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Keyshawn played under Dungy for 2 seasons. Keyshawn was accquired in 2000 and Dungy started in Indy in 2002. Dungy had Keyshawn for the 2000 and 2001 seasons.
Your are right...my bad, I was thinking of Keenan McCardell, who was the WR Gruden brought in...still though, Dungy had Brad one year and the TB offense which needed WR help and McCardell was a significant acquisition. Still though, all the other points still apply, and dont under estimate how good McCardell was...
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Your attempt to marginalize every poster on this board is low. Everyone on here is entitled to their opinion, even though most have never coached in the NFL, or probably college. There are still a few intelligent posters who are right far more often than wrong.
Tony Dungy could not win in TB with a stellar defense, which won not long after he left for Indianapolis. He is an outstanding man who has endured tragedy and triumphed mightily. That said, offensively his teams weren't stellar until he inherited Peyton Manning.
I feel Dungy benefitted from the same thing Marv Levy did in Buffalo: Bill Polian. BP is one of the finest football minds the NFL has ever seen, and his collection of talent is nothing less than spectacular. Dungy was a good coach regardless.
BTW, it's stratosphere.
Lets take a closer look at the Dungy resume before we make any rash decisions on him...not trying to be argumentative, but the way Dungy gets credit taken away on here is astonishing...
Before we disregard Dungy's influence on the Indy offense, keep in mind before Dungy got there Payton was the A Rod of the NFL. He choked, and so did the Indy offense every year in the playoffs and couldnt get over the hump. Many people said he was going to be more like Dan Marino than Montanna...a guy who can compile stats in regular season but wasnt going to win the SB...
Another side note...TB did win the SB the year Gruden took over Dungys team, however, the one area of the team that had different perosonnel was the offense. Gruden had a few more pieces added, one of which was Keenan McCardell at WR which everyone knew was the position they desperately needed help at on offense.
Most importantly though, and its always over looked, Gruden had something Dungy didnt have the majority of the time he was in TB...a good QB. Brad Johnson had only been there one year under Dungy, and in that one year the TB offense had no real playmakers on it and very little at WR. That offseason, TB acquired McCardell, and that gave the offense and Brad a major boost as well...
So whos to say Dungy wouldnt have also reached the SB and won that year with the extra offensive weapons TB acquired once he was fired...
Add in the fact that TB also lucked out and faced Oakland in the SB where several TB players have publicly stated that it was a massacre because of the incredible advantage TB had knowing the offense inside and out and that Oak arrogantly didnt change their offense despite facing the guy who coached it for several years. They said they knew what they were doing before they even hiked the ball.
And finally, TB went down the tubes in Grudens second year and missed the playoffs. TB would never be relevant again. No Dungy team, in TB or Indy, has severly digressed like that...
So maybe, before people take all the credit away from him we should take a closer look at the before, after, and current state of the teams he coached and built and give him the credit he earned.
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He's a RB, how could he face Shanahan's offense? Maybe he just meant the best offensive coach his team had to face.
Well considering he sits on the sidelines and watches Shannahan disect Oaklands D on a regular basis may have something to do with it...lol
Sorry Steely, I didnt start challenging his opinnions on a plane while he was graciously talking freely with me...lmao
Like I said, take it for what its worth...just a casual conversation where he said he has heard that Shannahan's interest is real and that from what he knows of him he seriously doubts its some kind of leverage ploy.
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Consider these facts:
1)Shanahan, Homlgren, Martz and Trestman (all names being thrown around) have one thing in common - they were OCs for the SF 49ers. They are West Coast Offense guys - CALIFORNIA - Odds are great that if any of them comes to Buffalo he immediately names Edwards the starting QB
2) The "Experts" leading the "Oust Edwards move" are Fewell (0 years head coaching experience who knows squat about offense), TO (the ultimate "throw me the ball quarterback killer") and Jim Kelly (Buffalo's egomaniac voice whose is afraid of anyone succeeding at the QB position in Buffalo)
And people think Tebow is the answer??
Bottom line is that the Bills have a great nucleus of young skill players in Edwards, Jackson, Lynch, Evans, Hardy and Nelson. They have great depth at wide receiver, play solid defense and solid special teams. They have had 12 players go on the IR, changed OCs 1 week before the season, changed HC mid way through the season and have played with what might be the youngest OL in NFL history and certainly has to be the most banged up OL. Jim Kelly has the answer - throw Edwards under the bus and blame him for the entire 2009 debacle and draft Tim Tebow. Kelly wants to fuel the Buffalo mentality - "What might have been - What could be". How about if we deal with "What IS!"
hmmm...this is your second post (and both posts were in reply and support of a dog14787 post and full of as much gibberish as his)...weird, someone who just joined the board suddenly jumps on the dog14787 band wagon...lmao...pretty clear its you dog14787 supporting yourself and pretty lame you would have to do so...
Beside the point...please explain to the board how Edwards can be labeled a young skill player when he has shown very little skill to this point...the only coach that has said anything positive about Trent is Martz, and Martz also thought he could make a good QB out of Harrington in Det...how did that work out?
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So I was flying home from Portland back to LA from visiting the folks for Thanksgiving and I had to change planes in Oakland. When we boarded the plane from Oakland to LA I wound up sitting next to Justin Fargas who had the weekend off after his turkey day game and was going to LA to see family.
Let me say, real nice guy. So we were chatting candidly about football and I wont discuss the things he shared about his time with Oakland, but we did get to chatting about the Bills and the rest of the NFL too. I asked him what he thought about Shannahan and he said a couple things I thought I would share...one, he said dont count Shannahan out, he was one of the best offensive minds he's had to face in the league and still is. Then he also said, everything he has heard (and from what he knows about Shannahan as a person and coach) is that his interest is real in the Bills and not just some smoke screen or ploy to get leverage on other teams.
Take it for what its worth, none of that is ground breaking news, but I found it worth sharing. Like I said, he was real nice and I enjoyed talking pro and college ball with him.
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You keep starting this same dumbass BS over and over, if you can't reply to my post without starting crap about TE then don't post, I don't give a F$#k what you think, get it, so get over yourself and no , I don't believe you played football, I asked you before to offer up proof, but to no avail and no, flag football doesn't count, its all BS just like you are...
LOL...you are insane...and like I told you before, I dont air my personal info on a message board and dont really care if you believe I played or not and I am not about to get into this with you again...
But you never answered my question...whats your deal with making up make believe concussions for JP and Trent?
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You try to convince folks that you played football and yet think its impossible for a player to get a concussion and not go on record with it, do you just make things up. Did you watch the game yesterday and see the hit or are you just that dense. JP took a hit hard enough that if it was you, you would be saying, "wheres my mommy" good grief man what in the hells wrong with you.
Its hilarious that you can't post a reply without going back to the same old same old, did I mention TE, no, so why bring him up.
Maybe its because you still haven't gotten over your love for Mary, you know the same Mary you compared to Tom Brady and Montana(posted below) and then threw a hissy fit when I compared him to Jim kelly.
I tried to treat you like a normal poster, but your not, you have a one track mind buddy.
Dude, you are hilarious...the last thing anyone would ever accuse me of is loving Trent...but thats beside the point.
And yes, I did play football and you clearly did not and you clearly have not had a concussion and I have. Let me tell you something a player with a concussion is serious and they arent going to be able to hide it well. You just called me a idiot because I questioned your concussion yet you 100% invented it...there was no report of a concussion during the game or after the game...you have ZERO evidence of any concussion, yet this is the second time you made one up, but some how I am the moron.
And lets get something straight about that comparison...One it was from 2008 for crying out loud when we all thought he showed poise in response to someone elses post. And yes, its no secret the traits of Brady and Montanna were poise and intelligence and back in TWO THOUSAND EIGHT those were Trents ONLY promising traits. In the exact same quote you have there I even said he is no where near their caliber and the jury is still out on whether he will be any good. I NEVER SAID HE WAS AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN THEM LIKE YOU SAID ABOUT HIM WITH KELLY...
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Even if it changes a possible HC candidate's mind like Mike Shanahan, Brilliant.
Dude, you are so sensitive...a incoming head coach is isnt going to care 2 craps about a former player saying what everyone already knows...Kelly isnt even part of the organization for one...a future HC cares exactly ZERO percent about what you are whining about here...
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Our starting QB has a QB rating in the 50's, no I'm not joking, are you?
Losman's stats today 21-35 for 193 yards , zero int and a win in the UFC Championship game.
(While probably playing through a concussion plus JP makes a shoe string tackle that saved a TD going the other way)
LMAO...where did you get the "concussion" from when you say probably playing through a concusssion? Is this the same made up concussion you already admitted giving Trent last year when you said you have no proof or anything but you feel Trent suffered a second concussion last year that he nor the team told anyone about as justification for his terrible second half of the season
Whats with you and making up make believe concussions to validate outlandish claims of greatness of bad quarterbacks?
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The more I read your posts, the more I think we have all been takin' hook, line and sinker, by Crayonz.
I used to think the same thing until I came to the startling conclusion this dude is for real...lmao
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Players that should see snaps/plays designed for them simply to evaluate them.
S.Johnson
Hardy
Nelson
Meredith
Maybin
Harris
Ellis
These are all guys you mentioned. The first three dont need a lot of PT (I assume they wont get it with Lee and TO) but just 3-4 throws a game designed for them may be enough over the next feew weeks. Harris/Maybin cant be any worse than what we have, and Ellis cant be much a down grade either. Tha problem is those are the coaches decisions, Fewell is coaching for a HC job, or a DC job somewhere else - not likely to happen.
Yeah good points on Fewell and I forgot Chris Ellis on my orignal list, but San Jose Bills Fan pointed him out. I didnt even consider the Fewell factor you just mentioned...that definitely diminishes any hopes of this to any relevant degree. Like you said, getting any relevant reps for Hardy and Johnson would be tough, so a few a game is about the best we can hope for. However, we really should be getting Nelson some significant playing time and at least the majority of the snaps on passing downs.
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Outstanding movie. I am gonna follow this kids career as long as he has one. I recommend everyone go see it. PS, it further pisses me off that we didn't draft Oher
I just saw this movie today and I have to agree 100%...an astonishing story and I too will be following this guy.
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This is your spin Magox, and it is obvious to anyone who takes the time to read your posts. To say that the Packers offensive line isn't even almost as bad as the Bills, is flat out wrong. I have watched the majority of Green Bay's games this year. Just like Alpha I go and watch the games every week at the same bar, that has the ticket. You have no idea what Aaron Rodgers has to do, just to survive behind that line. It's nothing short of amazing.
Your dilemma is how do you convince others that most of those sacks are his fault. The problem is that anyone who watches the games sees right through your crap. The truth is Buffalo has a piss poor line much like Green Bay's, but probably slightly better. Aaron Rodgers would make alot of plays behind this line. Sorry to burst your bubble. TE certainly didn't get helped behind this line but his play speaks for itself.
The line seems to hold up much better for Fitzpatrick. Why do you think that is?
Edwards 181 attempts 21 sacks
Fitzpatrick 108 attempts 6 sacks
Kind of makes you wonder how bad it would look if Fitzy had been handeling the starting duties all year.
Here is a nice read on the packer line. If you don't trust me or the other posters who watch these games, just research it for yourself and you will find alot more articles just like it.
Like I said Magox, you do this with regularity on this board and I am not the only one who sees it.
One more note on what Pushthepile just said, Fitz has been playing behind a line more injury plagued than what Trent stood behind while taking far less sacks...
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Let me answer it like this
I said:
Simple, that there is a misconception of GreenBays line being as bad as what some people claim it to be based on the sack totals.
then you said:
Are you saying Green Bay has a good O-line despite the sacks, or that the sacks are Rodgers fault & not the lines?
How can we can continue in a rational manner when you just make **** up?
For a full explanation http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?...t&p=1649836
Huh? He asked you a very precise question and yet you respond with gibberish rather than just answer the question...
His question is: Are you saying Green Bay has a good O-line despite the sacks, or that the sacks are Rodgers fault & not the lines?
What is so hard about answering direct questions for you? I dont see anything wrong with his question...
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What I would like to see us do over the last part of the season...
1. Move Maybin to LB and see what he can do. If he can be productive there, we will have filled a big hole going into next season at LB.
2. Get Nic Harris some starts at LB...same reasons as above. Get him some playing time and see if he can make an impact. If he and Maybin prove valuable at LB, we just shored up our LB core for next season.
3. Get Brohm on the field and let him play atleast 3 games this year to see if he shows any promise to build on.
4. Start Nelson and let him get some more experience. He shows promise to be a big weapon for us, so lets get him some game time and experience he needs to keep progressing.
5. Get our young WR's more playing time. We have some promise in Steve Johnson and Hardy and I doubt TO is going to want to resign here with the offesnive struggles we have had. Although, if we bring in an solid vet at QB and a reputable coach, he may want to stay. Who knows, but either way, we need to see what our young guys can do.
If we do all this, we have accomplished several things. One, if we can get Maybin and Harris productive at LB, we will have eliminated a big need going into the draft. If Brohm can get on the field for a few games and show some promise, we can wait on drafting a QB until mid rounds allowing us to go OT and DL in the first 2 rounds.
Plus, if TO does not come back next year either becaue we choose not to or he doesnt want to, we will have a clearer picture on where we stand at WR. Plus with Nelson getting some playing time, we will have that much more dangerous of a weapon for this offense next year.
Bottom line, these moves would answer a lot of questions for next year and possibly create some flexibility going into the draft...Just my two cents...
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1. Nope, you are basically the one that I accuse of having a one track mind.
2. Really? Many of my posts? Talk about being delusional, there is a way to disprove this, check out my posting history, and tell me again that many of my posts are "either direct or inderect excuses for Trent"
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4. Only in your book
Not going to get in a debate with you over non football stuff here, but you say it to several others. And you have been called out for you indirect posts by several posters, and you know it.
So, since you ignored the football stuff in the post, I will ask you again. What is your point of trying to split hairs on which O line is worse when they are clearly both playing amongst the worst in the league?
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I know a lot of you have concerns over having Vick on the team. I think it would be a perfect fit. We could go after top OL and DL in the draft to try and shore up the lines. He also has the speed necessary to escape sacks, something a QB on our team would need to do with a young line trying to gel. We do have Brohm as well, wo may or may not be the answer for the future. If Vick does well great, if not, then we hopefully will have answered a lot of questions in the draft to bolster the lines and can go after the QB we need in the next draft. Just a thought. I guess it also depends on whether the draft for lineman is expected to be better this year or next. I know this is a good QB class, but I'm not sure about OL or DL
Vick is an intriguing option to allow us a chance to fill other holes on this team like LT and DE. Although, I am more intrigued by Brohm...
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I believe that in today's NFL it's commonly accepted that a new regime has to be successful within 3 seasons. Although we've been without the playoffs for 10 seasons now, I think you must allow a new regime two whole seasons to rebuild without playoff expectations. The third season is "go time". Just my fifth of a dime.
Pretty much how I woudl see it too. Especially since its very likely we will bringing in a new QB or grooming Brohm if he can show enough to the staff. Although I think even if Brohm shows promise, I think the Bills will still take a QB by round 3. I think the advantage of Brohm is if he shows enough promise we can then go LT in round 1 and look at QB's in round 2 or 3.
So, the new regime needs to have enough time to groom a QB to lead this team.
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First off, I don't believe you when you say you have watched every GB game this year. We have played more than a few games at the same time slot, so..... Having said that, I myself have watched more than a few GB games this year, and I can tell you this with 99% certainty that our Line has been much worse than theirs. I've already listed the reasons to why the sack numbers are the way they are so I won't repeat them again.
In regards to who is a more productive QB, you have no arguments here. That wasn't the point I was trying to make, but of course your one track mind lead you to believe that I was trying to imply something beyond what I said.
I watch games every week at the same sports bar with my friends. We have all the games on, all around us every week. Because my friend is a huge GB fan and she is from GB, the Packers game is always one of the games in front of us along with the Bills. Not to mention, I have Grant and Rodgers on some of my fantasy teams, so I always have interest in the game. I watch several games every Sunday either because myself or friends have fantasy players on them or my friends are big fans of the team (like Dal, Indy, NO, Was, Pitt, or Philly). Not to mention, 3 of the players I enjoy watching the most are Rodgers, Brees, and Andre Johnson...
Anytime someone calls you out on one of your posts you say they have a one track mind. Funny thing is, you have the one track mind as usually when you are getting called out its on something to do with Trent. Many of your posts and comments are either direct or indirect excuses for Trent. Just like you are going out of your way here to make statements about GB's line not being nearly as bad as Buffalos as an indirect reason why Aaron is so much more productive than Trent behind a bad O Line. I have even seen you say similar things this year before.
You did the same thing with a Cutler thread a couple weeks ago...you just constantly put indirect comments and threads up to defend Trent and you think you are sly about it, and when someone calls you on it you say they are on a crusade or have a one track mind. Thats literally your most common reply to anyone questioning your posts...
My point is, GB has one of the worst lines in football...whether you think Buffalos O Line is better or worse is a mute point as they are both playing terrible and amongst the worst in the league, so why even try and argue which is worse? If you put either of our QB's in GB this year their stats would still be terrible. If you put Aaron in Buffalo this year, we would be challenging for a playoff spot and DJ would (unfortunately) still be our coach. So, once again, who cares if GB or Buffalos line is slightyly better or worse, they both have playerd terrible. Aaron has found great success behind his terrible line while our QB's cant get it done...end of story.
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How long will it take before Bills fan turn on the head coach if we go out and get a big name? Whats his window fans will allow for the team to struggle while he comes in and tries to build a winner?
I can see it now...Shannahan comes in and we go 7-9 or even say 6-10 and Bills fans are going to be coming out of the woods to start screaming he was a terrible hire and that he cant win without TD and Elway and that the game has passed him by.
So, what do you think the window of patience is before fans turn on him while he tries to turn this team around (or any other A list coach we would get).
I say who ever takes over needs to be given at least 3 years because who ever it is will taking over a team without a QB and I would assume we will either develop Brohm (if he shows enough promise) or we will draft someone this year and those guys will need time to develop under a new coach.
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This is a popular but fallacious misconception regarding Aaron Rodgers and his offensive line. This assumption is based purely on his sack stats and not from gameday observation. Aaron Rodgers is a fantastic QB who plays without fear, he tends to hold on to the ball until he sees an open receiver. Much of his sacks are attributed to holding the ball til the last second, which is another reason why he doesn't throw that many INT's, meaning that he doesn't rush out a pass because he is feeling the heat.
So to say that GreenBay's line is worse or almost as bad as the Bills line is just plain wrong.
I dont know about you, but I have watched every GB game this year (Aaron is on one of my fantasy teams, plus I just enjoy watching him play). Let me say, his O line is worse than our O line. Maybe with our injuries now, we are probably equal or worse than his, but thats a recent development.
Jared Allen alone has 8 sacks against him in 2 games. One thing you are missing is that our O line has given up sginificantly less sacks under Fitz than Trent despite injuries to various guys on our O Line. Our O line is playing poorly for sure right now, but GB's is terrible.
More importnatly though...who cares who's line is worst...the point is they are both terrible lines and Aaron is highly productive and dominat despite his horrid line and Trent is one of the 3 least productive QB's in the NFL along with JaMarcus Russel and anyone who QB's the Browns, although Quinn just had a game last week that would take Trent 3 games to compile those stats he got in one game.
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Let me see if I got the sequence correct.
1. Copy one of Dog123456789101112131415's post
2. Paste it into a new thread
3. Claim none of Edwards fans would ever post it.
Did I miss something?
hahahhahahahaha...classic...I bet the person you referred to in #1 will even get that you are referring to him...lmao
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What I don't understand is why Jim Kelly is making statements that are clearly not advantageous to Trent Edwards or the Buffalo Bills at this point in time. As an owner you owe your players a little more respect in my opinion. It just decreases the confidence of a player and the value of a football team especially as we search for a new HC. Why advertise your starting QB is not worth the time or effort and what your intentions should be in the next draft, brilliant.
If Jim Kelly wants to be part owner of the Buffalo Bills then he really should start acting like an owner and keep his personal opinions to himself. There's a time and a place for everything and now is clearly not the time and the place to run down your current players.
Why would I want to come and coach for a football team that treats their own players like trash, now what does that tell me about your organization.
News flash: Trent Edwards is not the starting QB in Buffalo...nor will he ever be again. At some point in time you are going to have to come to grips with that.
And, how on Earth is Kelly treating anyone like trash? Honestly, if Kelly said this about T.O. you would love it and say how your legend Kelly is right...but because he says it about your beloved Trent you have an issue with it.
The coaching staff already said what Kelly did LOUD and CLEAR when they benched Trent for Fitz and signed Brohm...
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I would argue that Hangartner is not exactly an upgrade - do you not notice him getting bowled over every week?
Second, with the HUGE drop off we have seen at Tackle, I wouldnt say our OL has more talent at all.
Peters 10x better than whoever we haev tried.
Walker 20x better than everyone we have tried minus Butler for 1 game
Wood while good is now injured with career in jeopordy, and even before was he an upgrade over Butler? Not really.
Levitre is better than Dockery, but its almost a push. Hangartner is better yes, but still bad
Our OL has more promise for the future (or at least it did before Wood and Butler were lost) but in no way is it better than last year.
I get what you are saying, but I think you and I are kind of referring to two different things. You seem to be more or less describing the current state of our O line, including injuries, where as I was more referring to that actual individual talents of the players versus the players they replaced.
Hangartner, while not great, to me though is better than Fowler. I think he will be better once the line is solidified and healthy too. Yes, like I said, Peters is definitely better than what we have at LT right now, which is the position I think we must address first. But I think Butler is solid at RT when healthy.
Wood and Levitre are better than the guys they replaced. So, if 3 of our 5 starters are better, to me thats a more talented line. And I think Butler is a push at RT when healthy compared to Walker. Our issues on the line are inexperience, injuries and LT. So really, the only starter spot on the line where I think we have less talent is LT.
So just to be clear, I am not saying our O Line is currently playing better than last year, but I am saying that I beleive the talent level of the starters is higher when healthy with the clear exception at LT. I would also note, that the O line is playing better with Fitz under center and giving up far less sacks than earlier in the year too despite all the injuries.
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You cant enjoy a win without flip flopping to the popular belief...one week, you say Trent needs to be benched, and then literally in the same thread an hour later you say Trent is the man and Fitz is no good. Then you go back to riding Fitz when he gets a couple wins in a row...then when he loses you go back to Fitz sucks and Trent is the real starter of this team...now Fitz has a good game and you are back on Fitz. In fact, in a post to me, you actually called Trent a glove wearing Mary just the other day...come on man, you just got on someone for in this thread for getting down on Trent, yet you are referring to Trent as a glove wearing Mary while trying to insult me in a thread the other day...
I get people change their minds, but you do it every week man and sometimes several times in the same week. No one does it at the frequency you do...and many people besides me point this out...
Let me help you with your highly predictable reply to this...you will bring up how I used to support Trent, but that was in 2008 when we almost all that he showed promise...problem is he never improved...ever...and began to see him for what he was and realized it was all smoke and mirrors and he doesnt have what we thought he had. And I based that on a season of his play...what you do is change your mind after each game, each play, each post, each thread.
Here is a piece of friendly advice...if you are going to literally change your mind every week, several times during the week, and even several times in single thread, then fine...but maybe you should lose words like moron, idiot, retard, etc etc from your posts about other peoples opinnions considering you frequently flip flop to their opinnion anyway...