Alphadawg7
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It's not that Trent can't get them the ball, it's that the receivers aren't either where they are supposed to be, quit on the route or aren't looking for the ball(Parrish, Reed).
hahahaha...you are kidding right? Please explain the plethora of wide open people in routes that Trent doesnt see to check down going back to last season and this preseason...
Not to mention, you can see right there in the game that he doesnt KNOW where to go with the ball, is late on his decisions, and waits to a person is open rather than throw to where he will be once he is open.
And one more request...please explain how you know that the WR's arent where they are supposed to be because that statement is literally impossible to make without a 2009 Buffalo Bills playbook...
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I finally sat down and watched the Buffalo Pittsburgh game all the way through. The offensive line is not doing the job, and at least at this moment is crippling every other element of the offensive game. Losing Peters, not drafting an offensive lineman as a first choice are the worst decisions the bills have made in years, and that includes a lot of bad decisions.
It is a wonder Edwards LIVED through that game. TO and Evans could have been open downfield, but TE would have been lying on his back long before he got a chance to throw. I was buying the argument of many that it was TE...but it ain't so. I have to LAUGH that we think bringing in another RECEIVER will help. Randy Moss, Jerry Rice and Andre Reed won't help if the quarterback doesn't have time to throw. Jim Kelly would be on his ass with this line. Joe Montana would be on his ass with this line. Unless we see better play from the o-line i'm seeing four wins as a major achievement.
The line is important, and it has had it struggles sure, but the idea that its been so bad its crippled the offense is exaggerating for one. There are plenty of QB's in this league that could move the ball with this line. First of all, the line has given Trent plenty of time to throw a lot this preseason. Second, with all these weapons and quick short routes, it should be a 3 step drop and throw...Trent holds the ball WAY too long for the drop he is taking because he does not know how to read a defense and isnt quick at progressing through his reads.
What people fail to understand is that there is lots of ways to deal with a struggling line but Trent isnt capable of it yet. For example, go watch the AZ game against us last year (or any AZ game for that matter) and you will see what a team does with a below average line a good QB. A very quick 3 step drop and FIRE, and walla you have Warner picking the Defense apart on short crossing routes all day long (this is also how you beat the blitz)...Trent cant seem to FIRE anything...he drops back and HOLDS then tries to check down...
The O Line has been good enough to score more than 3 points all preseason by the starting unit...Trent has not
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I'm sorry, but if Jackson couldn't find success with an offense like they have in Minnesota, what makes you think he's going to be any better in Buffalo? Just another everyone else's grass is greener than what we have in Buffalo.
What Offense exactly in Minnesota? Outside of the running game, the only real weapon is their TE and he is good not great. For a QB you need more than a running game. They have had one of the worst WR corps in the league since they traded Moss and we have one of the best.
Berrian is good but isnt a good route runner and drops too many balls. Befinitely not suited to carry the team. Favre may make them better because he is good enough to work with what hes got, but a young QB is never going to develop any consistency with that sorry bunch of WR's...
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We currently have one of the most talented WR corps in football going into this year, but stats wont show that becuase we dont have anyone to get TO and Evans the ball...Marshall doesnt change that.
I say package Roscoe and Reed with that 3rd round pick and go get us a QB who can use all these weapons. Owens, Evans, Johnson and Hardy as a 4 wideout corp looks pretty good...add in Nelson and our pass catching RB's to that and a competent QB will have a Pro Bowl year...
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I vote to add TE gets hurt and misses game(s)
done as well as TO meltdown
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at least Edwards' play shut him up about Edwards being so good. Now all he really has is "the crusade continues..."
Exactly, and FYI those quotes in your sig are hilarious, especially the one by Dog14787
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I am not saying anything 1 way or the other, but I find it interesting that our Starting Offense after tomorrow's game may have gone the entire Preseason without playing 1 series together.
Sure, most were there in the Hall of Fame Game, but Butler was still missing from the lineup. T.O. hasn't been there every game since and after tomorrow, it looks like the entire offense would not have played 1 series together the entire Preseason. Based on what Jauron has been saying, it looks like many, if not all starters will not be playing much, if at all.
It may be nothing in the grand scheme of things, but for this team with all the new parts, especially on offense, not having 1 series together, it is definitely worth noting.
True, the problem is are starting unit rarely seems to be on the field. We always have some WR hurt, OL hurt, QB hurt, etc...the guys not hurt need to step it up when we are missing guys.
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Regardless of what they say, I think the No huddle is dead. They need to huddle up just to help the defense.
Yeah, I think the No Huddle and Turk might be a 2 for 1 too...
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Its pretty obvious a lot of jobs are on the line for this team this year if we struggle again, especially to score points. So I was wondering, IF we do come out and our offense continues to struggle like it did last year and in preseason, what do you think will happen first and in what week? Will it be enough and soon enough to help this team make the playoffs this year?
(Edited the choices per request)
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Apparently Sports Illustrated thinks that Trent will be pretty good.
I hope he will; the team and the fans really need this. What I do like is that unlike some, he still has a chance at being good.
I hope so too, Trents jersey is the only one I still own. I said, he wont be starting come mid season IF he plays like this come regular season. Too many jobs are on the line and Fitz has outplayed him all preseason.
The funny thing is though about those articles, they dont actually watch Trent play. They see a high completion % and an ok QB rating and think with all these weapons he will get better. They dont watch the games to see his hesitation and how he fails to make his reads fast enough.
So, I am crossing my fingers that he magically puts it together by regular season and I hope he does well, I just dont have much confidence in that happening after watching the kid play football this preseason and the second half of last year. When a young QB plays with this little confidence it RARELY turns itself around...but I REALLY hope I am wrong
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your feelings are still hurt? get over it, you're a grown boy, it's time to move on.
It's not my fault that this message board calls you "Alphadouche" or "Alpo" or just plain "douchebag" and countless other names. I didn't coin those terms, they just felt compelled enough to call you that.
It's also not my fault that the scope of your discussion is about as narrows as a crickets ****. It's obvious, if you look at your post history where your obsession lies, and I do understand that you can't help yourself, since it is a clinical issue and you just don't have control over it.
But just to refute one of your comments, unlike you, I am able to retain information, I don't have the need to explain repeatedly the same point over and over to the same incomprehensible poster. why don't you check out my post history, and tell me if the majority of my posts consist of "dodging" or "insulting" other posters. While your at it, check out your post history, I think it may serve as a good mirror for you to reflect upon.
Please Magox...no feelings are hurt here other than you fail deliver anything relevant to read when you post responses. And as far as the other nicknames, they come from the hardcore Trent lovers, so who cares...and oh no, a few people dont like me on a message board, what ever shall I do...LMAO at you...
And the funny thing is this Magox...in all those "obsession" threads you like to say (and I told you already that you would respnd that way, that is how predictable you are) you were in them too and responding all day about your man love for Trent...so, that would make you the obsessive one by your definition.
Say what you want, but I almost always include football issues in every post and response...You will, IF and only IF its about something other than Trent because your "Trent is better than Cutler" and "Trent has been great" ships have sailed, so in those threads you just insult those who dont drool over Trents lackluster career so far sicne you have exactly NOTHING logical to put in those threads to make your beloved Trent into what you want him to be. You used to at least try and would even make up stats and manipulate stats to do so, but once half this message board jumped all over you for it to you seemed to stop...
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Why wont any team trade for Boldin? The Cards were asking for a 2nd for him in April. He is better than Marshall and in no trouble with the law/league. The price tag on a new contract would be comparable too.
Boldin is a more complete WR too and one of the top 5 WR's in the league. He is also a model citizen and an incredible teammate. Unhappy with his contract he showed up and played his ass off last year and is this year too. He came back early after an almost career ending injury when he didnt have to last year. He is a leader in the locker room and so loved that his injury last year almost caused Warner to retire.
Why on Earth nobody traded for him is mind boggling...think about how much Dallas gave up for Roy...
However, I am fairly certain that AZ wanted more than a Second for him. They even pubicly said so, but still, even for a first and a third this guy is a steal.
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Doesnt really sound like they are on the "verge" of anything. I am sure a lot of teams are discussing Brandon, but they dont sound like they are on the "verge" of making a move, so I wouldnt worry yet.
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Trent Edwards is our starting QB barring injury, if you can't handle that maybe you should take your Forest Gump pansy arss over to the bears Forum and root for your boy Cutler over there.
Listening to you whining and crying about something that is not gong to change any time soon is pathetic, its preseason, so get real and get a brain.
LMAO if you think Edwards being our QB wont be changing any time soon. You and Magox may be the only ones who thinks he is untouchable. Fitz or someone else will be our QB by mid season (maybe sooner) if Trent keeps playing like this in a MUST win year for everyone...Fitz may even play sooner considering how fragile Trent is.
But I do love how you ignored all the facts in the post again just to tell me to root for the Bears...your posts entertain me
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Seriously, find another team like the bears and go whine and cry on their board.
Wow, why dont you plug your ears, close your eyes, and hold breath while stomping your feet too...I love how you ignore all the football disucssion in the post and respond like this...you are another "Love our beloved Trents sorry performance or go root for another team" people.
Its one thing if you hate on the team just to hate on the team because of the history of losing, but just because someone sees Trent in a different light than you (called "reality") doesnt mean they are not true fans. Seriously, you and Magox should date...hit em up, I am sure he will love to.
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The negativity feeds on itself to the point to where half the things you read have no substance to it what so ever, and basically is the same regurgitated vomit that is communicated on this board over and over and over.
Mr. Pot meet Mr. Kettle
Seriously Magox...how did you even post this with a straight face. I cant remember the last time you actually made a post that wasnt just some insult post to someone who doesnt make 1000 excusese for Trent like you do. You are the most notorious poster on here for dodging points in a post to just insult the poster. Everyone calls you out on it. If I post something about Trent you just make fun of the fact its about Trent and ignore that actual football substance in the post for example.
In all honesty, its like you have absoutely no way to justify or defend your outrageous previous claims of how great Trent is, how much better than Cutler he is, etc, etc that you have resorted to just insulting the posters that dont agree with you to make yourself feel better...You let me know when you actually respond to one of those with an actual post that has something to do with football before you go around getting on the so called "whiners"...
And I already know your played out, tired response to this...you are going to say "you are on a crusade" against Trent just because I have posted in the Trent threads and I happen to be one of the observant ones who doesnt think Trent has been very good so far. But first of all, there isnt much else to talk about for this team right now...the offense sucking has been the headline of the preseason and biggest cancer last year. And when there was other things to talk about I was all over it, like how good the draft was, excitement of T.O. being here, the status of DJ, etc, etc...
But you dont see or respond to those posts (probably cuz you mostly troll to defend your boy crush Trent)...
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If they march down the field and score a TD in their first drive, then all of this time you people have spent whining and complaining will have been for naught.
I remember Trents first series he came in against the Pats and marched them down and scored a TD...unfortunately in 23 more starts he has only thrown 18 more and our offense has sucked ever since...so you go right ahead with the I told you so's on that first TD drive and the rest of us will say "I told you so" when the final score is 48-7 and trent is 25-40 for 192 yards with 1 TD, 2 INT's and a fumble.
The best thing about all these "Its only preseason" arguments people are making is that they fail to see the significance in the following:
1. The only that doesnt matter is the final score, but how your first unit produces is pretty important.
2. First unit produced ONE lousy FG all preseason and no TD's
3. Trent has yet to have a good season and look good regularly, so its not like we can just assume he will somehow figure it all out by week 1. Kurt Warner has had a bad preseason, but you alredy know his resume and that he knows how to win in this league and how to quarterback in this league...Trent has accomplished nothing other than to be a key factor in our collapse last year.
4. T.O. is not going to be a happy camper wth this kind of performance from the offense and Trent. He was on good behavior in his first year in Phi and Dal but that was because he had Pro Bowl QB's getting him the ball on Super Bowl contending teams. The minute he lost the SB he hated on McNabb and the moment his statd dipped in Dal he started taking stabs at Witten and Romo. Dont get me wrong, I am glad T.O. is in Buffalo, but if Trent plays like this I just wonder if T.O. can hold it together this season or is he gonna destroy the kid.
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The impression I'm getting is we have intentionally held back on some of the things we are working on with our offense in the hopes of catching the Pats unprepared. I heard rumor of practicing dump offs and screens, but seen none of it against the Steelers. Belicheat is to smart to ever take any team for granted, but in my opinion when it comes to our offense he is in the dark as much as we are right now and that's exactly the way DJ intended it to be.
hahaha...this should almost be in the Trent Edwards excuse thread.
Like I said in the thread about whether or not this is all a smoke screen...You can keep your offense vanilla, rest T.O. and always use the no huddle as a ploy to keep our offense disguised, but you cant coach Trent to play this bad. Trent struggles are real, not a coaching move.
One of the biggest differences between Trent and a succesful QB are this: A succesful QB throws the ball to where the WR will be open and Trent waits until the WR is open. Until Trent can read a defense faster, progress through his read, and more importantly knows where to put the ball before the WR gets there then he will never be able to have any consistency...and thats just Football 101. Because he cant do this he is late on his reads, hesitates, fails to see wide open players, throws the ball late, checksdown too much, and holds the ball way too long. Truth is, Trent does not have a strong enough arm to be forcing passes in there late...he has to get the ball in the air in their break...
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Stoud and Williams have quietly had a very good preseason. With Poz playing much better, I think that the middle of the Bills run defense is a strong as it's been since big Pat left many moons ago.
Dont forget Spencer too, he has had a very good preseason
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Makes me think of this
Monday night, September 14th 2009
After a decent retrun by McKelvin, 1st and 10, ball on the Bills 26
Trent Edwards break from the huddle
Richard Seymour: "Oh crap fellas THEY HUDDLED - THEY F**KING HUDDLED"
Ty Warren: "HOLY F**KING SH*T!"
Belicheck, on the sidelines, slams off his headset: "I KNEW IT! I F**KING KNEW IT. DAMN YOU JAURON. DAMN YOU!"
Brady, standinging nect to Belicheck: : "We are so..."
Randy Moss, next to Brady: "F**ked."
Dick high fives Turk and the Bills proceed to go 3 and out.
Brilliant
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This thought may be on the ridiculous side but it is a thought none the less. But what if TO sitting out, trent looking bad, the no huddle, and the whole offense looking terrible is all part of a vanilla plan so teams (ie the patriots) have little to no legit tape of what our offense is capable of.
Do I truly believe this no. But the thought has crossed my mind. Maybe I'm sick? Maybe this idea has already been posted so I apologize if this has been discussed.
Our offense looking Vanilla, T.O. not playing, and the no huddle are things a coach could do to not show his hand for the offense sure. But Trent looking the way he has is not something we could have coached up. Trent looks just as lost as he did last year. He is still not seeing the field and hesitating to pull the trigger.
You want to know the difference between a succesful QB and Trent: A succesful QB throws the ball to where the WR will be when he is open and Trent waits to see the WR open before he throws the ball. Until Trent becomes capable of reading defenses and progressing through his reads faster, then he will never consistently be able to find his targets or move the ball.
His stank this preseason is not a smoke screen, you can see it in his play...
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using that logic, we could have gotten two 1sts and a 3rd for Edwards. we should have shopped him over the winter
Careful now jwws9999, you are going to confuse dog14787 and give him a headache if you use logic when it comes to his hilarious posts and Trent
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You must scan this site to get your Trent fix. Trent Fuked your mom, didn't he. Thanks for the laughs.
Well, considering he is about the most talked about topic on this message board right now, its hard to miss.
The funniest thing is that you are posting in all the same threads in support of him...so by your logic that must mean you troll the boards to get your Trent fix and to show your loyalty after all those midnight threeways you had with him and Magox...
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Better worry more about your own credibility, the way you contradict yourself, you're your own worse enemy.
In 37 starts Cutler has won 17 games playing for a much better head coach in my opinion. TE and JC have almost identical QB ratings.
I think its safe to say both QB's are for the most part unproven at this point.
LOL...I havent once contradicted myself, you just failed to comprehend certain posts because I didnt Forest Gump them for you...
There is not a single coach, GM, owner, scout, college, high school, or prep team on this earth that would do either of the following:
1. Take Edwards straight up over Cutler
2. Trade us two 1st round picks and a third and Kyle Orton for Edwards like what Den got for Cutler
In fact, I would the majority of the teams in the NFL wouldnt even trade Orton and a 3rd for Edwards...
But you keep going on and on of how equal they are and how you will take Trent over Cutler...just cements your posts as hilarious...
Would you trade Roscoe Parrish and Josh Reed to Denver for Brandon Mar
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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1. Ask any GM in the league and they will agreee Anquan Boldin and Calvin Johnson are better WR's than Marshall too, both on and off the field. Anquan might be the most complete WR in football, and Calvin is just as big, more explosive and a better teammate.
2. His presence would NOT dramatically improve the Bills passing game. We already have one of the Top 5 WR corps in all of football with a QB who can not get them the ball. The funniest thing is that when Randy Moss was in Oakland the fans used to complain about him too...then he goes where someone can pass to his WR's and he sets all kinds of single season records...BAD QB play can make any WR look BAD
3. The Ravens, Jets, and Giants are NOT desperately trying to get him...in fact not a single team has even had discussions with the Broncos and the Broncos are not currently shopping him. The last thing they want to do is have their hand forced and set a bad tone in the locker room as Cutler already whined his way out of Den.