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Oh... and the Bills are not the 2009 version of the Arizona Cardinals. You drink that koolaid and you enable the Bills continuance of delivering a substandard product on the field.
Nobody here said that, the caller on the radio show said that...all I said was that I was didnt care that he said that as he was just a fan calling in on a radio show...
By the way, you put Lynch in NY this past year behind the jets line and respected passing game with Farve, and he too puts up those numbers and probably exceeds them...the ineptness of our QB and our O line diminishes his stats...
Hard to avg 4.5 or more yards a carry when you are being nailed at the line of scrimmage or in the backfield constantly...
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By the way, to be succesfu in the NFLl you need the threat of the other...you cant pass consistently (generally) with no threat of the run, and you usually cant run consistently without much threat from Passing game...how often you run or pass has little to do with that...
Case in point is the Eagles. They pass more than they run (rare but true), yet teams still fear Westbrook in the running game and have to respect it because of how explosive he is. So even though they run less than 50% of the time, teams still have to respect the run game as if they ran more because on any given play he can burn you. In fact, most teams key on him to beat the Eagles even though they pass more than they throw.
Again, pass/run ratios dont tell the whole story of what goes on in a game...
By the way...when was the last time you saw a team go to the running game during the two minute drill or late in a game while they are down? Never...
It's hard to win in this league if you can not pass the ball because that means you struggle to win games you fall behind in or that are high scoring. To be able to rely on the running game as your primary offense only and still consistently win, you need a DOMINANT defense as the score needs to stay low as these teams cant play from behind.
Case in point...NY Giants...after they lost Plax they lost four of five games and were "one and done" in playoffs. They no longer had the passing threat as Eli and passing game struggled and teams keyed on stopping the run game
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NO kidding THE pass is just as important. Tt was evenly balanced and thats the point. You were the one stating that you only run the ball because the receivers suck. Thats not true. Good teams are evenly balanced which both you and alpo dawg don't seem to understand. If you doubt that Im telling the truth, look it up yourself clown.
All I said was that your post about Bills running 52% of time when they had K-Gun offense and Thurman was lame because it had little to do with this topic...
I dont care if you run 70% or 30%...its not indication of effectiveness...percentages have nothing to do with success is my only point, and running 52% of the time is low to begin with...
You also have a much higher yards per attempt in the passing game than the run game, so even if you run more doesnt mean it is your bread and butter either...
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Really? In the past 5 seasons, Jones has rushed for nearly 6,000 yards and his yards per rush average has been @ or near 4.0 (4.0 to 4.3 to 4.1 to 3.6 to 4.5) each season. Who is labeling that kind of production a bust? I don't think he's the greatest back in the league or anything, but to say he's a "bust" is nonsense.
Agreed...no way he is better than Lynch, and I don't even think he is better than our backup Jackson to be honest at this point. However, he was been a starting caliber RB, effective, and solid in Chicago and NYJ. He hasnt been labeled a bust since he got out of AZ and is a good RB, but not the best in our division.
Lynch, Brown and Jackson are better than him in my opinnion...
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I guess you missed the pt. as you always do. By the way, the Bills SB teams of 1990-94 ran the ball more than they passed it, even with Kelly, Reed, Beebe, Lofton, etc. They ran over 52% of the time. Look it up Thurman!
Its rare that a team doesnt run more than 50% of their plays, even on great passing teams...running 52% is still a modestly low running percentage...oh, and they had hall of famer Thurman Thomas to hand the ball to, so why on earth would they not balance out the game, so this is a lame point...
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Is it just me, or does any one else think that Anquon Boldin seems like a Biotch? I think Boldin whines too much, I mean he demanded to be traded, because they offered Larry Fitzgerald a contract offer, over boldin. I think Anaquon Boldin is a tough wide out, but he seems like a cry baby to me. Please correct his first name for me.
If you cant spell his name you shouldnt post about him...lol.
He wasn't upset at Fitz getting paid, he was upset that prior to Fitz getting paid they promised to rework his deal, then went back on that word and did not work with him on a new deal as promised.
Big difference...I would have been upset too, especially when WR's no where close to his skill level like Berrian make more money than him...
He also puts himself at great risk each week with the intensity he plays at and how he constantly goes over the middle. I mean that hit in NY could have ended his career...he has to get the deal while he is worth money and before an injury takes that away...he's not like Moss and runs out of bounds to avoid contact and stays away from the middle of the field...this guy takes a pounding...
You continue to drop the ball worse than Robert Royal with your thread topics...lmao...
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Ok, they are opening up the lines to callers about who will be the 2009 version of the 2008 cardinals...
Some yahoo called in and said that the Bills will be the 2009 version of 2008 cardinals...fine...when he said why, he mentioned several reasons and one of which was that Lynch was best RB in division...fine...no problem with any of this because it was just a call in caller and he's probably a Bills fan so its to be expected...
BUT then, the BROADCASTERS commented back that they felt Thomas Jones was the best RB in the division...maybe I am crazy, but I was shocked...
T. Jones is solid, but to say he is better than Lynch is hard to believe...Put either Lynch or Jackson behind that Jets line and they both would out produce him in my opinnion...
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Ok, they are opening up the lines to callers about who will be the 2009 version of the 2008 cardinals...
Some yahoo called in and said that the Bills will be the 2009 version of 2008 cardinals...fine...when he said why, he mentioned several reasons and one of which was that Lynch was best RB in division...fine...no problem with any of this because it was just a call in caller and he's probably a Bills fan so its to be expected...
BUT then, the BROADCASTERS commented back that they felt Thomas Jones was the best RB in the division...maybe I am crazy, but I was shocked...
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And in 2005-06, Warner started in less than half of the teams games over the two year span. He didn't seem to want to include that.
Well thats why in those years I didnt list Warner first as he wasnt the designated starter...but yes, he started less than 50% of those games in those 2 years which furthers my point that Boldin produced no matter who was throwing him the ball and even when a bunch of journeyman bumbs were passing to him...
He would be a stud here...
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Boldins career and who the QB was...rookie year is 2003 where he was only rookie to make probowl and set rookie recieving records in his first game that still stand today.
2003 Jeff Blake & Josh McCown - 16g, 101rec, 1377yds, 8tds
2004 Josh McCown & little bit of Shaun King - 10g (was hurt), 56rec, 623yds, 1td
2005 Josh McCOwn & Kurt Warner - 14g, 102rec, 1402 yards, 7td
2006 Matt Leinart & Kurt Warner - 16g, 83rec, 1203yds, 4td's
2007 Kurt Warner & Matt Leinart - 12g, 71rec, 853yds, 9td's
2008 Kurt Warner - 12g, 89rec, 1038, 11td.
He produced every year at very high levels while on the field despite never having a consistent starting QB until this year. Every year, there were 2 QB's seeing high number of snaps through the season until Warner finally took the job over for good last year when Matt was hurt.
Jeff Blake? Josh McCown? Shaun King? Matt Leinart? I mean come on, he still produced no matter who was in there! How can anyone say he won't be as affective with Trent throwing him the ball? Oh, and his first year playing with Fitz he still had 102 catches and over 1400 yards in ONLY 14 games despite a QB carousel between Warner and McCown...
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Warner is arguably in the Hall of Fame. Boldin had a career year when Warner came in. Fitzgerald DOUBLED his numbers the season Warner came in.
Calvin Johnson, well he had this year. I wouldn't say he's "made" anything yet.. Did Evans make JP that one year? Lets say that's the 1 of 10
Steve Smith had his career year when Delhomme took charge..and whether you like Jim or not, several of his first seasons in Carolina, he was a premier QB.
Boldin has produced at Elite levels when on the field since his first game and season where he was only rookie to make Pro Bowl and Blake/McCown were throwing him balls. That was 2 years before they got Fitz.
Boldin has produced NO MATTER who was the QB in AZ, and they have all pretty much been bad until Warner took over a season and a half ago...
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I think it would be reasonable in terms of talent for talent. I'm just not sure on how much of an upgrade it would be to our offense. I'm not arguing tha Boldin isn't a great player..all I'm saying is that I think his production would be greatly diminished on our team, with our QB, and with our suspect playcalling..and that's without even touching on the loss of lynch on the offensive side.
Who's stat line is this? 101 rec, 1377 yards, 8 TD's for a season that included a 217 yard performance in the first game of that season? Anquan Boldin and it was his ROOKIE year. Do you know who is quarterback, or should I say quarterbackS were that year? Washed up Jeff Blake and rookie Josh McCown rotating in and out of roster, and that was BEFORE he had Fitz to take pressure off him, NO running game, NO offensive line, and NO tight end...
So, why would you say his production would just drop off here? Where is the logic?
In fact, until Warner he has never had a good QB throwing him the ball, still has never had a running game, and yet ALWAYS been top of the class in production, even when Fitz is out and they key on him...
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I'm not 100% sold on the trade idea, and there's no way in hell it will happen, but it is an intriguing idea.
My point was not "Edwards is great", it was just that using "Edwards is not great" as a reason to argue that Boldin would not be a good pickup does not make sense. Edwards may be good, he may be bad, he may be mediocre, but right now the receiving corps is inadequate.
I think a trade of Lynch for Boldin is absolutely, 100%, an upgrade for the offense, if Jackson stays healthy. But that's a big question mark. It would leave us thin at running back. But then again, as it stands the Bills are under-talented and thin at receiver. So a trade would at least leave the team with a better starting lineup than they currently have.
And yeah, that's an assumption, but it's an assumption based on seeing how Boldin and Jackson have performed in their time in the league. Feel free to disagree, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
I am not very high on Edwards myself, but adding Boldin would be a tailor fit to Trents passing style...short over the middle passes, except now we have a guy that thrives once the ball is in his hands and finds a way to get open.
So, Trent would be better with him here in my opinnion and hopefully will start to show some consistency and expedite his development. Worst case scenario, Trent doesnt develop, in which case we were screwed either way, but it at least it would expedite his departure in that case because if he cant develop with both Boldin and Evans to throw to then he is never going to develop.
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The dropoff is minor?????
How did you come to this conclusion? I would love to have to Boldin, but not at the expense of Lynch.
I can see it now, The Bills QB happens to not throw to Boldin enough (in his view) he starts complaining and running his mouth, then everyone here on this message board will be suggesting that we trade Boldin for someone else.
Lynch has shown heart, dedication, production. He is a keeper, we Build around him not look to shop him.
Yes the dropoff is minor...how did I come to this conclusion? Simple, our running game didnt miss a beat with Jackson filling in for Lynch and has proven to also be a more reliable recieving option and is about the same on picking up the blitz. During the season many were even debating who the better back was...
However, outside of Buffalo, Lynch has more trade value so I say trade him to AZ for Boldin because Jackson is a starting caliber RB in this league, runs just as hard, is more explosive and has better hands to this point. I see the drop off is minor...not saying Lynch isnt a stud, because I think he is, but I also feel Jackson can be as productive, maybe even more when you factor in the fact he has better hands to this point.
Let me ask you this...if Jackson started all 16 games for us this year do you think he would have amassed at least 1200 yards and 10 TD's...case closed on the dropoff issue in my opinnion...
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Genius!!!
Trade Peters, Trade Lynch our two best offensive players...
As much as I would love to have Boldin, I would never think about trading Lynch for him. Maybe 2009 2nd round 3rd round pick and a 2010 2nd rounder.
Lynch right now is the heart and soul of this offense and I wouldnt be surprised to see him be a probowler next year.
I've got a good concept,
Let's build around our stars, not trade them.
Peters, Lynch, Evans and Edwards. These are the one's we need to build our team around.
Boldin tremendously upgrades our WR spot...The dropoff from Lynch to Jackson is minor...so we take a minor (and even thats debateable) hit at RB and MASSIVELY upgrade WR which is a much harder position to fill in the first place...
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What happens if Jackson goes down with an injury in week 2? Bad things man, bad things. That's what.
Sorry man, I hate this logic. What happens if Payton Manning goes down in Week 2? Should INDY be trying to trade with NE to get Cassel or Brady as insurance? You cant pass up a chance to get an ELITE every down player at a skill position like WR just to have insurance at an easily filled position like RB...
One, RB is the easiest position to replace...look around the NFL, they constantly find producers in late rounds or even undrafted at RB...heck, look at Jackson in Buffalo. Two, Oman I think can be a capable backup who never got to show what he can do. Three, even if Oman isnt, we can find another backup in the draft or FA market that could fill in nicely if that was case.
It would much easier to find a competent backup also becasue our Passing game now would command much more respect which in turns opens up the ground game.
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I like this so much, I added it to my signature...lol...
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Again, I love Boldin...but again, this team has a great thing already in Lynch/Jackson..it's arguably our strongest weapon on offense..so why would we want to break it up?
Why? Because being one dimensional with a weak passing game got us a 7-9 record the last 2 years...
The more I think about this, the more sense it makes for BOTH teams...which is probably why it wont happen because it makes too much sense...lol.
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I agree in theory. In practice, however, I'm not sure how much of an impact boldin would have on this offense. We rarely ever go deep, and Trent at times has shown that even when WRs are wide open, he still won't throw to them.
Boldin would be a waste of talent in this offense until Trent improves significantly
IMO.
Thats what is great about Boldin for us, you dont have to go deep to get him the ball. He takes short throws and turns them into long plays, a perfect complement for the type of player Trent is. This guy goes over the middle and is fantastic after the catch...
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I wouldn't want that. While Jackson has been great, I'm not sure how I feel about him starting the entire season. What if Jackson goes down? The combination of Lynch/Jackson completely addresses the RB position with both quality and depth.
I would, however, be willing to give up our 2nd rounder for him.
Look at what Roy Williams fetched...you think AZ trades arguably one of the top 4 or 5 WR's in the game for a 2nd after the fleecing Det did with Roy? I would say a 1st and some change would be the min. Last year, Wash offered Cincy 2 1st rd picks for that head case Chad Johnson, and Anquan is a far better teammate and a way better WR than Ocho Cinco who I wouldnt even list in the top 10 at WR.
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No thanks. I like Boldin, but we'll have to figure out another way to get him.
So, does that mean you think Evans, Reed/Johnson, and Lynch is a better lineup than Boldin, Evans, and Jackson?
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I KNOW this is just speculating and is unlikely to happen, but what else do we have to do right now but speculate and wonder about possibilities right, even unlikely ones...lol
What if we offer AZ Lynch for Boldin in trade this offseason?
Given Boldins conract situation, the money they have in Fitz, and the emergance of Breston, the Cards may look to trade Boldin. Plus, Boldin has stated he would not sign again in AZ as he has felt lied to. Don't know if he still feels the same way now, but that was earlier this year and not that long ago.
AZ has a glaring hole at RB going into next year with Hightower having the worst YPC in the league and not looking like an everydown back and Edge on his last legs and likely gone next year.
We need a Boldin type WR badly and have 2 stud RB's...so, would it make sense to offer AZ Lynch for Boldin? I think Lynch is great, but we also have Jackson who I think is capable of being a really good everydown back too.
What line up would look better...Evans, Boldin, Jackson...or Evans, Reed/Johnson, Lynch?
Its a win win...AZ gets a proven young stud RB, we get a proven stud WR in his prime...fills huge needs with both teams and neither team loses too much given they have capable replacements for the departed players...We can handle Boldins contract demands too given how far under the cap we likely are.
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Yeah, I am new here. Are all of his posts pointless?
Yeah, his posts are generally about as insightful as George W. Bush on WMD's...lol...gotta have at least one political reference on such a historic day right...
But in all seriousness his posts are generally pointless...again much like any Bush speech
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hahahaha...lol...
Just when I think no one's gullible enough to bite...
crayonz +1
I only posted the
because he posted this not once, but twice in an effort to keep the gibberish going...I know he did it to be a smart azz...I have been on here long enough to know better with a crayonz post...
Would you trade Lynch for Boldin?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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The problem I have with your post on this is that you act like trading Lynch would leave us with no running game. I agree full heartedly with how important a running game is...however, trading Lynch does not take away our running game.
Name one thing that Lynch is superior to Jackson at...just one...you can't because there is no area of Lynch's game that is superior to Jackson. Sure, Lynch probably runs harder, but its not by much as Jackson is almsot as tough. In fact, Jackson is actually more explosive than Lynch, and quite honestly, hits the hole a LOT better than Lynch. Jackson also is a better reciever to this point as Lynch tends to drop too many balls.
So, I say again, trading Lynch for Boldin will not result in a loss of a running game in Buffalo, but will result in a superior passing game to what we have now and likely IMPROVES the running game because you MUST respect Boldin at all times and teams MUST also still cover Lee and that translates to more running lanes for Jackson.
If Oman was our only other back who is unproven, I would agree to not trade him. But with a stud like Jackson who is a starting caliber RB, we can take a chance on moving Lynch to get back ELITE talent at a position we need it and that is so HARD to fill...RB's are the easiest skill position to replace anyway...