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Though they lost big, the Eagles playing with some no name QB put up 463 yards on New Orleans. The Bills actually have an offense that can finally put some points up on the board. If the loud home crowd can tamper down the Saints point total to the high thirties and the Bills receivers really hit their stride, maybe they could win a barn burner. I can't wait till next week, hopefully it's going to be a fun one to watch.
My hats off to Dick Jauron for at least making this team entertaining again. See how much fun football is when you loosen up?
Its going to be tough to beat the Saints unless we get TO and Evans more involved. AVP has to build on today and figure out how to get them more touches. If Evans and TO didnt have a TD each, you wouldnt have even known they touch the ball. So, yes the TD's were nice (and great throws by Trent), but we need more WR involvement to give us the best chance to beat the Saints.
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IMO, he played his best game as a Buffalo Bill. Too bad TO dropped that gorgeous spiral that hit him perfectly in the hands in stride.
Hey, he's capable of throwing the ball further than 10 yards down the field!
From the parts of the game I was able to see (about 3/4ths of the game), I couldn't really notice him do anything bad.
grade for the game: A
The balls to Evans and TO for TD's were pretty throws for sure, and so was the TO drop. On the other hand, his INT was pretty terrible and the rest of his deep balls werent that accurate. The offense went stale big time in the 3rd qtr and he couldnt seem to move the ball.
So, given the good and the bad today, I would rate it a B. We really should have had more points today, we left a lot of opportunities out on the field, so cant give him an A, but it was definitely worth a B and an encouraging outing to build on.
We still as an offense need to get the WR's more involved (they still didnt get many balls or targets today) if we will have any chance of hanging with that potent offense the Saints have. In fact, if you take away the two TD's to Evans and Owens, they were barely heard from today. So, AVP has to get them even more involved next week.
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Listen, I am not saying they're the late 70's/early 80's San Diego Chargers and I'd still like to see a higher % of Trent's completions go to WR's, I'm just saying from an overall proficiency standpoint, literally 95% of you guys were talking as if the Bills offense was going to be so incredibly inept- I'd just like to hear one person say, wow they've really outperformed my expectations, I was wrong about them. Meanwhile, myself and a few others were insisting all along, hey guys, preseason doesn't really mean all that much, I expect them to run much smoother than they did in the preseason. What can I say, I enjoy saying I told you so. If you would've listened to the talk shows and read on here, you would've thought those were regular season games that they performed poorly in. But I digress. Can't wait for Sunday!
Um, you also need to remember that this isnt the same offense that stunk all preseason that everyone was hating on, we fired our OC and clearly it has a made a difference. So who's to say our offense wouldnt be ineffective if Turk was still here. AVP still needs to figure out a way to get our WR's more involved for this offense to reach its potential, but he clearly has brought some life to it.
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Trent Edwards has now played two really solid football games back-to-back. Can I hear at least one person say, "hey I was wrong, you were right, I kind of forgot that preseason really doesn't mean all that much?" Just one?
First off, its one game...so careful before you start declaring your brillance.
Second, Trent had a pretty good game. His INT was pretty bad, but outside of that, it was a pretty good game. Like several of the posters on this thread said, he earned his nickname over his body of work, and one game wont erase that, but its a step in the right direction and I for one was happy to see it.
Also, hate to break it to you, there was still quite a bit of checking down, especially on 3rd down and in the second half where our offense pretty much was non existence in the 3rd qtr as a whole. But, none the less, his throw to Lee was a great throw, and the 2 to T.O. were very pretty balls too (even though TO dropped that one). So, hopefully the success of gettting the ball down field more today will be something they can build on and keep improving it.
Also, our WR's still didnt have many touches, and they are going to need to be way more involved if we are going to have any chance of hanging with that juggernaught of an offense known as the Saints next week.
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Good news and once againt the front office does what it said it will with contracts...something Peters never learned. They said all offseason extending McGee was a priority which is why we didnt keep Greer.
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I'd say the play calling was great compared to what Schonert used to call, they guy couldn't stop using the shotgun and kept calling for deep passing plays which take 4 or more seconds to develop and Roscoe,Evans and Reed never seemed to be open. Besides the fact that Edwards didn't often have 4+ seconds to throw the ball.
AVP called plays that allowed Edwards to get rid of the ball quickly,instead of trying to find an open receiver deep down field, which helped negate the Patriots pass rush to some degree.
Edwards doesn't throw a lot of interceptions,which is a good thing! I'd rather he take the dump off if he can't find an open receiver.
Some people on this board declare Edwards to slow to read defenses and he fails to find an open receiver, Is this really the case or are the receivers simply not getting open?
Turk Schonert came out in the Buffalo news after last season and stated that once opposing teams took away Lee Evans with double coverage the passing game suffered greatly. My take is once Edwards develops a rapport with TO, the middle to deep passing game will get better.
I'd like to see Parrish and Reed sit, and Steve Johnson get a shot at the 3rd wide out spot, JMO.
See my post a few posts above about this, you didnt answer my question...
I have an additional question for you to answer...in regards to your comment about Trent quesitoning whether or not he can read the defense well enough and quick enough. How is it Ftizgerald, Clavin Johnson, Andre Johnson, T.O., Reggie Wayne, Randy Moss, Torry Holt, and countless other very productive WR's constantly face double coverage in their career and yet still produce at high levels?
I will give you a clue...its not because they burn their double coverage and are wide open all the time...its because the QB's are getting them the ball in the soft parts of the defenses and their OC is calling plays for them to get them open BEFORE the double can get to them or picks to get them single covered.
Case example: Steve Smith was regarded as one of the top 3, if not the best, WR in football. Then Delhomme goes down week 1 and David Carr takes over for the season...guess what, Steve Smith disappears, has a down year and is hardly noticeable in a majority of the 15 games under D. Carr. So, did S. Smith suddenly forget how to get open when facing double coverage, or do you think it was the fact that D. Carr was the difference in this equation?
Ask any defensive coordinator or offensive coordinator and they will say the same thing: The QB and playcalling is AS or MORE important than the WR in beating double coverage at this level.
Guess what Buffalo hasnt done very much in years: All of the above.
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Fair enough, but I like Hasselback. I saw him as a rookie drafted out of BC in a preseason game and knew he would be good. The same thing happened wrt Trent (it was against the Lions). Remember, Hasselback had W. Jones and Hutch, the best left side in football. The Bills didn't build their team this way.
Yeah, that was quite the OL
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And for the record, I am going to go out on a limb here and predict Trents first 300 yard passing game against TB this week. I think AVP is going to make it a point to find ways to get the ball to T.O. and Evans this week and I dont think the Bucs D will be much of a challenge. I mean literally the biggest reason Trent doesnt have a 300 yard game has been because he doesnt use the WR's enough.
But with T.O. not getting much last week, I think they make it a point to do so this week and if he can he should be able to find some good success against a suspect Bucs D.
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If its all the same to you I'll take our starting QB's decision making over your disillusioned observations.
I love it...especially since most analysts have very similar "delusional observations" on what he needs to work on
I have a serious question: Do you think 15 turnovers, only 11 TD's, and barely a 200 yard per game average is great and the production of a QB that has put it all together? Be realistic for one time please...
I ask becaue you over and over again talk about how perfect he is and how he has it all together. In fact, in every thread I have seen you in that has somebody point out an area of improvement for Trent (whether it was me or someone else) you argue it and basically say they are crazy and make all these outlandish boasts about him.
I get you dont know enough about football to see some of these things, but just the marginal production, lack of WR involvement, and the second half of last year, you have to realize there are some areas he needs to improve on...
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Nic Harris and Byrd are too players I am really high on. Harris should get a lot of opportunity now with Poz hurt and I cant wait to see what he can do.
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Keith Ellison seemed like he made 100 tackles on these Brady short passes. How can they better protect the middle against this type of attack? Is it our players or scheme?
Defend it...
We kept leaving it wide open playing so deep off the WR's trying to avoid getting beat deep
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With POZ out of the lineup, we have a much smaller, much lighter MLB in Buggs.
Cadillac Williams ripped some HUGE runs to start the game against Dallas:
Also, Winslow was sparingly used last week, will he also expose our weakened middle?
On one hand I am concerned with Poz out, on the other hand I am very curious to see Nick Harris get in the mix and see what he can do. I am pretty high on him...
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I, too, would like to take this opportunity to apologize if I have insulted anyone with my insight, clever wit and outrageous charm. It isn't easy being me and if you pack of losers understood the heavy burden I carry you would get off my back and take a good, long look at yourselves and how wrong you are when you compare your minuscule brains and stupid opinions with my own. So, please, accept this heartfelt apology and hearty handshake.
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More thought waves goes through Trent Edwards mind in one play then you will have in a lifetime.
1.) If TE doesn't read defenses well, why do you think his audibles were successful, you think he's guessing.
2.)I didn't see Trent Edwards holding the ball to long against the Pats.
3 and 4 is pure speculation on your part, in reality TE is just smart enough to take what the defense gives you and not throw into double coverage.
Its so hard to even respond to your posts sometimes...
1. Do you understand what a QB does when he reads a defense? I am not even talking about an audible. I am talking about when he drops back to pass he has to understand the coverage and know where the soft spots on the defense will be so he can throw the ball to the spot where his guy will be open. Trent holds the ball too long because he doesnt recognize where the open guy is going to be fast enough.
2. Then you clearly didnt watch the game, at least not without your homer goggles.
3. This is not speculation...if you had ever played football maybe you could see it better. Go back and watch the highlight of Bradys throw. Watson is literally blanketed at the point of Brady's release because he is not throwing to Watson there, he is throwing to where he knows he will get behind the coverage based on the how the play is developing. Trent just isnt good enough this area yet, and thats ok, doesnt mean he cant get better...
Do you know the biggest reason college QB's fail in the NFL? Because they cant do what I just said in #3...the game is much faster in the NFL and way more complex.
4. Yes, four is speculation and my opinnion, but its a common oppinion.
None of this means he is a terrible QB...it means he is still a developing QB who needs to improve in other areas. You just seem to think he is perfect already.
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Where I strongly differ with you about is what I think to be your over emphasis on the qb position.
Matt Hasselbeck quarterbacked a team to a superbowl? Do you think he could have taken the 08 or 09 Bills to a superbowl? Yet, there is little reason imo to believe that Trent cannot, or will not turn out to be in his class.
In your posts, you do go after Trent quite a bit. That's OK. Most of the people who do this are the old JP crowd and that's OK too. I however think that Trent is pretty good and will get better. He will not beat teams alone very often ala Elway, but with help and coaching, again imo, he is up to the task of leading the Bills to wins.
I was aloof to the idea of the no-huddle, but I am warming up to it because I would rather see a smart guy like Trent making decisions than a dumb coach. Hopefully Van Pelt isn't dumb.
I was not a JP guy...I think he was mismanaged and may have had a better chance somewhere else under better circumstances, but I never though he was very good here either.
As far as your question about Hasselbeck, he really is a better QB than you give him credit for and very much like McNabb he has been a victim of little talent at WR most of his career. His only good WR was Darell Jackson and he was consistently hurt and hasnt been there in years. I dont know about the SB, but I would bet everything that we would for sure had made the playoffs last year with him at QB.
I never said Trent wont ever get us there, I never said Trent will never get any better. All I have said was his play thus far hasnt been nearly good enough and pointed out what his weaknesses are. That doesnt mean he cant grow and over come them. The problem is, the moment you say his play has been subpar the crazy's come out with these outlandish claims of greatness.
The true difference between me and you is that you have a much higher degree of confidence that Trent can get us there. I get you totally think he is or will be good enough for us to get there, and I have no problem with that. But you are also not making claims this guy is amongst the best QB's in the game like many people here when he has yet to do anything noteable in the NFL.
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To AVP, great play calling, cheers ! What a difference in the play calling, nice job.
To the new O linemen, Cheers!
Great job on MNF. All off season I've been crying about the O line changes and worrying about how long Trent Edwards would stay upright. Those young guys on the line played their butts off, nice job!Gotta tip my hat to Dick Jauron and offer up a
I honestly didn't think the Bills would be that prepared and play as well they did, all three phases looked good. One day lady luck will stop kicking the Bills in the crotch and let them win games like that MNF game,what a heart breaker.
Trent Edwards needs to work on the 2 min drill a bit, Jim Kelly was a master at that and so is Tom Brady. Clearly Edwards is not there yet and he really needs to focus on the receivers at the sidelines and just getting first downs, instead of trying to get it deep.
Lastly,I know it will happen at some point, perhaps Edwards needs more time to develop a rapport with TO but he really needs to TRY and get the ball to TO every chance he can, I don't care if TO has 6 players covering him and Evans, Reed and Parish are wide open, throw TO the ball!!!!
I get the cheers for the O Line and DJ, but dont you think AVP failed to make any adjustments in the second half in order to get our most dangerous weapons involved in Owens and Evans?
I mean, dont get me wrong, AVP had the O looking better than it had, but still, our entire offense was dictated to us by NE and you wont win many ball games when you let that happen. Once it was crystal clear that Trent wasnt going to push the ball down field to our double covered WR's, AVP absolutely needs to adjust and start bringing the WR's in on quick slants, curls, crossing routes, picks, etc so Trent can take a 3 step drop and fire to them BEFORE the double team gets there.
You show me a coach that doesnt adjust at halftime when something isnt working in your gameplan and I will show you a coach that just lost the game. I know, I know we were ahead, but guess what...If Leodis downs it in the endzone and we dont get a first down (something we werent getting many of) then NE gets ball back with good field postion, more than a minute and a half and one time out still...the game was far from over even if Leodis kneels which is why BB kicked off instead of onsided it. The reason being, our offense only managed 17 points...we need more production and that starts with getting out WR's into the game.
That being said, AVP did call some nice plays on screens and runs...not complaining there. He just has to learn to adjust to the D to get your stud players involved. Hopefully that was a learning lesson and he makes those adjustments in Game 2. In fact, I hope we come out of the gate like that...
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SouthGeorgiaBillsFan
Yeah, there are quite a few, he is one of the worst.
Dog14787 has made a lot of outrageous claims, Magox has, wildrabbit has, and dozens more...
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Don't worry. He'll be back as soon as Trent tosses a couple picks.
lol...lets be clear...I still have all the same criticisms of Trent...
1. He doesnt read the D well enough yet nor nearly fast enough
2. He holds the ball too long
3. He waits until a WR is already open instead of throwing to the spot where the WR will be open (see Tom Brady's throw to Watson on his frist TD Monday night if you dont know what I mean) which is why he struggles to get the ball down field.
4. He seems to either doubt his arm or his read and hesitates or just doesnt pull the trigger too often.
None of that has changed. But just because I see those as holes in his game doesnt mean I want him to fail. It simply means, in my book, he hasnt been good enough yet and for him to be able to get to the next level those are areas he needs to improve. Mondays game was encouraging because he showed some confidence out there again. But honestly, those trouble spots I just mentioned were still very apparent in the game.
My original point of the thread was that Heels pointed out that with all the gibberish on this board about how Trent walks on water, getting involved in every thread pollutes the board, and I dont want to do that. But that doesnt mean I wont still discuss him in a thread or two as I will still hold Trent accountable, just the same as I would do with any other player on this team. And I will praise him when he does start to put it all together, just like I did this week when I said he had a good outing.
If someone wants to have a logical discussion fine, I am all ears, but please people need to stop trying so hard to crown a guy king who has never passed for 300 yards, never thrown more than 11 TD's in a season, never had a full season with less turnovers than TD's, never beat a winning team, never gotten us to the playoffs, never led this team to a winning record, and has yet to live up to the hype.
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Give the ball to any offense on your own 30 yard line and it normally results in points unless they go backwards.
Uh, one, they needed MORE than a FG, they were down by 5...two, Brady threw a strike almost 30 yards into the endzone.
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Glad I decided to look at this one particular post. So show me where I did anything more than agree with a particular post about taking what the defense gives you and one about formations.
Thought you were going to waste folks time with your personal crusades anymore, yet you fabricate something to keep supporting them, brilliant moron.
Get a brain Alphaprick
fabricate what? show me one post I made anything up? just one...
I am not on a Trent crusade here, I am just going along for the ride in this wildly entertaining thread...
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i could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure that play didn't score any points for the patriots.
Thats too complicated for them to understand Bizell...
I still laugh everytime I see those quotes on your sig by the way...Dog provides so many priceless gems...hey Dog, so much for "TO is going to have a real hard time finding fault in Trent" huh as he already did after the first game as TO said the same thing the rest of us said. And that was Trent missed some opportunities and needs to get the ball down field. Then Trent confirmed those faults himself...
Nothing against Trent, it was a game to build on, but TO and Trent seem to both agree Trent is missing chances downfield, and thats all the rest of us have said...
More importantly though than Trent is AVP needs to make adjustments to get the WR's in position where Trent feels comfortable hitting them...I think the film this week will show them where they can make those adjustments and I expect a much more effective offense week 2...
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JOHNNYFAIRPLAY quote recently: I hope you took that bet because NE is going to winn by minimum 21 points. This game is going to be very very ugly.
Just like you do
lol, everyone in america thought the Bills were going to lose big Monday night, they surprised everyone. So are you saying anyone who didnt predict a near Bills win knows nothing about football? Because if so, then that means just about every analyst, scout, odds maker, etc in the world knows nothing about football...geezus, you are priceless
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Then give up already, geesh
I love that the only person Southgeorgia has gotten to support his hilarious and insane claim is Dog14787 who might be the only other poster here as out there and delusional as him. Skooby provides more truth and intelligent conversation than the both of these two combined, and that aint saying much.
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I wouldn't take it as that. I am conceding that my line of reasoning is simply beyond you, because if you think Tom Brady was throwing down field frequently you clearly were not watching the same game that I watched. You can't just make up scenarios to support you position and the expect me to offer a valid rebuttal. Basically, if you offer even a shred of valid logic, even if it is smothered in BS, I will make a rebuttal. But when you try to make a point based on a scenario that never happened, then I don't even bother trying to offer a valid response.
And for the record, my insults to the intelligence of other members of this forum are almost always in response to insults to my own. The exception is Alphadawg, whom I insult at every opportunity just because of the unending litany of BS that spews forth from his keyboard.
WEO and yourself and growing dangerously close to flame-on-sight status.
Hey Einstein, both of Bradys TD's were down field up the seem to Watson...so who gives a flying rats arse how many times, he threw TWO touchdowns throwing DOWN field...He WON the game...He completed 74% of his passes while thorwing 53 freaking times...nuff said...
A Few Thoughts About The Game
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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If you carefully watch the replay, the defender has his hand on the ball as Lee is catching it and knocks it away. It was not a drop by Lee, it was incredible defense. I watched the game on a 100" HD projector and you can see the defenders hand knock the ball away as Lee is getting his hands around the outside of the ball.