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I dont get the Worthy love. Why cuz he ran in no pads in a straight line really fast? There are big WR's running blazing sub 4.4 fortys this year, its insane. Yet people are enamored with a stick figure who weighs as much as my 10 month old son in Worthy? For me, he is the classic overdrafted guy because he wowed in the 40. Cannot fathom how a guy who is 6'1" but only weighs 165 pounds after a huge meal is supposed to hold up to WR1 type volume in the NFL. He is nothing compared to Tyreek Hill despite seeing so many people comparing them. They are both fast, thats it. Hill is tank for his size and is maybe the best deep ball tracker of his generation and a rare case of someone with the ups and strength to play a foot taller than he is. Meanwhile, the wind in Buffalo might blow him off his route lol. What makes you so sure Leggette is an improvement over Gabe Davis? Because is 40 time is faster? Im not saying Leggette is a bad prospect, but the negatives/concerns on Leggette are all still there after running fast at his combine. Poor footwork, lack of acceleration and burst off the line to gain separation, is more of a strider so takes a while to get up to his top speed and lacks short area explosion, etc. I mean if I was to write down all the issues with Gabe Davis I would write all those verbatim. Doesn't mean Leggette cant put those concerns to rest and improve on them, but at pick 28 this team needs a WR who is a threat at all 3 levels of the defense, someone who can replace Diggs at some point as WR1. At 28...If I am Beane, I am all about getting Thomas or Mitchell as the top 2 priorities, and willing to make a small trade up to get one. If the trade up doesn't work out, and both are gone, I would take McConkey or make a small trade back and pick up an extra 3rd where I can still take a WR after the trade down and have an extra 3rd to double up on another WR that slips in this deep draft or even package with another one of our picks to move back up and get another one. ' If we traded down say within 10 spots: Could still potentially land McConkey (although I seriously doubt he gets past KC), Legette, Pearsall (crushed his combine and moved himself up in the draft), or someone like Franklin or Coleman who likely slide a little bit after a few disappointing drills at the combine. With two 2nd's and two 3rds, we could take 2 WR's in those 4 picks with great value and still grab someone for the DL and the secondary. As I said in another post, my way too early prediction: Bills make a small move up to land one of Thomas or Mitchell. After the combine, I really feel like these two guys grade out very closely to the big 3 and are true WR1, attack all 3 levels of the defense, type prospects. Armed with 10 picks, I think Beane is willing to pull the trigger to get one if need be. Furthermore, with the cap suprisingly higher than anticipated, I think Beane might be a little more aggressive in terms of filling holes in FA...not high priced spending...but filling enough holes so that he can use some of his draft picks to move around the draft to get the young talent he is targeting and not hit the draft feeling like he cant spare the picks to fill holes.

Obviously, if 6 WRs are taken before our pick then it is certainly the big 3 of Harrison, Odunze, and Nabers and then I think it is fair to say its most likely Thomas, Mitchell and probably Worthy after they all lit the combine up. As for your list of guys we must take at 28 if even one of them is there...I don't share that opinion with either Worthy or Legette at 28. Worthy screams combine overdraft and likely disappoints at the next level (in terms of being a WR1) with his very slim frame. I just can't see him as a WR1 with a heavy target load and holding up at the next level. Personally, I am not taking Legette at 28 either as IMHO he won't be the BPA at 28 no matter how the board realistically falls. While he had a stellar combine for physical measurements, it doesn't change his weaknesses are poor footwork, lack of short area acceleration and burst, and is more of a strider to get up to speed. Like if I was to write a weakness section for Gabe Davis, it would say the same things. The only ones on your list I would take at 28 are Thomas and Mitchell, but again, this was about 6 WR's already being gone, and that would mean these two are not on the board. For the record, if one of these two are, Beane runs to the podium IMHO. So at 28, the guys after the first 6 are off the board start grading a lot closer to each other and will greatly vary from board to board the order. You have guys like McConkey, Legette, Franklin, Pearsall, Coleman, etc. Personally, I would take McConkey if both Mitchell and Thomas are gone, but who should go next will vary greatly based on who you are talking to. This is where maybe there are 2, 3, maybe even 5 guys Beane likes at WR still here and why I could see him maybe making a small trade back, say within 10 spots or so and adding another third round pick and still getting a guy he wants. What I do know, is that Beane will not trade back if a guy he covets is there, or if there is only one guy he covets left at 28 and he is getting closer to our pick, I can see Beane going up and getting say a Thomas or Mitchell in a small trade up. My way too early prediction: Beane makes a small trade up within 5 spots of our pick to get either Thomas or Mitchell.

He would likely compete for that Ty Johnson role.

id almost rather move back if 6 go before our pick How many Super Bowls did Atlanta win with Julio Jones? How many years did Atlanta have a great offense and bad defense because they had no talent on defense and struggled to even make the playoffs or flat out missed the playoffs? Julio Jones trade is not an example of a success story when the goal is a SB win and sustained SB contention.

Multiple of those guys will be there at 28, so why would you trade up?

As someone who has been high on Shakir going into the draft, pleaded to take him in the 3rd even and was ecstatic when we managed to get him in the 5th, and has pounded the drum for him since he got here, especially earlier this year and all last offseason...I will say the following: Shakir is more than just a slot WR. All the things commonly said about Shakir are the same things everyone said about Cooper Kupp coming out of college. Kupp was seen as a slot guy that could play some outside, but was more of a slot guy and would likely need to move around outside and inside to find ways to get open. Shakir is faster than Kupp too, and they are close in frame and weight with Kupp being an inch taller and 4 pounds heavier. Im not saying Shakir is going to put Kupp like numbers up, just saying it is a mistake to pigeon hole him as just a slot WR in a Cole Beasley style role only. No doubt we are drafting a WR and I expect it to be early and someone with WR1 type potential to learn from Diggs and eventually replace him. But I think Shakir is going to prove to be a dangerous weapon for us this year along with Diggs and Kincaid. Now add in at least 1 rookie with WR1 type potential, and suddenly we not only got a great offense this year, be we got 3 or more young pieces to continue to build around in the post Diggs era with Shakir, the rookie(s) this year and Kincaid.

This is what I said would likely happen when people were worried a while back about Beane's comments. His contract was just too easy to cut for cap issues, he was always going to need to be cut, but I do think they would still bring him back cheaper if he wants to be back and compete in camp.

This has Sammy Watkins vibes. We traded up to get Watkins in a WR rich draft, that was a mistake and even though he was the #1 WR prospect that year, he saw guys go after him that dwarfed his on field production. There is no one in this draft I would make a big move to get...The ONLY position you do that for is QB. Any other position is a colossal mistake IMHO. I could see us moving up to like low 20's or something where the compensation is more reasonable, but only if a guy they covet is there who they have a significantly higher grade on than who might be there at 28. I think its more likely we stay at 28 and wouldn't even be surprised if we traded back a little bit and picked up some extra draft capital if there was say a handful of guys they liked at 28 still on the board.

Not meeting him at the combine does not rule him out with us. They already met with him at Sr. Bowl. So yeah, if they are on him it would make sense to not show too much interest and not meet him again at combine. Not to mention, there are a lot of picks in Beane's pocket this year, so they probably want to meet with as many different players as they can too. Personally, its hard to tell this year because the WR position is so deep, it is difficult to identify what Beane's board might look like. If Beane say has only 4 guys with first round grades (say: Harrision, Nabers, Odunze, Thomas) and three of them are gone and one is left on the board as we enter the 20's...then I think its quite possible Beane looks at a small trade up to ensure he gets his guy. Now even if he has them as the top 4 but has a clump of guys he would still take at 28 closely graded behind the 4th guy (Thomas in this case), then I think he probably stays put and lets the draft come to him unless a crazy run of WR's happens ahead of us even after Thomas is gone. Given the depth of the draft, I think it's more likely we stay put and let the draft come to us because of the depth of the position likely has guys they expect to be there when we pick that they like. And to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Beane made a small trade down into the 2nd if there were several WR's on the board he wants, especially if it netted him an extra 3rd this year and maybe double up on WR in the first 3 rounds.

I agree with that, and if you read my original post a little bit prior, first thing I said is that the thing I hate about this draft is that KC is gonna get a good WR prospect too. Im just saying, of all the WR's I fear the most about going to KC its Ladd. He is the kind of player that could flourish in a system like that. I personally think he is one of the most complete WR's in this draft and not only does he have one of the highest ceilings, but he also has one of the highest floors and is on of the safest bets to at least be a quality player opposite Rice. But yes, getting OUR GUY, the one we feel is the best fit for us, is the top priority. I do think that if Thomas is on the board he would be the pick, but I am skeptical he gets to us without a trade up. If he is gone, then Ladd and Mitchell I think are the two most likely choices. I would not rule out a 2nd WR in the 2nd, but I think they would have to have him as the clear BPA and just love the guy given the amount of holes we need to fill and the overall depth of the WR position in this draft. Beane does go BPA, but he has also repeatedly said they also weigh depth of said position in the draft if the rankings are close. So if say a DT, DE, or S is there in the 2nd that is closely graded with the WR that is BPA, he almost certainly goes that direction and look to add another WR later possibly. There are going to be good WR's found in this draft on day 3 no doubt.

Honestly Ladd McConkey landing in KC terrifies me. I really think this kid has a Cooper Kupp like ceiling and a very how floor. He is who I want at 28, although I wouldn't be upset with Mitchell either. And if Ladd makes it past us, I would bet good money he lands in KC as he would be a perfect fit there as well and that isn't going to be good for anyone.

Here is what I hate about this draft… There are going to be multiple exciting WR prospects on the board when we pick and one of those is going to land with KC…and I’m worried that it’s going to be Ladd who I love in this draft and will go on to be a stud in KC. I think Thomas would be the pick if he made it to us, but I think he goes before our pick. So my pick is Ladd or AD. I’d be happy with either, but I have a stronger feeling about Ladd who I think has a lower floor than many of the other WRs with one of the highest ceilings in the draft.

I think it’s great and doing exactly what it should do.

I mean this is their job. Someone has to pay their salaries to do it. I think the issue is that the main public doesn’t understand how much it costs to make content and to keep getting that content there has to be some sort of monetization of that content or they won’t be able to keep making it.

Not only do I think WR will be early, but I also think they are likely going to add a 2nd one on day 3. Yup, I think this was obvious to most While I agree he is not a lock, I also wouldn't read too much into the language. I mean his phrasing makes sense the way he said it given the events he was discussing were past tense as in what he brought to the team this past season after we traded for him. Beane was clearly talking about the impact he made, which was in the past, hence the past tense type phrasing. Now there is no ignoring the Bills cap situation and the cap savings, but Bills also gave up a quality pick to get him that felt like it was more than a 1 year rental. We also have big question marks in our secondary as it is with Hyde gone, Tre coming off a 2nd major leg injury (potential cap casualty cut himself), Benford oft battling injuries, and Elam still unproven. Then there is Poyer who himself could be cap casualty. So if I had to guess today, I still think the more plausible scenario is they extend Rasul and let him stabilize the cornerback position. I wouldn't be that surprised if they did cut him for cap savings, but I think between what we gave up for him and the value he showed on the field, keeping him on an extension makes more sense to this secondary. I would cut Tre before I would cut Rasul, and I love Tre, but 2 major leg injuries and still have no idea how he responds to this second one gives me less confidence than if Rasul was out there. Yeah, I think you nailed that description based on what he said. I totally agree on this too as I do think Spencer gets extended, and OL I think would only come into play late in the draft, if at all, given how this group played last year and how many other holes this team needs to fill.

But the cap isn't real...as so I have read on this board lol

Maybe you meant this for someone else, because I have said all along we are going to likely sign one, possibly 2 vet WR FA's. What I have said is I do not think we will be signing any of the top WR targets like a Mike Evans that gets mentioned so often here, unless of course one of them wants to play here cheap for a ring. But Mike already has a ring, so I doubt he goes anywhere cheap to chase a ring. The impact player at WR is going to be someone we target via the draft. And I do think its possible we draft 2 WR's given that this is a rich draft, Diggs is getting up in age, and any vet FA signings are likely to be short contracts.

Maybe I misunderstood you. I read your post as if you were mocking people for picking other players to patch holes during FA rather than sign a big time WR. And my counter to that was to that is because this is a WR rich draft and we are much more likely to pursue that big WR upgrade in the draft than FA. Although since then, the cap came out even higher than expected, so maybe it makes Beane more interested in a pricier WR FA. But still think it’s most likely gonna come from the draft.

You can't catch what isn't thrown to you. Is it really on Knox that Dorsey had no idea he was on the roster until late in 2022 when suddenly he remembered Knox was coming off a 9 TD season (where he was also woefully under used by Daboll) and started using him the redzone again to a high degree of success. But he was too often relegated to trying make up for a bad OL and used as an extra blocker here. And now that we have a better OL, we also have Kincaid whose specialty is as a receiver, so it again keeps Knox value more often as a blocker. His contract made sense when he got it if he was going to be a fixture in the offense, but his contract now currently exceeds his current role which is more heavily as a blocker with Kincaid here. Look at SF. Kittle wasn't producing anything in 2022 with Jimmy G at QB because Jimmy was a statue and Kittle was constantly used as a blocker. Then Purdy comes in and suddenly has pocket mobility and escape the rush on his own and poof Kittle becomes a major weapon in that offense has a big finish to the season. I am not saying Knox is on Kittle's level, but I am saying Knox is capable of much more statistically as a receiver if he could just get the targets. He could easily be playing up to his contract from an offensive stand point if he was in an offense that actually used him consistently as a weapon and gave him targets. Regardless, because of his current role and reduced targets combined with his contract, I do think Knox could be a trade target. They can bring in a much cheaper TE to fill a heavier blocking role in FA or even draft one. Unfortunately for Knox, his contract is now expensive for what his likely role will be again this year.

You have this wrong, at least for the bulk of this board because you are missing the point that most people understand Beane can't really (and likely isn't) spending big on a WR in free agency, and that we will certainly address WR in this deep WR draft where we have like 10 picks to land probably 2 prospects with one early and another in the mid rounds. We don't have the cap luxury of going out and paying a top FA WR. So its not at all that people are concerned with "patching" holes to ignore WR, its that we can patch a lot of those other holes cheaply in FA elsewhere and aggressively address WR in the draft as well as other young talent to hopefully compete or develop into starters at those other patch spots. And not only is that what everyone else is thinking, that is almost certainly exactly what is going to happen. Beane is not spending big on a FA WR...we are MUCH more likely to sign someone like a Noah Brown than a Mike Evans then go get a WR in round 1 or 2 depending on how the draft falls and probably another between rounds 3 and 5 again depending on the board falls. Free Agency should be to "patch" holes then you look for your young big upside talent in the draft and hope you find someone that both contributes this year and develops into a succession plan for Diggs.

Give me: DT DaQuan WR Noah Brown Then grab some combo of another DT a DE and a S.

Hate this. We need a new punter and used a draft asset to get him. Could have easily brought him back and got value on that draft pick still. And having a guy with his leg and athletic ability in poor weather conditions would have also been nice. Does it mean we are doomed…no…just a clear missed opportunity to add young competition cheaply at a spot we need more competition and recoup some value from the pick we invested in him. The rub is that he is with Chiefs now and will get his shots at getting back at the Bills for not at least bringing him back after he was cleared.

3/17 isn’t gonna change anything because the neither the Bills or Diggs wants a trade. So unless something major happens behind the scenes, Diggs is gonna be a Bill in 2024. Not to mention this team can’t afford to take the dead cap hits regardless when the dead cap hits.

My condolences to the family, this is a horrible loss and my heart goes out to the family. Donated as well.

Evans would be interesting, but I don't think they are going to go after any of the bigger WR names. Not only do we have a WR1 still in Diggs, but Shakir is set to take a large WR role this year and Kincaid showed he was worth the hype. Between those 2, we already have a strong first 3 reads for Allen. This draft is very WR heavy, so I think they are going to go after a rookie who can start opposite Diggs early in the draft with the potential to become a WR1 to succeed Diggs, then add another prospect somewhere else in the draft. I do think they will still bring in a vet, maybe 2 and Samuel is the type of Vet I can see them bringing in (not saying it will be him specifically).