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Couldn’t agree more. First, I think Coleman could have a bigger season than probably at least 3 or 4 of the WRs taken ahead of him. Second, you can tell the vast majority complaining about him literally know nothing about him and are making up assumptions over what they perceive his combine 40 time means. And they also ignore that his 40 time was much better at his pro day and that he showed it wasn’t a fluke as he also has the fastest gauntlet of anyone at the combine which is a much bigger indicator of in game speed. And quite frankly if anyone associates 40 times with mainly how WRs get separation then they don’t really understand how WRs get separation. Ask any coach, GM, or scout and they will tell you as a stand alone stat the 40 times are the most overrated stat of the combine and overly fixated on by the media and fans. It’s small part of a much larger picture.

Ray Davis was one of my favorite picks. He’s gonna eat here, and I don’t know how anyone can watch even the first minute of the video posted and not think he’s fast. And we don’t have stupid Dorsey anymore afraid to play the talent. I think Davis and Cook are going to make a dynamic 1-2 punch as the run game continues to be a big part of the offense under Brady. I said it before the draft…I said it during the draft…and I’ve said it after the draft. This offense not only will be a top unit again, it has the potential to be the best one of Allen’s career. I will have a more detailed write up of this tomorrow too.

Watch James Cook highlights from last year. OL was letting him get big gains before he had anyone touching him. OL was not like the OL of years past last season.

And it’s ok to differ on him, nothing wrong with that. But I do think the people who are down him is mostly because they really don’t understand who he is or what we just drafted. I also think people fail to realize how much speed is actually on this team right now. Kincaid is one the most promising young TEs in the game and going to be a nightmare for defenses as soon as maybe this year. When you point out how bad the back to back SB Champs are in the WR room the first thing they say is well they have Kelce, best TE ever even though he’s lost a step. So why is KC allowed to have a bad WR room and depend on one TE and the Bills aren’t allowed to have a better WR room and a TE that will be better this year than Kelce was last year? Then you have Shakir who runs close a 4.4 forty himself and is a YAC machine. Samuel runs a 4.31 forty himself and is only 27. Then you have James Cook, a fast and explosive RB both as a runner and receiver out of the back field. Now add in Josh Allen who is one of the most dangerous QBs while running ever. For anyone to think we don’t have speed on this team is misguided. And again, Coleman not only improved his 40 time significantly, he also had the fastest gauntlet of anyone which is a much more important indicator of true in game speed. It’s all good, nothing but respect for you as a poster. But I am very confident people are going to be looking back midseason next year both realizing I was right about Shakir (from my other thread) and I was right about Coleman being a dog for us. This dude can ball and Bills Mafia will realize that this year.

One, I was high on him coming into the draft and you can see that in my posting history. So this isn’t me “wanting” to be happy with the pick, it’s me being happy with the pick because I spent a lot of time on the WRs this year, including talking to people I trust. Everyone is going to have different opinions, but all the whining (not saying you) and labeling the kid as a bust or capping his potential by people around here who know nothing about him or that getting separation and open has very little to do with 40 times is as over the top as it was on Josh Allen, Bernard, Milano, etc. Let the kid play. He’s gonna prove a lot of people wrong around here and I’m very confident about that personally.

Im not discrediting facts, I literally said I trust the facts coming from actual professionals not a fantasy football fan who turned his love for fantasy football into a job. And you just shared a scout comparing him to a borderline HOF WR. If he has the same rookie season Boldin had we might finally advance in the playoffs. PS: He’s also faster, taller and more athletic than Anquan Boldin.

What I am saying is that Matt Harmon doesn’t have the same qualifications to make that assessment over people who know a lot more about film breakdown, football, scouting, and grading prospects who don’t have the same concerns about him getting separation in the NFL. So going back to the original point…Coleman was not as “polarizing” as you put it among the experts that he was amongst the fans, and Mark Harmon is a fan you created a career around fantasy football breakdowns. He isn’t a trained scout. And most real football professionals were very high on him and had him generally ranked in the WR6 range ahead of most the WRs other people wanted us to draft.

Haha good reference. I think you can say a little bit of that for sure.

Actually the gap is quite wide in skill, time invested, knowledge, and information between professional scouts and fan evaluations. I know some scouts and I can tell you it’s not close to what they have on these guys and the time they put in.

You think making charts for fantasy football purposes of things that already happened equates to him breaking down film and analyzing prospects and the nuances of their positions to determine their actual strengths, weaknesses, and abilities to develop at the next level? Analyzing stuff for fantasy football has no automatic correlation to scouting and grading college prospects.

I can assure you that you don’t at all understand who Keon Coleman is.

You know Coleman is faster than DeAndre Hopkins, Cooper Kupp, and whole lot of other great WRs right?

Every player has critics, and I hard disagree about Matt Harmon who is just a fantasy football commentator.

That’s not actually the issue. We are the 2nd highest scoring team in the NFL the past 4 years. Our biggest issues on offense have been we are a soft offense outside of Allen…a finesse offense where we didn’t have that toughness to match our opponents in the playoffs. We haven’t been able to match the more physical play that happens in the playoffs and it’s why we just can’t make that “one more play” than KC. They have toughness that comes out in big moments, we haven’t. We aren’t trying to build back the same soft finesse team. We are building a tougher team full of guys who make plays, make catches, and have the toughness and edge to step up when it matters.

The irony here is that Coleman ran a faster 40 at the Combine than Cooper Kupp. Also, did you not know Coleman ran an even faster 40 at his pro day and that it’s faster than DeAndre Hopkins fastest time? We just drafted a guy who is a more athletic and more physical DeAndre Hopkins. It’s like if Brandon Marshall and Hopkins had a baby it would be Coleman. I can’t wait to look back at all these crazy takes and reactions like the Allen thread though, it’s gonna be fun.

No disrespect, but the only people Coleman was polarizing too were fans who don’t understand WRs or that 40 times are the most over rated and meaningless stat, especially when discussing separation. These are the same fans that don’t realize that Coleman ran a faster 40 at his pro day too. The same fans who don’t know that his 40 time is faster than DeAndre Hopkins, Cooper Kupp, Brandon Marshall, Larry Fitzgerald, and so many more elite WRs. GMs, scouts, analysts, etc don’t find him “polarizing” and love this guy and his potential. New England was trying to trade ahead of us to get him at end of first round and couldn’t pull it off. His avg WR ranking was WR6 and ahead of so many “speedy” guys for a reason.

Anyone who calls him a possession receiver or compares him to Benjamin, Funchess, etc has no idea what they are talking about. They are just uninformed people who read about a meaningless 40 time at the combine and made wild and stupid assumptions off it. An actual comparison is actually a more athletic DeAndre Hopkins or Brandon Marshall. In fact, if Hopkins and Marshall had a baby it would be Coleman. And…wait for it…Coleman ran a faster 40 at his pro day and that was faster than both Hopkins and Marshall’s fastest 40 times. Bonus nugget: Anyone who thinks 40 times have anything to do with getting separation in the NFL have no idea about what they are talking about and no idea how analyze and grade a WR.

All you did with this thread and tell everyone you literally know nothing about Coleman and Davis. If you did you wouldn’t have started it with these inaccurate and lazy comparisons. And I don’t know why this is so hard for people to understand…but Beane isn’t trying to bring in Davis 2.0 and Diggs 2.0 so stop trying to say well this guy must be this guys replacement. Its not at all what they are doing.

Thats not what he was saying though. Go listen to the interview. He said what I’ve been saying for months, the team is being built tougher with more edge so we stop playing so soft in the playoffs and get out bullied. He’s looking for edge on these guys and leadership. This quote was taken out of context and he wasn’t saying we are rebuilding.

Can we just make him the best FB in the NFL please. This big man can move.

4.51 isn’t slow. Thats what he ran on his pro day.

Sorry, I thought you were comparing them, misunderstood. I do think Coleman will be our WR1. They aren’t trying to rebuild the same style offense and I think want more toughness and physical players.

Sorry…but…You don’t know what you are talking about if you think there is any similarity between Coleman and Gave Davis. And I’m gonna guess you only made that lazy inaccurate comparison over a combine 40 time that was improved upon at his Pro day too. They are not at all the same player.

Shame on Allen for wanting a big target who makes big catches when he needs someone like that in the big moments that Diggs never did.

Way too much is made of this though. Very vast majority the greatest WRs in the NFL now and in history did not run sub 4.3 or less forty’s. It’s not the prerequisite to be great many in this board think it is.