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His contested catch rate was lower last year because of the poor QB play from the QB getting hurt and also in how Florida St used him. Otherwise his catch rate would have been excellent over his college career.

I get where you are coming from, but we did address the trenches also in the 3rd round. We had lots of places we needed help and the Board falls the way it falls too. I wouldn’t expect them to reach for an OL if there was someone on the board they had graded higher. And I think our OL was in better shape going into draft than our DL too. I for one am stoked about our first 4 picks and firmly believe they all play and contribute year 1. Ray Davis was a major target for me coming in, I was stoked when we got him. And like many, Cole was my target at Safety too.

Yeah, and think about it...Keon is 6'4" with incredible athleticism, hands, and body control. Im sure Josh is drooling about throwing fades to him instead of short Diggs that never worked. When Josh sees Keon actually catching end zone fades and making big catches while making it look easy... Josh to Beane: "Him...thats the guy...get me him"

Good as I love to see them tie more money up for 2 years in an aging TE who is losing a step.

Have to say, I am a bit stunned by this. Not sure how you come away with that impression personally, I thought the interview was great and so did just about everyone, even sports personalities are loving and becoming a fan of his. Heck, my wife who is a die hard Niners fan and sick of WR diva egos between Deebo, Aiyuk, and of course Diggs (who our dod is named after) loved him and thought it was a breath of fresh air from a WR.

Dont call me Surely

Question: Are you intentionally trying to look more and more foolish with every comment like this was a Leslie Nielsen comedy?

He didn't say he is setting a low bar, he is saying all the people saying we "didn't replace Diggs and Davis" are not realizing how little production actually had to be replaced. What has this team been in the past? SOFT. Diggs disappears in the postseason...Davis is not a smart player and had unreliable hands and was one dimensional. Those were our top 2 guys. Now, we drafted a dawg in Coleman, how is open when not open, who has incredible hands and a massive catch radius and a redzone beast. Then we have Shakir who led the NFL in efficiency, catch rate, and yards per target in his 2nd year who is YAC beast. Then you have the sure handed Kincaid who is a mismatch for defenses and a big target in redzones. Then you add in a swiss army knife type guy in Samuel who has had between 50 and 80 catches 4 times (Davis never hit 50 even once) and runs a 4.3 forty and never had a chance to play with a real QB. Instead of 2 guys who underachieve in the postseason, who drop passes when it matters (yes Diggs did too), and are too often taken out of games...we now have guys who go out and make plays, guys with sure hands, guys who are tough and cerebral. Beane, like myself, got tired of the soft team that wasn't matching the toughness and physicality of its opponents preventing us from making that extra play or two to win these tough games where the other does make those extra plays or two. I mean we probably beat KC last year if Diggs doesn't drop the bomb. Who did the Bills turn to for the go ahead TD on the final drive? Shakir ran a perfect route open to the endzone before Chris Jones bullied Dawkins back enough to step on Allens foot on the throw causing him to short arm it. Diggs and Davis are addition by subtraction...just watch this year.

I wouldn't hold your breath

I actually don't think he is a huge boom or bust prospect, that to me is more guys like Legette for example. Coleman has a higher floor than others with his size, great hands, and catch radius. I also don't know I would phrase it teams passed him by as much as not every team is looking for the same style or type of WR. Coleman was one of the higher ranked WR's of the draft and went about where he was expected to go, which was either late first to early 2nd. He was going to go at 34 had we not taken him to the Pats who tried to make him a first round pick but couldn't get a trade done. And I think you are going to get your wish as I think Coleman will put up better numbers than most of the guys that went ahead of him. Coleman is going to quickly show what he can do and win the fans over early IMHO

What did you already post higher up? And what have I made up my mind about?

Yes, we have an exciting group of weapons for next year, it may even prove to be Allens best season. And we are finished, 100%. Beane literally said so after the draft he will be making no trades for WR's despite the medias obsession of falsely linking the Bills to every trade in the NFL. He said he was signing a guy, which he did, and we are done right now. Doesn't mean something can't change as they get into camp and maybe someone comes available, we have an injury, or maybe the unit we have is struggling...but right now, he is done with any significant moves.

NO. He isn't even the best WR on his own team let alone worth what they pay him. And Beane flat out said he will not be looking to trade for any of the rumored available WR's. He likes who we have. So it doesn't matter if they are available or not, we are not going to be a potential landing spot for him despite, as Beane even puts it, the media linking us to every trade out there.

So let me see...you're frustrated that people are not wallowing in the negative viewpoint end of the pool where you swim 365 days a year on everything Bills related? Maybe...just maybe...if you were not the one who has like a 100% success right of putting a negative emoticons on every post here that has any positivity to it what so ever and only ever liking ones that support a negative view point others might actually discuss more rationally your view points. Bottom line is pretty simple with Coleman...if you line him up with a faster corner and just say go deep in a straight line, he isn't going to run past him. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have the speed to still be a deep ball guy, the speed to get open, the speed to be a great WR1 in the NFL. He is fast enough and as fast or faster than many of the best WR's of the last 10 years. Whether he will develop the technique and skills to reach his potential is still to be seen, but there is a reason to be optimistic he will because he has the attitude, the work ethic, the drive, etc to believe he will put in the work to get there.

Yes he did, and as Beane literally said in the past and again this year, anyone can have an off moment in any one drill at the combine, and if they do, he isn't going to kill him for it. It won't change the tape, it won't over ride all the other drills, etc. And then he did also significantly improve the 40 time at his pro day like you said to a 4.51 which is faster than a lot of the best WR's in the NFL now and the past 10 years. He did and it was a 4.51

Shakir has always been working with Moulds since early on. This wasn't a new thing this season if you didn't already know that. He's been putting in the work to be the best he can be and we have just seen the beginning with him, this kid (like I said in my thread about him) is about to arrive here in a bigger way than people think.

Its hard to ever take anything you say seriously as you literally hate or find the negative in everything...always...no matter what...in all occasions...in season or off season...that the Bills do or say. The last time you said something positive about anything related to the Buffalo Bills, the only thing OJ had murdered were his lines in movies.

Hmmmm...maybe because his deep ball in his least accurate pass? Maybe because bombs are a tiny part of a game, if that. Maybe because we play outdoors in a bad weather stadium where late in the season and playoffs "bombing it" isn't a realistic game plan. Or...more importantly...maybe (and really certainly given Beane has even said as much) because this team has seen other teams be more physical and tough in the postseason allowing them to make those extra plays or two than we have because we have been too soft, tried to be to high octane, etc. Some of you blow my mind. Hey...lets keep doing what doesn't work. You say we have the this incredible QB, but then you guys also say he can only succeed if he has the best collection of weapons the NFL has ever seen. Its so stupidly contradictory that I can't help but laugh when I see people regurgitate this nonsense over and over again. Meanwhile, the fastest offense in NFL history (Miami) can't even beat a .500 team, can't win their division with a 4 game lead and 5 games to go, and can't win a playoff game despite MVP candidates at both WR and QB. Why is that? Because you WIN IN THE TRENCHES...you don't win with a track team. You win when you play good, physical, smart football. Yes, also having speed to go with it is great. But it is not the end all be all. PS: We are NOT a slow team. Shakir runs a 4.4 forty, Samuel a 4.3, Kincaid is a mismatch at TE, and Cook is an explosive RB both as a rusher and receiver. Not to mention maybe the most dangerous QB while running the NFL has ever seen who is deceptively fast and powerful. This concept we have no speed or explosion is so inaccurate it baffles me if any of you saying we don't have any speed even know anyone on this roster outside of Diggs and Allen. And as far as Coleman goes, fastest gauntlet of anyone...the test that is MUCH more indicative of game play speed. He may not blow by corners, be has burst, athleticism, and acceleration that most guys his size don't have to go with a huge catch radius and great hands who is a massive redzone weapon too. PPS: Guess where you score more TD's...redzone or bombs? Don't bother looking it up, the answer is blatantly obvious.

This and I will take a step further…they also don’t understand the fundamentals of what makes a good WR, the fundamentals of how you get separation, and how little weight the Game/scouts give the 40 time as a stand alone evaluation vs the sum of all the parts, combine events, and tape. Fans seem to think the 40 time is everything. GMs, including our Beane who has said it many times, understand a guy can go out at the combine and either have an off day or have gone out to train on how to excel at combine and put up big results. Neither scenario CHANGES THE TAPE. You can’t over weigh the combine results good or bad versus the tape. Combine is a part of the story, it is not the complete story. Coleman for example didn’t get his best 40 time at combine but then went on to crush the much more important gauntlet and then ran a cleaner 40 and improved to 4.51 at his pro day. Xavier Worthy on the other hand trained specifically to beat the combine time record. He trained in sprinting and lightened his frame. Thats not his real game speed. Still has elite speed of course, but he did that to set a record, it’s a show to try and raise his draft stock and profile.

Your obsession with moving heaven and earth for a WR is getting unhealthy. So unhealthy you can’t even see the talent we have already in Shakir, Kincaid, Samuel and the talent we added in Coleman. What are you going to say when this is a top 5 offense again and we have 3 players near or over 1000 yards receiving in Coleman, Shakir, and Kincaid? What are you going to say when Coleman has more yards and TDs than 3 to 5 of the WRs drafted ahead of him? My guess…you’re gonna say the same thing you always say, even when we had Diggs…go mortgage our future with draft picks and cap space to trade for an again vet. Or you going to say trade our 3 picks in the first 2 rounds for some WR in the draft next year. It’s like the only thing you talk about on here.

By having an Elite QB Great post 👏

My issue with him is he is a fantasy football fan, who turned it into a job, who uses a few historical data points that lacks almost all context regarding the individual players and their individual traits and talents to somehow project a players future. This isn’t a professional scout who knows real football, knows how to break down film, technique, traits, etc and not only does he not have the experience, he also doesn’t have the depth of information they do either.

Josh Allen: Thats who I wanted and you can check all my posting before, during and after the draft. I hated Rosen, argued with people all leading up to the draft that he didn’t have what it takes and was gonna be a bust. I also warned everyone about Darnold and while I wouldn’t have hated Darnold, he was a terrible decision maker at USC and I thought he was a big risk and I preferred both Allen and Lamar. Baker was my top guy all college season, and once it was clear he played his way into top pick consideration I turned my attention to Allen and Lamar. Was down on Allen early in offseason leading up to combine, but he changed my mind post combine. And Lamar was my next guy, even started a thread titled “My case for Lamar” in a scenario of staying put and not trade up. Matt Milano - Honestly, I missed the later parts of that draft. Didn’t know a lot about him, and didn’t have a strong opinion one way or another initially. But he quickly became someone I was impressed with once he was here. Terrell Bernard - I wasnt as familiar with him as I am say I feel I am with Coleman, but I was pro the pick and defended it in the 18 page draft thread and Beanes decision to take him. Even called Kiper an idiot for him hating the pick. I really liked the potential of Bernard with his instincts and ability to cover TE as well and trusted Beane knew what he was doing given the success we had with another undersized LB in Milano. When he was set to start though after Edmunds left, I did have concerns if his frame could hold up to a full season of the physicality of playing LB. And honestly, that is still a concern that hasn’t really been eliminated despite his great play given he got hurt in his first season starting. I was actually glad to see us take another LB this year because with Milano and Bernard being smaller, injury risks are a thing and not having either of them against KC was a death nail as KC just attacked and exploited the glaring hole at LB all game. So I’m all for more depth there with the guy we took and guys like Dorian last year who I also liked.

You get separation from a number of things, least of all forty times. He has plenty of athleticism to separate at the next level and it’s going to come from technique. And at Florida St they didn’t focus on this enough with him, but he’s shown the ability to do it. At the next level the coaching in staff is going to focus on his technique and release because he proved he has plenty of short area burst and athleticism to excel there. There have been a lot of guys who came out where separation was a knock on college but showed they had the athleticism to be able to utilize technique at the next level. It’s why guys like Kupp, St. Brown, etc have all gone on to have great success. If a player lacks that athleticism (see Gabe Davis) then the ability to develop the techniques and routes that will allow them to consistently win at the next level isn’t as likely. You need to know what you are looking at to know who can improve and who can’t. It’s why people high on Allen could see the potential to be accurate by seeing he had the tools, intelligence, commitment, coach-ability, etc to make the improvements in technique and showed he could do it early leading up to the draft. Coleman has that. He has that drive, commitment and athleticism to continue to develop and improve where he needs to in order to win consistently in the NFL. Will he? Who knows. But he’s the kind of prospect I like to bet on. This kid has an it factor that a lot of players don’t. He has the right attitude, mentality, confidence, swagger, and competitive drive that sets a prospect up for reaching their potential. To me…if DeAndre Hopkins and Brandon Marshall had a baby, that’s Coleman except Coleman is more athletic and humble. That’s who I see when I watch him. And Coleman ran a faster 40 than both of them.

Incorrect. I’ve been saying since combine Worthy is not a good fit for Buffalo and that his 40 time doesn’t matter nor does his forty time show up on tape like it does for Tyreek Hill because there is a lot more that goes into real game speed than 40 times. First thing I said is Worthy speed is going to get negated in the bad weather in Buffalo late in season and post season, especially when the games get more physical because he isn’t strong. And when it does, he is going to be easier to take out of games. The difference between the people cheering him on is that they haven’t decided his career yet like his detractors who say he is a bust or cap his upside. They see a lot of potential and excited to see what he can do. Others have made their mind up (Like they did with Allen, Bernard, Milano, Taron, Cook, Shakir, etc) on draft night that he’s a bust or JAG at best and nothing more than that is possible. And the worst part is almost all of them are doing so off one piece of data only, one that is not nearly as significance to a WRs success as its overly exaggerated to be.