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With reports saying that he looks like a beast in training camp, I must say... I think we have a very good player on our hands.
What? How can that be becasue we "reached for him" and blew it not taking that out of shape slob Cody instead...(who saw like 10 more DT's come off the board after Troup before someone took the blob)
LOL...
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I know it's only pre-season, but I gotta believe that Buddy Nix would NOT be upset if we outplayed the Redskins. Just to let Mike Shanahan know that we'll be fine without his him. Just thinking...
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Personally, I dont think Nix is thinking this given its the first preseason game and literally means nothing. Come week 1, Skins will be a contender and we will be starting at the bottom trying to fight for respectability...no one will ever remember a win in the first preseason game, not even most Bills fans.
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now PLEASE get to camp, learn the playbook and what you need to do, and then PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get in there and friggin produce for one....wouldnt that be nice? a rookie who DOES something?
Um Byrd
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If someone as knowledgeable as Bill Walsh thought Trent had the potential to be a great QB, then I have to believe he possessed the skills to do just that. But what too many on this board assume is that great players just show up ready to play. The truth is they have to be nurtured by skilled coaches. Dick Jauron was a coaching succubus. He literally sucked the life out of his players with his banality.
Chan Gailey is probably the best coach around to bring out the best of Trent. If Edwards has the skills and he hasn't lost anything after the concussion, Chan will make Trent the best QB he is capable of becoming. How good is that? We'll see.
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I am not disagreeing with what you wrote, however, the Bill Walsh thing gets blown out of proportion too much. He was high on Mirer, Drunkenmiller, and several other QB's that never found any success. Not to mention he traded up for JJ Stokes calling him the next Jerry Rice, and neither him or those great 49er teams could make him any good. Add into that the face that this "enodrsement" of Trent came many years after he was in the NFL and was really up their in age.
I have and always will have a lot of respect for Walsh and I know he was one of the true greats, but he was wrong and way wrong on many occassions just like all the greats are and always will be.
I do agree that I think Chan could be the right coach to get the best out of our QB corp, but the real question is will their best be good enough to be a full time starter in this league...I have real doubts if Trent is tough enough to shoulder the load both mentally and physically. He hasnt played a full season in college or the pros, so his ability to stay healthy is a major question mark. Then there is the issues with him getting totally rattled in games, bailing on plays to early and looking to throw it away or check down, holding the ball too long, etc.
Thats a tall order for a coach to fix...not mention there are issues of improving his field vision, ability to read defenses (especially 3-4), his timing to throw to where the WR will be open, and putting less air on his deep balls. Chan certainly has his work cut out for him, and I will be thoroughly impressed if Chan can make all this better.
As far as Trent goes, I hope he proves me wrong as we need someone to step up and lead this offense. If not, hopefully Brohm can because it sure seems like Fitz is falling behind and may even be the odd man out.
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But you do have to admit this camps a little different from those in the past and TE might actually be developing properly like a young QB should be developing during training camp,
Brian Brohm is also coming on real strong in my opinion and just goes to show what good coaching/ scheming can do for a QB's confidence and development.
I will admit that I am really impressed with Chan (and Nix too) with how they are handling camp, all of the positional battles, etc. They are instilling confidence in me that they will make either Trent or Brohm into a serviceable QB this year (I have little hope from Fitz who seems to be having a bad camp by all accounts). I still need to see it games from either QB first though. But, none the less, I am really comfortable with Chan and Nix right now and I only hope that this translates into a foundation setting year of this organizations turn around.
I have nothing personal against Trent, just hated the way he has played in the past. If Chan can get more out of him and he can start putting points on the board then great. But, I need him to do it in games and with some consistency. Even though I am high on Brohm, I still need him to prove it games too.
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Trent always has looked better in camp then in games, so I need to see him play well in games before I start believing he is developing
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As we all know, fantasy football is fast approaching and since the Bills are pretty much out of the running by Thanksgiving, I need something else to follow on a weekly basis....so my question to all of you is who is the first Buffalo Bill that should be taken off the board? Evans, Spiller, Edwards, other?
GO BILLS!
Fantasy football question, I love it (finally a thread that isnt about how the world is ending for the Bills)...have to admit I love fantasy football and have been playing before most people knew about it and you had to score it using your local papers sports page by hand. I am 34 now and I think I played in my first fantasy league when I was in 7th grade in the late 80's.
Honestly, I think 3 players will be drafted in most leagues...Evans, Jackson, and Spiller. Jackson most likely goes before Spiller and Evans unless our passing game starts showing some real life in the preseason. All 3 I would guess would be mid round picks with Jackson probably most likely the first off somewhere near the 4th round. Spiller will have more value in deeper leagues, keeper leagues, and dynasty leagues. Otherwise he and Evans probably start coming off the board between 6th and 10th rounds depending on the league format and how many teams are in the league.
Again, all depends on what we show in the preseason. If the offense struggles, our guys will slide, if our passing game shows life, then Evans value may go up a round or two.
SLEEPER ALERT: If you have room on your roster, dont be scared to snatch up the Bills D/ST in the last round as your second unit. Historically, a switch to the 3-4 usually finds early success. More importantly our unit has the potential to be a good fantasy unit as we are loaded with weapons on ST and our D has the potential to produce some turnovers with our secondary. If the offense can stay on the field longer and our D can stay moderately healthy, it has the potential to be a big sleeper. Dont waste anything other than the last pick or two on them though...
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Hooray! Let's be the nicest team in the league and let all of our talented players walk.
Yeah, because thats what we did right? Geezus, this isnt Madden, you cant trade players to teams who dont want to trade you for them. What is so complicated for you and the other posters with their panties in a wad over this to understand? There was no market for a guy who isnt sure he wants to play, PUBLICY stated he lost a step and cant do the things he used to, PUBLICLY stated he doesnt practice hard or train hard, and makes $8 million a year...oh, and theres that little pesky thing where he wants to fly home after each game and not come back to the team he would be playing for until Wed...
Read this if you want more insight to why you are crying about nothing...the Bills not only did the right thing for him, but did the right thing for the team.
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I think this thread is absurd. Schobel is one of a very small group of Bills that has worked his ass off for the Bills for 9 years. The guy has done only good things and is at the end of a career. He wants at least a year on a team that's got a shot. I'm sure he didn't spend his life playing football to not sniff the playoffs for a decade.
Let him go have a chance at some success before he hangs it up. He's a great player that never had a chance to enjoy success. His contract makes him virtually unreadable...and what, the Bills are going to grasp at a 6th rounder or something?
Good for the Bills for letting him go. He's a rare bright spot in the last 10 years when the team really needed one.
They make a lot of stupid decisions, but letting a solid trouble free player pursue some level of success after years of hard work is ok in my book. I'd expect my employer to do the same.
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Awww Alpha, you're so sensitive.
I'm glad you're playing post police and stalking out my posts. Here's the deal, you get mad at me because I don't wear rose colored glasses and believe Buddy walks on water. Look at how you responded to my original post, not in a nice manner. Was there anything on my post insulting you? No, but you came out swinging and now you're crying about getting beat on.
Your made up stories about Brohm and man-love for him were pathetic. For GOD SAKES, HE'S PLAYING THIRD FIDDLE TO TRENT AND FITZY! Did I exaggerate a bit about you proclaiming him to be the next KW, yes...it's called sarcasm, look it up.
I dont care about your negative stance on things, thats your beef...I dont have a problem with your countless insults, whatever floats your boat. I respond to you the way you have always responded to me, and I can handle it.
Its your constant posts of made up stuff that get old just to try and somehow propt you up. If you dont agree with something I say and want to blast it, great, more power to you and I welcome it. But, its your rediculous made up things like that which really seal you reputation as a terrible poster.
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Seriously, you come with Ellis and Maybin make the LB's better!?!? Really?? They have 3 combined seasons and ZERO sacks to show for them. Do they even have a QB pressure!?!?
Davis is not a really good player, he's an average player. Really good players get more than 2 million dollars guaranteed in their contracts. I like Davis but he is SLOOOWWWW and will be nothing more than a 2 down LB because he is a liability in passing situations. Will he improve our MLB's? He should, he has no competition! What if Davis or Poz (never happens) go down, then who?
You are making enormous leaps of faith if you are relying on Maybin, Ellis and Davis to vastly improve this team, but then again, you proclaimed Brohm to be the next Kurt Warner so what can I expect from you ADummy7.
Its posters like you that are the problem with this board...I dont have a problem that you see our LB corp more negatively and I see it more optimisticly based on recent camp reports. I have a problem with this baseless gibberish you write by literally making things up that other people didnt say. At NO POINT have I ever claimed Brohm to be anything other than a guy with upside. I never said he would be great, definitely never said he would be the next Kurt Warner. I simply said I like his potential and think he has a lot of upside and wanted to see what he could do.
But you just continue to spew off at the mouth with pointless and gibberish jabs liket this that not only are not true but add no value to any thread. You do this with lots of posters on here too...
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If there is one thing that Nix has proved since he arrived here is that you cannot believe a word he says. What was it 24 hours ago he told the media that they would not release Schobel, now they release him. A week ago it was said that Schobel had all the time he needed and would be welcomed, then when the word got out that Schobel was looking for a place to rent, Nix told him he wasn't welcomed. Wishy Washy at best this guy is.
So which is it people? On one hand everyone is upset that we released him and didnt trade him (which was a pipe dream that there was a market for him anyway)...and the same people are upset saying that Nix said we wouldnt just outright cut him 24 hours ago. What was Nix supposed to do? Say they were planning on cutting him then try and trade him? How does that make any sense. If you wanted him traded then Nix had NO choice but to say we wouldnt cut him, yet now thats being used against him too.
Of course he said we would not be cutting him in an attempt to see if there was any interest out there at all for a trade. Clearly there was none, so they went ahead and cut him. With all the rumors of us intending to cut him, his public statements about losing a step and not practicing hard or training hard, as well as his $8 million dollar a year salary, there was just no market what so ever for him.
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Yeah how dense can we be. I'm sure he had the offers flowing in during those 24 hours or so between his comments and the actual time he was released. This is just another example of how dumb this organization can be. Why release him now, why not wait til after the pre-season, or better yet, how about before the draft? AS knew after last year he wasn't playing another game with this team, when he said he was contemplating retirement. Think about it. It's obvious now, but no one was going to trade anything for him.
If you are going to test the trade market (which clearly there wasnt one), you dont publicly say you are about to cut the guy. Clearly there was no market and as a sevice to a player who gave a lot of good years to this team and stayed out of trouble they cut him now. I dont have a problem with that. There was no point to drag it on.
Cutting him now sends a clear message to the team...show up and work, no one is above the team. It also shows confidence in our young guys and now they know the work they are putting in is being noticed and they really are playing for a starting spot.
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Why leave the door open for so long if he didn't think he was coming back? Because he thought he could persuade him>>>>>FAIL! Please, you believe what you want to believe and believe what I want.
Either way, you cannot say that the Bills didn't dropped the ball when it came to improving the OLB position in the draft or in free agency. Save the "they cannot build an entire team in one draft." Shouldn't you start with the most important positions? The spots where you don't have legit incumbents like Kyle Williams, Stroud, Freddy Jax? Well, Schobel ain't here anymore and there will be no position more evident of this mistake....other than Tackle and QB of course.
What? Our LB corp as a whole is better this year. They added Davis who is a really good player and has been impressive in camp already. They moved Maybin to LB and Ellis, both of which are showing promise in camp. We switched to 3-4 and brought in guys up front like Dwan and Troup that will make life easier for our LB's and allow us to use the key intangibles of players like Maybin (which is his speed off the edge). Not to mention Carrington has been impressive and looks like a guy who can contribute early.
You just want to find a way to hate everything they are doing. When in reality they have made a lot of great changes already, brought in new talent in FA and the draft, been great in handling all the positional competitions, and made a very strong and valuable statement to the team in cutting Schobel.
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I agree. Who knows about Plaxico's conditioning, plus being away from the game as long as he has. IMO, if Burress were to play this year, I don't know how effective he would be.
With Campbell there and Davis obsession with the deep ball, I think they may even try and get Buress on the roster and playing in 2010. I doubt he will draw serious interest from too many teams. Young rebuilding teams are not going to want to bring him in, and most of the real contenders are pretty set at WR now. So, Oak I would expect will probably make the most sense for him as they are not afraid of these types of risks and he would have a legitimate chance to eventually be the starter at some point there.
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The Bills heard NE was interested so they cut him ASAP. Can't wait to watch Schobel be the one to take out our QB. And didn't Nix just tell everyone Schobel wasn't going anywhere? Gotta love our honest GM.
How dense can our fans be...do you think it would help his trade value or hurt his trade value if Nix said we are just going to cut him? Seriously...
Do you think its possible that he publicly denied being willing to cut him to see if he could find some kind of trading partner before he actually cut him?
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...eeks/?related=1
I doubt he would play this year at all with any team.
I will be the first to say it...(although I am sure many others also think it)
Oakland will be the first to show interest and the one to sign him.
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Oh thank god, I was worried we wouldnt have someone start yet another thread on this...way to step to the plate
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I was not a fan of pick either but in reality the back who ended up the starter is 29 and has not shown the ability to score TDs. The other RB had a league suspension and was another dumb move away from perhaps a year-long suspension. His productivity also tailed off.
They likely didn't feel comfortable with what they had. Still, why not then draft a Mathews who could be an every down back?? Or, get their scatback in a later round?
Just curious...how were they going to draft Mathews if they didnt take him at #9? Spiller was hands down the highest graded RB in the draft, so why would they choose Mathews over him at #9 especially since Spiller was exactly the kind of back he wanted too?
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Sorry dude. Other than perhaps picking up Madden I can't agree with anything else you said. Sounds like a bunch of excuses for a guy that won't have his opinion of Schobel changed no matter what he does. I'm not the hero worship type. I call it as I see it regardless of who it is.
I guess we will see about item #1 when he is being courted by teams OTHER than Houston and he signs and is still effective. Unfortunately your opinion and view will long since be forgotten as no ones feet are ever held to the fire of history. Yes, I am an I told you so prick. I deserve and welcome the same because unlike some others I can actually admit I was wrong and in the process actually learn something. This helps me to have the right answer in the future.
It's about having the "right answer" not "being right". There is a HUGE difference in that statement.
Huh? I like Schobel and would have like to see him come back. There is nothing to change my mind about. I think he has value on the field still. However, I dont think he has any TRADE value based on his own words. SCHOBEL says he has lost a step and is considering retiring because he doesnt feel he can be as effective anymore. SCHOBEL says he doesnt practice hard or train hard. Add in the fact that he isnt even sure he wants to play yet still makes $8 million dollars and you have a trade market that all by dissapeared. Not to mention, they know that the Bills will cut him if they cant trade him and then they can sign this guy for MUCH less.
I am not even going to address half of what you wrote as I cant even make heads or tails out of most of it. No one is saying Schobel doesnt have value on the field as a player, but what he does not have is TRADE value given the circumstances. So, trying to hold out to get a 7th round pick or something and keeping this cancerous situation on going is not conducive to the team. The message cutting him sends and the vote of confidence it gives our young guys knowing they are truly competing for a starting spot now and their hard work is being acknowledged publicly is HUGE for a young rebuilding team.
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Come on man!!! His serious decision was that he didn't want to play for the Bills anymore, he pulled an Allan Haynesworth/Brett Farve combo and he screwed us. He didn't take the money like Haynesworth which is commendable but he didn't want to switch to a 3 - 4 even though we gave him a fat new contract in 2007. He didn't want to work with the team and used the threat of retirement to get out of OTAs and training camp.
You gonna keep swinging from his junk while you decry the behavior of guys like Jason Peters. Holy double standard Batman. At least Peters WANTED TO PLAY IN BUFFALO! Schobel kicked us in the junk on the way out the door and made sure we got NOTHING in return.
You do realize that some of the other teams he would consider playing for run the 3-4 right?
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So what you are saying is that you agree with my original post. Buddy thought and was counting on Schobel coming back. Schobel decided that he doesn't want to be here. Buddy did not plan for this and it's so freeking obvious.
So what's the problem with my post other than the fact that you have the reading comprehension of a 5th grader? Are you happy with Kelsay, Maybin, Batten and Mitchell being your primary pass rushers? I know Brady, Sanchez and Henne have to be.
This is not at all what I said, seems to be you have the reading comprehension issue. I never said Nix was counting on him coming back...please show me anywhere I wrote anything remotely close to that...
I said Buddy left the door open for him to come back out of respect for a guy who has been a good player for a long time for this team and was still under contract. But ONLY if he was willing to come in and report to camp (Nix even said this) and put the work in just like everyone else. When Schobel made it clear that wasnt happening anytime soon with his recent comments, they decided it was time to continue moving on and officially closed the door.
Your rants just get more foolish with everyone..
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1) I'll take 10 sacks for 2009 any Sunday lost a step or not! I have a feeling so would a lot of teams if they have a brain.
2) Don't play Madden. I missed that generation
3) Something is better than nothing. Wouldn't you agree.
1) 2009 is 2009, not 2010 where he would be playing in a new system (here or elsewhere), is a year older, lost some desire to play, doesnt train hard and doesnt practice hard.
2) You should play it, its a great game...lol
3) Not in this case...one, we most likely were not going to get something in the first place. Two, for a young team it is more valuable to move on from this rather than let it drag out and be a cancerous sitiuation. The message it sends to them that no player is above the team and that everyone needs to come out and work is far more valuable than trying to dig up a very late round pick (which I seriously doubt was going to happen anyway).
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If you're looking for a direct quote from Buddy Nix stating that he is attempting to trade Lynch, no. I cannot provide one.
If you are looking for reports from highly credible reporters like Adam Schefter, Charles Robinson, and others, I can certainly provide them.
I don't over-rely upon reportage BUT, I think it's naive and/or ignorant, hopeful, or stubborn, to think that Lynch didn't try to force a trade out of Buffalo and that the Bills did not attempt to trade him.
No, there are no quotes by the Bills on this matter (why would they comment?). But the critical mass of credible reports, combined with Marshawn's actions/non-actions this off season make it clear to me what happened.
Believe what you want, PDaDDy. I'll do the same.
People believe what they want and construct their arguments from there. Hopefully their beliefs are rationale and objective and not tied to some personal feelings that they hold.
Actually, you are right about Nix and Lynch...Nix publicly stated that he had entertained offers for Lynch during the draft but they were not good enough.
Go To Camp and see for Yourself,Edwards is WAY BETTER!
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I have been very critical of Trents performance (he earned that though with his terrible play), but even I support him getting a chance to prove me and the other doubters wrong under Chan. I never had anything personal against him, just hated his very weak play and lack of in game toughness. The offensive philosophy around here has been terrible the last few years, so its not unreasonable to attribute a lot of his struggles to that.
Chan has his work cut our for him, but I sincerly hope he turns Trent into at least a solid QB if he is going to be leading this team. If not, hopefully he can mold Brohm into a good starter if Trent cant step up. Personally, I dont have a lot of faith in Trent being able to be good enough because there are just so many issues to work on, most importantly his physical and mental toughness. So, I would prefer to see Brohm WIN the job (not just handed it) to see what he can do. If he cant step to the plate and Trent out plays him, then so be it and lets hope Chan can find some QB magic with him.