Alphadawg7
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deep passes generally aren't completed at a high percentage.
Sure, 40+ yards, but in this case we are referring to 20+ yards and thats not a good completion % for 20+ yards, not to mention, he wasnt good at it last year or in preseason either.
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I tend to disagree on this. His long passes are fine when he throws them. He completed 2 against TB. Maybe they weren't perfect, but they certainly got the job done. There are no style points in football. The one to TO he dropped traveled 50 yards in the air and was dead on the money. What else do you want?
Trent has the physical tools to be good. It's a mental thing. As Yogi Berra said "80% of the game is half mental".
He's 2 for 8...how is he good again at the deep ball? Even if TO catches that one he drops, he is still only 3 of 8 (which is not what I call accurate) and he wasnt accurate on the deep ball last year either or during preseason. So I would love if someone could please show me how Trent is accurate on the deep ball when they often flutter and have too much air on them...
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If folks can't put the new rookie O-line and new OC one week before the season started into the proper perspective, not to mention our lack of GM and having an idiot for a HC who let all this happened, by all means lets blame the QB for his lack of protection or the time needed to allow longer pass patterns to develop.
Get some brains people, it all starts upfront with the O-line.
Lets see...all you have done is say how AMAZING AVP is and how he was the answer, now you are using AVP as an excuse?
So, if its the OC and the O Line, then whats you excuse for this exact same showing from Trent last season before the OC changed and the O Line was redone and we had a 2 time pro bowl LT?
I mean how many flip flop excuses are you going to come up with to some how prop up Trent?
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To draft a QB in the top 10, we need to be drafting in the top 10 and the only time we drafted in the top 10 in recent years we already had a QB...the time before that we went for the stud OL guy who busted, but we tried to build the line first...
But keep trying with your conspiracy theories...
Not to mention its no secret we were intent on taking Big Ben but Pitt snagged him first...
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Then he should not be an owner at all. Let’s face it, first round QB’s can change the attitude on the team and can have an impact right away. The Baltimore Ravens and the Atlanta Falcons were two teams that were in dismay a couple years ago. Then when the draft rolled around they picked up Ryan and Flacco. Each of them led there respected teams to the playoffs last year. Flash forward to this year. Even though the season is still rolling, Mark Sanchez and Matt Stafford look very composed and promising in their first year. The main point I am trying to get across, is that I think people under estimate first round QB choices because of Losman. So what we got screwed. Bills fans we have seen what a first round QB can do for our franchise (see Kelly). Honestly I think for this team to go forward we need to take a chance and get a QB next year in the first round, but that’s just my opinion. The scary thing is, I think Ralph Wilson might not shell any money on a first round QB. This is what I would tell Ralph about the money situation. “Ralph, many teams have put money into first round QB’s and seen a complete change in their team,” ““In addition to that, Owners have spent the money to make sure that they are willing to join”. If Wilson replied with a “no I won’t spend money on a first round QB”, then I would reply like this. “Mr. Wilson, why is it that every other owner in the NFL would shell out the money for a first round QB, but you simply won’t”. “What makes you so different from the rest of the NFL owners”? I feel if Ralph Wilson is not willing to shell out money for a first round QB, then he does not qualify as an NFL owner because simply every other owner in the NFL would do it no matter how good they think there QB will do.
Um, what round was JP drafted and didnt we also give up a lot to move up to get him...lol at all these Ralph conspiracy theories...
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Really? He doesn't have tools to work with? What? Do you think the guy is a no talent hack? One thing is not to like him, other thing is to doubt, at this point, the tools he has to work with.
We saw him in the past making every throw and completing them. It's not a matter of poor mechanics or poor arm strength (granted, he doesn't have a rocket arm)
His problems are in his head right now. He has to figure it out fast if he wants to remain a starter.
I didnt say he has no tools, but simply asked for an explanation by the OP who says he has all the tools to be a "premiere QB" in this league...what tools specifically? Its so easy for some to say "all the tools", but 9 times out of 10 they dont even understand what that means and just write it becuase its cliche....You didnt answer the question either....
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Edwards has been sacked ten times already and has trouble converting first downs because of the hundreds of false start penalties in each game. I think he's doing pretty well considering. Some notable QBs with lower yards/completion numbers than Trent:
Tom Brady
Brett Favre
Carson Palmer
If Trent completed that one deep ball to TO for a touchdown, nobody would be questioning his skills. And if the Bills held off the Patriots in week 1, everyone would think the Bills are a contender. Footballs funny like that
hahaha, the what if game...let me indulge you:
If Josh Reed caught 14 passes for 250 yards last week people would see how good he really is...
If the O Line didnt give up so many sacks, it would be considered one of the best units in football...
If Maybin would have had 2 more sacks last week, no one would question his draft slot anymore...
I mean, do you realize how stupid that statement is above where you say "If Trent completed that ONE deep ball to TO for a touchdown, nobody would be questioning his skills."
First off, he did NOT complete it, why, because he over threw him by about 10 yards on a horrible pass...why, because he doesnt throw a good deep ball consistently...
FYI: Trent DID complete a deep ball the previous week to TO and people are STILL saying the same things...why, because ONE pass does not make you great at something. He is an NFL QB, OF COURSE he can connect on some deep passes...the problem is, he isnt very consistent at it and doesnt even have the moxy to try enough. For every great deep throw he makes, he throws about 3 or 4 bad ones, often including an INT or near INT.
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I just don't see the fascination with Greggggg. Why, because his defense held our offense without scoring? If anything, at least Wade "Son of a Bum" Phillips took us to the playoffs...the last such trip of it's kind.
Yes Wade took us to the playoffs the last time we were there...but DJ also won coach of the year with a bad team after going 13-3...does that make DJ a good fit? Nope, so why does it matter that Wade took us to the playoffs once? He also bothced the QB situation up...
Wade is having a hard enough time with a more talented team in Dallas, so how is he our savior in Buffalo?
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Which is why I didn't suggest they make a move now. See how much and how well he plays for the rest of the season and then weigh your options.
Newsflash: He is not going to play anymore this season unless McNabb gets hurt again becuase its more than likely McNabb comes back after their bye this week.
Kolb was awful in every game except his last where he faced a terrible defense...so one good outing and we should trade for him? RJ is that you?
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I think Ralph will surprise many posters here and bring in a big name coach. There are so many to choose from, and their will likely be only a handful of coaching opening this year after all the changes last year.
Holmgren, Cowher, Shottenheimer, Gruden, Shannahan, and Billick cant all coach the Cowboys...outside of Dallas (assuming they fire Wade), we will have the most attractive team LIKELY looking for a coach in terms of talent...
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He is a good QB! Someday, when he gets the coaching he needs, he will become a premier QB. He has all the tools,
Out of curiosity, what are all these "tools" you say he has and on what grounds do you base that he has them? I only ask, because I see this claim of him having all the tools thrown around here like a cigar at a private Bill Clinton "meeting"
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Elway, Marino, Montana would all suck on this team. TE might blow, but how can you tell ? Does everyone remember Aikman in Dallas? He was 14 and 24 in his first 3 years. His rating was 55 and 66 his first 2 years, now he is a HOFer. Trent needs a coach to teach him how to win in the NFL. If he has that and fails then we know he is a bust. I still consider him the best chance we have had at a franchise qb since kelly retired.
Really? Montanna and Marino took over teams with way less talent and worse records than the Bills and had them in the SB almost instantly...why do people insist on saying such outlandish things like this to prop up Edwards?
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Well Ill try to uncomplicate it but its kind of complicated.
Of course other factors could improve the performance of the O, things like better coaching, better effort from TO etc.
But the main reason is this... T Edwards.
More specifically ....
1.He is making his mind up before each play where he's going with the ball.
2.His only deep ball is the fly route which anyone can throw since the read for that is pre-snap.
3.His outlet on all plays is the 2 yard out or "flat" pattern. A pattern that is ripe for a pick 6 sooner or later.
4.As the defense gets closer and tighter he throws shorter and quicker Vs throwing over the top like he should.
5.Every third down goes to Reed. When Reed gets doubled he scrambles or throws the 2 yard out.
6.He hasnt shown the ability or "balls" to look off his first read and look "up" the field for a mid range route.
When you see other QB's pump faking, scrambling and making plays, and 40 year old Brett farve winning in spectacular fashion, how can we say Edwards has what it takes? Really how many mid range throws has this guy ever made? I remember very few and all of them were guys he locked into the whole way, never a second or third option. Where are the 15 yard dig or crossing routes? I never see these or even a skinny post. Even JP threw a nice skinny once a game. It seemed like there was one series in the saints game that they wanted to go to Evans, so it was a 3 yard curl, another 3 yarder and then an incomplete. He just doesnt have what it takes to make something happen if his first read isnt there. He plays QB like a robot IMHO.
Van pelt is a huge improvement but sadly this wont be enough, Edwards just doesnt have it. Great back up though.
Ps TO doesnt help, everytime I see him on a replay he is running 3/4 speed, not looking for the ball, or just plain dropping it. I think he is hurting the team at this point. Throw the ball to Evans for godsake!
Very good points....
Ive been saying the same thing since last season. Trent has this mythical rep about how smart he is as a QB, but its actually just the opposite. He may be a very smart guy (although going to Stanford doesnt make you smart when you were heavily recruited, it just means you can play ball and they wanted you to play ball there), but it hasnt translated to his ability to read coverages or defenses.
He has yet to demonstrate the ability to consistently look off defenders, recognize coverages early enough, throw to where his target will be open (as opposed to waiting for him to be open which is often too late), etc etc. Of Course, when I point this out I get flamed by the people who dont know anything about football that I just hate Trent and I am on a crusade...
Myth #2 about Trent is that he is VERY accurate: He actually isnt...he looks accurate on the stat sheet after throwing a bunch of short simple throws that any 3rd string QB could make. Becuase that is the bulk of his throws, it pads his accuracy stats. But if you watch him in game, his mid level to deep balls are not very accurate and are tough catches for his targets, underthrown, makes the reciever break stride to catch them, or not even catchable...of course the devout Trent supporters will argue to death that he is so accurate because of his completion %.
I am sure someone is going to pick out 1, 2, or 3 passes like the TO drop and Evans TD to show how accurate he is at the deep ball all the while completely ignoring the many many more mid to deep throws that were not on target. He is an NFL QB, of course he is going to hit some nice throws, even 3rd stringers do, but that doesnt mean he is great or consistent at it.
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Since you are sticking to the topic, all of the above.
You can also add opposing defenses, dropped balls and crappy O-line play as contributing factors.
I said pass "attempts", so how are dropped balls a culprit?
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Yeah mitchell did wonders for them..he was the one who caught that amazing pass at the end of the game. Nice try.
What does this have to do with Mitchell? Just because of that play doesnt mean Mitchell wasnt a very valuable part of that defense. I am friends with Antonio Pierce (knew him from college and also helped him with his house here in LA) and let me say, he really didnt want to see them lose Mitchell. He kept telling me how good of a signing he was for us when we got him and how it was a big blow to their defense.
Of course, rather than just appreciating the compliment of Mitchell in this post, I am sure I am going to get flamed for the "unbelievable" claim I know Antonio as if knowing an NFL player is so far fetched...so flame on...
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Thank God Captain Checkdown was not our FG holder or he would have never thrown the ball!
hahahaha, priceless...seriously laughed out loud at this...nice
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I thought I saw this and recall that an announcer made some comment on it. Given Trent's inability to play against the 3 - 4 defense Gregg Williams decided to run almost exclusively the 3 - 4 especially for us instead of their normal mix with the 4 - 3.
http://www.buffalonews.com/452/story/811043.html
"The Saints usually play a 4-3 defense, but Williams has employed a lot of 3-4 this season. Given how the Bills have struggled with the 3-4 scheme, it's no surprise that Williams used it almost exclusively on Sunday."
The struggle continues.
Yup, thats called coaching...every team in the league knows we stink against a 3-4...did people actually think only the fans knew...lol
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How about stop wasting folks time with your idiotic posts. If you can't rationalize things can change from game to game along with folks opinions, that's your own problem not mine.
One, you always say I am delusional, crazy and stupid every time I have said our lack of WR involvement is going to be a big problem...now you flip flop and say the same thing here after trying to bash this very point I made in another thread this very week...
And two: You didnt answer the question (as usual)...so I will ask again:
Who is the most responsible for the lack of pass attempts to TO and Lee?
A) AVP
B) Trent
C) Lee and TO
Simple question...
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Alphadawg football is not your sport. You shouldn't even bother watching it. I think you should take up cooking.
This coming from the guy every poster not named dog14787 pretty much sees you as a waste of time and a worthless poster. Plus you have been slammed by the mods several times for your rediculous attacks and garbage you spew...in fact, your post earlier (the one I replied to) has been flamed by everyone responding to it...but keep trying
In reference to your hobby suggestion...I played football through college and I am actually a pretty good cook. In fact, I am making Lobster stuffed chicken with manchego chesse garlic mash potatoes and sauteed spincah for my girl tonight to celebrate the big raise she got a work yesterday...so I guess I have the best of both worlds, football and cooking, so thanks for the tip
However, you cant be a real poster...no one can spew as much gibberish as you and be serious...if you are, then you might just be a beer short of a six pack...I would bet you are a formerly banned member just trying to stir the pot with your wild claims and absurd posts.
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I have a feeling we will see more Freddie than Lynch the first week or two just on the mere fact of Freddie is hot and Lynch has sat the first 3 weeks. And if Lynch doesnt find some success in his opportunities out there, we might see a shift to Freddie during the season as the guy getting the bulk of the touches.
So, IMO, Lynch has some pressure to maximize his touches over the next few weeks...
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Jon Gruden also hates young QB's, especially ones that play like Trent.
This comment was not only fabricated, it shows how ignorant you are.
Gruden himself has stated countless times he prefers a vet to a young QB...look at his body of work at every stop in the NFL and it shows you the same thing...
So how is this fabricated? Ok, I will change the way I wrote it...
"Jon Gruden prefers veteran QB's over young QB's, so if he came to Buffalo he more than likely brings in a Vet to at least push Trent and Trent would likely be on a very short leash"
Is that better? If you have a problem with Gruden prefering vets to young QB's, then go take it up with him...
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It doesn't change the fact though that Lee Evans and T.O. have basically been used as very expensive decoys so far this season. Josh Reed is the top receiver with only 10 receptions.
hahahaha, man you are priceless...you flip flop more than anyone I see on here. You have been arguing in every thread I see you in that AVP is AMAZING and calling a perfect game, Trent has been AMAZING and that I am crazy for saying the WR's absolutely MUST be involved more. Now you are finally acknowledging our WR's have been totally ignored and that its a problem?
Dude, which is it? I mean, you say AVP is the real deal and calls perfect games...you also say Trent is basically the smartest most talented QB in football (including saying he is more accurate and smarter than Jim Kelly)...so who do you blame for lack of WR involvement? Are you saying TO and Evans arent good enough WR's?
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WR's 24 receptions, TE's 17 receptions, RB 15 receptions
lmao...When neither Lee Evans nor TO have more than 10 catches after 3 games and they are both on your team, then you have big problems...
But, with your rose colored glasses I am sure you still think Trent is better than Jim Kelly as you previously have stated...
Captain Checkdown
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lol, you are the one that calls me names, where as I call you out on the flip flop gibberish you spill on here all the tiime like when you claimed Trent to be better than Jim Kelly in just about every key attribute for a QB.
Second, I just simply asked you how many flip flop excuses are you going to come up with because you will try and discredit points people make saying one thing in one thread (often mocking the posters) then you will flip flop in other threads saying the exact opposite (again mocking those posters)...thats not a personal attack, thats just calling you on your flip flop debate...
In other words, no matter what the topic is, you will call everyone crazy, use emoticons, and say what ever necessary (no matter how outlandinsh) in your post, even when its completely contradictory to what you claim in other threads.
So, if you are going to continue to contradict yourself constantly, expect to be called on it, especially when you are mocking posters in your flip flops.