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Per WGR.
I think this is being speculated what he is looking for, not an offer actually made. However, everything I have seen and heard indicates that Ralph is prepared to make a big splash like this for his next coach.
No one seems to think we will get Shannahan, but honestly, I think he is going to be our next coach. Not because of this thread, but because he fits in great here and Shannahan has never been one for the spotlight. His style of football plays very well on a team like this. Not to mention, he gets to go up against BB in NE twice a year. Before BB, Shannahan was supposed to be the offensive genius, now its clearly BB. Being able to build a team and take over this division from BB would make him a legend.
More importantly, he is up in Buffalo...so he isnt going to have the National spotlight on him while righting the ship like he would in Dallas or Washington. Not to mention, the AFC East is a far easier division than the NFC East.
On top of all that, a coach of his caliber that wants a lot of control isnt going to enjoy dealing with meddling owners like Snyder and Jones. Even better, this team has a lot of young talent, is a couple pieces away from being competitive, and isnt in salary cap hell like other teams.
We are a lot more attractive to someone like Shannahan than a lot of people realize. If Ralph really does throw a big offer at him, I would be utterly shocked he doesnt take it.
The media sees a big name and assumes he wants to be in the big spotlight completely ignoring that the two biggest spotlights Dal and Was to likely have job openings have meddling owners and that these coaches that want control are not going to want to deal with that.
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If there's any chance Brohm could be the future starter with the Buffalo Bills ( don't know much about him) then we need to have our O-line problems repaired before we try to put Brohm out onto the field against some of the top defenses in the NFL.
I realize half the people on this board thinks the O-line doesn't mean anything and a QB can magically make it all better, but I would hope our coaching staff realizes the error of their ways and says nope, you know what, we are not going to play Brohm until next season.
This is your problem dog...you dont pay attention to what you read. You see someone criticize Trent and then go off on some crazy tangent to defend him rather than read what people are really saying. You say "half the people on this board thinks the O-Line doesnt mean anything and a QB can magically make it all better" when I would bet you money that there isnt a single person on this board that doesnt believe the O Line is important.
You think this because you use the O Line as your most common excuse to defend Trent. Then others come back with the points that the O Line may be bad, but so is other teams like GB and yet their QB's still produce. They are not saying that the O Line isnt important, they are pointing out that the incredibly poor play by Trent and Fitz isnt all because of our O Line. When Trent has time, he still plays bad. Good QB's find ways to make plays...Trent just doesnt get it done.
That being said...Our O Line still has more talent on it now than it did last year and is one player away from being pretty good. Bell hasnt worked out, but with Meredith, Wood, Levitre, Hangartner, and Butler we have a pretty strong unit to build around. We pick up a LT in the draft or FA, we will have a pretty good young line moving forward.
But we could have the best line in football and our O would still blow with Trent under center or Fitz
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And He leaves without a contract or verbal agreement, conversation is over as far as him being head coach. Cowher already said he was waiting until end of year to see options, Holmgren (leaning towards Cleveland..who knows).
Obviously Shanahan is not picking Buffalo at the end of the year when these other cities come into play. Ralph WILL throw the kitchen sink at this guy this week and we just have to pray that it sways Shanny to take the job. This has to happen this week. I think all the eggs are in this basket!
Like others, I disagree. If we are so undesireable Shannahan wouldnt be coming in the first place, he would have respectfully declined. Instead, not only is he coming, but he's interested in what we have to say. If there is interest, then there is a chance.
Dallas and Washington as pointed out have history on their side, but honestly, someone like Shannahan or Cowher are not going to be as excited about Dallas as some may think. They will have far less control than they want and a owner that meddles more than they will want. Lots of people dont really respect Snyder in Washington either or how he runs that team.
So why I see Was and Dallas being the two more attractive options in terms of history, I dont necessairly see them as being as attractive to some of the bigger name coaches who will want a lot of control or have egos that wont appreciate the level of owner involvement those teams have.
Buffalo is a lot more attractive than many people think, especially given how much young talent we have on this team. We are honestly a good QB away from being competitive and if we can shore up the O Line and add some depth to this team we would be quite dangerous. We are not as far off as Bills fans of this board like to think, and I am sure these other coaches see that.
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I can't imagine why any experienced coach would agree to a deal now without pursuing the other potential openings. Not because it's Buffalo, but because they want to look at several options.
I do think that if Ralph makes some noise among the higher profile coaching candidates soon that you might see other teams launch their coaches before the end of the year so that they aren't late to the coach hiring party.
Actually, this offseason there will be a lot of proven and talented HC's available as well as some red hot assitants but there wont be that many openings. Probably looking at about 5 HC job openings give or take 1 or 2 with 15 top HC candidates available from proven HC, SB winning HC, sure fire HOF HC's and red hot assistant HC's.
So, there is your incentive right there...
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File this in the rumor pile. All my family lives in the SF/Oakland Bay area. One of them told me Trent isn't playing because of a concussion and that he's being checked out by a specialist. I told him that he got the concussion weeks ago but he thought it was more recent than that. Now I don't know if this has any merit. The one thing I know is its more likely to come out of Northern California, since he's from Los Gatos & went to Stanford than Buffalo the way the Bills keep everything from the WNY media.
If this is true, it might explain why he seemed to get worse as the game went on in Tennessee, especially if the latest concussion came in the Tennessee game. It was awfully odd to see him get pulled at the end last week.
Come on now...lets think about this logically. If the only reason Trent was pulled in Tenn and didnt start this week was because of a concussion, then they would have said so. They are not going to pull a guy becuase he is hurt, bench him the following week because he is hurt and not say he is hurt. If you have confidence in a guy and hes your man, then you are not going to create the illusion that you dont by benching him for an injury and not telling anyone about it.
Benching Trent said loud and clear, he's not our guy. So if is still their guy but is being benched by injury, they would say so.
Clearly, your the people you got your info from are most likely confusing his previous concussion this season with today. You even said he "thought" it was more recent than that, but his last concussion wasnt that long ago and when someone says I "thought" it usually means they are not very certain.
In other words, Trent is benched because he sucks and hasnt been getting it done. Trent Edwards is done in Buffalo and they will give Brohm every chance to win the job or a rookie QB next year the chance.
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I have been sick of the posts on Peters for a while, but I need to make this known. A lot of you have tried to defend his trade by saying he was fat, overrated, and lazy. I have seen more than a number of Eagles games and he has been a beast. Just like he was with the Bills. Our team has a lot of holes, A LOT, and we would have one less if we didn;t trade him away, or...better yet...giving him a decent contract 2 years ago at a much more manageable rate.
LOL, hes been playing WELL below the level of his contract in Philly...fans and teammates have questioned his desire even. Hes playing at about the crappy level he played for the Bills last season and is no where near the level his contract suggests he should be at this point.
Not to mention, we did pretty well in the draft with the draft picks we got for him and put good young talent on this team.
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Exactly .... wherever Dungy goes, Vick will follow. A year ago, I'd say NOOOOOOOOO ... but now??? I'd be happy with that. Even if Vick doesn't turn out to be the answer at QB, there would be a hell of a lot more free agents willing to brave the cold in Buffalo for Dungy than there were for the likes of Williams, Mularkey and Jauron.
Yeah me too...I was never a big fan of Vick at QB even prior to the dog fighting, but honestly, there is very little out there on the FA market. Vick has immense physical talent and is such a mutli dimemsional threat, but his accuracy was not exactly something to rave about. However, I would be curious to see what Dungy could do to help make him a better QB.
At the same time, I real interested to see what Brohm can do. I think he has a lot of upside.
Either way, I think if Brohm can show enough to indicate he could challenge for the starting job, or if Dungy comes and brings Vick, we will be in a much better position for the draft and can go OT in the first instead of QB.
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You know Dungy had a pretty mediocre record before he finally struck gold the Colts. Having Peyton Manning in his prime as your QB doesn't hurt. I would not get all sweaty over Dungy.
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Tony Dungy took TB from Cleveland Brown status to a powerhouse. They were the LA Clippers of the NFL before Dungy put his stamp on that team, in other words, a losing record year after year. Payton Manning also was labeled a choke artist before Dungy got there as that team and Manning would blow in the playoffs every year.
Dungy did a lot for the Colts and even more for TB...
Mark my words, if Dungy comes so will Vick...dont know how I feel about that, but if we got Dungy and Vick came here next year, it would allow us to go OT in the first round rather than QB and then take a QB in 2nd or 3rd and give Vick a chance to rebuild a career...if he cant, we got the young QB grooming in the wings...
Seiously, if we get Shannahan, Cowher or Dungy I will be ecstatic
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You make the call!
Cowher knows how to build a team and win in our type of weather...Shannahan has a lot of experience in that too...Either one would do the trick, although I voted for Cowher because I think this team needs a serious attitude adjustment, I think Shannahan would make the quickest turn around as he would turn the offense around faster I think which is our biggest problem.
But I would be estatic with either of them
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Gruden is a guy that can do more with less. Specifically with regard to the QB position. He turned Rich Gannon from a journeyman QB into an MVP. He won a SB with Brad Johnson. He made the playoffs in Tampa with nobodies at QB. A head coach who can win without a great QB, and make mediorcre QB's play like good ones, is invaluable(if not for the tuck play in NE maybe he wins a SB in the AFC as well).
He runs the ball. He's passionate and blue collar fans can relate to that(Shanahan, not so much). He's still young and energetic, which statistically has proven important when hiring HC's. He has that advantage over all the other big names. Who knows if he'd even consider the position, but he's clearly the right guy for this job.
You clearly know nothing of Gruden other than myths and chucky doll stuff...he went to TB, won a SB in his first year with essential Dungy's team that was already one of the bigger SB favorites that year, then he didnt make the playoffs in his second season and had only back to back winning seasons ONCE in the next 6 years and in only one of those winning seasons he made the playoffs.
His draft history was horrid, his management of QB's is worst than the Bills, and by far most importantly he literally lost the trust of his team and locker room who no longer belived they could win with him which is why he was fired.
Would he better than DJ, of course, but there are far better options out there than Gruden (who just signed a long extension with MNF by the way, so he isnt coaching anyone next year).
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I really like this signing, wanted us to draft him that year, wanted us to sign him all year...and finally we have him. Not saying he will be the next great QB, but I think he has a lot of upside with low risk as we dont have a huge investment in him.
In fact, I love this signing. I proposed this during the preseason (and many flamed the idea) and I wish we signed him then, but hopefully he can get up to speed enough to see some game action this season.
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What is going on here? We just cut a 3rd string player who wasnt good enough to even be considered an option despite playing behind to completely inept QB's in Trent and Fitz...in other words, zero upside. Now we sign a guy that isnt expected to be the future of the franchise, but has a lot of upside, especially considering Trent and Fitz are clearly not the answer.
So whats the big deal? What on earth do the Bills have at risk here? Answer is nothing. Brohm has potential to be a starter or a solid backup...doesnt mean he will be, but he has potential, something we dont have in any of the 3 QB's that have been on this roster this year. So why all the hostility?
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Ron wolf, Charlie Casserly or the ol boy that was fired wrongly from Tampa are my choices.
TB? He was awful...he and Gruden ran that team in the ground with terrible draft picks, flip flopping worse than us with their QB's, etc. Please, not him
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The same was said about a guy named..Brett Farve, who as jettisoned from Atlanta. Then there was Steve Young, first round pick of the Tampa Bay Bucs. Did I mention a certain Darryl Lamonica? All of these guys SUCKED too. Has anyone seen Joe Montana's stats from his 1st 5 years in the NFL? Or was it Terry Bradshaw? And then there is the "ole what'shisname" qb currently of the Phoenix Cards. Hmm talk about BIG SUCK!!! oh..and then he got a coach...imagine HIS surprise when he landed in St. Louis with the Rams. That super bowl must have been fun to win. Nobody wanted Drew Brees...he was cut.. CUT... who was it that coached his replacement at North Carolina State??? Yep...Norm Chow.
So yeah, I guess I am definitely one of a scant few who believe it is also coaching that can make or break a qb. In Trent's case, I believe it more so. Can't imagine what would have happened to Dan Marino in Seattle, or Oakland, or worse (Baltimore - colts at the time). The Jim Kellys, Dan Fouts and John Elways are not a dime a dozen, they are rare breeds who come along every so often. Teams that can take a Tom Brady, Joe Falco, Donovan McNabb or Matt Shaub and coach them to a high level are the teams who will be successful year in and year out.
btw... you should have a Dr. look at your forehead. I hear banging ones head against a brick wall can have damaging affects. :-)
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WTF? Montanna turned his team around and won a SB in his first 3 years with the team...what the hell are you talking about?
Warner was a stud from the first game he played in St Louis, no one said he sucked, again what the hell are you talking about?
Farve was traded before he played a game to GB after his ROOKIE season for a FIRST ROUND PICK and then came in and had a great first year with GB...again what the hell are you talking about?
Young was on the worst team in NFL history where he was only on it for 2 years before he went to SF.
WTF are are you talking about Drew Brees? He had a line of teams that wanted him but were unsure about his very SERIOUS shoulder injury he suffered on the last play of the season in SD that needed surgery and he had just had a great season in SD...something our QB's have never had.
LMAO at your lame attempt at NFL history...ROFLMAO at how you just tried to lump JP and Trent into the same category as some of the greatest QB's to ever play the game...the crap gets deep on this board...
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Get the torches ready:
Norm Chow, OC UCLA. What I don't understand is how he has managed to fly under the radar all these years. From Jim McMahon, and Steve Young to Carson Palmer, Phillip Rivers, Matt Leinhart to Vince Young..(when he led his team to 8-5) Norm Chow has coached them all. BYU, USC TENN Titans, and now UCLA. In fact, as OC at TENN, he directed an offense that was banged up and filled with rookies. In 2005, Tennessee ranked ninth in the NFL in passing and ranked 17th overall in offense. The group of rookie receivers (WR Brandon Jones, WR Roydell Williams, WR Courtney Roby and TE Bo Scaife) became the first quartet of rookie receivers since the 1968 Buffalo Bills to each record at least 20 receptions in a season. Scaife would also establish a new rookie tight end franchise mark for receptions with 37. (we remember Scaife don't we?)
In 2006, Vince Young, then a rookie quarterback from Texas, took over the offense during the fourth week of the season. He led the team to an 8-5 record, earned Rookie of the Year honors (only the second quarterback to win AP Offensive Rookie of the Year) and became the first rookie quarterback to play in the Pro Bowl. Young earned all of the headlines, but it was the running game that drove the offense as the Titans finished fifth in the league in rushing, amassing the sixth highest rushing total in franchise history (2,214 yards) and the highest yards per carry in franchise history (4.7). In 2007 the team only finished 10-6 earning a playoff berth.
Norm Chow has done nothing but guide successful offenses and develop National Title and Heisman Trophy winning qb's. At the helm of USC's offense, Chow directed an attack that ranked in the nation's top 20 in total offense in each of his final three seasons, tutored two Heisman trophy winning quarterbacks (Palmer in 2002 and Leinart in 2004) and won two national titles. The Trojans were 42-9 during his four seasons, 36-3 in the final three.
I don't know how I feel about him as a HC prospect, but I cannot imagine a more perfect fit as Buffalo's next offensive coordinator, and Trent Edwards' mentor.
No, I am not his agent, friend, school chum, colleague or former player. This guys resume reads like a "who's who" of football coaches.
...... as previously posted on this forum many times.....
GIT ER DONE RUSS......
hahahahahahaha...people still think Trent can be saved...priceless
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What if Perry Fewell goes from an average defensive coordinator to an above average head coach? A la Mike Singletary II.. Singletary turned around that pitiful 49ers team in the first game he took over last year and finished with a winning record. What if Fewell does the same?
We all just want a good coach, so if Fewell turns out to be a good coach, then why would we complain?
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Hands down Perry...ST has blown all year and the D, despite a plethora of key injuries all year, has managed to keep us in most of our games when the offense couldnt stay on the field or score any points.
Perry has done a very good job considering what he has to work with
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I'm not an Edwards supporter - but it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to go back and look at him two years ago, and figure out that in the past two seasons he's somehow morphed into JP Losman. It also doesn't take a rocket surgeon to look at the past ten YEARS of underperforming QBs and see that over time they all develope the exact same problems of field awareness, timid play, and inability to make quick or decent reads. And given all that, it's not exactly a stretch to figure out that the common thread between all those underperforming QBs ISN'T that they're all Trent Edwards.
There's not a QB on the planet that would perform on this team until the real problems are addressed: the lack of any coherent football sense at the head coach level and above. How many "QBs of the future" do the Bills have to sign until everyone starts to realize that?
Lets be a little more realistic here about 2 years ago...Trent has never, not once, had a good season. 2 years ago, we over looked his lack of production on the hopes that all the hype was true (Bill Walsh endorsement, hes not JP, etc, etc) but he never put any great showings on out there on the field. His best games were solid games at best and were rare.
He would have moments where you were like this kid looks like he could be good, and then other moments in the same game that were just terrible. But we all ignored the terrible moments and glamored over the potential he showed in moments he wasnt playing like JP saying he is young and he will only get better.
The problem is, he is 100% still the same QB today as he was then. Makes a good throw here and there, makes some bad throws going down field, looks accurate if he throws short and to wide open players, cant read a defense, doesnt have the arm stength to throw the outs and results in INTS or pick sixes, puts up low stats, is a poor downfield passer, etc, etc...
So its not that that he is worse now then he was then, its that now he doesnt have the "potential" excuse anymore to glamor him up and hide those flaws as he has been in the league too long now and shown no development.
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Who would have guessed thaqt Kyle Orton was the better of the 2 qbs.
Wow did Denver make out in THAT trade.
lol...lets see, Orton was terrible in Chi and solid in Denver...Cutler was pretty good in Den and struggling in Chi...whats the common denominator here? CHICAGO...they have no offense, no O Line, no recievers...so do you think the sheer lack of offensive talent on that team and much higher level of offensive talent in Denver is truly the reason Denver looks like it has the better QB?
One more point...Cutler crushed Ortons stats while he was in Denver...the difference in their records while in Denver is this...DEFENSE. When Cutler was in Den, their defense couldnt stop a high school offense. This year, with a much improved D, they suddenly are winning some games (although they should have lost week 1 as they won on a fluke play on the last play of the game). Denver is not as good as their record, and their offense is pedestrian under Orton. If they had this D and Cutler, they would be a LOT more dangerous.
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Jay Cutler = Jeff George
Jeff George = 1000 times better than Edwards or Fitz...and I dont even think George was very good
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They just showed TO on TMZ in LA with his girl...they asked him about whether or not he watches highlights, and he said "Yeah, but they are few and far betweent...this year." And just smirked...lmao
And then when they asked him if we were going to take it this year and he just looked back with smirk and shocked and said "Who us?" and his girlfriend cracked up like you cant be serious with that question.
It was pretty funny and even TO thought it was a little funny too...at least he is a good sport about it
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b/c he knows that the QB is the problem and can't substantiate a claim against that fact...
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I've never made up anything on this board so f@(# you.
Not to mention that if you had the class to actually read other's posts before insulting them, you might have noticed where I've said multiple times that I don't like what I'm seeing from Edwards.
And as I've said before, if you look at this ridiculous offense and decide that the problem with it is the QB, then I don't know what you're watching. It's as inane as blaming a WR.
LOL...I love how you call him out with this yet you are notorious for doing this...
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Yep, just about as ridiculous as you blaming a QB.
LMAO...Im sure you still think the level of ineptness Trent continues to show has nothing to do with the fact he sucks as a QB...
How Bad is Buffalo if 10mill per year won't get it done?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Link? I havent seen any report that says we oferred him $5 mil and part ownership...if you are referring to the other thread than you just cant do math because the other thread says 5 years at $50 mil plus part ownership...well 50 divided by 5 years = $10mil per year