football with a QB who can not get them the ball. The funniest thing is that when Randy Moss was in Oakland the fans used to complain about him too...then he goes where someone can pass to his WR's and he sets all kinds of single season records...BAD QB play can make any WR look BAD
3. The Ravens, Jets, and Giants are NOT desperately trying to get him...in fact not a single team has even had discussions with the Broncos and the Broncos are not currently shopping him. The last thing they want to do is have their hand forced and set a bad tone in the locker room as Cutler already whined his way out of Den.
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It's not that Trent can't get them the ball, it's that the receivers aren't either where they are supposed to be, quit on the route or aren't looking for the ball(Parrish, Reed).
hahahaha...you are kidding right? Please explain the plethora of wide open people in routes that Trent doesnt see to check down going back to last season and this preseason...
Not to mention, you can see right there in the game that he doesnt KNOW where to go with the ball, is late on his decisions, and waits to a person is open rather than throw to where he will be once he is open.
And one more request...please explain how you know that the WR's arent where they are supposed to be because that statement is literally impossible to make without a 2009 Buffalo Bills playbook...
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I finally sat down and watched the Buffalo Pittsburgh game all the way through. The offensive line is not doing the job, and at least at this moment is crippling every other element of the offensive game. Losing Peters, not drafting an offensive lineman as a first choice are the worst decisions the bills have made in years, and that includes a lot of bad decisions.
It is a wonder Edwards LIVED through that game. TO and Evans could have been open downfield, but TE would have been lying on his back long before he got a chance to throw. I was buying the argument of many that it was TE...but it ain't so. I have to LAUGH that we think bringing in another RECEIVER will help. Randy Moss, Jerry Rice and Andre Reed won't help if the quarterback doesn't have time to throw. Jim Kelly would be on his ass with this line. Joe Montana would be on his ass with this line. Unless we see better play from the o-line i'm seeing four wins as a major achievement.
The line is important, and it has had it struggles sure, but the idea that its been so bad its crippled the offense is exaggerating for one. There are plenty of QB's in this league that could move the ball with this line. First of all, the line has given Trent plenty of time to throw a lot this preseason. Second, with all these weapons and quick short routes, it should be a 3 step drop and throw...Trent holds the ball WAY too long for the drop he is taking because he does not know how to read a defense and isnt quick at progressing through his reads.
What people fail to understand is that there is lots of ways to deal with a struggling line but Trent isnt capable of it yet. For example, go watch the AZ game against us last year (or any AZ game for that matter) and you will see what a team does with a below average line a good QB. A very quick 3 step drop and FIRE, and walla you have Warner picking the Defense apart on short crossing routes all day long (this is also how you beat the blitz)...Trent cant seem to FIRE anything...he drops back and HOLDS then tries to check down...
The O Line has been good enough to score more than 3 points all preseason by the starting unit...Trent has not
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I'm sorry, but if Jackson couldn't find success with an offense like they have in Minnesota, what makes you think he's going to be any better in Buffalo? Just another everyone else's grass is greener than what we have in Buffalo.
What Offense exactly in Minnesota? Outside of the running game, the only real weapon is their TE and he is good not great. For a QB you need more than a running game. They have had one of the worst WR corps in the league since they traded Moss and we have one of the best.
Berrian is good but isnt a good route runner and drops too many balls. Befinitely not suited to carry the team. Favre may make them better because he is good enough to work with what hes got, but a young QB is never going to develop any consistency with that sorry bunch of WR's...
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We currently have one of the most talented WR corps in football going into this year, but stats wont show that becuase we dont have anyone to get TO and Evans the ball...Marshall doesnt change that.
I say package Roscoe and Reed with that 3rd round pick and go get us a QB who can use all these weapons. Owens, Evans, Johnson and Hardy as a 4 wideout corp looks pretty good...add in Nelson and our pass catching RB's to that and a competent QB will have a Pro Bowl year...
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I vote to add TE gets hurt and misses game(s)
done as well as TO meltdown
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at least Edwards' play shut him up about Edwards being so good. Now all he really has is "the crusade continues..."
Exactly, and FYI those quotes in your sig are hilarious, especially the one by Dog14787
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I am not saying anything 1 way or the other, but I find it interesting that our Starting Offense after tomorrow's game may have gone the entire Preseason without playing 1 series together.
Sure, most were there in the Hall of Fame Game, but Butler was still missing from the lineup. T.O. hasn't been there every game since and after tomorrow, it looks like the entire offense would not have played 1 series together the entire Preseason. Based on what Jauron has been saying, it looks like many, if not all starters will not be playing much, if at all.
It may be nothing in the grand scheme of things, but for this team with all the new parts, especially on offense, not having 1 series together, it is definitely worth noting.
True, the problem is are starting unit rarely seems to be on the field. We always have some WR hurt, OL hurt, QB hurt, etc...the guys not hurt need to step it up when we are missing guys.
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Regardless of what they say, I think the No huddle is dead. They need to huddle up just to help the defense.
Yeah, I think the No Huddle and Turk might be a 2 for 1 too...
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Its pretty obvious a lot of jobs are on the line for this team this year if we struggle again, especially to score points. So I was wondering, IF we do come out and our offense continues to struggle like it did last year and in preseason, what do you think will happen first and in what week? Will it be enough and soon enough to help this team make the playoffs this year?
(Edited the choices per request)
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Apparently Sports Illustrated thinks that Trent will be pretty good.
I hope he will; the team and the fans really need this. What I do like is that unlike some, he still has a chance at being good.
I hope so too, Trents jersey is the only one I still own. I said, he wont be starting come mid season IF he plays like this come regular season. Too many jobs are on the line and Fitz has outplayed him all preseason.
The funny thing is though about those articles, they dont actually watch Trent play. They see a high completion % and an ok QB rating and think with all these weapons he will get better. They dont watch the games to see his hesitation and how he fails to make his reads fast enough.
So, I am crossing my fingers that he magically puts it together by regular season and I hope he does well, I just dont have much confidence in that happening after watching the kid play football this preseason and the second half of last year. When a young QB plays with this little confidence it RARELY turns itself around...but I REALLY hope I am wrong
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your feelings are still hurt? get over it, you're a grown boy, it's time to move on.
It's not my fault that this message board calls you "Alphadouche" or "Alpo" or just plain "douchebag" and countless other names. I didn't coin those terms, they just felt compelled enough to call you that.
It's also not my fault that the scope of your discussion is about as narrows as a crickets ****. It's obvious, if you look at your post history where your obsession lies, and I do understand that you can't help yourself, since it is a clinical issue and you just don't have control over it.
But just to refute one of your comments, unlike you, I am able to retain information, I don't have the need to explain repeatedly the same point over and over to the same incomprehensible poster. why don't you check out my post history, and tell me if the majority of my posts consist of "dodging" or "insulting" other posters. While your at it, check out your post history, I think it may serve as a good mirror for you to reflect upon.
Please Magox...no feelings are hurt here other than you fail deliver anything relevant to read when you post responses. And as far as the other nicknames, they come from the hardcore Trent lovers, so who cares...and oh no, a few people dont like me on a message board, what ever shall I do...LMAO at you...
And the funny thing is this Magox...in all those "obsession" threads you like to say (and I told you already that you would respnd that way, that is how predictable you are) you were in them too and responding all day about your man love for Trent...so, that would make you the obsessive one by your definition.
Say what you want, but I almost always include football issues in every post and response...You will, IF and only IF its about something other than Trent because your "Trent is better than Cutler" and "Trent has been great" ships have sailed, so in those threads you just insult those who dont drool over Trents lackluster career so far sicne you have exactly NOTHING logical to put in those threads to make your beloved Trent into what you want him to be. You used to at least try and would even make up stats and manipulate stats to do so, but once half this message board jumped all over you for it to you seemed to stop...
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Why wont any team trade for Boldin? The Cards were asking for a 2nd for him in April. He is better than Marshall and in no trouble with the law/league. The price tag on a new contract would be comparable too.
Boldin is a more complete WR too and one of the top 5 WR's in the league. He is also a model citizen and an incredible teammate. Unhappy with his contract he showed up and played his ass off last year and is this year too. He came back early after an almost career ending injury when he didnt have to last year. He is a leader in the locker room and so loved that his injury last year almost caused Warner to retire.
Why on Earth nobody traded for him is mind boggling...think about how much Dallas gave up for Roy...
However, I am fairly certain that AZ wanted more than a Second for him. They even pubicly said so, but still, even for a first and a third this guy is a steal.
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Doesnt really sound like they are on the "verge" of anything. I am sure a lot of teams are discussing Brandon, but they dont sound like they are on the "verge" of making a move, so I wouldnt worry yet.
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Trent Edwards is our starting QB barring injury, if you can't handle that maybe you should take your Forest Gump pansy arss over to the bears Forum and root for your boy Cutler over there.
Listening to you whining and crying about something that is not gong to change any time soon is pathetic, its preseason, so get real and get a brain.
LMAO if you think Edwards being our QB wont be changing any time soon. You and Magox may be the only ones who thinks he is untouchable. Fitz or someone else will be our QB by mid season (maybe sooner) if Trent keeps playing like this in a MUST win year for everyone...Fitz may even play sooner considering how fragile Trent is.
But I do love how you ignored all the facts in the post again just to tell me to root for the Bears...your posts entertain me
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Seriously, find another team like the bears and go whine and cry on their board.
Wow, why dont you plug your ears, close your eyes, and hold breath while stomping your feet too...I love how you ignore all the football disucssion in the post and respond like this...you are another "Love our beloved Trents sorry performance or go root for another team" people.
Its one thing if you hate on the team just to hate on the team because of the history of losing, but just because someone sees Trent in a different light than you (called "reality") doesnt mean they are not true fans. Seriously, you and Magox should date...hit em up, I am sure he will love to.
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The negativity feeds on itself to the point to where half the things you read have no substance to it what so ever, and basically is the same regurgitated vomit that is communicated on this board over and over and over.
Mr. Pot meet Mr. Kettle
Seriously Magox...how did you even post this with a straight face. I cant remember the last time you actually made a post that wasnt just some insult post to someone who doesnt make 1000 excusese for Trent like you do. You are the most notorious poster on here for dodging points in a post to just insult the poster. Everyone calls you out on it. If I post something about Trent you just make fun of the fact its about Trent and ignore that actual football substance in the post for example.
In all honesty, its like you have absoutely no way to justify or defend your outrageous previous claims of how great Trent is, how much better than Cutler he is, etc, etc that you have resorted to just insulting the posters that dont agree with you to make yourself feel better...You let me know when you actually respond to one of those with an actual post that has something to do with football before you go around getting on the so called "whiners"...
And I already know your played out, tired response to this...you are going to say "you are on a crusade" against Trent just because I have posted in the Trent threads and I happen to be one of the observant ones who doesnt think Trent has been very good so far. But first of all, there isnt much else to talk about for this team right now...the offense sucking has been the headline of the preseason and biggest cancer last year. And when there was other things to talk about I was all over it, like how good the draft was, excitement of T.O. being here, the status of DJ, etc, etc...
But you dont see or respond to those posts (probably cuz you mostly troll to defend your boy crush Trent)...
Would you trade Roscoe Parrish and Josh Reed to Denver for Brandon Mar
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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1. For what its worth, I do have some friends in the league from my playing days in college, both in the office and on the field. I talked a lot about Boldin to them beacuse I wanted him (pre T.O. when Boldin was wanting a trade), and just about everyone I talked to felt like he was the third best WR in football for both what he does on and off the field. You cant look at just stats (which he has great ones) but also what the WR does on plays the ball isnt going his way, when they are running the ball, etc. And it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that just about everyone feels Calvin is a top 5 wideout...
2. Just because we dont have a say top 10 WR by your definition doesnt mean we dont have one of the best WR units in football. First of all, T.O. is still one of the best in football. Second, Evans ranking has slipped because we dont have a QB who can get him the ball. When JP was here, Evans was considered a top 15 and even top 10 by some WR because he was far more productive, and JP SUCKS.
Look at Randy Moss, he was considered washed up and outside the top 20 in Oakland, but then his first year on a team who can get him the ball and he broke single season recieving records. If you put Evans in Phi, AZ, Indy, NE, etc he would be amongst the most productive in football. Another example...3 years ago S. Smith was considered the best WR in football...Delhomme gets hurt the next year and Smith has a mediocre couple of years and now he is not even in some peoples top 10. A WR is nothing without a competent QB...
3. You literally just posted internet rumors (you know the same ones that had signing Vick, Bryant Johnson, Coles, etc) despite official reports saying Den has had no discussions with any teams and dont want to trade Marshall.