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The Jets traded up for Revis. Can you think of any other instances where a team actually traded up to select a defensive back in round 1?
I am not saying it never happened mind you; I simply have no recollection of any other team doing something like this.
Yeah, but Berry is widely considered the 3rd or 4th best prospect in this draft, and a Jax and SF would love to grab him. I actually think Berry probably still goes top 8, but I could see a number of scenarios where he still falls to 9, and if he does, I think we will be awfully attractive at 9 for someone like SF, Jax, etc.
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1) People believe that 3 OT's will be gone by then and they know we need the 4th one. After that 4th, there's a big drop off. If that trade happens and all 4 are gone, that blows: Raiders more than likely will take an OT anyway at #8...so if 3 are gone, a 4th will likely be taken at #8 regardless if the Raiders stand pat or trade.
2) People believe that Clausen will drop that far and expect us to take him. I admit, there are worse things in the world, but that would kinda piss me off as I would like Clausen, but it's not the end of the world. This is plausible, however, no one really expects him to get by Washington anymore, so I doubt they would make this trade until literally the Raiders are on the clock.
3) Tebow - I hope this is actually the case but I doubt it. If the Bills are thinking about taking him first, then please let someone swoop in and stop it. I dont think anyone thinks Tebow is going in the top 10, heck, most dont think he will be even in the first round. So I doubt they would trade to #8 to get Tebow.
Other than that, I don't know why the Bills wouldn't look into trading with this unnamed team. If the person wants Spiller or someone else that we don't care about, pull the trigger and make it happen. I wouldnt be so quick to say we dont care about Spiller. I bet you Spiller is near the top of our draft board based on who is expected to be there. So, I could see someone moving ahead of us for Spiller since he has been rocketing up many teams draft boards.
See my responses to each above...also, another possible side bonus if this happens is Berry. I think its possible he could fall to us at 9, especially if this trade happens. If he does, then Jax and SF a few spots behind us could be possible trade down destinations where we dont move too far back and still get a guy we want while picking up some value.
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LOL...wasnt this thread supposed to be for Nevergiveup to post updates? Well its already on page 4 yet he has only posted 3 times in it...its just getting filled with gibberish. Seems we have a bounty of threads to post most of this gibberish, so maybe we should leave this one for direct questions to NGU and his responses...
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From Rotoworld...
McNabb's agent, Fletcher Smith, told him, "he has no reason to believe a trade is imminent, and says there have been no conversations with the Eagles about which teams the quarterback would or would not prefer to be traded to."
So, according to his agent, McNabb has made no such demands about refusing to play anywhere, which if true, clearly means both Oak and the Bills are still in play.
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I love the Bills but am a Iowa Hawkeye first but I hope the Bills stay away from Bulaga. I'm not even sure he was the best lineman on the team. You can second guess me all you want but remember the last 1st round "cant miss" Iowa LT? Nick Gallery.
I think you mean Robert Gallery...and yeah, a bust considering his lofty hype
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Donovan McNabb spoke to Andy Reid on Thursday to tell him of his preference to spend this year with Philadelphia, not Oakland or Buffalo.
This doesnt mean he wont, it says he would prefer to stay in Phi this year than be traded to either of those teams...of course he prefers that, he doesnt want to leave Phi (a SB contender) to play for either 2 teams not expected to be a contender (although McNabb makes us at least a serious threat for playoffs).
What do you expect McNabb to say? Please trade me from the team I love and want to stay with to go to Buffalo or Oakland. None of that means he would not come here and sign an extension if Phi agreed to a deal with us. More importantly, we wont trade for him unless he does agree to a deal with us.
But what McNabb is about to find out is that he wont have much choice, and if he was smart, he would pray he comes here over Oakland.
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I'll renew them all....
I would love to see what this team is capable of with some talent under center. the guy has worked wonders with todd stinkston, james trash, jason avant, reggie brown, and went to the superbowl with TO.Actually, he went to the SB without TO (who missed all of the playoffs) and lost the SB with TO
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Will the Bills get to the super bowl with McNabb...
If not... then why waste the time and picks on him!
Do I think he is a top ten franchise QB...yes!
Do I think he will accomplish anything besides winning a few more games for the next two years...no!
At this point all the Bills need is a QB that can manage the game and not turn the ball over, they need to build a power running game like the Ravens and Jets currently have.
How many SB winners in the last 10 years won because of the power running game?
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With Reid saying that he's "entertaining offers" on all of their QB's, I was wondering what you guys would think of a 1st for Kolb?
Of course, this is kinda hypothetical because even though Reid said he's listening to all offers for all of their guys, I don't think anyone really expects the Eagles to trade their future away. However, you never know. Maybe Andy really does have a hard-on for Donovan and with the right offer, he'd get rid of the guy that's essentially forcing the McNabb trade talks? Maybe a top ten pick in a draft that's a month away would be too tempting to pass up? Such picks are almost never traded for players.
And on the other side of the coin, he's looked damn good when called upon; but has he really proven he'd be worth such a trade?
This guy looked terrible, really terrible before the couple games last year. In fact, he had no TD's and a bunch of INTs. Given he was so raw and inexperienced I wont conclude he is still terrible. However, even when he looked better this past year he still didnt look great to me.
So, for me, he has the potential and has shown he is improving and must be showing the Coaches something in practice too for them to be considering parting with McNabb because this team is good enough to be a SB conteder with McNabb still. But, given his 4 TD's to 7 INT's and inconsistency on the field I would not be comfortable giving up the #9 pick this year for him given our glaring need at LT.
I just think he hasnt shown enough yet to warrant a first round pick period. More importantly though, I really feel Brohm has a lot of potential too and he isnt cositing us anything. So if we are going to take a chance on an unproven guy with potential, why not go with the guy on our roster first who costs us nothing before we give up a first round or even a 2nd round pick for another. Not to mention, Kolb has spent more time looking bad than looking good.
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As much as I would like this to happen, the Rams have already offered their second round pick (33rd overall) and safety Otogwe for McNabb, and the Eagles aren't interested.
Actually, you got this completely wrong. The Rams never made an offer and all the reports came out of Philly. Even more so is the fact that Reid publicly stated he would love to have the 1st pick in the 2nd round of this draft.
Phi didnt turn it down and would take it in a heartbeat if it were a legit offer. However, the Rams are not pursuing McNabb and are focused on Bradford. Phi is trying to create more buzz and drive up the McPrice for those truly interested which at this point to the 3 teams interested in trading for him...Raiders, Bills, and 49ers all have reported interest or spoke to Phi about a trade.
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What kool aid would that be? I haven't heard anyone pitching the Bills as a contender this year. Not even the organization.
Is it more desirable to be some whiny douche who bitches about how much everything's going to suck?
That is what seems to be en vogue around here...heaven forbid if you actually see promise in areas of our team
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I share this optimistic outlook, let me explain why:
1. Our defense will be better. The need for a NT is not nearly critical as some posters want to make it out to be. Our DL is not that bad off the way it is. Byrd enters the year as the starter, something he didnt do last year. Davis and Maybin really beef up our LB core with Davis veteran play in a 3-4 and Maybins speed and eplosiveness. Overall, I really like the prospects of our defense and think we could see a top 10 D out there on the field this year.
2. Our O Line will be better: Injuries, lack of playing time together as a unit, and inexperience were major reasons the line struggled so much. Its healthy again, Wood is ahead of schedule, and I expect to add a LT in the early parts of the draft. The line has a lot more experience now and will have the whole preseason to gel as I dont expect any Walker like cuts just before the season. They will still need to continue to get better, but I certainly think there is talent on this line and expect to add more in the draft.
3. Nelson: I expect Nelson to be integrated into the passing game much more this year and love his potential as a weapon. I think with someone like him, it will really help open up the running game and passing game.
4. The QB position: I cant imagine the QB production not improving, it was atrocious last year and yet we were still in games. There will be an open competition, and with a new staff I think we can expect better performances from this position. Honestly, if we go into camp with these 3 guys, I actually think Brohm wins the job. More importantly, I think Chan will get more out of this position regardless who is starting.
5. I actually think Johnson or Hardy will become a real factor this year, if not both. I am higher on Johnson and think he will be the one that takes control of the #2 spot, but I think they both have promise.
Curveball: If we get McNabb, then the odds of us making the playoffs signifcantly jump in my opinnion. Given points 1, 2, and 3 along with fixing the QB issue with McNabb makes us a legit contender for the division in my opinnion.
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Well there are all kinds of reports claiming the rumors are still false and even speculation that because the stories are coming out of Phi that they might be using the media to try and drive up the price for him...
Second, McNabb is the same age as Payton and Brady and has probably at least 3 and maybe 5 good years left. Considering most QB's take 3 years to really come into their own, why would bringing in McNabb to help put this franchise back into relevancy why we groom a young guy be a bad thing?
Seriously, McNabb on this team last year and we win 5 more of those close losses we had. How anyone can look at last year and not believe we win almost all those close games and make the playoffs with someone of McNabbs caliber is just blind, in denial, or just doesnt watch the games.
Our QB play was atrocious in those games and yet we were close and almost won most of them. Add in a new system, better coachiing, a healthy O Line (hopefully with a promising young LT from the draft added to it), and better offensive scheme and McNabb instantly makes this team a contender for the playoffs next year. If either Hardy or Johnson steps up along with Nelson becoming more of a factor in the passing game, then we could have a very potent offense. I already expect the D to be better, especially with Davis and Maybin now added into the LB core and Byrd starting for the whole season.
I get the constant dissapointment with this team, but there is more talent here than the posters like to give credit for, and McNabb would instantly take us out of the cellar and make us relevant. The best part, is we already have a young QB to develop behind him in Brohm, and given McNabb will give us at least 3 good years, we have time to find another young QB in the next couple of drafts if Brohm doesnt show enough in the next year or two.
To me, adding McNabb for what is being reported he can be had for is a no brainer...It actually makes less sense for the Rams given how far away they are from competing if they really love Bradford. So I would be surprised if they did because the apparently are really high on Bradford at #1
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Don`t bother , there are so many kids on here that know nothing. It`s amazing.
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And Buffalo has less talent than Philly...so unless McNabb can block for himself and somehow catch his own passes, mortgaging the future to "win now" (which they might not do anyway) is not going to solve the problem. We went down the same dead end road with Bledsoe.
Where do you get this "win now" stuff anyway? Nix has already said this is a multi-year rebuilding effort.
Come on, you cant be serious. McNabb has only had a true #1 reciever barely over 3 seasons. He had TO for a season and a half and D. Jax about a season and half when you factor in injuries and youth.
Thats it...and to top it off, he never had a quality #2 either in those years. Truth is, Mcnabb has done more with less better than just about any QB I have ever seen. He made players who are no better than #3 WR's into starters and still got his teams to the NFC championship games and even the SB (as TO missed all the playoff games to get to the SB).
Buffalo's WR's right now would LITERALLY be the best group of WR's he has really had in his entire career. Even when they had TO they had nothing else. The group in Phi is quite promising, but D. Jax and Evans are really a very similar player except D. Jax actually has someone to get him the ball, but I think Evans is a better overall player and with a real QB he will finally show that. Our young guys are promising too.
The only thing Phi has over us right now on offense really is a better O Line...but if we get a LT at #9, and with the recovery of Wood, our O Line would be up and coming. Actually, Phi TE Celek has to be considered currently better than Nelson, but Nelson has way more upside in the passing game and this is only his second year.
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To follow up on my previous post, I give you Culpepper's post-Moss stats, which include the seven games he played before the knee injury in 2005:
27 starts, 477-808, 5,555 yards, 20 TD, 39 turnovers (32 INT, 7 FL), 71.67 passer rating.
To compare:
Trent Edwards: 23 starts, 506-826, 5,498 yds, 24 TD, 30 TO (25 INT, 5 FL), 77.9 rating.
Ryan Fitzpatrick: 23 starts, 424-734, 4,104 yds, 21 TD, 35 TO (27 INT, 8 FL), 67.7 rating.
J.P. Losman: 33 starts, 558-942, 6,211 yds, 33 TD, 51 TO (34 INT, 17 FL), 75.6 rating.
I'm not sure which is more frightening -- the stats of the current/recent Bills QBs, or the thought of bringing in Culpepper as an "upgrade."
Those stats are pretty horrifying no doubt...but honestly, our QB's IMO have had more to work with as a whole than Culpepper in the post Moss era who also had to deal with a devastating knee injury that took away a big part of his game.
Since losing Moss, he really hasnt had any weapons to play with at all with the exception of the brief stint starting in Det where he outplayed Stafford in the preseason but still wasnt going to get a legit shot to keep the starting gig with all the money they were paying their rookie QB.
The scariest part of all that is that as bad as Culpepper was (and those stats were grossly effected by the terrible start before the knee injury if memory serves me) he still is more talented than either Fitz or Trent IMO. Thats not an endorsement really on Daunte, but more an indicator of how bad Trent and Fitz are as starters.
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Here's the schedule:
Home
New York Jets - W
Miami Dolphins - W
New England Patriots - L
Jacksonville Jaguars - W
Cleveland Browns - W
Pittsburgh Steelers - L
Chicago Bears - L
Detroit Lions - W
Away
New York Jets - L
Miami Dolphins - W
New England Patriots - L
Kansas City Chiefs - W
Cincinnati Bengals - L
Minnesota Vikings - L
Baltimore Ravens - L
Green Bay Packers - W
I think we have a real shot at 8-8 and maybe even 9-7 as long as the play from the QB is average or better. Last year, Trent and Fitz were definitely well below average and yet we still had some real close winnable games. So, if we can get some better play at QB, I see 8 wins on there, and we might be able to even steal an additional game against teams like the Bears or Bengals.
I think there is a good chance the GB game plays out like the Colts game this year with them mostly resting their starters, which is why I have that as a win. But if GB needs that last game for playoff seeding, I would change it to a Loss. Balt also could potentially be resting their starters part of the game when we face them, but thats less likely.
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I would be ok with bringing him in to compete for the starting job. I would much prefer to see him over Trent or Fitz personally. Not much risk here, I mean let him battle for the job and see if he can contribute.
I actually think Brohm likely claims the job out of our 3 guys currently on the roster and thats what I would rather see happen. This is the year to see what you have in the kid, its not like we are likely going to be contending for much (unless we got someone like the caliber of McNabb) this year, so give him a shot and see what you have in him so we can see if we need to get a top QB prospect next year or acquire a QB via trade or FA.
So, if we have 4 guys on the roster, I would be concerened about that holding back Brohms potential development based on just losing more reps to a 4th QB...
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Again, when has an NFL franchise ever put a young QB (who was a high draft pick just a year earlier) first on waivers and then on a practice squad? Please answer this question!
So LMFAO all you want, your argument that GB thought anything of him is absurd because he would have never been put on waivers or the practice squad!
Again, I trust the other 30 teams who had a shot at him, not the previous regime or you. Please answer the above quetsion because you seem to be avoiding it.
LOL...thats the question you want answered? Seriously, you want to argue that question with total disregard to the factual reality of what transpired in GB. Whether it happened once or 100 times is irrelevant to your argument about GB, espcially given GB actions and public statement completly contradict your arguments in the first place.
We can play this game all you want...How often does a future HOF QB last to the 6th round just to come in and replace a franchise guy (who at the time had what was once called a "lifetime" contract with their team) out of nowhere? How often does a grocery store employee come in and win the SB for a losing franchise and become one of the best passers of his generation? How often does a guy over 40 throw for more than 30 TD's in a season? How often does a team go to 4 Superbowls in a row?
You can play that game all day long with endless examples of things that may not be the norm, but do happen. So, the fact that placing a 2nd round pick on the PS after one year isnt a common occurence, it doesnt mean in a certain situation that a team would make the decisions GB did.
Again, I stand by my post earlier...you need to read through this thread and get a better understanding of the PS, what teams have to do sign one, the timing of his placement, the situation GB was in, etc. But you dont...you just rant and rave with a clear lack of any knowledge of the reality of how Brohms situation played out for both GB and the other franchises...
Good luck with your blind rants...not worth discussing further really since you dont want to add anything other than scream about how he was on the PS...
PS: No one is saying Brohm will be anything, we are just saying its completely absurd to write him off becaue you cant get over him being on the PS while completely ignoring the circumstances that led him there. Not to mention the fact that he was only in the league 2 years with literally no chance to play other than one unprepared start for us.
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Okay Captain obvious. If GB thought anything of him, he would've never hit the PS in the first place! Did the Eagles ever let their 3 QB's hit the PS? NO. Could they have used the room on their roster down the stretch? YES! The difference is, Vick and Kolb have value in the NFL and to their team. So while you contend that GB tried to "hide" Brohm, I say that is ludicrous because every good GM out there knows who is where in the NFL and nothing goes under the radar! Yes, Brohm chose to leave, but if he was any good, GB WOULD HAVE NEVER PUT A PLAYER OF VALUE AT RISK therefore they would've never allowed him to walk!
WHEN HAS THIS EVER HAPPENEND BEFORE GENIUS!!?? Please answer!
So again, it's simple, there is not a team out there who put players at any position on their practice squad who have great value to their team or around the NFL. Please tell me where you have ever seen a QB, which is the most imortant position in the NFL, put on waivers and go on to be a good pro in the last 10 years? Especially when the guy was a 2nd round pick the year before! I didn't think so bro.
LMAO...you are comparing Vick and Kolb to a player who never played a down in his 1 1/2 years in the NFL? Secondly, what one teams views as necessary for its team to compete week in and week out is different from the others. Thirdly, Vick was NOT on the active roster to be a 3rd string QB who never saw the field...he was on the roster with the intent of playing him in situations while Kolb was the ACTUAL backup QB...
These two scenarios are not even remtorely related...
Oh, and fourth...some teams have a philosphy of carrying 2 active QB's and others 3...so, again your rant has nothing to do with the intentions of GB.
Fifth...most importantly, everything GB has said and done completely contradicts your uninformed argument...
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It seems so obvious doesn't it? That's why I don't get all the talk on here about we got to build our lines first, no QB would be good behind our line, we're 3 years away from contending, blah blah blah
We won 6 games last year and lost several others very close like the Clowns, the Jets second game, Jaguars, Patsies (both games). A good QB can make stuff happen that sad sack QB like we have can't. Certainly could us got us 3 more points during regulation against Clowns for cyring out loud. Not to mention the leadership and confidence good leader veteran QB can provide.
With better coaching and the upgrades in talent we'll get this year PLUS A DECENT EXPERIENCED QB and we could be vying for playoffs. Take the approach of building the lines and going with ANOTHER rookie type QB and we're 6-10 again.
QB is the most important position is sports. Mathematically it's 1 out of 22. But it's more like 40% or something.
Yeah, I totally agree with you here. Although, I do think that this would be the best year to find out if Brohm can play or not. Outside of trading for McNabb there are not any QB's out there available that are good enough to really carry this team anywhere significant. Maybe 8-8 or 9-7 can be had with some solid journeyman (I cant even really think of anyone available capable of getting us there even), but there just isnt any available QB's that will turn this team into a playoff team because none of them are really any good. McNabb makes this team a definite playoff contender in my book, but he isnt actually available.
So, unless we work some trade for McNabb, I think this would be the ideal year to let Brohm get some PT and see if he can be our long term guy. If he doesnt step up, then we know next offseason that we need to acquire a guy or draft a guy high at QB...
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Yes, the concept of the practice squad is mind blowingly tough to wrap my head around, like cell lysis or something. If their is a "potential" franchise QB out their who was selected in the 2nd round the year before and all you have to do is cut, lets say, John Wedling, you do it without hesitation. And if the other 30+ teams thought he was worth anything, they would gladly cut their "Wedling" too and outbid the Packers for his services. He cleared waivers! And I did read about what "really happened". The Bills propaganda machine will have you believe that there was some feirce battle over Brohm, when I've read numerous reports that the Pack made an offer that they deemed Brohm to be worthy of and then said, "Don't let the door hit you in the A**" It's not like the Bills signed him to a big contract! So I'm not sure what the disconnect here is or how hard you think it is to understand the madness that is the PS, but again, it's pretty simple, NO ONE WANTED HIM AND HE WAS SITTING RIGHT THERE FOR THE TAKING.....kind of sounds like our head coach!
lmao...I stand by my original reply and this post by you furthers that...
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I can't believe response #5, because here's what you previously said "So they stashed him on the PS hoping no one would grab him so they could develop him more in hopes of trading him this offseason. That is also why they tried to match the offer, so they could keep him and trade him later...not because they wanted him to beat out Flynn." Now, not only don't you answer me when I ask you to prove that they wanted to match the offer in hopes of trading Brohm, but you now include this "5. GB going into this year felt they were a real contender. They are not going to take up an active roster they need to compete every week to keep a 2nd year QB who is 3rd on the depth chart in hopes of trading him. #1 priority for GB in the 2009 season was not positioning for trade value in 2010, but winning games. With their holes and injuries, that meant carrying only 2 QB's, so they made the tough choice of risking losing Brohm for no compensation on PS in hopes they could match the offer if someone claimed him." Sorry, but you have just contradicted yourself. Do us all a favor, until you get your facts straight in your own mind, refrain from calling anyone else dense. It's tough to follow your thoughts when side by side you make no sense.
How did I just contradict myself? In the first quote, I said they stashed him on the PS in hopes of hiding him there (which GB said) because they didnt have room on the active roster but still hoped to find a way to keep him around...it has nothing, read that again, NOTHING to do with the active 53 man roster which is what they field week in and week out that I talked about in the second quote you put in this post. In the second quote I refernce that exactly where I said they are not going to keep Brohm on the ACTIVE roster of a CONTENDING team just to manuever for a trade in the offseason when they BELIEVE they can win and NEED the roster spot on the...wait for it now...ACTIVE roster.
You are not even reading the posts well enough to argue them.
So, to spell it out for you one last time as clear as I can make it...GB DID, and it was published, MATCH the Bills offer to keep him. Brohm said no as he knew he had no chance at ever playing in GB and Buffalo presented possibilities.
GB also said they hated losing him for no compensation but did not have a choice as they didnt have the luxury of carrying 3 QB's as a result of injuries and needs at other positions. Not to mention, they LOVE Flynn and he is their guy to back up Rodgers and we know Rodgers isnt going anywhere.
So, with a little common sense and a little attention to the details of what GB has publicly done and said, it was pretty clear that GB would have preferred to keep him (which is why they matched the offer) to try and get some value for him this offseason. But, because of injuries and needs at other positions (also publicly said by GB) they realized they couldnt carry 3 QB's so they chose to risk losing him for nothing rather than occupy a ACTIVE roster spot just to try and get some trade value for him.
I mean, geezus, none of this is rocket science and was literally pretty obvious and practically stated by GB...
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Still living in that fantasy world where the GB line was the equivalent of the Buffalo line and Rogers miraculously made it work. Sorry man, didn't happen and here's why:
1. Green Bay's line was exponentially better than Buffalo's line
2. Roger's hung on to the ball forever whether he had the protection or not which led to big plays and a lot of sacks. Didn't translate into a lot of wins.
3. Most of Roger's and GBs success last year came in the second half when their line got healthy. Look at GB last season week to week.
4. Our weapons, Evans, an aging TO, Jackson, and not much else, doesn't stack up to the arsenal Rogers had at his disposal, and even at their worst, GB's line gave a lot more time than our QBs could ever have hoped for.
Not to say Rogers wouldn't have done better than TE & Fitz but to say at least 5 more games, meaning the Bills would have won at least 11 games. Don't see it.
Funny how you rank the GB line so much better than Buffalo, but in every single GB game, including the playoffs, all that was talked about was how bad the line was there and how impressive Rodgers was with dealing with it.
Aaron Rodgers EASILY, without a second thought, wins us 5 more games last year. Look at the games we lost, especially the close ones. We lost those close games despite ATROCIOUS QB play in almost all of them...yet they were close. So, on what logic could you possibly argue that a QB who has proven to be very succesful behind a pourus line already, wouldnt have been able to add another 7 to 14 points in each of those games which would win just about every one of them for us?
TO was better than what we got out of him last year...aging yes, but still dangerous with a real QB. Evans would be putting up pro bowl numbers with Rodgers. Freddie and Lynch would have been significantly better with a better passing game too.
Not to mention, the most over looked part of this equation. With a QB the caliber of Rodgers and a threatening passing game, our O Line would have been better because our passing game would have kept defenses honest rather than facing an onslaught every week.
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