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Just scratching the nit you picked. I agree that they hadn't given up on him, but by putting a guy on the practice squad, their third QB, they were saying that they thought that getting the 53rd guy on the roster, including the 6 who don't dress for each game, was more important than making sure that Brohm was on the team. When you value your 3rd QB less than #53 on the roster, that says something.
They valued Brohm less than we valued Hamdan, because we kept Hamdan on the roster.
And it's not as if the Pack can have forgotten that teams sometimes really do claim guys off the practice squad. The Bills had claimed Jamon Meredith from the Pack not 5 weeks ago. They remembered that this stuff happens.
What are you talking about? A lot of teams dont dress 3 QB's on game day. The fact he was on the PS as a 3rd QB doesnt say nearly as much as the fact they tried to match our offer for a QB they dont need with a rising young start in Rodgers. First off, GB loves the guy backing up Rodgers, Flynn. Secondly they love Rodgers. Thirdly, the Packers see Flynn as more ready to play than Brohm...big deal since its only his second year...doesnt mean he is a bust, means they felt Flynn was more ready than Brohm right now. You dress players that are going to play or may need to play due to injury. A lot of teams dont carry 3 QB's...we did because all 3 suck, and one of them is made of glass...
I am astonished at how some people are so down on a guy 3 years removed from about to be a top 5 pick, probably even the #1 overall choice. He was a second round pick the following year that we got for super cheap...a guy who should have been a #1 pick...a guy with big time upside...There literally hasnt been a QB on this team with more upside than him since Jim Kelly retired...seriously, try and name one guy we got that had as much upside as him. Now factor in how cheap we got him and we are getting him with a new regime coming in to hopefully not flounder his potential too.
This is a big win for us...whether he pans out is another story, but man, we should be stoked to have a kid of his caliber on our squad with having to give up nothing. I was praying for us to draft him that year when he slipped, now I am stoked we get to see what he can do. He is a smart QB with a big arm...who knows if he can become a great QB, but we have nothing at risk here with everything to gain...
I mean, how stupid do fans have to be to complain about getting a guy of his caliber this cheap and with no risk, who could easily have been the #1 pick and would have cost us an absurd amount of money to draft if he came out his Jr. year? We just got a great deal on a top prospect and people still b**ch on this site...unbelieveable. Let the kid get on the field first before you condem him to failure...
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Thanks -- I'd love to see the article. What does he say Brohm has that no one in the NFL seems to think he has?
Where do you get the notion that no one thinks Brohm has any skills? He was going to be the #1 pick his Jr. year and ended up being a 2nd round pick his senior year. He hasnt seen any action in his first 2 years, so why would everyone all of a sudden think he has no skills now? GB even tried to keep him from us despite having their long term young QB in Rodgers and loving their backup too...
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You seem to be alluding to a weak QB class this year. I think Locker will grade out in the top 3, but I'm not sure how you can ignore Bradford as the number 2 rated QB. I also think Tebow will demand respect in the 1st round, despite the fact he probably grades out as a round 3-4 type QB. If McCoy takes the Heisman, there will be 3 Heisman winning QBs in the draft. I see that as a pretty deep draft class and I imagine that is why Locker might be balking.
Back to Bradford, why is everyone down on him all of a sudden? Yea he's injured his shoulder and had surgery (Claussen has had shoulder surgery as well), but the guy would have likely gone before Stafford in last year's draft had he declared. And if not, he definitely would have gone ahead of Sanchez. Why so down on him?+
By the way, He is 6-4 223. Clausen- 6-3 223. Clearly, those numbers likely have a margin of error of +/- 8, but the size differential is not there to the extent people think it is.
I didnt ignore Bradford...Bradford is going to be the #1 QB, and Locker will likely grade out to a #2 QB...Clausen probably 3 depending on combine.
Most pro scouts think Bradford and Locker are the two QB's who best project to the NFL and like Sanchez last year coming out early, with a strong combine he could easily secure the #2 spot, and maybe even #1 if Bradford doesnt show a clear indication of a full recovery.
Thats all I meant...like Sanchez last year, he has the choice to stay in school, but given the way this years QB crop is and how high scouts are on Locker at the next level, he could easily move into the top 10 in the draft.
Tebow may get first round consideration, he may not...what he wont do is leap frog Bradford, Locker, or even Clausen. I fully expect the top 3 QB's drafted to go in this order assuming Bradfords injury is a non factor and locker comes out...Bradford, Locker, then Clausen...after that, who knows...
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The one thing though is this...he is last years Mark Sanchez...
Given the current QB crop, he has the chance to rise to the top of the draft boards much like Sanchez did last year and staying in school is going to seem less attractive. Most pro scouts think his attributes project to the NFL better than just about every QB coming out this year. Its quite possible that after the combine he will be the top or 2nd highest graded QB in this years draft. Its going to be hard to pass that up...
So, I think anohter year in school would do him good, I just dont think that once all the dust settles he will see the chance to go early first round if he can have a strong combine and wont pass that up...
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So Leach groomed Tim Couch into the nation's top QB, a Heisman finalist, and the #1 overall pick in the NFL draft, then forced him to start in his rookie season for an inexperienced expansion Browns team - behind an inexperienced O-line (throwing for 3000 yards in '02 and leading the expansion Browns to the playoffs), then tore up Couch's shoulder, broke Couch's leg, and finally forced Couch to ruin his career with steroids and HGH?????
Please go back to pissing and moaning about the Miami loss with the rest of your Patriettes* queers.
Not going to get into your guys debate about how good Leech is or isnt at grooming QB's, mainly because I dont really know his track record here. But, is Tim Couch your only argument in favor of him being able to groom QB's? I hope not, as Couch wasnt very good before or after his injury history and got beat out by a certain QB who also stunk it up for the Bills...He was pretty much considered a bust his entire career, even pre injury.
There has to be a better example than this...
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Are there any other old coaches that will come out of retirement for some $$ and a chance to prove they can still coach? A lot of the best coaches, never really made any $$. I am sure some of them can still coach.
Where did you get this from? Link?
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We have a much more promising QB project in Brohm...why would we bring in a vet like JP who has countless flaws and plays so out of control?
JP has lots of physical talent and a huge arm. But, like so many others have pointed out, he doesnt have it upstairs. Now, I do whole heartedly believe he will and should be back in the NFL, but as a backup somewhere. Maybe one day, some great coaching staff can fix all the incredibly bad habits he has and fix his terrible decision making to make him into a quality starter, but thats a long shot at best. Stranger things have happened, but its still a long shot.
Whether he could have developed better somewhere else is debateable. I do feel he was grossly mis managed here and that may have stunted his progress to an extent, but how much better he could have been somewhere else is debateable given the large body of work of just terrible terrible decisions he made on the field.
Last year, I was all for a change to see what he could do when Trent went lame, but his on field play just showed his decision making and field vision are still very poor...those are two of the worst traits a QB can have and the hardest to correct.
I wish him the best...somewhere else...just like I will wish Trent the best, somewhere else
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Try and understand why I'm saying, I never stated Montana was a bad QB. I stated in other posts he was one of the legends of football and one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game.
If he had gone to Tampa Bay, Detroit, St Louis or any other crap team in the 80's, I highly doubt they win a SB, much less get there.
No, that is NOT what you are saying and have stood by the statement that Joe Montana would have been an "obsucre has been" had he gone somewhere else. You have time and time again attributed ALL of his success to Bill Walsh and the west coast offense.
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And yet again you show how truly dense you are because you refuse to understand what others are saying. I'll try and go slow so you may get it, maybe not though as your pretty darn dense. You completely dismissed everything I stated about Bill Walsh because your so fixated that someone might be saying Joe Montana might be something other then a SB winning QB.
What the 49ers did before 1979 is irrelevant because BILL WALSH didn't take the job as head coach until that year!!!!
You know Bill Walsh, the HoF head coach who invented the "west coast offense". My point about Montana was that he played for a HoF head coach and started in the best offensive scheme for pro football for the last 30 years. The west coast offense has been copied successfully over and over to produce some of the best teams and QB's in NFL history.
Just some of the QB's to win with the west coast offense John Elway-Brett Farve-Joe Montana-Steve Young-Rich Gannon-Matt Hasslebeck-Donavon McNabb-Aaron Rodgers.
Just to point out Rich Gannon didn't fair well in the old system until Jon Gruden got to Oakland with the west coast offense.
Let me give you a hint as to why I made the statement about Montana, take a long hard look at Steve Young and what he did at Tampa Bay on a crap team, behind a crap O line. Both years the Buc's went 2-14 with Young as QB. What would have happened had Steve Young stayed on that Tampa Bay team instead of going to the 49ers, would anyone even remember him?
Young's record as starter was 3–16. In his 19 games, he threw for only 11 touchdowns with 21 interceptions while completing fewer than 55% of his passes.
You are either too stupid or too dense to talk to anymore about this. Anyone who wants to proclaim Joe Montana a "systems" quarterback is not worth the time. I bet you that you didnt even watch football long enough to even see him play...You are probably not even old enough to have been watching football in his hey day which does adds to how stupid you are trying to even argue it...
One last thing on how stupid your posts are...if Joe Montana would have been an "obsure has been" if not for Bill Walsh's system, why did he go to KC at the END of his career and take them to the AFC championship game in his first year and back to the playoffs his second year when they werent running the west coast offense and had light years less talent on that offense than the 49ers did at that time?
Now you want to point at Steve Young too and say he is a system QB by throwig out his stats from his frist 2 years in the league in which he played on what is regarded as one of the worst teams in NFL histroy?
Man, just stop already...like I said before, you have reached a supreme level of stupidity with this argument that may never be topped.
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I think its great that you show how dense you are every time you post, I'm proud I made that statement and strongly believe it.
QUOTE (thewildrabbit @ Sep 4 2009, 06:16 PM)
If Joe Montana had played for Detroit or the Cardinals in the 80's the guy would have become just another obscure has-been.My point about Montana was that he played for a HoF head coach and started in the best offensive scheme for pro football for the last 30 years. The west coast offense has been copied successfully over and over to produce some of the best teams and QB's in NFL history.
You really think that if Montana had gone to a scrub team in the 80's with a bad O line, that they would have gone to the super bowl and won it 4 times and built the best offense the NFL has even seen?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...You dont have a CLUE about what you are talking about...News flash Eintstein...Montanna WENT TO A SCRUB TEAM named the 49ers...Let me show you how stupid that statement is:
In the 3 years before the drafted Joe the 49ers record was 14-34, including going 1-15 the year before they drafted Joe dumbass...in 1979, Joe had only 23 pass attempts as the backup QB his rookie year. Year two, he didnt get a chance to start until after mid season and they finished 6-10. In year 3, his FIRST year as a full time starter to begin the year, he led the 49ers to a 13-3 record and a SUPER BOWL win where he was the Super Bowl MVP...this is a team that won ONE GAME 3 years earlier when they drafted him!!!
They were garbage BEFORE he got there, and he won his first Super Bowl for them in his THIRD year (which was his FIRST year he entered the season as the starting QB) and that was WITHOUT Jerry Rice as he hadnt been drafted yet!!! Not to mention, he took KC at the end of his career to the AFC Championship game...as the rest of your quote said he was a bust in KC when he played two years, both getting them to the playoffs and once to the AFC championship game...
I have seen some dumb things on here, but you proudly proclaiming Joe Montana would have been "some obscure has been" if he was drafted by these other teams (who were in better shape than the 49ers at the time Joe was drafted) is by far the dumbest thing EVER posted on here...you defending it now is even dumber...congratulations on achieving a level of supreme stupidity the may never be topped...
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Not saying he is brees..but for the record, Brees stats:
(G, Comp%, Rating, TD-Int)
2001 1, 55.6% 94.8% 1-0
2002 15, 60.8% 76.9% 17-16
2003 11, 57.6% 67.5%, 11-15
Trent Edwards
2007, 10, 56.1%, 70.4%, 7-8
2008, 14, 65.5%, 85.4%, 11-10
2009, 7, 60.2%, 74.1%, 6-7
I am sure you could find 100 other QBs with a similar comparison who never panned out...but my point is, you have to allow him one more change to prove himself. Go ahead draft a 2-3 round QB and make it an open competition....see what happens...its too early to write him off.
There is some big glaring differences though. You can compare stats all you want, what they dont show is demeanor on the field. Trent doesnt play with confidence, is gun shy, hesitant, cant read a D, etc etc. Not to mention, once SD brought in Rivers and Brees saw his job become in jeopardy he responded with a big breakout year. Trent has not responded well to struggles and QB competition. He knew this was a pivotal year and seems to be as bad if not worse that even before.
You can argue he never had it to begin with, you can argue he did and that concussion changed him, you can argue our staff stripped it out of him, etc...but whatever the reason, he doesnt have the moxy necessary to be a starting QB in the NFL right now. Its rare a QB ever gets that back once he is "shot", assuming he ever had it at all. If they do find it again, it usually takes a fresh start some where else.
Trents biggest problem is that he doesnt have an Arm that can make up for the deficiencies he plays with right now such as: poor field vision, inability to make quick decisions, poor timing, lack of pocket presence, and sheer lack of confidence/swagger. So, until he figures out how to fix those issues, he wont be starting any where in the NFL any time soon.
One more telling sign is this: When a starting QB gets benched on a team failing to live up to expectations, there is often someone on the team, if not multiple people, who stick up for him...I cant recall one Bills player or staff member that has pubilcly come out and said we have a better chance to win with Trent...no one on the staff or roster to my knowledge has said this that I know of, but I have heard some of them say that about Fitz...that speaks volumes
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This is either just ignorant or a bald-faced lie. Tom Brady MADE that OL what it is. It was the same OL that got Drew Bledsoe killed. Brady comes in and changes how it looks ENTIRELY. That's not a coincidence. And then, when Brady was out last year, Cassell was among the MOST sacked QBs in the league. Sorry, your argument is weak at best.
Hey Joe, look at who you are talking to...thewildrabbit, who is the same guy that said this:
If Joe Montana had played for Detroit or the Cardinals in the 80's the guy would have become just another obscure has-been.So what do you expect...lmao
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Just because he got sacked does that mean he sucks or the line sucks? Also a SB or two. You guys that look at the tree instead of the whole forrest blow my mind. Im no stats man like you Im sure but how bout the touchdowns. How many of those has he drove. I suppose you can give us all that info too. Also how long was he in the pocket waiting for the receiver to get open? Who were the opponents? What I am saying is I dont care who your QB is. If he has no supporting cast he will be as bad as the rest. Chain is only as strong as the weakest link buddy.
Dont cry for me bandit. the other men will look at you funny
LOL...you are screwing yourself in your own argument with this statement...We have more offensive weapons on our team than probably 2/3's the league. Lynch and Jackson form a formidable duo, Lee and TO would be one of the top tandems in the league if we had a QB, we have young talent behind them at WR and TE...teams would kill to have that many offensive weapons...but why doesnt it work? Because our QB core is pathetic and one of the worst in the league...there isnt a QB on our team that would start for any other team in the league except probably oakland. I mean seriously go team by team and find me a single team other than Oakland where that coaching staff would start Fitz or Trent over their starting QB...there really isnt one...the only other possible team would maybe be Cle...
Miami: They really like Henne
TB: They have a plethorar of young QB's they are high on and a first rounder from this years draft
Thats how bad our QB situation is...why this is so hard for people to get is beyond me. So, the more important point, NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOUR SUPPOTING CAST, YOU WONT BE VERY GOOD WITH BAD QUARTERBACKS...the NFL today is a quarterback driven league...look at ALL the top teams...
Brohm is the only exception because he hasnt had a chance to show what he could do.
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This O line will be much better next year with the injured players back and the young guys with some experience...it wont be as bad as it is this year.
Any one who says a QB cant play behind a bad line hasnt seen Aaron Rodgers play this year as just one example. O line is certainly very important, but there is a reason the QB position is the highest paid and gets the most press...because its the most important position in football. A good O line wont make a bad QB any better, but a good QB can make a bad O line look good and still be very productive.
Most importantly with our specific needs...a quality QB would more significantly impact this team next year over another OL player. We definitley need to add a LT in draft or FA, so if we go QB in round 1, then we should most certainly look at trading up for a LT or going LT in round 2 (unless we pick up someone in trade or FA).
If you look around the NFL today, all of the top teams have premier QB's running the ship and many dont have anything better than an average O Line, and some even have poor O Lines. There would be very very few people, if any, that would take the games best OL over Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Brady, or even Rivers and there is a reason for that.
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There is NO CONVERTING. If the Bills ever leave Buffalo, I would have no more reason to root for them. My new favorite team would be the team that played against them every week.
If the Bills moved to LA with the Bills Name & Colors, it would be even WORSE than if they became the LA Thugs or whatever.
If the name & legacy stayed in Buffalo, there would be a REMOTE possibility of getting another team in the future that could carry on the tradition like they did in Cleveland.
Real Fans of a TEAM root for the CITY as much as the Team. So it would HURT even more that the LA team would be called the Bills (I Doubt that would ever happen).
Real fans stick with a team...I root for the team and these players rather they are playing in Buffalo, LA, London, Toronto, Aghanistan, your moms back yard, whatever...you might as well get your rocks off now on the Bills, because like it or not, once Ralph is gone your beloved team is going to unfortunately be a threat to relocate somewhere just about every year until they ultimately do or the cities needing teams no longer need teams...
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on ESPN this morning they said Fred was starting.
Sweet...I loved starting him the first 3 weeks...should make tonights game even better...
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Thinking of starting him in one of my fantasy leagues...
So, anyone heard if he is starting again?
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http://www.fannation.com/peter_king_challe..._king?eref=sihp
So fess up TO -- when did you pee in Peter's Venti Egg Nog Latte from Starbucks?
Dont under estimate Revis...
While I see TO getting a couple more catches than that, I dont expect a big game. I think Evans more likely has the bigger game of our two wideouts.
Personally, I hope TO lights up the Jets, but the Jets have held opposing team #1 WR's to an avg of 30.1 yards per game...thats insane this late in the season and is by far the best in the NFL...
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The most telling part of that interview from Urlacher in my opinion was:
"We used to establish the run and wear teams down and try not to make mistakes, and we'd rely on our defense to keep us in the game and make big plays to put us in position to win," Urlacher told the Web site. "Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that's the truth."
The most telling part of that statement is that the Bears D is no where close to what it was...the Bears also have had to play catchup a lot, hence more passing. Forte has been a sophmore slump poster child, and Cutler has no offensive weapons that would start on any other team in the NFL other than Olson and Forte, and there are plenty of teams even those two would be backups on too.
Cutler has a lot to prove still in this league of course, but this is his first year in Chicago, and he is on a team that is amongst the worst offenses in the league the last 5 years. Cutler has some young WR's there he can build with, much like he did with Brandon Marshall and Eddier Royal, so maybe Urlacher should keep his mouth shut and look around at the little polished offensive talent that is on that team and be a little more patient. Not to mention, he needs to wake up and realize that D is not even close to the D he is referencing in his statement.
But we all know Magox that you desperately want Cutler to fail...stemming back to the whose better arguments that were so rampant on this board in the offseason between Cutler and Edwards..so good luck with your crusade to see Cutler fail...
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You call yourself a HUGE Bills fan? You are anything BUT a fan of the Bills!!! NO FAN of the Buffalo Bills wants them to leave Buffalo. You are too STUPID to understand that if the Bills left Buffalo, the Buffalo Bills would no longer exist, the same way the Buffalo Braves no longer exist.
LOL...one, I dont think the Bills are moving to LA...its most likely going to be SD IMO...two, I have no attachment to the city of Buffalo as I am not from there...I get you and many other Bills fan do, and I respect that. But I dont root for the Bills because they are from Buffalo...I root for them because I am a Bills fan...whether they are in Buffalo, Toronto, LA, whatever...if they happen to move to LA, then great, I get to go to home games and I would still be a huge fan, and it would also now be my home team...
Unlike most people on this board who say they will ABANDON this team if they move out of Buffalo to Toronto or LA, I am a Bills fan for life even if they were playing North Dakota...
I am not even pushing for them to move, but simply said I would love to be able to have season tickets if they did...you are reading way too much into the update I gave on what the local news is saying here in LA...
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It's finally nice to see T.O. and the Bills playing better again, but it's very obvious that T.O. was purposely playing like crap to either get Edwards out or both Edwards & Jauron out. Look at his stats in the first 9 games: 366 yards, 1 TD (rec) 1 TD (rush) and led the league in dropped balls. Now look at the last 2 games: 293 yards and 2 TD's, did he even drop a ball in those 2 games? (not sure, but I'd say no). In Edwards' last game, the last 2 passes Edwards threw to T.O., he ran half-azzed and barely made an attempt to catch the ball. So if T.O. doesn't get his way and the people he wants in there, he's not gonna give 100%, more like 40-50% at best.
Conspiracy theory or truth? Your thoughts...
Couple of reasons this is conspiracy...one, T.O. is playing for his career this year...he is on a one year deal and wants a good del next year and knows his options will be limited and highly dependent on how he behaves and what he does on the field. Two, Fitz is actually throwing him the ball where as Trent rarely did which is a big factor in the boost to his stats. I dont doubt that he was probably highly frustrated by DJ's offense, especially with Trent at the helm, which probably contributed to his dropped passes and on field frustration.
I dont think any of it was his grand plan to get DJ fired and Trent benched though...
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This is just his speculation and not based on any actual news...lame...
Not saying we are getting Shannahan, but this is just more BS media speculation...not to mention, Snyder and Jerry Jones are not good fits for a coach like Shannahan or Cowher with the way they meddle. The more threatening potential job opening would be Houston who has some pretty good to premium players to build around in Daniels, Johnson, Williams, Schaub, Slaton, etc...
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Wow---that would be an awesome business plan!
How do they pitch that?
"OK, we build a billion dollar stadium and then lure the absolute worst run team in the League to abandon its fan base to come to a city notorious for its lack of interest in NFL football!"
How can it fail??
hahahhaha...nice...
I think the worst thing they could do is bring the Raiders back to LA. The Raiders fan base is so violent and out of control that they would alienate a huge part of the southern california fans from going to the game. Its one of the problems the Oakland Raiders have and the same problem they had when they were LA last.
Rams were just not a very good team and never really seemed like a part of the city. They were like the Clippers to the Lakers when both the Rams and Raiders were here. I think both those teams will struggle to have a big following here. Honestly, the team that makes the most sense is the Chargers and I think they are the front runners IMO becauase they are synonymous with So Cal already, have a solid following in LA as well, and are a good team thats not rebuilding like the Rams, Raiders, and even the Bills and Jax somewhat.
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So many of these threads are like those Bud Light commercials..."Too light, Too heavy."
hahahahahahaha...awesome...
I personally would love to see him get a couple games in at the end of the season once the playoff door is officially closed...
Fitz clearly gives this team our best chance to win right now over Trent and Brohm, but I am not sold on him being able to develop into a relilable starter just yet. I still think Brohm has more upside, then again Fitz is still young too so maybe he will keep getting better...who knows...
Trent's Trade Value
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Pack of Juicy Fruit or Big Red Gum...not the big pack, just the $0.25 pack...
Maybe, just maybe, we could get one of those Jumbo Jaw Breakers that last for like a month worth about a $1