Alphadawg7
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well personally dick, i liked cody more than troupe. but if gonna take troupe, then trade down a bit. I mean look at NEW ENGLAND-thats how you draft. Carrington was ok, but troupe was a reach
and how do you have faith in nix? Because at this point, we just dont know if he knows what he is doing. I mean, where is our LT???
Cody wasnt even the next DT to get drafted...so clearly not everyone shared your evaluation on him
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It is not like the Buffalo Bills need a QB or anything...Raiders making much stronger picks and picking up a solid QB.
San Diego gets a NT in Cam Thomas that is arguably BETTER then Trouple 3 ROUNDS later.
Bills could have grabbed Clausen in Round 2 and STILL got a NT.
Simply unbelievable.
I can really say, even the Lions are having a great day, Buffalo is now the cesspool of the NFL when it comes to organizations.
This is the lowest of the low.
Clearly the NFL just told you to STFU with crap about Cam Thomas because 17 DT's were chosen in this draft before Cam Thomas...so how is Thomas better than Troup?
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Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Favre, Warner, Romo, Rodgers, McNabb are the upper tier QB's who were in the playoffs this year.
Palmer is the second tier QB in the playoffs this year.
Flacco and Sanchez are the young guys who were in the playoffs.
Tell me where Brohm, Fitz or Edwards even come within the same solar systaem as those guys. Move on, draft a QB because everyone who is not a blinded super fan knows that these guys will NEVER CUT IT.
Clearly you are 100% wrong...do you even realize that? Not even a debate or question, the FO is proving you 100% wrong and basically telling you with their actiions to quit your whining and that you dont know jack about what our staff sees in our guys.
If our guys were a big bunch of losers then the staff would have traded for Campbell or drafted one of the plethora of QB's that fell to them in many parts of this draft. They may still grab a guy late, but clearly, they know more about our guys than a bunch of screaming posters on this board like that broken record DarthIce...
Personally, I think they see potential in Brohm and only a complete fool would completely disregard such a highly touted QB who is just 2 years in this league with no chance to play yet...
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I think we all need to sit tight w/ the QB apprehension. Although, I too am frustrated w/ the lack of a LT to be drafted. We have to assume that there is something else going on there. I cannot imagine Nix, and the run savey Gailey ignoring the desperate need to fill that gap.
With that being said, We have 3 QBs on the roster. IMO you need to let Edwards & Brohm duke it out. Yes, the BS talk of salvaging Edwards is just like having mamma bird ram our regurgitated dinner down our throats but we have him signed, TO is gone, we are not making the playoffs again so give him a gut check & see what happens. Fitz is a career back up. If he stays he stays. Now Brohm...................this kid has talent. He threw for over 4000yds @ Louisville, he was a Heisman candidate, had over 155 QB rating every yr and hes a big durable kid. I kept getting texts furious why the Bills didn't draft Clausen, then McCoy.......we have a great young kid in the barn. I love his mechanics too. I think this kid beats Trent & Fitz out hands down!!! Still cant believe he was behind Flynn in GB.
Totally agree...why are we going to waste a much needed draft pick or trade needed draft picks before we even know what our young promising guy in the stable can do yet?
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They reached for Troupe? Let me guess, you would have rather us taken Cam Thomas right? The guy who still to this point hasn't been drafted. Troupe is 6'5 320. He is the quintessential 3-4 run stuffer. Who else was going to play NT? 6'3 295 Kyle Williams? Please. And Carrington lit up his opposition at the senior bowl and had 19.5 sacks in 24 games over the last two years of his career. The guy was a four year starter and was never injured. Their picks make sense, considering we haven't been able to stop the run for five years now. McCoy has tiny hands and a noodle arm Trent Edwards 2.0 that won't be able to throw in the November and December weather.
I think Nix, Gailey and Co. know what they're doing. I trust their judgment over the spittle frothing mental incompetents that frequent this board.
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I know, you cant grade a draft until 3 years later usually. But I wanted to know what you thought of the Bills draft through 4 rounds.
I will be honest. I dont understand what they are doing. Other than Spiller, I dont like any other pick. I think you had to take a shot at Mccoy. And that they reached for Troupe
Your thoughts?
What a stupid biased poll...you just basically gave all negative answers and one just ok answer...
I would give the draft a B+ right now...Spiller is one of the best, if not the best, player in this draft and Troup fits exactly what we needed in our front 7. If Troup can come in and compete right away and be solid then I think our D has top 10 potential hands down.
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Almost this entire board give props to Buddy Nix, saying things like how much better he'll be than previous GMs, I trust Buddy to do the right thing, Buddy won't make the same old mistakes etc.
But, I am very disappointed to hear his comments about moving around in the draft. He said in a recent press conference that we don't really look to move much, and "I don't know where some of those guys know where they even draft." It got a chuckle from those listening. Nix has very little interest in that option, rather moving up or down. He said "we'll most often just sit where we are and draft from there". But, this reeks of not getting full value of player vs. draft slot. It's almost like Buddy was just too set in his ways, or tired, or old to even want to bother with it. He just doesn't want to "work" the draft. Very troubling comment.
New England has proven that if you know how to do this manuever, it will benefit you. Adam Schefter also, on local, Denver radio, summarized that the Broncos got the net effect of an additional 3rd rounder by all of their moves. The great Dallas teams of the 90's under Jimmy Johnson (I know we hated them) were master's of this practice, and the results were obvious.
It is an inherent disadvantage not to move up or down if/when the situation warrants it and you don't bother. It is not working the draft to your largest advantage.
Nix already publicly said he tried to move up several times in rounds 1 and 2 and then their guy who they were going up to get went just before where they were trying to get them...
In the mid rounds, this team needs too much to give away picks...
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We needed an NT and we got one Mayock really likes, but not all 3 of these worthless !@#$s we have on the roster put together = one quality QB.
Seriously, you are the biggest broken record I have seen on here this year...everyday, you just b**ch about the QB's, especially Brohm and you dont have a clue if Brohm can play...
We dont need the daily Darth lashings on the QB's or the Brohm bashing thread...I swear you have started dozens of these...
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Look at this CJ Spiller clip...not only is it amazing, but look at how freaking fast Jacoby Ford (#6) is in this clip...
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You know dawg as much as I like TE I would have to agree with you because if he can't show he's head and shoulders above the rest and Brohm looks promising early on then maybe Brohm should get the nod.( I like Brohm)
Personally, I think TE is going to impress Gailey enough to win the job, but if he doesn't then its time for a change.
Yeah, if TE comes out and takes command of the position and wins over the staff, then so be it, he should start the season as the starter. If its a close race and he hasnt really seperated himself from the pack, then I just dont see him getting the job, even if he was a little better than Brohm in a close race because his upside at this point is low while Brohm's is high until proven otherwise on the field through real game experience.
I actually think a trade for Campbell using a 5th or 6th round pick is still quite plausible. I personally think Brohm has a ton of upside and would rather see what he can do this year over Campbell who just hasnt really been anything more than average thus far. But, a low round pick for Campbell also is a low price to pay, so I would be ok with his acquisition.
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A match made in heaven?
I'm not really advocating for this, but does anyone think that Spiller might be the perfect compliment to Captain Checkdown?
Maybe Gailey et al. do and obviously see the potential for big plays resulting from dump-offs to Spiller in the flat.
Conversely, whoever is our QB is going to see the middle of the field open if defenses are forced to respect the threat of an outside swing pass. I see big things for Shawn Nelson this year, and whichever of our WRs wind up in the slot or find themselves slanting across the middle.
Of course we need to wait to see who else is drafted- but as it stands I'm pumped that Spiller alone instantly improves our ENTIRE offense!
None of this matters as Trent will not be the starting QB of the Buffalo Bills in 2010...We will either acquire Campbell/Vick or Brohm will win the job if we dont bring anyone else in.
Here is why...they already know they cant win with Trent...been proven time and time again, I mean he couldnt even win that game against Cle last year where they were DA was like 3 of 15 passing. More proof of this is the all the reported interest they have had in several QB's like Campbell, Vick, Jackson, etc. that havent exactly been consistent themselves. If they really felt they could win with Trent, then we wouldnt even be exploring these other QB's who are somewhat developing projects still themselves.
I am convinced that the staff, FO, and even the players dont really think they can win with Trent. If he comes in and has a great preseason and camp, then so be it, the job should be his if he wins it. However, if the race is close, even if Trent has been slightly better than Brohm, I think the staff will give the nod to Brohm because Trents cieling is low and Brohms is high. So, I dont even think Brohm has to completely outplay Trent to win this job, he just has to be close in the race and I think he will win the job.
If they both struggle, then Fitz could have a shot of winning the job, but I dont think Fitz is going to outplay both of them IMO.
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So far, its as expected for the first 3 picks...pick #4 is what will set the tone for the remaining picks before us...
So now the real draft begins...
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when our young guys "hit their stride", their rookie contacts will be up and they will leave in free agency, as so many before them did. and the rebuilding cycle will begin again.
You are holding on to a regime that no longer is here...and in reality, we have been pretty good in retaining our better players for a while now. Ones we let go, like Clements commanded contracts that far exceeded their value and it was the right move letting them move on.
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Sooo lets waste our top ten pick on a guy who has character issues and is going to miss the first 4-6 games? pass
Uh, who cares about the first 4-6 games of the 2010 season...what difference does that make in regards to the value of our top 10 pick on someone who may or may not be a good NFL player? If we traded for Ben it wouldnt be for only the 2010 season, so I fail to see the relevance of of his suspension in regards to the value of our #9 pick...
Oh, and further more, that rookie we take at say #9 most likely has a minimal impact in those 4 to 6 weeks anyway as they are adjusting to the NFL...if we took someone like Claussen he may not even see the field in those weeks...
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Jason Taylor has signed for two years with the New York Jets. Another good signing for the division rival Jets. Coupled with the Pats signing Torry Holt today, the Bills just keep falling farther and farther out of any dream for competing in the division. Seems like every other day, someone from the AFC East, besides Buffalo makes a good signing improving themselves. Gonna be a long year for the Buffalo faithful.
Everyone needs to relax...2010 isnt, nor was it ever inteded to be, a return to glory. Its a year for a new staff to come in and put their stamp on this team and build a foundation with the young players we have and the ones we are about to draft. Its the year to start the development of guys like Nelson, Maybin, Brohm, Hardy, Johnson, our rookies from this draft, etc...
I am not concerned about Taylor who will be done in a year or two, just about the same time our guys will be hitting their stride in development. Let these other guys sign these aging Vets like Taylor, Holt, LT, etc for a run at the SB the next 2 seasons while we build our foundation to be a leader of this division over the next 10 years.
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I'd have to completely disagree with your notion its more important to be athletic at the NT position than at Quarterback.
Let me elaborate more clearly on what I meant...
A QB doesnt have to be fast or even nimble to be mobile in the pocket (See Kurt Warner, Brady, Montanna, etc, etc). For example, Brady had literally one of the worst combines (some say the worst) in terms of athleticism in the history of the combine. However, Brady is considered one of the most mobile pocket passers in the NFL, in fact Ron Jaworski did a whole piece about this on Brady for ESPN. The reason is because of Bradys instincts, pocket preseence, and his footwork in the pocket allow him to side step the pressure and step up and make the throws.
A NT on the other hand needs to be able to get out his stance fast, he needs to be able to shed blocks, shuffle around the line, beat the OL to the point of engadgement, etc. Their effectiveness has a lot to do with strength and athleticism where a QB can be good and even Elite if he is intelligent, has good touch on the ball, accurate, etc. In other words, its much tougher IMHO for a NT to over come these short comings than say a QB who can make up for a lack of athleticism with a number other intangibles...
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This is not a concern for me. In the NFL, 60% of all plays from scrimmage are passing plays. My instinct differs from yours. I believe his best days are ahead of him as far as weight and discipline. We'll see.
I do have to say that I am concerned about his mediocre initial quickness (which I just found out about, via this thread). At the Pro level, these guys fire off the ball and with their explosion, and pad level, once they get the defender going in a direction, it's all over for that play.
I don't care how much anyone weighs, all these guys are strong enough to capitalize on the initial advantage once they seize it. All these O-linemen can pull/push a truck. If Cody's going to get consistently beaten to the punch, that is a concern, in my book.
Still he was a monster in college. I don't really know what the outcome of this is going to be but it sure will be interesting.
Pretty much exactly what I was thinking when I read this report on him...if he cant move well or get off the ball quickly then thats going to be an issue at the next level in my opinnion.
When you factor in how many DT's become busts at the next level, this report isnt really reassuring of his potential. Not to mention his questionable motivation given the poor shape he keeps himself in...
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You guys miss the key point of the post I originally put up from roto world where they referenced him as a big fat blob who cant move and then went on to reference him as a media creation.
Of course 40 times are not the most important part for a NT, however, he scored poorly in almost every category in regards to movement and quickness and that could be a problem at the next level.
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At #9 I would be pissed if we took...
Hughes
Campbell
Tebow
Haden
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From roto...
Based on forty-yard dash time, Terrence Cody will become the slowest defensive tackle to be drafted in the last 20 years this week.
Cody's 5.66 forty time is rivaled only by former seventh-rounder Corey Swinson (5.62 in 1985), fifth-rounder Tim Roberts (5.51 in 1992), and 2009 Patriots second-round pick Ron Brace (5.51). "This guy doesn't have any first-step quickness," observed a scout of Cody. "He's a big, fat blob," added one NFC personnel man. "He's a big media creation. He cannot move at all."
Not too flatering...this doesnt mean he cant over come this, I mean Tom Brady had one of the worst combines ever in terms of athleticism. However, Cody's position is quite a bit more affected by athleticism, or lack there of. I have not been high on him at all thus far, and this sure didnt do a whole lot to change my mind...
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First of all, I pay zero attention to peoples opinions that don't have to be held accountable for their suggestions or ideas. Second, I don't even follow your logic anyway. I am talking top available playmakers in the eyes of the FO, what 1st hand knowledge do you have of Haden anyway? This team needs best player available. I have doubts about the entire team until they "show me the baby".
Um, did you read what I wrote? Because that is exactly what I said in regards to the no one knows who the FO ranks as their best player available...
And I will make any wager you want that if Joe Haden is there at 9 that we WONT take him...we dont need him at all and it would be fan base suicide by the FO...
And your last statement makes no sense...you doubt the whole team until they show you the baby? So you are saying you blatantly ignore talent and circumstance and favor stat sheets...another Madden junkie
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Didn't know DarthIce was a contributor to Bleacherreport.com
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Ngata, Orakpo...considering the Bills' recent 1st round picks, sometimes freak outs are very much justified.
Thats not this staff...so it no longer has any value to what we do in this draft.
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I must be missing something on having to get a LT in the #9 spot. At our draft position we should get the BEST at a given position. Getting the 3rd or 4th best tackle with that pick does not add up for me. This team is short on playmakers at all positions. Until this team is a bonafide playoff monster, all positions should be open for a transition. If we get too many great players at a given position then you can move a guy for draft picks, but that is certainly not our problem now.
Well for starters, the "best" prospect at another position may not be a better player than the 3rd best prospect at another...
Secondly, the best prospect at the other position may not be from a position we need...for instance, there is no way we take Joe Haden at #9 if he is still there even though he could be the highest rated prospect on the board at #9 (if Cle doesnt take him).
Thirdly, every team ranks players based on their own evaluation...so just because Mel Kiper says he is the best at his position doesn't mean the team feels the same way...
Even Oakland is PWNING the Bills
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We had arguably one of the 3 best drafts of any NFL team last year, if not the best draft...but its sucked for the last 11 years? This board never ceases to amaze with the abundance of ignorant statements...at least its entertaining