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I say we trade our first round pick for McNabb or Kolb, nuts yes, but here me out.
With the 9th pick in the draft, only 3-4 teams could come away with a less than average player. The Bills are one of those teams. We will more than likely get another bum player who is out played by a 5th round pick. Since 2002:
2002 Mike Williams Texas Tackle
2003 Willis McGahee Miami (FL) Running Back
2004 Lee Evans Wisconsin Wide Receiver
2004 J.P. Losman Tulane Quarterback
2005 No 1st Round Pick
2006 Donte Whitner Ohio State Safety
2006 John McCargo North Carolina State Defensive Tackle
2007 Marshawn Lynch California Running Back
2008 Leodis McKelvin Troy Defensive Back
Thats 8 players since 2002, and only 1 has been an abover average starter (Evans, I will give you McKelvin is too young in his carear to judge too). I would trade ALL EIGHT of those players for McNabb. Now, another way to look at it is like this - I would trade those 8 first round picks for McNabb.
So, while the 9th overall pick may have huge value to teams that draft well, it has almost no value to a team that drafts as terrible as we do. ie:
Would you trade Mike Williams for McNadd/Kolb? YES
Would you trade Donte Whitner for McNadd/Kolb? YES
Would you trade Marshawn Lynch for McNadd/Kolb? YES
Would you trade JP Losman for McNadd/Kolb? YES
Would you trade Lee Evans for McNadd/Kolb? YES
Would you trade Aaron Maybin for McNadd/Kolb? YES
Would you trade 2010 9th overall pick for McNadd/Kolb?
I think you get my point.
While I agree with your argument to trade our first for McNabb, there is one issue still and thats at Tackle. If we trade our first for McNabb then its imperative we sign a good tackle in FA. So I would much prefer to do a seond and change for McNabb or a future first rather than a first this year in case we dont get a good tackle in FA
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We have a top 5 pass defense because we could not stop the run. Why pass when you could run the ball? We had a top 5 pass defense in stats only, when we needed a stop they could not do it. Just look at the NE games, when we needed to stop the pass we folded and lost both games! We are great until it is really needed.
Um, Byrd wasnt activated yet in the first meeting or the second meeting who is easily our biggest playmaker in the passing game...not to mention we lost McKelvin for the second game too as well as other starters, especially at LB.
And in the second meeting NE scored 14 of its 17 points in the second quarter and had no points in the 4th, so dont know where you are getting the whole we cant stop them when it counts thing in regards to that game.
So your theory doesnt really have much merit...
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Is there an archive of Mel Kiper articles from years past? I'd like to read what he's said about other QB's coming out of college and see how often he is right.
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I think we can all agree that Bill Walsh was one of the best talent evaluators out there of all time...He said that JJ Stokes was the next Jerry Rice and traded up to get him in the first...how did that work out? He was also really high on the QB Jim Drunkenmiller...bet most of you havent heard of him...
The point of that is that no matter how much you know about football or how great you are at evaluating talent, to be able to consistently be right on players coming out of college is nearly impossible. Its a completely different game in college against a massively broad range talent in terms of competition. Its incredibly hard to project how these players will fare in the NFL which is made up of all the top talent from the level they are leaving.
That being said, what Kiper brings to the table is information, not accuracy...knowing as much as possible about each player is his business, but I wouldnt put a whole lot of stock into who he thinks will be the best in the NFL as thats not his background.
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I think signing McNeil would be HUGE!!!
Could you imagine if this happened though...
McNabb stabilizes the QB position instantly, then we have Brohm to groom under him for a couple years.
McNeil anchors the young line with Wood, Levitre, Butler, and Hangartner...thats a pretty good line on paper
That opens the door to go best player available at #9...most likely LB or DE, but possibly WR, DT, or OL again.
If we go DE, then move Maybin to LB and we may shore up both positions with one pick...
I should be GM...lol
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The Bills should really consider going after Mcnabb. If we were lucky enough to land McNabb we would instantly become a serious playoff contender.
This is what I was saying all last offseason...McNabb on this team makes us a real contender for the playoffs...well at least the healthy version of this team. Seems as soon as the season gets going we lose half our starters, but assuming we stayed relatively healthy, this team is playoff caliber with McNabb.
Trade for McNabb, sign McNeil, and draft a stud LB/DE at #9 and we will be on a serious upswing under a new coaching staff next year IMO...
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Uh, who makes up that group? First time I've heard anything about him, period.
Just because its the first time you heard about it doesnt mean its the first time this was reported...this is acutally old news, was reported on a while ago...there was even a thing on sporstscenter about it and about his off the field side of him a while back. They even referenced the choking incident and all that jazz.
Again, because you havent heard about it doesnt make it not true or how he is percieved...A couple of my friends are big Colts fans and I was ragging on them a lot when this all originally came out...its been known for a while. It hasnt gotten any attention in the media since because there hasnt been any real new developments in the case. But its the MAIN reason Marvin was not signed this offseason despite him and his agent trying to find suitors for him. No one wanted this baggage this case could potentially bring, especially for an aging vet...
Think about it...Marvin and TO both were FA's and TO found work in days and Marvin couldnt get a job with anyone despite being a better WR, better teammate, and having better hands.
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No Quarterback
Arguably the worst O-line in the league
2 of our 3 starting WR's are not under contract anymore (Owens and Reed are out)
We have no Tight End
We have a completely undersized Defense which will require wholesale changes if anyone wants to change the scheme.
We have a farm league baseball marketing guy running the show
The Weather, arguably the worst amongst the entire NFL
I disagree a lot with your post...
1. We have Brohm, a very promising young QB who many coaches loved coming out of college who was very accurate and has a big arm. Good young prospect to develop, plus we have the 9th pick in the draft if the incoming coach isnt high on Brohm.
2. Arguably the most hurt by inury O Line in the league...we have a lot of good talent on this O line in Wood, Levitre, and Butler...Hangartner is ok at Center, and we just need to add a LT. This O Line could be much improved once healthy next year, especially if we sign a LT in FA or draft one high...
3. We still have Evans at WR and 2 prospects in Johnson and Hardy. We may bring TO back yet, and we could always pick up another WR in FA or draft. Not as bad as you would make it seem.
4. We have a very promising young TE in Nelson, not to mention Stupar and Fine are solid and would look much better on a team that could actually pass. Our TE core is actually pretty good, our QB's have just made them look bad.
5. Our Defense has a top secondary (one of the hardest things to build), a future stud in Byrd, solid DT's, and is really lacking depth more than an over haul.
6. We have a GM now in Nix who is highly respected for his football eye around the NFL
7. The Bills weather is just as bad as many teams, many top teams, in the NFL...Buffalo is not the only one with this type of weather, and MANY would argue that Chi is the worst weather in the NFL.
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If we hire another coordinator with no HC experience I think it's clear the team is lying about being serious about making real changes to put a winning team on the field. The level of incompetence shown by the front office in the past 10 years is alarming. It is imperative that we as fans show our displeasure by instigating change.
The only way the FO is ever really going to get it through their heads that the fans are hopping mad about the direction this team is going in is if we affect the team's bottom line. We have terrible seasons and season tickets still sell like hotcakes. I'm not saying people should stop rooting for the team, just that we should stop serving as financial enablers to our deluded FO. I will continue rooting for my Bills while watching them on tv, but I will not be buying tickets or Bills memorabilia until they show a true commitment to ending this cycle of ineptitude. I would encourage people to do the same if you want to see this team restored to the contender it once was.
This is so stupid...teams who WANT to win hire coordinators EVERY year...just because you hire a coordinator says NOTHING about your intentions for the team...some of the top coaches in the league were coordinators before they got their current gigs, including teams still in the playoffs (Balt, Jets, Saints, etc), a recent SB winner Tomlin, and one even took the lowly Cardinals to the SB and has a chance to go back to back SB's this year...so enough with this whole BS about who we hire indicating our intentions. In fact, BOTH coaches from last years SB's were coordinators just a couple years ago...
Anyone who doesnt think Ralph is serious about winning is a fool, Im sorry, but its true. He has been spending money, taking chances, firing staff, etc, etc...he even hired a GM. You can disagree with some of his choices all you want, but to outright claim he has no interest in winning because he goes out and makes a hire of a top coordinator is just about the most ignorant thing you can say.
S**T gets real deep up here on this board I swear...
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Seriously though, I would much prefer to have Billick then Fazier or Grimm...
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Perception is reality. Marvin was known as a soft spoken, good guy.
Lynch and Vick were know for reppin the hood.
Actually, anyone who really knows anything about Marvin off the field knows he has a real dark side beneath him. He has long been feared by those who know him off the field in his private life and is said to have quite the temper. The general public has a whole different view of him because he stayed out of the spotlight, was soft spoken to the media, and kept a squeeky clean public record...but this isnt the same Marvin that people know back in Philly...
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Shanahan/Elway, Bellicheat/ Brady,Levy/ Kelly,
I think its safe to say most successful HC have or had above average QB's during their HC career.(not all)
Agreed...and actually, The Big Tuna coached some pretty good QB's too...Phil Simms and Bledsoe in his prime.
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Jps time is well over here and he is on another team also, by the way.
Trent, surprisingly, may well get another chance next year depending on the new coaches evaluation.
Personally I think he will never recover from the Adrian Wilson hit and is due for some migraines in his 40s and as he gets older, because of that. But he hasn't retired and he is under contract at the right price. He may get some snaps yet.
Actually JP only signed a one year deal that was essentially a 3 week contract, so unless Oak resigns him then he is a FA...that being said, dont bring him back and dump Trent...
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1. Rivers
2. Warner
3. Brees
4. Flacco (all he does is win)
5. Romo
6. Manning
7. Sanchez
8. Favre
Huh? Man, you have made some crazy posts today...now you have Rivers ahead of Warner and Manning #6 behind Flacco, Romo and Rivers?
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http://www.ustream.tv/channel/buffalo-bills-now
Just heard him report that Jim Kelly is heavily involved in lobbying Bill Cowher as recently as 5 days ago. The Bills are still pressing Cowher even while conducting interviews.
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Based on how they're playing right now...
1. Manning
2. Rivers
3. Warner
4. Romo
5. Brees
6. Favre
7. Sanchez
8. Flacco
Manning is Manning.
Rivers is money.
Warner missed on how many passes Sunday?
Romo...hate to put him this high, but he's playing well.
Brees has stumbled a bit.
Favre...see Brees
Sanchez...one very good playoff debut, can he keep it up?
Flacco isn't asked to do to much but they're moving on.
How do you rank them.
1a Manning
1b Warner - Warner owns the playoffs...dude had more TD's than incomplete passes against the #2 D in the league with the leagues defensive MVP Woodson on that squad...seriously 5 TD's only 4 Inc...nothing new for him either, he owns the playoffs.
2 Brees
3 Rivers
4 Favre
5 Romo
6 Flacco
7 Sanchez
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Something tells me you've said that within the last 5 years about another QB....
The only person I can think of you are referring to is Trent and I felt postive about him for a very very short period of time. In fact, I changed my tune quickly and became very critical with him going back to mid season last year, even after our good start. I was spot on with my criticisms last year (even though many flamed me on them), but like many others, prior to that he had me believing he had certain intangibles like IQ, poise, and pocket presence that are key make ups of great QB's...I quickly backed off that opinnion mid season last year where he clearly started to show it was all a mirage...
For the record, I also said Bryd was a great pick, could challenge for ROY, and was a ball hawk long before the season even began at the time we drafted him.
That being said, no one is right about every player, hell, I thought Bell had some nice potential too and wouldnt be much worse than Walker at LT...that was a clear miss on my part. We will never know how Walker would have done, but clearly Walker couldnt have been much worse as Bell was bad...so like I said, no one gets em all right...
But you can put me on the official record for believing Brohm will be groomed to be our guy and we wont go QB in the first 2 or 3 rounds of the draft.
The only wildcard for me is if we bring in a HC who has his targets preset on a specific QB in the draft that slips to us...say Weis and then Claussen is ther for us for an example...or Jim Kelly gets some kind of key role in the FO and he pushes for Tebow since he seems to say alot about Tebow.
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What rating were we giving trent after his first start against the jets? Didnt we think he is our future quarterback? Guys, dont bet your money on Brohm, because history has proven that franchise quarterbacks are taken in the draft. ie) kelly, manning, brady!!
Brohm was taken in the draft, second round (a year after he was projected to go top 5 even #1 overall). And that was in 2008...so how does your post make any sense?
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Any F.O. that's drafts a "project" at DE with the 11th overall pick is ignorant. NO F.O. (other than the Bills apparently) drafts a project player that high. It's BS, and if they say that, they're lying.
You do realize Maybin was projected to go top 15 or 20 on many draft boards and projections right? So your point makes zero sense because someone was going to draft a "project" that high.
Do you even watch the draft? Every year all kinds of kids with BIG potential go high...every year. There is always a player or two that does OK in college but puts up a freakish combine to get into the top half of the first round, sometimes even top 5. There is always some QB with big physical skills thats unpolished that goes high, even #1 overall. This is what makes up the draft...yet you say that is BS to think any other team drafts projects that high? You clearly dont watch the draft of follow college ball enough to see all the projects drafted top 15 every year if you think thats true.
Not saying Maybin is going to be good or bad...but he was the #1 rated pass rusher in the draft by most for a reason. It is way to early to make any determinations on him...way to early.
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Mark it down...we will not draft a QB with a high draft pick in this draft as Brohm will be our QB of the future. He will either start going into next year, or a Vet will be brought in to keep the seat warm until they feel he is ready and he will be no lower than the #2 next year.
We may grab a guy in the mid rounds if someone intriguing is still there, but I really dont see us going QB in the first 2 rounds with all these other holes here.
There isnt a QB in the draft with Brohms updside and tool set.
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Aaron Schobel is what he is- a very good football player, but in order for him to be a difference maker- and by that, I mean someone who opposiing teams scheme against, he needs to have a hall of fame type player opposite him. I would package him with a couple other players- maybe including Evans and/or Lynch with our top pick and try to move up to get Suh. Ndamukong Suh is a hall of fame caliber player that you can build around.
When his piers voted him into the Pro Bowl they all said it was because he was a guy they always had to gameplan for and was the one they worried about on gameday...he didnt have a HOF player next to him...
Its been said by opposing coaches many times before that they have to gameplan for Schobel every game and yet he has never had a "HOF type player opposite him" in his career.
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I think the Falcons have the worst pass defense in the league (or one of the worst). I was hoping for something more, in light of that.
No offense, but your hopes were pretty unrealistic. Even the worst Pass D in the NFL is still way tougher than any D he would have faced in college (which is the last place he has played a game). Not to mention all the other stuff working against him: First ever NFL game action, Decimated O Line, terrible OC, no reps with the first unit til this week, no timing with WR's, and the big factor of only being here 5 weeks to begin with. Those were some pretty tough variables he faced...
I will be the first to admit that I am really high on this kid, always have been, and sat there with my fingers crossed that we would draft him in 2008 when he started slipping. But, even though I think highly of him, I still didnt expect much more than he did yesterday.
If you factor in the parameters surrounding his start, I would rate this game a 7. You could see the evidence of it being his first start, but you could also see him begin to get more comfortable out there. Remember, he hasnt played in a game in 2 years and he has never played in a game at this speed with the NFL playing so much faster than college. He has a fire about him, a big arm, and was always very accurate in college.
I hope he gets another start next week for the sake of additional experience.
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This is the best compilation I could come up with:
Young guys we should trade for and develop (not named Brohm) - Curtis Painter or Drew Willy (both colts)
Someone we could trade for and start next year -
1.) Troy Smith (he's VY but a better passer and a little slower)
2.) Delhomme (he might just need a change of scenery, worth a shot if cut)
3.) Brodie Croyle (has shown flashes the past 2 years, never got a chance cause he was thrown into the fire immediately)
4.) Pennington (we'd be a missed tackle away from Fitzpatrick again, and Lee would never see a deep ball)
5.) Losman (yes i still think he's got something)
6.) Todd Collins (still has a rocket, not many miles on him, and has shown that he has grown since he was last a Bill)
7.) Alex Smith (I doubt that San Fran wants to dump him now, but if they go back to Shaun Hill I'd like him)
---side note - he is the reason I don't think we should give up on Trent yet Or should've given up on Losman.
and the one guy I'd LOVE to get if we could pry him from the Eagles is
8.)Kevin Kolb... guy looks like Aaron Rodgers just biding his time behind an HOFer and we know McNabb isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Our best bet is clearly the trade route for one of these guys. probably the most upside is Kolb with Delhomme being the best bet of the veterans.
So there you have it. Thats my research from top to bottom of every roster in this league. Brandon, if you are listening, start dangling a 3rd rounder for some of these guys...
Troy is not a starter in this league
Losman is only under contract this season and IS a free agent this year...but still NO
Alex Smith is not in any way available
Pennington would get killed here
Croyle is not any good
Delhomme is done
Todd Collins...uh no
Seriously, why would we bring one of these bumbs in next year instead of giving Brohm a shot? BB has loads of potential, so why not let him try and develop next year over these bumbs? No one on this list could lead this team to the playoffs, not one, next year. Pennington was a good QB, but with his latest injury and the state of our O Line and his soft arm, he couldnt succeed here next year.
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Back at you! Hope you and your loved ones had a good one.
The bolded part is something we basically both agree with. Our only difference seems to be you are taking the "yes/no (with more emphasis on yes)" approach, where I am thinking Brohm is more of an extra or bonus.
The scouting report was merely a "tool" to prove a point. And you proved it with Tom Brady.
You keep saying Brohm was highly touted, and would have been drafted in the first round in 2007, and was drafted in the second round in 2008.
In 2008, Mike Flynn was considered nothing but camp fodder by pretty much every scouting analysis I could now find.
So what does that prove now?
Nothing. All those 2007 and 2008 draft and scouting reports are worthless right now. What has value now is what the players did once they hit the NFL.
As "bad" as Tom Brady was coming out of college, he still made back up.
The Green Bay Packers drafted both Flynn and Brohm in the same year. So neither QB had previous NFL experience.
After analyzing both players, the Packers came to this conclusion:
Flynn was better than Brohm, and Brohm was so bad, he was actually cut from the team.
In 2009, the Packers came to same conclusion, and Brohm was once again cut from the team.
That cannot be denied, and it cannot be spun.
In a previous post, you stated (essentially) Brohm was not a FA pick up. Unfortunately, that is what Brohm was (more like a RFA).
Thanks for the Xmas wishes...
I get what you are saying, however, I think there is one thing you are over looking about the PS stuff in GB. Someone has to back up Rodgers, and that person is going to be the guy the most ready to play, especially when your starter is entrenched like Rodgers. You dont carry a #2 guy who is someone still developing, you carry a #2 who can come in and be the most ready.
GB felt Flynn was more ready (remember they were both rookies last year) than Brohm. That doesnt mean they feel Flynn has the brighter future, just means as rookies, they felt Flynn could fill in better if Rodgers went down. A very important piece of info about that is when we signed Brohm GB tried to match and keep him. Clearly they see something in him to try and keep a guy who will never see the field for the next 12 years with Rodgers there.
It should also be noted, that just because Flynn (who was pretty good in college) wasnt a high round pick doesnt mean he cant play. QB's surprise all the time. Look at Warner and Brady for example...came out of no where. Everyone was shocked when NE made Brady the backup to Bledsoe on a team that was supposed to be a contender. By no means does that mean Flynn is going to be as good as those guys, but GB is really high on him and he grasped there system quicker than Brohm did in their first year.
Not to mention, Flynn went through the whole year with the team as the #2, so that is going to help him develop even more than what Brohm had to work with on the PS. So its not really a shock that coming into year two Flynn was more developed than BB. So, I wouldnt write Brohm off just beacuse on a team riddled with holes and injuries at other positions that decided to carry only 2 QB's he got stuck on the PS. They just felt Flynn was more ready to fill in if something happened to Rodgers...
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just curious with what people think brohm would have to do these next 2 games to be a starter week 1 next season. does anyone think it's even possible with only 2 games experience. if he has 2 great games i think we should still take a qb in the draft, but should we waste a first round pick on a qb if he has two great games. u don't want to invest so much money in a guy from the draft that may turn out never seeing the field if it turns out brohm does start week 1 next season. which is why i think if brohm has 2 great games and i mean 2 possible 300 yard passing games with like 4 td's and an INT in that strech. that qb should still be an option in the draft but maybe more towards the later rounds. what do u guys think?
NOTHING...there is no way in hell he earns the starting spot next year in these two games. If he plays solid to really good all he does is vault himself to the top of the competition, but he will still have to earn that spot this offseason.
If he plays terrible, doesnt matter because the tables are stacked against him, so it doesnt mean much if he struggles. He still will get a shot to learn the system and compete for the job.
So, I can not see any scenario where he either earns the gig or outright loses his chance here regardless of how good or bad he plays. Honestly, there isnt a QB in this draft with his tools and upside, so I expect him to get a shot this offseason. Whether it works out or not is another story, no one knows what he can be at this point, but his potential is as good if not better than any QB in the draft this year.
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Uh, actually a QB can do just exactly that...but thats besides the point.
We have a lot of weapons on this offense not being utililzed even remotely close to their potential, including Freddy, because we havent had a QB capable of running this ship. A QB's success is NOT tied to the talent of the LT. Sure, a great LT helps a whole lot, but in no way does it mean a below par LT means a terrible QB...Rodgers, Big Ben, Warner, and many others all have had great seasons without quality LT's or quality O Lines. Plus McNabb has the ability to throw on the run and get out of the pocket, so he has a tool set that can help compensate for a bad O Line.
However, that being said, Bufallo is almost surely going to grab a LT in the first 2 rounds of the draft or sign one in FA...so why on earth would you be against filling the biggest hole on our team (QB) just because we have a hole at LT? Just because we get McNabb does NOT mean we would just be done and not sign or draft a LT...