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Spiller and Roscoe are going to make us better because Chan will figure out how to exploit teams that crowd the line of scrimmage. That bomb to Evans was a great example. We don't have to throw 20-30 yards. All we need to do is get the ball to Spiller or Parrish in open space. Teams will have to adjust to our attack, which will take pressure off Edwards (or whoever) because they will not be able to put 9 in the box without getting burned. I'm very excited to see some of the real Bills offense under Gailey.
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I totally agree with everything you just said...for it to work though we need one of our QB's be able to step up and be solid in executing Chans offense. They will need to throw crisp, decisive, quick passes...and right now, Trent seems to be the front runner and I dont have a lot of faith he can execute that consistently.
You did mention that long pass which has been a hop topic around here. Thats the problem I am having in fully buying in right now, as I dont see that long pass as a thing to come as much as it was a relatively easy throw to a wide open WR on broken coverage. Somehow that one pass has made some people forget the rest of his preseason and I just dont get it.
This is Trents performance the entire preseason...not exactly exciting.
11 of 20 (55%) for 151 yards (7.55 yds/att), 1 TD, 1 INT = QB rating of 75.2
Now look at what happens if you take out the one bomb:
10 of 19 (52%) for 81 yards (4.26 yds/att), 0 TDs, 1 Int = QB rating of 41.78
Sadly, he should have had another INT which would have been a pick 6 if the DB didnt drop it on the 2nd series of the Indy game. His QB rating would be 56.45 on the preseason if the DB doesnt drop it...doesnt exactly build a lot of confidence for me.
So while the one bomb was a great throw, the reality is he hasnt been very good as a whole this preseason and that concerns me a lot more than the one bomb has given me hope. For me, beyond the stats, he just hasnt looked very poised, decisive or confident much this preseason either. He has made a couple of nice throws but also made a lot of bad ones and bad decisions.
The good news is that Chan has good history with QBs, so I hope he can mold one of ours to be effective in his offense. If he does, this offense could be dangerous, but only if he can turn Trent around or develop Brohm.
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Never say never. How bad were we last year and the year before that, and we still won 6-7 games? The playoffs are not that far out of reach.
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Yeah, but the issue then is the same now...who is going to throw the ball? Until Chan turns one of our QB's into at least a solid starter we will not make the playoffs. That being said, I bought into what Chan is doing and bringing to the table too. I really like the direction this team is going and I feel like that what ever happens this season it will be a step in the right direction, especially in really getting a our younger guys out there.
If one of our QBs starts to really develop under Chan into a solid QB then we may surprise some folks this year.
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Well said. A guy like Clausen looked better because there was a ton of crap. The top guy didn't play all season and got a serious shoulder injury in one of the few tiems he got hit in college. The 2nd QB off the board is learning how to throw a football again. The rest were passed on every team in the league, sometimes multiple times.
I love next year's draft. Locker, possibly Luck, Ponder, Pryor (I think he has a big year), and Mallett could be a very special group. I like all over those guys over any QB in this draft (though I won't have hated Bradford or Tebow - love the guy as a leader).
Agree with everything but the Tebow part. I get the whole "leader" part, but thats what the coach is for, to be the leader. Of course my QB ideally is also a leader on the field, but leadership doesnt make up for poor mechanics, and his mechanics still look bad to me. I just dont think he will be a very good QB, and he wont seem nearly as good of a runner in the NFL as he was in college as the defesnses are much faster here. So while leadership is a great quality, his ability as a QB just isnt strong enough for me at this stage to be comfortable with him as a future starter.
Of course, thats just my opinnion, and obviously Denver saw enough in him to move up in the first for him...I mean he may end up putting it all together at this level, but he sure seems to need a lot of work on his mechanics to be able to do that.
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Found this story online browsing around some football news...
The Cleveland Plain Dealer lists rookie Colt McCoy as one player in need of a strong showing over the final two games to make the Browns' roster.
It's exceedingly rare for an NFL team to give up on a third-round pick after one preseason, and it's hard to imagine McCoy passing through waivers. Still, McCoy has been dreadful in exhibition action (5-of-12 for 25 yards, two interceptions) and camp scrimmages while Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace have shined.
No, I dont want us to pick him up if he is put on waivers, I dont think he would make it in Buffalo. LeFevour is in danger of being cut in Chi too...this all just further illustrates how underwhelming this past QB class was and how it makes more sense to see what our guys can do this year and look at a QB next year if they falter.
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I think Roscoe, like Lee, has been a prisoner of this offense and bad QB play the last few years. The one of the things I like about Chan is that he is intent in getting the ball into our playmakers hands. I will reserve some excitement until I can see a QB behind center who can execute come game day. I dont care how many offensive weapons we put on the field, if we don't get one of these QB's to be able to step up and produce on Sunday we still wont score many points.
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What about Cornelious Ingram? Someone told he was was a FA...
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I'll give you that on Clausen, Tebow, and Bradford.
But tell that to the guys ripping Brian Brohm.
It's the same thing…just a matter of degree.
You can only START to judge Brohm now because he's had such limited snaps/games/years under his belt.
It's a work in progress.
^^^THIS^^^
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Heres a pointed response:
Bell over Lynch -- right.... Bell runs well against backups so trade your proven RB for a late round pick. You should apply for a GM job.
I would really like to see you throw the ball 60 yards and hit a WR in stride. So have a friend of yours videotape you throwing a football that far and post a link to the youtube clip.
CJ Spiller, will not and is not your #1 RB. He will be used in different situations and formations. I dont think we will see a true #1 RB on this team.. 3 very different backs.
Lets not exaggerate here, the pass was exactly 48 yards in the air (pause it and the ball toches Lees hands while his front foot is exactly on the 29 yard line and Trent threw from 23)...and I watched people do this all day in my flag football league yesterday...not saying it was not a nice pass, just saying its not that hard of a throw. And if you listen to Trent talk about it he even said he essentially just chucked it as far as he could (for what its worth the ball traveled 48 yards in the air)and hoped Lee would get there. There was not a whole lot of skill used to make that throw as Trent in that situation is never going to out throw Lee with his speed that far down field.
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Thanks for updating the site...looks great. I vote for the shout box to come back though, much better than having to go into a seperate room to chat IMO...
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I just rewatched the play, Edwards let go on his 23 and hit Evans at Indys 25. So 52 yards in the air, on a rope. Pennington can't, Brohm can't Fitz can't make that throw.
You must not have watched closely as I have the game on pause and the ball is in Lees hands with his front foot standing on the 29 yard line making it a 48 yard pass.
None of this matters, I never said it wasnt a good pass, it was a great pass, I just said that it wasnt a difficult pass given how open Lee was and how much time Trent had...he better make that pass. I said yesterday that he made a great pass, but even Trent said he just chucked it, so for me it wasnt that difficult of a pass to all of a sudden change my opinnion of his other many short comings.
I dont care if he can hit a WR wide open, I care if he can hit WR's who are open but in tighter coverage...I care if he can move in the pocket, not give up on plays, see the open guys, make good decisions, not fold under pressure, etc. And I didnt see anything the rest of the game to really make me think he has turned a corner, especially that second series which was awful.
Brohm showed potential, still needs more playing time to get his timing and rhythm, but he showed me enough to want to see what he can do with the starters.
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Sure you can. That ball was thrown on a rope 45 yards. Half the guys in the NFL do not make that play and hanging it up like JP used to would have allowed the defense time to react. That was a beautiful throw.
Again, please show me just one NFL QB who cant thorw that 40 to 45 yard pass...all I want is one. I mean the weakest arm in the game by popular vote is Chad Pennington and he has made that throw many times, even after several surgeries to his throwing arm.
And unless you threw it so high it resembled a punt, no DB was going to get there as no one was remotely close to being able to make a play on that ball.
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Yeah let's ignore all that arm tackling especially that safety. That wouldn't support you incorrect position. Also, that pass was more than 45 yards in the air, and no most QB's don't complete that.
I think it was more like 40, but that doesnt matter...Please show me one QB on any NFL roster that cant throw a ball 45 yards...Chad Pennington who is said to have the weakest arm in football can easily throw it 45 yards...
Heck, I can throw the ball 45 yards with no problem, how can an NFL QB not make that throw?
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There's been an increased awareness of head injuries in the league over the past few years. Concussions come easier every time after your first. Trent has had two that we know of and that makes him (more so than others) susceptible to being one good hit away from being out of the league. That was a pretty serious hit. His head hit the ground hard and he appeared to be dazed and slow to get up. I was actually surprised that he wasn't kept out of the game. So whether it was a good decision medically, I give Trent credit for showing some toughness for coming back and having a good night when a lot of people were calling for his head.
The Indy game alone was just a step in the right direction however. He needs to show that he can overcome his flaws and perform well consistently.
I see your point, so out of fairness, I went back to watch the play again. I mean having played LB I am probably a little biased on what is considered a big hit, so I watched it a couple of times just now.
I still feel like the hit itself was not really big hit, more of a moderate shot, but I do see your point about his head hitting the turf and that it was hard enough to be a concern for someone with previous concussion issues. That being said, how can we count on a QB who can barely take that hit? This is the NFL and he will get hit harder than that, especially with this O Line trying gel, so how is he ever going to last as a QB if every decent hit can potentially knock him out of the game?
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I like how they say if you take that play away he sucked. Well if you take Spillers TD run away he sucked too. He would have been 9-23. Let's cut Spiller. If he doesn't have a big play he blows. Brohm was great though. 5 yards per pass. Woohoo.
lol...BIG difference...Spiller play was an amzing and skillful play that not every RB in the NFL could have made. Trents pass was a ball (that he himself said he just chucked the ball hoping Lee could get to it) that any QB from high school to the NFL could have made. It was a 40 yard pass to a WR wide open downfiled because of blown coverage by the safety with no pressure on the QB.
The two plays are not even close to the same level in terms of difficulty...it was also Spillers first NFL action ever.
Granted, it was a great throw, but it was also as easy as it gets. Why do things need to be perfect for Trent to make a play? We arent going to get that kind of blown coverage but a few times a year, so what about the rest of the time?
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So what did you think of his play last night? Let me guess. "If you take out this play, or that play, he sucked."
This is my new favorite type of TBD "analysis"His play last night was not that impressive to me. Was it his worst outing, of course not. But his game didnt exactly convince me that much has changed either. Watch the game rather than look at the stats. You take away the one long play to a wide open Lee and what exactly did he do that would really change someones mind about him as our starter?
For example, lets start with his second series...he went 3 and out. More telling was that he threw what should have been an INT to Lee who was not remotely open but it was dropped by the DB. Worse is that Trent chose to throw to Lee despite having someone wide open in between where Trent was and where he threw to Lee. So again, he demonstrated poor decision making and poor field vision.
Outside of the throw to Evans which was about as easy as it gets, what else really stands out? He still looked shaky and sometimes panicky in the pocket. So rather than mock those who arent convinced over one play, why dont you provide us with something he did OTHER than that easy throw to a wide open Lee Evans. Trent even said he just chucked it up hoping Lee could get to it...it was not that difficult of a pass.
And for those talking about him getting up after that hit...are you serious? It wasnt even that bad of a hit and it took him a bit to get up from it, but even so, who cares. Its the NFL, big hits happen all the time and these PROFESSIONALS get up after those hits and get back out there. How sad is it that we have to get excited about our fragile QB being able to come back out after taking a modest hit?
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I think it was Steve Tasker last night that said the current QB competition is for #2 between Fitz & Brohm..and that the loser of that competition would more than likely get cut
That is just his interpretation of it, Chan insists its an open competition for the #1 as well...People have to stop reading so much into outsiders observations and start listenting to the teams stance...
Trent has not been named the #1 QB yet...Fitz or Brohm still could be chosen, and until Chan says otherwise we wont know who is starting week 1.
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Everyone here is pulling for brohm a lot recently it seems after last night. You would of thought he threw 4tds and 300 yards last night by this board. In actuallity, he did a little more than nothing. 14/21 for what, 125 yards against second string? Fitz played better the first game. In fact, do we realize he didnt play AT ALL in the first preseason game? Because why? Because Trent/Fitz outplayed him to that point. Hes third on the depth chart.
What last night makes him second or first on the depth chart? Fitz and trent have thrown tds, he hasn't. In fact he hasn't thrown one his whole career.
He even got into camp before trent at fitz during rookie camp, and theyre still ahead of him.
Wake up and smell the coffee, his only chance is the #2. At best. Trent is a better quarterback.
But all in all, Go Bills
LMAO...if you are going to rant, at least understand what you are ranting about. Chan said he is going with 2 QB's a game to get them extended time and the chance to get with the flow of the game. Game 1 was Trent then Fitz, Game 2 was Trent then Brohm.
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People pick sides and then they care more about being right than the team. If Trent or Maybin got cut tomorrow half of the board would be thrilled regardless of the effects on the team. They would be able to post that they are right!
Your post is the typical defense that posters say who have run out of excuses to justify bad play...
Personally, I dont think Trent is good enough...but I really do hope he proves me wrong as its nothing personal on him, just his play I cant stand. I would like nothing more than him or one of the other QB's to step up and be a good NFL QB...I just have very little faith at all in Trent to be able to do that. His tendency to fold the tent in adversity are things that normally dont change once they show their face in a players game...
His game reminds me of the old Jim Everett once he lost his nerve or Cougar in Top Gun...
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Trent Edwards has been villified on this board as Captain Check down, and haveing no emotion. He throws maybe the best pass of his NFL career after a beautiful play fake. 70 yards TD Lee Evans. Then wow he shows emotion and looks genuinely pumped, chest bumping and high fiveing his teammates. All after taking a hugh hit. Passer rating of well over 100. I guess there is nothing that will makes some people happy on this board.
UN-BILL-EVIABLE
Get his bust ready for the HOF because he hit a WR who didnt have a defender within 10 yards of him...LMAO.
What else did he do that game? For starters, the second series should have been an INT but the CB dropped it when he threw to a completly blanketed Evans who wasnt remotely open. We of course went 3 and out as well.
One play, whether it is good or bad does not define a players ability. Every single QB in the NFL, and I mean everyone from the starter down to the guys on practice squads, could have made that throw to Lee. I 100% gurantee you I could have even completed that throw which was a 40 yard pass or so.
And as far as your emotion comments, that is actually just highlighting the problems with Trent. His mental game folds under adversity and he needs everything to go his way to play with confidence and show emotion out there. He needs things like Lee running wide open to take chances and make big plays.
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Great news! We need that ballhawk back there. He's our best defensive playmaker.
I love Byrd, he is a ball hawk, but I dont know that he has quite eclipsed McGee yet as our best playmaker. I was one of the few who loved the pick at the draft, and I still love the pick and think he could be special. That being said, he also still needs to work on his overall coverage skills to take it to another level and eclipse McGee IMHO...McGee doesnt get nearly enough credit for his talent, mainly because it gets lost in the defenses struggles.
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Welcome to the league Mr. Stupar...
I have a feeling that Stupar may not give up that starting spot very easily now that he will have it. He has impressed me and is easily the better blocker too. I still really like Nelsons potential as a recieving threat, but Stupar seems to be having an all around strong camp...
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i see you are in playa del rey. Is The Shack still open? I had some good times there.
Ah the shack! I actually live on the beach right behind The Shack...I had walked over and had a shack burger for lunch today...it's still going strong. They had their annual chili cook off last weekend
Edit: looks like my girl and I are gonna walk down and meet some friends for drinks...small world...
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I hate to say it, but the bad pass to Lee represents progress for Trent, IMO. Not the bad pass part, but the fact that he let it go before Lee was looking back. He made a bad decision, as Lee was really blanketed, but at least he gave it a shot.
Yeah I see your point...however he had a guy open between him and Lee and that gives me continued concerns of his field vision. I will say that the bomb to Lee at least did not have a ton of air on it which was encouraging.
I do agree too about that pass to Stevie
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Folks get so much of a thrill from the the long ball TD, myself included, anything else pales in comparison.
In truth though, If you take the long strike to Evans out of the equation, Brohm played just as good as TE,
The running game really has me tickled pink,
CJ Spiller has a nose for the endzone and he showed it tonight...
If you take away Trents bomb to Lee then Brohm out played him. That was a great pass to Lee from Trent but outside of that he was pretty ineffective and should have had a pick on that terrible pass to a blanketed Evans on the 2nd series but the DB dropped it. Other than that pass, Trent did not really do much else...wasn't a bad outing for Trent but he wasn't really impressive either than that one pass.
I love Gailey's style. I think he's right for this team right
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What "what if" game? There is no what if...his QB rating for the preseason is 75...not very good. In close to a full game of play combined he has 150 yards 1 TD and 1 INT...how is that much different than what we have seen from him in the past? And almost half those yards were on 1 play with blown coverage by a safety. Outside of the one play he has a QB rating in the forties...that's not what if, that's fact.
Even worse are how few first downs our starters have generated...