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Ronnie Brown...Found this below on rotoworld just now...I know he has had some injury issues, but we already have Fred, so adding Brown for a 4th or a 5th to compliment Fred seems like a way better option than using a high pick in this draft on a RB which we can use to fill a lot of more glaring holes on this team.
In an effort to accumulate draft picks, the Dolphins are reportedly open to trade talks involving almost every player on the roster.
According to a team source, "everyone is in play" as the Dolphins attempt to add picks in rounds two through five. Ted Ginn and Justin Smiley are openly on the trade block, and reports have surfaced that Ronnie Brown and Tyler Thigpen are also being shopped. Considering his contract situation and Lisfranc fracture, Brown isn't likely to fetch more than a mid-to-late round pick.
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No. Campbell won't go for anything in the top three because the Redskins have no leverage. I would be surprised if they keep him around at his salary to ride the bench. And they need picks. That extra 2nd rounder could be a scat back depending on what they do at 9. Or that extra 2nd could be a nose tackle or OLB. Or that extra 2nd could be packaged with their original 2nd rounder to get into the 1st round to grab a LT, NT or QB.
I was basing that on Buffalos speculated interest in Campbell and Was speculated asking price for Campbell...If you read what I wrote, I said a 2nd or 3rd...There is no way that Was moves Campbell for anything less than a third. Snyder doesnt care how much he is making as a backup, especially given Was is clearly pushing for a major run right now and having a proven and experienced backup like Campbell in their system isnt the worse thing for them.
Just like we most likely wont give Lynch away for a low pick because he still has more value to the team than that really low pick.
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I think the rest of the picks should be used on the lines. QB would have to wait until next year and the other skill positions would have to be filled via free agency. If we use the "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" philosophy, we ought to hit on at least 2 or 3 of picks 2-7.
Spiller at 9 would be followed by a trade of Lynch for hopefully a second rounder to someone like Sea. I would be ok with this, espescially with the depth in this draft. We are not going QB at #9 regardless IMO.
The other factor is this...The extra pick from trading Lynch may be one we use to acquire Campbell or Vick. If we got a 2nd for Lynch, the FO may turn around and trade a 2nd or 3rd to Was for Campbell.
Personally, I would prefer to keep our picks and build our lines too and see if Brohm can win the job and show us he can be the guy before we go after another QB. I think Vick and Campbell could both be intriguing under Gailey though, so I wouldnt be pissed if we acquired one of those two.
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I would take that deal in a heartbeat.
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Ah yes, "Pro Football Focus."
All you need to know about this "ranking" is that Josh Reed is listed a couple spots above Evans, and that Donald Driver compiled 1,061 yards receiving with over 15 YPC avg, and he was ranked number 70.!
Driver was 70, and Malcom Floyd with his whopping 45 catches and 700+ yards was ranked #7...seriously this thread should just be removed...
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You should have scrolled down to post #13. But since you didn't, here's what I replied with:
The excuses reign...
I just posted this to see how many people would make excuses for Evans, because there are a lot of them out there. Now, is Evans really the #56 ranked receiver? Hell no, we all know he is better than that. The Bills have been a dysfunctional mess for most of the decade, which is any reason for any player on this team to be an underacheiver, regardless of their position. IMO, Evans is one of the best #2 WR's in the league, but as a #1 WR, he's not in the top 20. Evans lacks the size to outleap and outmuscle DB's and is unable to shake the double-teams. Evans needs a big physical WR to compliment him, hopefully Stevie Johnson or James Hardy can be that guy. Maybe with having an offensive minded coach (Gailey), he can put Evans & Parrish is better positions to succeed.
Well, this is not how you presented this thread or your comments in your original post. You also lost me the moment I opened the list and read Vincent Jackson as #1, Floyd #7, Reed ahead of Evans, Moss ranked something like 22...etc, etc. Clearly, this is the stupidest WR ranking list ever created.
You definitely didnt present this as if you thought Lee was ranked way higher than that or that the ranking was absurd, so you have to expect these kinds of responses. And no, I didnt read any posts really once I saw this absurd list and your original post.
You want to know what I love about his board? I love how all these posters use the O Line to make excuses for Trent, then many of those same people bash Evans who is literally about 10 times more talented and valuable to this team than Trent. So, Trent gets all these excuses like the O Line and coaching, but then they bash Lee for not being more productive and completely ignore the fact that our QB's have been ATROCIOUS during most of Lee's career. People forget that he was amongst the leaders in TD's his first few years in the league, that was until Trent took over full time and completely stalled Lees career.
So the talent challenged Trent gets a pass, but the immensly talented Lee doesnt even though my mother could have been a more effective QB for this team than what we have had the last 2 years.
PS: Its not an excuse when its fact! Fact is our QB's have been so bad that they have been embarrasing, thats not an excuse, thats a fact. Look at how pedestrian Moss looked in Oak with younger legs versus how unstoppable he was in Minn and NE...Look at Welker in Mia and Welker in NE...not even comparable...
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http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.ph...&numgames=1
So, what are the excuses for Lee going to be? No QB, No line, No Coach, No Shoes, No Glasses....
HAHAHA...this might be the dumbest list I have seen...I love how you put this up when this list has FIVE players ranked AHEAD of Fitzgerald and A. Johnson who are easily the two best recievers in all of football.
I LOVE that Malcolm Floyd is ranked #7 and Lee is #56 considering there isnt a GM or coach that would take Floyd over Evans. In fact, if we traded Lee for Floyd we would also be getting a good draft pick in return plus Floyd...What is even better, is that Floyd is freaking ranked 7 when I guarantee not a single GM would put him in the top 30 and he would have a tough time making the top 40 or so even
This list ranks right up there with Southgeorgiabills fan trying to convince people that Trent pwned Brady week 1 last year and one of the dumbest things I have seen on here...
I mean seriously, the list has Floyd ranked 7th...geezus, this board never ceases to amaze me...
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How about Jairus Byrd? We wasted that pick last year on a non-need position, we can trade him for a first rounder and then get another player where we have a greater need!
Are you serious? You are calling Byrd a wasted pick? Now I have seen it all...oh, and by the way, it was a position of need going into last year at that point...not a dire need, but Byrd was definitely a big upgrade.
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we had almost 1900 yards rushing last year so adding a left tackle and with both backs available all year we could get close to 2500 yards. its tough but if we show a commitment to the run its possible
First of all, our rushing attack wasnt bad last year, it was our passing attack. TO claim we will get another 700+ yards by trading for this guy is a little bit rediculous. The first thing I thought of when I read this post was this by Wil Ferrel as Ricky Bobby: "No one lives forever, no one. But with advances in modern science and my high level income, it's not crazy to think I can live to be 245, maybe 300. Heck, I just read in the newspaper that they put a pig heart in some guy from Russia. Do you know what that means?"
Second, where are all these people proclaiming Gaither to be so great getting their opinnions. I doubt all these bills posters seriously watched the guy play, even if they watched Ravens games, I find it hard to believe all these people begging for Gaither ever even noticed him in a game. Some maybe, but not all these people in all these Gaither threads.
There is a reason he is available, if he was the second coming of Jonathon Ogden like some here seem to prop him up as, I seriously doubt the Ravens would be so quick to dump him for a second round pick. Especially since Oher struggled at times at LT last year.
He is available because the Ravens are tired of his lack of motivation...well if we trade for him we are going to have to pay him too...Sounds a lot like Peters who played at a high level until we gave him a big raise. Then he just dogged it, had down years, then wanted more money which he eventually got in Phi and then was a liability on that line.
I am all for grabbing a up and coming young tackle like him, but he is no sure thing and I dont think we should give up too much for him like some people here talking about a first rounder.
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I am one that thinks he could do well and think we will see his PT increase this year
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I guess they have written off this year, the guy flat sucks. I am praying this is nothing but pre draft posturing to get teams to think they dont' want a QB they are really after.
Otherwise this team is playing for the 1st overall pick next year.
You get dumber with every post I swear...
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I dont think the video is too degrading to the Bills at all. In fact, its complimentary. Mortenson said good things about Nix and Gailey too.
Yeah, totally agree...I dont think any of these posters watched the video...what exactly did he do or say that was so bad or wrong? Everyone just has sand in their azz because its Mort. Seriously, calm down, he said nothing really bad or that wasnt really true.
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What do you want? Raven's GM Ozzie Newsome announces...
Of course it is speculation based on various sources etc. etc. etc.
Here's a Baltimore Sun blurb mentioning his availability for a #2.
I could find you 50 similar blurbs. Will that change your mind? Probably not because your mind is already made up.
My point is, no one really knows if he is available for a 2nd, yet posters here are piling on the FO for not acquiring him yet. If he is out there for a 2nd right now, then why havent the other tackle needy teams made the move? If he can be had for a second I am sure the FO is fully aware of that, probably has already inquired, and is exploring all kinds of options right now. We dont need 20 threads on how we havent gone after Gaither yet when no one knows if we have or not.
The side factor here is that the FO was trying to use our 2nd to get McNabb which they all ignore in bashing our FO in all these threads about not getting this guy yet. Of course no one seems to be taking that into consideration.
Now the FO is considering getting Campbell too according to reports, so who knows what kind of compensation they are considering there.
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From what I have found online, he is the starting LT for Ravens and a Restricted FA with a 1st and 3rd round tender. The Ravens are already preparing to lose the guy and most believe that he can be had for a 2nd round pick. The guy is also 24 years old.
So, a proven starter at LT for a 2nd round pick? Why are we not all over this? Right now, the majority of people want a LT with our 1st pick, why not get a proven guy with our second over a rookie in the first. Then, we could trade down, up, whatever we want. Hell, we could get Eric Berry, have a kick ass secondary and get Cam Thomas in the 3rd.
Does anyone know if the Bills have even looked at this guy? What am I missing?
Can someone please show me where the Ravens will take a 2nd for him? There has not been a single report ever stating the Ravens want a 2nd round pick, it has been just pure speculation and assumptions that we can get him for a 2nd. It will currently take a 1st and a 3rd, and teams who put that level of restriction usually do so because they want to find a way to keep him.
Secondly, how does anyone know that the Bills havent called about him already and were told it would take at least a first or the full 1st and a 3rd?
I love how if we dont hear about it in the news, which we wont hear about 85% of what teams discuss (especially no name players like him in terms of fame) it is just assumed no one has inquired. I mean can anyone honestly think that the Bills (or other teams needing a OT) wouldnt have at least inquired about him if he truly is currently available for a 2nd and was that good?
Also, if he can be so easily had for a 2nd right now why havent the other teams in need of OT traded for him yet so they can save their top 10 pick in the draft for another position? KC, Sea, Oak, TB, etc could all use OT...not to mention all the other teams around the league...Its either becuase he isnt available for a 2nd at this time or teams dont think he is worth that high of a pick given the contract he will command too.
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Dude, his team just traded him to a division rival. Get the feeling that even THEY don't think all that much of him?
Yet fans here like you still think he is this great qb. He was great in 2004, and he was a very good qb before that year. But since then he has been an above average qb that continues to get adoration as if he were still a top five guy. He's not. He's overrated and the Bills are much better for him not wanting to come here.
I would much rather have the unknown rookie qb in Clausen, then the known close to a has been and who never won the big one even when he was good in McNabb.
One, you just ignored the facts that he has had NO talent to work with...none...yet made 5 NFC Championships and one SB.
You also ignorantly ignore the business facts of the situation...they WILL 100% lose either Kolb or McNabb after 2010 for ZERO compensation as both contracts are up and both want to start. They had to decide now to invest in Kolb who they believe to be the heir apparent or lose him and keep McNabb another few years.
You also ignore, that Reid diligently wanted to keep McNabb but the FO decided to make a decision for youth. Reid is the guy who has to go out and win games and he still feels that McNabb is his guy. But the FO also believes in Kolb and feels they have to make a move for the future now or risk losing Kolb next year for good.
You also completely disregard why the Eagles traded him to the Skins, which was in appreciation of McNabb to give him what he wants. They had plenty of trading partners with plenty to offer, but they allowed him to go to the Skins because they wanted to accomodate him as much as they could.
But you keep your simpleton point of view that it wasnt about losing one of them next season for no compensation...
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That is total unsubstantiated BS based on nothing but your h*rd-on for Brohm. Way to just make sh*t up. LOL!!!
The fact that they were willing to give up picks when they have such a thin roster is a complete indictment of all of their QB's. Add to that, they were willing to give him an extension!? I don't think Buddy and Co. were going to wait for Brohm or the other two scrubs to blossom.
Nice try though.
lol...I started the statement with IMO...in case you are slow or lived in a cave for the last 10 years, that means In My Opinnion...no where did I state that it was anything other than what my own opinnion is...man you are dense sometimes
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brohm couldn't break the roster in gb who you know have seen some good qbs in their day can we stop saying he needs to develop and get better so he can be be our future starter, he is just as expendable as Trent and fitz who are both solid backups that's it
LOL...um, ever heard of Aaron Rodgers? Did you really just post this?
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A QB can make an offensive line look better than it is. The same can not be said in reverse. The Bills have not had an opportunity like this since Kelly was drafted in the mid 80s. Unless the guy has killed someone or beaten women and children then the Bills should draft Clausen and send the Redskins a gift basket for making the trade for the overrated McNabb.
Huh? Overrated? Lets see, he has only produced at a very high level despite throwing to scrubs, literally scrubs, for almost his entire career. The only legitimate WR he had was TO for a little over a season...oh, he also managed to take his team to the SB that year WITHOUT TO in the entire playoffs and throwing to clowns all post season. Jackson was the only other WR he had and he only got to play with him the last 2 seasons in which one was his rookie year and then this past year he had injury issues.
McNabb is totally underrated...there is only 1 QB who has had equally bad talent at WR who had been able to accomplish more than him and thats Brady who won 3 SB's with mostly scrub WR's, but even his scrubs were still better than anything McNabb has ever had to work with.
Most importantly, is the Eagles were never carried by the D only like say Balt when they won the SB. Every year the Eagles have been putting points up despite the hacks starting at WR. McNabb has had scrubs like Stallworth, Thrash, Brown, FedEx, Curtis, etc. who most wouldnt have even been a #2 on just about every other team but all were at some point his #1 WR going INTO the season.
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Nix and Co will also be kicking themselves as they watch him carry the skins to the post season.
This franchise still has no balls. The upcoming season is going to be another waste.
The biggest news (so far) out of two bills drive this offseason: They took the TV's out of the weight room! YAWN....
LMAO at posts all over this board like these...do you have any comprehension of what happened or are you just stomping your feet over this?
I wanted McNabb, badly actually, but the FO did this right.
1. McNabb has every reason in the world to prefer Was to us right now. They have a solid D, talent at WR, TE, RB, and two of the most respected offensive coaches in the NFL...not to mention the #4 pick in the draft still, a owner who will spend to get him weapons, and most importantly he gets to play the Eagles twice a year at least.
2. Reid loves McNabb and fought to keep him and insisted along with the Eagles to try and make a deal that both works for them and McNabb becuase of that.
3. The Skins pick is 5 spaces higher than ours and they traded a 3rd with it too. So we would have at least had to give them two 2nds, or swap first and still give up our 2nd to get him, whcih still may not have been enough to sway them to trade him to us instead of a place he preferred to go.
So lets recap, the FO made a very good offer that doesnt require us to give up the farm, but the Skins offer was better and it was also a preferred destination for McNabb. The Skins wanted a deal that both was good for them and for McNabb, and that was the Skins and thats the bottom line.
Our FO did this right and has done a lot of good things this offseason. Not to mention, it also increases the likely hood Claussen is there at #9, so if the staff likes Claussen this trade makes it more likely we will have a shot at him in the draft (although I personally am not that high on the kid).
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Bulger may be the recent NFL starting QB about whom we really can't say: "Well, he can't be worse than Trent Edwards"
Um, I will say it...Bulger is better than Trent, even right now. Trent has never ever been good, not once, not even in college. His career high in TD's is 11...come on now.
Bulger is no savior, but he is better than Edwards...
That being said, I think we need to focus on developing Brohm still who is the only QB on this roster with any significant upside at this point. Bulger isnt going to get us over the hump, although I think we win more games with him than Trent or Ftiz. So, lets focus on developing Brohm, getting him some experience so we know if we need to go out and draft a QB round 1 next year or acquire one via trade or FA to be our starter.
There is no QB currently available now that McNabb has been traded that makes us a contender next year, so this is the year we need to find out what we have in Brohm, Fitz and Trent with the new staff and offense. Hopefully, one of them can step up and be a good starter for us, if not, we get our QB next year.
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I seem to remember reading that all 3 Bills QB's are at the fieldhouse working out with Gailey. I mention this because I'm wondering if this played into trying to get McNabb. After seeing all three in drills, do Gailey and Nix figure they need help ASAP? I had hopes that Brohm could show something.
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Their interest has nothing to do with whether or not Brohm has any potential. We are talking about McNabb who has played at a very high level desptie having virtually no recieving weapons most of his career and is still in his prime. He makes us an instant contender while we groom Brohm who is still young and inexperienced.
There is more talent on this roster than posters like to give credit for, and a big upgrade to a top 10 QB like McNabb makes us dangerous. Brohm has lots of upside, but still is unproven and will need time to develop even if he wins the job this year.
IMO, it is Brohms potential that kept the FO from giving away the farm for McNabb which given the Skins deal would have to at least been two 2nd round picks, or our 2nd and a swap of firsts this year. They have a young guy with lots of upside, so they probably saw more value in using those picks to fill other holes and seeing what we have in our guys first rather than trade away so many high value picks.
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At the same time, the Skins' 2nd was higher than ours and they might have to give up a 3rd. That's would be a tough package for us to beat. Personally, I think the Eagles would have been smart to trade him out of the division but the Skins is probably a better offer than we could have given.
Lost in all of this are two things, one of which you just mentioned. For us to have been the BEST offer, we would have had to give our 2nd, plus another conditional 2nd next year, or do something like swap first round picks this year too. Nobody seems to even notice that the Skins pick is 5 spaces higher.
The Skins put a big offer on the table, the best offer, and one that we would have had to give up a pretty good bounty to beat.
Then the other point, which has been mentioned here and there, is that the Eagles wanted to do everything they could to make McNabb happy as well if possible. He clearly would prefer the Skins where he gets to play the Eagles twice a year. To top it off, McNabb gets to go to a team that will spend money to get him weapons, has one of the best offensive minded coaching staffs now with the Shannahans (with SB's to show for it), a load of offensive weapons at WR, TE, and RB, plus the #4 pick in the draft.
I am huge Bills fan, and even I cant blame him for preferring to be there. Not to mention, he doesnt care if he gets an extension or not, because if he doesnt then he gets to pick where he plays next year where he will still be good enough and young enough to get a great deal somewhere.
McNabb made the best choice for him, and I respect that. The Eagles made the best deal for them, and I respect that. More importantly, the Bills stepped up and made a legitimate offer without giving up the farm, and I really respect that. I see no fault by our FO on this one, nor do I think McNabb was wrong to want to go to the Skins who definitely give him a better position to be in at this moment in time.
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Honestly, Shefter is really blowing that trade into something that's bigger than it really is. I personally wouldn't call the McNabb trade a blockbuster trade, he's 35, on the downside and all for a 2nd and 3rd. That is big but not a Blockbuster.
McNabb is not 35, he just turned 33 a few months ago and is still at the top of his game going to a divisional rival with one of the best offensive coaching staffs in football...this is a pretty big deal, especially for Redskin fans and Eagles Fans.
Washington now becomes one of the favorites in the NFC instantly...The skins are loaded at RB, have a lot of talent at TE and WR, a good OL and a pretty good D...McNabb makes them very strong Super Bowl contenders much like Favre did for the Vikes last year except McNabb will be playing at high level for at least 3 to 5 more years. Oh, and did I forget to mention the Skins STILL have the 4th pick in the draft where they can add another Elite prospect to their roster and no longer have to look at a developmental player like say Claussen.
This is WAY more significant than you give credit for and McNabb is a WAY better QB than I think you believe he is...
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In my best AOL voice *GOODBYE.
Seriously though this article states what a lot have been saying on this board for quite a while- Lynch isn't going to garner a pick high enough to justify the trade. The Bills would be very lucky to get even that 4th simply because there has to be more then one team that would be interested. I say that if the Bills do find a dancing partner it'll be for a 5th and a conditional next year. One thing I do think is that given Lynch's history and current issue(s) that a conditional pick may be the best we can do. I like Lynch and I want him here but each time something happens-no matter how small it may be- he shows that he may not be the guy for us. Send him to Oakland he'll be happier out there(maybe we could just swap him for Bush-I like that idea, then we could have Brohm, Bush and Wood)<-----There's a joke there somewhere.
Michael Bush is not only the best RB in Oak, but he would be the best RB on this roster and is better than Lynch. McFadden gets PT only because of his contract, much like Al wants to stick with J. Russell, but Bush is better than McFadden and I would take him in a heartbeat. Not only does he have speed and power, but he can catch too. Freddie and Bush would be a lethal tandem...
Too bad this trade will never happen. Why would Al trade for a RB when the one he has is already better and doesnt have all the baggage? Then again, its Al Davis...so who knows.
I don't see us winning more than 4 games in 2010
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Lets be a little more realistic here, its not nearly as bad as people want to make it out to be, and this upcoming year isnt about rediscovering the glory of the early 90's anyway, its about getting this team back in the right direction and building this team over the next year or two.
1. We won 6 games last year DESPITE completely ATROCIOUS QB play, horrible play calling, horrible game plan, injury plagued young OL, injury depleted D, our best young play maker not playing the first part of the season (Byrd), and playing in a tough division. With a real QB last year we would have been playoff bound, not even a question, despite all the other issues.
2. Mia still has major QB questions...lets hold off annoiting them a power until we see if Henne can make a big step this year. He is promising, but still isnt there yet.
3. The goal for 2010 is not to get us to the SB, but to solidify the holes with some young talent that can develop this team into a real contender over the next couple of years. This year will be used to evaluate and develop our young guys like Hardy, Johnson, Nelson, Brohm, Bell, Maybin, as well as the guys we draft.
4. We need to find out what we have in Brohm (assuming we dont trade for Campbell or Vick, two guys we have speculated interest in apparently) and this is the year to do it assuming he can win the job. We also need to find out what we have in Maybin, Hardy, and Johnson so we know what we need to address in next years draft.
5. Our defense on paper already looks even better than last year.
For me, this team is heading in the right direction with the most important part being the emphasis and commitment to get these guys some playing time. Doesnt do any good to draft guys with lots of upside if we dont let them play and let them develop. I dont hold high expectations this year, but I do look forward to seeing what these guys can finally do in a game.
So all these people crying and mailing it in already for the season, what the heck were you really expecting in 2010? This is a new staff who is coming in and building their foundation, evaluating our young guys, and building through the draft, and I dont see anything wrong with that. I am actually excited to see how they develop over the season.