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Considering how well the Bills played in the Monday night opener against the Patriots and the close proximity to when Turk Shonert was released I'm inclined to believe the offense has regressed since his departure and what little success we did have at the beginning of the season was thanks in part to Turk Shonert.
T.O. made it painfully obvious on Wed. interview that the Buffalo Bills offense lacks the proper amount of sophistication to be successful in the NFL. When asked why Dallas seemed to be able to get him the ball without a hitch yet Buffalo was unable , T.O.'s reply indicated the Dallas Cowboy's play schemes allowed T.O. to get open and the Buffalo Bill's offense simply was not capable of producing the same results.
In my opinion the Buffalo Bills are worse off without Turk Shonert at the OC position and this is another HC blunder we are suffering through because our HC is a glorified DB coach without a clue. I like DJ and its easy to see why the players like him, but I would like him allot more if he was not the head coach of the Buffalo Bills.
My observations are not meant to reflect on AVP's game planning or play calling capabilities.
What? Do you ever make sense? Your observations are directly about the OC and the effect on the offense yet you write a disclaimer at the bottom to say its not a reflection on how AVP has done? How is that even possible?
So you are saying we REGRESSED and were only good in the NE game (when we were not that good with only 17 offensive points, no WR involvement, and we lost) because it was close to when Turk was fired so we still had some "Turk" left in the offense. If that is true, how in the world does that not reflect on AVP?
Your entire post is a direct slap at AVP and you know it, but rather than once again flip flop and contradict all your claims to AVP's greatness (even calling for him to be HC) you just write a disclaimer...LMAO (seiously, I literally laughed out loud)
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T.O. is the biggest reason the Buffalo Bills have not gone over the edge in my opinion.
This doesnt even make sense...lmao
One, when has Buffalo ever gone "over the edge"? And two, how has TO somehow prevented it this year?
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I've done lots of fooling around with our DraftTek 2010 Draft Simulator, and it seems to
make the most sense to pick a DT early in this draft based on the relative strengths of each position.
There is a cluster of very good DT's and WR's right where we'll likely pick (#5 to #12) in Round 1. I notified DraftTek
that we wanted DT Ndamukong Suh if he was still available at our Mock's pick (he was).
In the second round, we'll likely find a cluster of OT's (Ciron Black and Charles Brown, and Maryland's Bruce Campbell) plus some very good QB's (Bradford, Tebow, Locker) and DE's (Selvie, Odrick, Woodden, Oghobaase). I'm of the school that would pick an OT here; the computer picked OT Charles Brown since Black was just picked.
The third round has OLB's galore going early (#65-#77). These will include Bruce Carter (likely gone by our pick), Travis Lewis (Oklahoma), A.J. Edds (Iowa), and Justin Cole (more of a 3-4 backer). Sure enough, the simulator picked Travis Lewis OLB for the Bills.
Early RD#4 looks like a hodgepodge right now, with teams picking by need. The simulator picked Dan LeFevour QB out of Central Michigan, but QB Clausen was still on the board, as was Dennis Pitta, the TE from BYU (watch him on Saturday), and Cameron Heyward, DE from Ohio State. An emotional pick would be Mike Williams WR Syracuse, picked by Dallas at #112.
If you use the Simulator (link) let me know what you think, and how we can improve it for general use.
Astro
The problem is that your mock wont be remotely close to what will go down come draft time as the landscape of the draft will change a lot between now and then. I dont think Suh will fall to us unless we have a very high pick, which we wont given our weak schedule. I seriously doubt we pick in the top 10...more like 11 to 15 again.
That being said, we have much more pressing needs than a DT IMO. Highest priorities should be QB or T before we go DT. I know Stroud is no spring chicken, but him and Williams are more than serviceable compared to having no competent QB at this point (unless Ftiz develops) and a deficit at Tackle. Bell I think still has potential to keep getting better, but as of right now, I dont know if he is gonna cut it. So, as we stand today, T and QB are out two biggest holes to fill.
Dont get me wrong, if Sub falls to us, I have no problem with the pick per se, but still I think QB or T should be our first choice if there is someone there worth taking with out pick.
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What is it with you and the flip flop, is your mind that one track that you have to start this BS on every damn thread that mentions Trent Edwards and make everyone listen to your BS over and over and over again.
LOL...I love how you ignore the question...but thats to be expected from you...
Your one track comment has no relevance to the post above or to the fact you spew so much flip flopping gibberish that you dont even realize how many times a week you completely contradict yourself.
Wouldnt be a big deal if you werent calling everyone retards for saying something then flip flopping and saying the very same thing you called them retards for saying. The best part is when you flip sides, you start calling the other side (which you were just on) retards too...even funnier yet, you often flip back to that other side and later flip again. Just depends on each thread and what the popular sentiment is in each thread.
Do you understand the stupidity in that? Probably not...none the less its hilarious
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Why do I get the feeling JP will still be a topic on this board even 5 years from now
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The offensive line has been shaky at times this year. I think they are most shaky in fourth quarters where the Bills are behind and defenses can pin their ears back. I don't feel TE is under anymore pressure than half the teams in the league. TE holds the ball to long and doesn't move well in the pocket. Unless the play is designed for TE to move outside the hashes he can't make plays. Even then he holds it forever. I just don't see him making plays with or without immediate pressure.
Unfortunately, Edwards has many of the same traits as JP and most QBs who wash out of the NFL.
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My own personal theory is that Trent has all the physical tools to be a fine NFL QB. I don't think he has the drive and will to win and attention span of a guy like Flutie or Jim Kelly or Roger Staubach or Big Ben. Every year he has played he's started out looking really good. Even the first few games this year. Then after a while he starts to play uninspired football (like the Clowns and Fish games). I just don't think he has the drive and attention span to put together more than 5 or 6 weeks of good football.
Sometime he can't even keep it going for a whole game. How many times have we seen him come out on fire only to fizzle late in the game? See the Patsies* game this year or the Giants game in 2007 for example. After 2006 JP vowed to take a month off and then come back to Buffalo and work out, etc and did. Brett Favre works out with high school kids. Trent goes back to CA to play golf. That's what's missing IMHO.
Funny little stat about Trent...he was the worst rated QB in the NFL last year during the first halves of games. I dont mean the first half of the season, I mean literally the first 2 quarters of each game, and his rating was very low.
To me that tells me something about his ability to see the field. He gets out there and doesnt know what he is looking at and cant get comfortable. His only success came in second halves of games when the coaches can get to him and show him how to beat the defenses, and even that didnt help much once teams had Trent figured out.
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Trent Edwards problem is an inexperienced O-line and OC along with a HC who should be coaching the DB's.
Trent Edwards problem is the bone headed FO that decided to get cute and revamp a decent O-line in the offseason.
Trent Edwards problem is the Buffalo Bills don't have a clue on how to do anything right including develop a QB without getting him killed.
hahahaha, flip flopping again...classic dog14787
Dude, make up your mind. One week Trent is better than Jim Kelly and "magical". Then, after you got flamed unmercifully by so many posters for literally inventing a fake second concussion last season to try and make yet another excuse for him, you flip flop in the very same thread 2 posts later to say Trent does suck and isnt an NFL QB...you literally called for Fitz to start.
You also ball washed AVP and called for him to be HC. Now you are once again making excuses for Trent and actually blaming your beloved AVP as an additional excuse?
So, I am asking you right now, which is it? You have said Trent is better than Jim Kelly, and you have also said 2 weeks ago he isnt an NFL QB and Fitz should be starting. Now you are back to making excuses for Trent...
Piece of advice, if you are going to go from one side to the other on so many topics so many times, maybe you shouldnt call everyone a "retard", "idiot", "moron", "dumbass", etc. considering how often you "change" your mind (aka, flip flop)
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Well if you discount the Super Bowl win in 2002 then you have to factor in Gruden's his work was the Raiders. The Raiders were a constant threat to win the Super Bowl from 2000-2002 (Conference title game in 2000, lost on the Tuck rule in 2001 in the second run, and Lost the Super Bowl in 2002).
Gruden might not have built that Tampa team in 2002 but he did take them farther then Dungy which is still an accomplishment. So while his post 2002 work with Tampa might have been mediocre his work with the Raiders and the 2002 run was pretty dam good.
So Gruden was pretty key in rebuilding the Raiders (Which as we see now isn't an easy thing to do and might be one of the few situations that is actually worse than the Bills) and if he came here to Buffalo I would be confident he could do a similar job. As for Allen his work with Tampa was fairly below average but he was a part of rebuilding the Raiders in a senior consultant form.
I hear ya, and his time with the Raiders is the reason I would be fine with him taking over for DJ. Still, I think there are better options out there... Which Gruden do you get? How intrumental was he in rebuilding the Raiders? If you think about, the same can be said for him in Oakland. They finally made the SB once Gruden left. And regardless what anyone says, IMO the Tuck rule was the correct call according to the rules. So, as far as I am concerned he lost that game fair and square.
All I know is he was given a tremndous amount of influence in TB, way more than Oakland, and that organization was never the same again and he was eventually fired for losing the trust of his team. His managing of QB's considering we yet to have one, also concerns me unless he brings in a proven vet.
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You may be right about the trust issue. Im not going to comment because I wouldnt know. But he didnt exactly have the best scenario in Tampa. Not that he would for sure here either. But he most likely wouldnt be handcuffed to no 1st and 2nd round picks for the first few years. He would have a QB that IMO even he could coach and progress with, and if not theres always FA or the draft.
The fact is that he is miles better than Jauron. I would take Gruden and the worst team in the league over Jauron and these Bills almost any day. Chances are about 50/50 on who would win that game.
Yeah I hear ya, like I said, I too would take Gruden over DJ if for nothing else the attitude he brings. I just think there are better options available so he is not my first choice. I think he is over hyped and the fact his team didnt trust him or belive he could win is a lot bigger than many people understand.
One other thing about Gruden is that he prefers veteran QB's not young QB's and has never really had any success yet developing a young QB. In fact, TB managed their QB's worse than how we have handled ours in Buffalo, and thats saying a lot and that was one of the contributors to why his team didtnt trust him. So if we do get a young QB in the draft, I would have some concerns on whether Gruden would have the patience to develop him.
I think Bruce Allen makes our FO worse...look at our draft this year for example, it is looking like a very good draft. There wasnt a single year in TB under Allen that was considered a "good" draft let alone a very good draft and they werent missing thsoe draft picks mentioned by some all 7 years they were there.
So would I be upset if we got Gruden...No. Would I prefer him to DJ...Yes. Do I think he is over hyped...Yes
Would I be upset if got Allen...Yes. Do I think he is any good...Nope
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Could be, but really all I am saying is he was put in a tough position. I don't think anyone can truly blame AVP at this point, it's not his offensive design.
Tough position yes...but seriously, his literal lack of making any offensive adjustments is inexcusable. We have a young OL that has had its struggles and a QB who bails on the plays the first sign of pressure and checks down failing to get our WR's invovled...so how do you fix that? Slants, quick routes, crossing routes, 3 step drops and fire, etc, etc. (see Wes Welker to see how a team has mastered these routes).
So, if our O Line cant hold the D out long enough for Trent to be comfortable, then you need to adapt. And lets be honest, Trent doesnt seem to understand how to slide in the pocket and create more time for routes to develop either, so that really compounds the problem. Yet another reason AVP has to adjust and find new ways to get our WR's the ball.
We literally have the most predictable offense in the NFL by a mile, and its a joke. We run the same sets and the same plays. No 4 to 5 WR sets, rarely see Nelson on the field, no spreads, no ML and FJ together in the backfield, etc, etc.
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Whats funny is that you discredit him for winning the Super Bowl because he inherited the "already favorite" to win but you didnt give him any credit for his competition in that game. It works both ways. If your saying Dungy should get credit for putting that Super Bowl team together then you have to give Gruden credit for putting the Raiders Super Bowl team together. At that point one can argue that Gruden won because he was the better coach.
He would be 100 times better than what we have now. How many Playoff games does Jauron have on his record? Now ask yourself how many Gruden has. The facts are that Gruden has taken multiple teams to multiple playoff games. He was also the QB coach in Green Bay during the Holmgren years. I would say he did pretty well there too.
The reason I didnt talk about Oakland was because of someones direct comments on his time in TB, which is why I kept it to TB.
Look, honestly, I would take Gruden any day over DJ at this point, if for nothing else, the attitude. But having played football I know how bad it is to have your players not trust you. You could be Lombardi himself, but if your players dont trust you then you wont win, and its been well documented that he was fired because his players didnt trust him in TB. That is what concerns me the most.
Gruden did have a good run in Oakland, but for me, his time in TB was poor during the 6 years after the SB. He had just one really good season in 7 years, and that was the year more than 90% of the team was the team he inherited and he won the SB. In six years he had back to back winning seasons once and only made playoffs twice (both times as a team that posed no threat to make a good run in playoffs).
And, its hard, and I mean pretty hard, for a coach to lose the trust of his team, especially one with a SB ring and a mystique like Gruden. To me, that says far more than a SB ring he won given how he won it...
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Gruden took them to the playoffs in three separate seasons, and actually WON a Superbowl with them. I'm pretty sure he was a successful coach there.
Really? He made the playoffs and won the SB in his FIRST year there with a team built by someone else...after that, he missed the playoffs, dismantled the team and managed just TWO playoff appearances in 6 years after, none of which his team was even a threat to go far.
He destroyed a perennial SB contending team after winning the SB in his first year there, the very year TB was already the favorite to win it anyway which led to him having a losing season the very next year after the SB win. A point carefully ignored is that he had a HUGE advantage in that SB win as he knew the offense inside and out and they didnt change it. His players have already acknowledged this saying they exactly what Oakland was doing throughout the whole game.
He had only ONE back to back winning seasons, and that was his last 2 years there where he was 9-7...and then last year he missed the playoffs despite leading the division with 4 weeks left by losing all 4 games in a row, including the last game of the season to the lowly Raiders where a win gets him in the playoffs...
Yeah, he was really great in TB.
Not to mention, he jettisoned his best players, the players didnt trust him (which is why he was fired), he mismanages QB's more than we do, cant develop a QB, and has a horrendous draft record with Mr. Allen...
lmao
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The most I can hope for is that below average Fitz can sling the ball down the field and show the potential of what our offense COULD look like if we had a QB that threw past 5 yards on every play.....
We do not have our starting QB on the roster.....
Precisely my point...if Fitz does enough to show what we could do with a real QB, would Ralph then say, lets get a QB before we get a coach? Would he rationalize that DJ was undone because of the inept play at QB and Ralph decide to use that as an excuse to keep him given his contract status and just pursue a QB?
Thats my original question...and thats what I mean when I said could Fitz actually save DJ's job. It was never speculated Fitz would morph into our QB of the future (although its possible, I mean he barely has the experience of a 2nd year QB, so who knows what he can do yet) and get us to the playoffs, thats where others took it as they didnt even read the OP probably and reacted to just the title...
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“I don’t think we doubled him once,” the Jets player said. “Buffalo will make you hit a wall [in your career]. People thought Randy Moss hit a wall, too, didn’t they? How motivated is [Owens] to play in Buffalo? How excited is he about the offense? They just canned the no-huddle [stuff] because it wasn’t working. They’re not finding creative ways to get him the football, either.”
Asked if he thought Owens could still be a great player in the league, the Jets player replied, “I don’t know. But definitely not on that offense.”
Whats wrong with this? Its dead on accurate. If TO was on a team with a QB and a real offense, he would be a top 15 WR easily. Same for Lee Evans...heck, I bet if Evans was in Balt, Philly, etc where they need a WR he would be top 10 in production right now.
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Where to start.
Lee Evans--- 6 games 227 receiving yds 2 TD's. Averaging a whopping 37.8 yards per game. Projected 2009 season stats 604 yds and 5.23 touchdowns.
Owens---6 games 215 receiving yds and 1 TD. Averaging a blistering 35.8 yards per game. Projected 2009 season stats 573 yards 2.65 touchdowns
How many millions are we paying for the production???
Bills QBs---1017 passing yards and 7 TDs. Averaging 169.5 yards per game. Projected 2009 season stats 2712 yards
18.5 TD
Our runningbacks are on pace for ZERO TDs, yes Jackson and Lynch do not have a rushing TD, in fact no Buffalo PLAYER has scored a rushing TD in SIX GAMES. Our entire rushing offense, including everyone on the team, is on pace for a total of 1947 yards and a mind boggling ZERO TDs.
Put the rushing and receiving together and our TEAM is on pace for 18.5 TD's in the 2009 season
It would be sad if it wasnt so funny.
Evans and TO's production is a direct result of an inept QB who wont throw to them and an inept OC who doesnt know how to adjust a game plan as a result of that to get them involved. So, yes we are paying them a lot, they are worth what we those WR's, but it does us no good unless you get a QB who isnt afraid to throw to them or doesnt give up on the play at the first sign of a rush.
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He wasn't hurt until well into game 3. Went 7-9 the year before with losses to such powerhouses as the Browns, KC, SF49s and, oh yeah, the Bills.
The point is not that CP is not a great QB. The point is simply that the team was not much good.
At least RFs 13 points were good enough to win a game for a change.
Yup, but a little more on Palmer and this so called high power offense the Bengals allegedly had that Fitz worked with...
Palmer played deep into the fourth game, almost the entire game and had almost 40 passes attempts that fourth game.
He had 3 TD's, 4 INT's, and was sacked 11 times in essentially four games...that Bengals team was bad even with a proven guy like Palmer at the helm.
CJ even admitted he dogged it and "checked out" the whole season.
Add in no running game until the final 3 games (Which Fitz won) and you cant possibly be able to evaluate Fitz off that...
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And it's been all downhill from there.
Do you know anything about Fitz? Seriously...
He has the equivalent on field experience of a QB barely in his second year...Werent you one of the guys saying Trent has struggled because he only had 2 years experience? Now Fitz has had less than that on teams much worse than ours...
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Allen + Gruden + Tebow = Success.
LMAO
Allen + Gruden didnt equal success in TB and Gruden doesnt like young QB's...
Allen + Gruden ran TB into the ground...only once did they have back to back winning seasons, both of which were 9-7 and only once in those 2 seasons they made the playoffs.
Their draft history there has been poor...
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I disagree. Despite his struggles this year, Delhomme is much better than any QB we have had since Bledsoe (who was released because of whiny fans). Carolina is better along the offensive and defensive line than we are, and half our defense is hurt. KC is much better than you think- I have seen them a couple times this year and although I thought Cassel was going to suck away from New England, I have to admit, I was wrong- he's the best thing they have on their improving team. I don't think we sweep NY and we will lose to Miami again.
Until we get the franchise in order, it doesn't matter if we have Jauron or bring Hank Bullough back.
Again though, I did not say we will "win" those games or that they are "easy" games. I said they are "winnable", thats a big difference.
So let me get this straight...we should have beat NE and blew it and with a QB that wasnt afraid to throw and could see his WR's we could have beat NO (two of the best teams in football), plus we just beat the Jets...but you dont think we can beat KC, Car, Mia, Tenn, Jax, or the Jets (again)?
Dont you think thats a little unreasonable? Again, no one is saying we "will" win those games, but these games are winnable, especially if Fitz can pump some life into the passing game and utilize TO and Evans...
Atl and NE I think can be penciled in as losses for us. NE seems to have its Rhythm again and ATL is solid...Indy I think plays their backups, so we should win that game. Hou will also be tough too...
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When people like Pdaddy and others say Edwards didn't regress you haven't been watching the first 6 games of the year in 2008. He was averaging around 240 yards, a rating over 92, and he made some plays down the field, sometimes at key points (Jax game, Raiders game) when we were behind. He was playing good enough that people in the league looked at him as a potential MVP candidate as crazy as that sounds right now.
If that's not regression and he showed nothing this conversation would be over.
My biggest disappointment has been the destruction of a young QB in Edwards, the regression of ST, and how Dick is still the coach.
You do realize he wasnt that good in our first 6 games last year right? He was most unproductive in almost all the games but two. Key plays in 3 of them by our defense, ST, and Lynch bailed him out. Not saying he didnt make some good plays at the end of some of these games, but his game as a whole was not very good in 3 of them and others bailed us to put us in position to steal a win.
Sea - Good game
Oak, Jax, St. Louis - He was bad in 3 quarters of these games. Sure he made a couple key throws late, but honestly, we were in these games becuase other players got us there. Without the defensive TD late, the ST TD late, Marshawns two miraculous runs to extend the game winning drive on TWO Trent checkdowns one on 3rd and ten and the other on 4th and long, or Kawikas INT, we lose at least 2 of these games and probably all 3. We barely beat these 3 teams who were 3 of the worst in football.
AZ - hurt
SD - Good game
So, of the first 6 games, he played in 5 and he was good in only 2. And all of these teams were literally amongst the worst in defense last year and all were amongst the worst teams in football (AZ doesnt count as he didnt really play) with the exception of SD who turned it on AFTER our game but still had one of the worst pass D's in the league.
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That doesn't make sense.
Ryan Fitz:
5.3 Yard per Attempt
57.7% Completion percentage
51.4 QB Rating
Trent Edwards:
6.7 Yard per Attempt
61.2% Completion percentage
78.0 QB Rating
I dont understand how you can say that Fitz has a huge arm, the guy is averaging a full yard less per attempt (and that is with starting all last year with Ochocinco and TJ Housh on his team). Trent was airing it out all year at the beginning of last year until they started rolling a guy over the top on Lee, and then we had no second WR.
Rule #1: YPA has NOTHING, and I mean literally NOTHING to do with arm strength...LMAO at that comparison...
Cincy had the worst O line in footbally last year and a first year starter in Fitz with his top WR admittedly "checked out" and "dogging" it all year with NO running game of any kind until the final few games (games Fitz won mind you). Thats why his YPA was low.
Completion % and QB rating....once again, NOTHING to do with arm strength.
Funny thing is, Fitz showcased that arm strenght on the laser he hit on Evans for a TD and the incredible long throw to Evans on the 2 that was over turned (and it wasnt over turned because of the throw)...
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I doubt most people would agree with this. i'm sure there are plenty of folks in here that might think that but I'm not thinking this is all TE's fault. Has DJ ever had a decent offense while he was a head coach? IMHO, he wants a conservative offense that plays not to lose. Given a different coach and different coaching philosophy I think TE could be a quality starter in this league. Probably not a pro bowler but a decent starter...
Has DJ ever had a decent QB while HC?
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because fitzpatrick doesn't have anything else going for him - IE accuracy and reading defenses. he's not good. he practiced and played a LOT last year with 2 recievers far far better than Owens and Evans - and he still had a pretty bad season stat wise. trent's weaknesses are mainly mental, which says a lot. he's never been the same since that concussion last year and this one isn't going to help either. I mean, he rarely ran his first 1 1/2 seasons here... now he scrambles like a mad man. its like he is cloning into losman without the cannon and inabilty to get the ball out of his hands...
Hold on a second...he came in mid season last year with NO reps with the starting offense, so how do you say he played a lot with them? It was only his second year on the team as a backup to Palmer, he had literally hardly any time with the first unit. Not to mention, it was his first action ever as a full time starter really. He has the starting experience of a QB in his 2nd year...
More stuff people just pull out their azz as if it were true...serioulsy, the whole thing about Cincy last year is so lame because people act like he started the season as a starter and had all offseason to prepare.
Oh, and Palmer, with the same team and weapons was 0-4 with 2 games under 150yds (1 of which under 100yds) with just 3 TD's and 4 INT's, 2 fumbles and 11 sacks over the 4 games...with Chad Johnson admitedly checked out last year, a terrible O line, no running game, and no TE production, even Palmer struggled...Our offense easily has more talent on it than Cincy had last year...
PS: Cincy avg 3.6 yards per carry and gave up 49 sacks...so even the O line was worse...
Turk Shonert
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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WHAT?
You argued over an over again how AVP called the "perfect" game and called everyone retards if they didnt agree with you, I mean I can show you the threads. All you did was ball wash AVP for days after that game, calling him the next great OC, our future HC, the missing piece for Trent, etc etc all off that one game.
Now you are taking that credit away from AVP and giving it to Turk?
OMG...you cant be serious...you are too much...