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Yet, oddly enough DeAngelo Hall had the instincts and quick-twitch to react to the ball, drive on it, pick it off, and go running down the sidelines the other way. It is a too much to ask for a superstar WR to be able to see and react to a play as it develops and make an athletic play and all.
Um, Hall was playing behind Lee and coming back to Lee as Trent stared him down while Lee was running an out to the sideline. But I guess Lee is supposed to be able to see through the back of his helmet and understand that Trent is taking an hour to deliver the ball with his weak arm like 12 yards down field. A QB with any kind of quality arm strength easily completes that pass as Lee was wide open when he started that throw, but a weak armed QB throwing off his back foot with his body momentum falling back ward and to the side throws an easy INT.
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are you kidding me? seriously? that line was terrible. i'm not giving the qb any excuses but i love how ur giving the OL excuses.
Whoa now...I didnt say the O Line was good, I said they were not the reason we lost this game. There were plenty of times our QB's had time and threw terrible passes, check downs, etc.
In fact, in the first Qtr on 3rd and 13 Trent checked down to Lynch with NO...yes NO pressure on a 3 yard pass play.
Our O Line was far from great, but they gave all our QB's opportunities that they outright squandered several times.
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Then Brohm deserves a chance to start next week and get some good reps in. I am guessing Trent will start and Brohm will come in with the 2nd unit and Fitz wont play with Levi in mop up duty, but in all fairness let the kid start. He may bomb or he may do well, but it doesnt matter, all today proved is that Trent and Fitz dont have it...so let the kid that we dont know enough about yet get some well deserved reps and play a quarter or two with the first unit.
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We started this game with backups folks, backups versus Haynesworth & starters. We had 0 offensive chance and had almost 0 chance of mustering much more than a FG in the first half. The Skins played their starters the whole first half and it showed, so I would expect a different game come real time.
We also had several fantasy penalties & Corner should of had a pick 6 would would of made it a 3 point game at the time, next play swung it 14 points against.
Relax & let's have out first versus the rest of the NFL first, before killing yourself.
Our O line did NOT lose us this game...you either did not watch the game or you are some kind of QB apologists for this team. With time, our guys did nothing, made terrible throws, terrible decisions, terrible check downs. It was business as usual with these QB's...time to get Brohm some reps and pray he can do more out there than Trent and Fitz. If not, then we will not win more than 4 games, and I am an optimist for this new team.
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I've been reading through the threads lately and all i see is " oh the bills will suck" or " Trent sucks" or " There is no hope".
Guys. Relax. It's the first preseason game for crying out loud. There are still 3 more preseason games to go. I guarantee that if we light it up in Toronto against Indy, everyone will be talking about us going unbeaten.
After watching this, here are some reasons on why we shouldntt panic just yet:
1. Our backups on D wont all be on the field during the regular season like today. I hope.
2. 3 o-line starters not playing.
3. Lynch and Jackson only played like half of the first quarter.
4. Edwards has nowhere to go but up after his performance today.
5. Our new coach might actually fix some of our mistakes
6. Steve Johnson looked pretty good, and will be the 2nd receiver
7. Poz, our best linebacker, didnt play.
8. There are still 3 more preseason games left to play
9. As my saying goes, in order to succeed, you must fail.
10. If Edwards can improve, and i think he will, the whole team will improve
The problem is that Trent looked exactly as he has always looked. Makes a couple of ok throws, then checks down on 3rd and 13 with NO pressure on him and throws a 3 yard pass to Lynch who had no blockers...then he scrambles a few steps out of the pocket and throws a weak pass off his back foot to the sideline for an INT when he doesnt have the arm strength to make that already dangerous pass.
Seriously, how was Trent any different than before tonight to give anyone hope he will get better? He hasnt gotten better since he left High School...what difference will 3 more preseason games make? Honestly, I just want to know what to pin the hopes of his improvement on.
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This is a tough call. Edwards did not throw on time because he was quickly flushed out of the pocket. Chambers was a turnstile as usual.
Evans needs to get to the ball and help the QB out. When a QB throws on the run the WR needs to be moving too.
I put this one on Evans.
How? Trent scrambled for all of 2 seconds and only took a couple steps out of the pocket when he threw it...Lee was in route to the sideline, he didnt have time to break off his route. You people act like Trent was scrambling for his life...he took a few steps out of the pocket and threw off his back foot. This is a terrible decision and an even worse throw by a QB who does not have the arm strength to make that throw.
Lee wasnt 40 yards down field, he was running a short to med out pattern to the sideline when Trent threw that lame duck. If Trent had any mustard on that ball then its an easy completion.
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LMAO, 8 Minute quarters! Someone needs a girlfriend.
My girl was at work...but thanks for trying...
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Ok, so I picked up Madden 11 today and of course first game I play is with Bills...after all the hoopla over the poor ratings I was curious to see how they played. I used the new Gameflow play calling (wanted to check it out too) for both offense and defense. Rewinds were turned off. Here were the results...
Buffalo vs Miami: I won 63 to 14 using 8 min qtrs.
Levi (put him in as the starter) 138.5 QB Rating, 21-29 (72%) for 354yds, 5 TD's, 1 INT
CJ Spiller (made starter) 23 carries, 188 yds (8.1 ypc) 4 TD plus 2 rec 30yds and 1 more TD.
Evans 8 rec 165yds 1 TD
Nelson 6 rec 90yds 1 TD (made him #1 TE)
Roscoe 3 rec 35yds 1 TD (made my #2 WR with Chad #3, Easley #4, Steve #5, and Hardy #6)
C. Jackson 1 rec 14yds 1 TD
Easley 1 rec 20 yds
On Defense, Mia was held to just 109 yards passing with 1 INT and 3 forced fumbles (2 recovered). However, they were able to run pretty good on us (I was controlling Byrd during the game), especially in the Wildcat. Brown and Ricky combind for 21 carries for 125 yds and 2 TD's. Had a couple sacks too and several deflected passes. Maybin actually led the team in tackles.
So all in all, the team moved the ball with ease down the field. Levi made some good throws and Spiller is almost unstoppable (at least in this first game) and would have had even more yards if the play calling system didnt call wildcat like 4 times which always got negative yards. Run D seemed to be weak, but overall the secondary made up for it with lots of deflections.
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Pay no attention to the past ten years or so - it was just a minor blip.
I did not mean we dont have a QB need, I meant we dont know if Trent or Brohm could be the guy under Gailey. You took that a whole other directon.
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They had nothing good to say about the Bills this year.
Greeny picked the Bills to go 5-11
Golic picket the Bills to go 4-12
What did you expect them to say? What move have we made that can be seen as positive by the national media who don't closely follow this team? They are not listening to each Chan press conference, reading the daily TC notes, closely following our young players developments, etc.
As far as the national media goes, we did not draft a LT or QB, drafted a 3rd starting RB essentially, and hired Chan Gailey instead of a big name coach and we are doomed for a bad season.
Why do people expect the media to prop us up before we have gone and proven that we are headed in the right direction?
And NO, I am not bashing our moves...I love the Gailey hiring thus far, am excited about Spiller, glad we did NOT draft a QB this year and are finding out what we got in Trent and Brohm first, and think we added even more talent to our D. To me, this team is headed in the right direction for the first time in a long time. But I dont expect the media who doesnt closely follow this team to notice until we start showing it on the field.
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Well tonight is the first look we will get at the Bills in live action this year. The question in my mind, as it was last year, is "will the Bills first team offense score a TD in the preseason?" Some love to point out that preseason "counts for nothing", "It's meaningless", "We run a base offense", etc. Well looking in the rear view mirror the inability of our first string offense to score in preseason DIRECTLY translated to the regular season last year.
Another question I have in my mind is "Will Gailey pull the plug on the 4th year of the Trent Edwards failed experiment if the offense pulls up lame out of the gate?" I have been one of the BIGGEST Trent bashers but in reality I want the team to do well and for that to happen TRENT has to do well. Last thing I want to see though is another year of futility with rubber arm ballless Cpt Checkdown playing not to lose. I SO hope I am wrong.
Its going to be tough since we didnt trade Donte for Troy Smith...if we had then it would have been a slam dunk
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I'll be honest here: I didn't really care who we drafted this spring, as we had a hell of a lot of needs.
But after watching some of the Panthers/Ravens game last night, I have to say...I wish we had drafted Clausen. For his first NFL game, he looked better than anyone we've got on the team right now. I couldn't help but think "he could've been ours" the entire time I watched. Am I alone here?
Oh well - here's hoping that Spiller ends up making me forget all about this tonight!
Keep in mind that we already have a highly regarded prospect just 2 years ago in Brohm who had yet to be evaluated fully for a season by our team and Trent who many at OBD still believed had upside. We were never going to fill all of our needs on this team in one season. Chan wanted to shore up the D and add a playmaker on offense in the first 2 rounds as I would guess he is looking for a powerful rushing attack and stout defense to build this team around.
Why use a high draft pick on a position that you dont even know is a true need? I have criticized Trent plenty and dont personally have a lot of faith in him, but even I will admit the offensive scheme and coaching for him has been just as bad as he has been. Chan liked Trent and wanted to see what he could get out of him, not to mention he was intrigued with Brohm. So why not let the new staff get a crack at developing these guys, and Chan has a good track record with QB's, and add key talent elsewhere before we use a high pick on this position.
Not to mention, everyone passed on Cluassen, and many more than once, so the analysis on him obviously wasnt as good as what many posters on here thought. Next years class is much deeper and may even have a rookie cap, so if there was ever a year to try and develop our guys first, this was it because its this staffs first year, we are rebuilding, and next years class looks to be better and we wont have to wager our financial future on an unproven QB (see Oak: Russell)...
Claussen may turn out to be a good QB, no one knows for sure during the draft, but he obviously had enough queston marks to force many QB needy teams to pass on him more than once.
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The Pats seem likely to keep six or seven receivers, but special teamers Sam Aiken and Matthew Slater are ticketed for those final two spots. Holt was already behind the eight-ball before missing this week's practices with an undisclosed injury.
Come on now...Torry Holt? If he cant even carve out a spot in NE then how is he going to help this team?
Whats it going to take for people to understand that this is the first year of a new system and new staff and that we NEED to use this year to evaluate and develop all these young players hanging around on our own roster?
What good would come from cutting one of our young guys (who according to reports are all mostly having good camps) to sign an aging Vet who wont help this team anyway and will be out of the league next year (or maybe this year)? The excuse that our young guys can learn from him stuff is a mute point. Our young guys got to learn from one of the hardest working WR's of all time in TO...say what you want about him, but he is still one of the most dedicated and hardest working guys out there on that proactice field and always working to further master his craft.
Now its time for these young guys to show us what they learned thus far out there on the field.
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Add me to the group who are underwhelmed by Henne.
If anything, I think that Sanchez may have some of the intangibles that great QBs need.
On the other hand, in all my years of watching Henne, he seems robotic and to lack any sort of presence.
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I actually thought it was great...its easy to see why the players love Ryan so much. This is just a great show regardless of the team. But Ryan is rather entertaining and I have to admit, I like the guy and his approach.
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WRONG! I wouldn't. Sorry.
Yeah but about 98% of the rest of this board would be on his nuts. Personally I like his bravado...he's a players type coach and that's why guys love playing for him
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None of us know how a rookie salary cap is going to be structured in the next labor contract. My point was simply that as it stands a high drafted OT prospect will get upper tier money, the same or more than an established player. The Eagles have their anchor LT, the most critical position on the OL. The Bills are currently inadequately staffed at that position. Good teams find a way to get better; mediocre teams find a way to stay mediocre.
The Bills are where they are because of the way they conduct business. The Eagles are where they are because of the way they conduct business.
People are still living on his performance a couple years ago. He is grossly overpaid based on his last 2 seasons where he has given up a lot of sacks. In fact he has only had ONE season worthy of the contract he got in his entire career so far. Not to mention his lazy ass kept coming in out of shape once he got paid on his first contract renegotiation and even made mention of that.
Truth is that if we had paid him what he demanded (which was more than he got from Philly as he clearly wanted out of buffalo IMO) then people on this board would still be bashing our team and FO for over paying him. Especially after that season he had last year.
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Just because you say Fitzpatrick is horrible, doesn't make him horrible. The truth is we were able to win games with him in there last year. He has intangibles like intelligence & leadership that you're totally ignoring. The coaches who see him every day and are around him about 12/6 know a lot more than anyone here. He is exactly what every team wants in their second string QB-an intelligent player who can win you games when your 1st stringer is out. He may not look pretty to you out there, but he gets the job done. If he was waived, he would be with another team within 24 hours.
Um, you saying he is not horrible doesnt make him not horrible either, so whats the point of that statement? You claimng he is this or that doesnt change the fact that he is wilidly inaccurate at times and very inconsistent. It doesnt change the fact that he wasnt statistically very good here or in Cincy.
As far as your claim about him being on a team within 24 hours, that is a pipe dream. For someone who just told that other poster they must not know how NFL teams are put together, you sure are way off on this boast. If he gets cut, its not likely happening until late in the preseason once the staff has had some in game play to aid in evaluatling these QB's.
At the time he is cut, teams will already have their back up QB's in place and the bulk of their roster set. He is not going to be seen as a major upgrade over many teams backups and he definitely is not going to be seen as a guy they can groom to be a full time starter. So, they are not going to cut needed players at another position to bring in a backup QB who does NOT know their system just before the season starts.
Fitz will start getting some interest once injuries start happening, but there is no way there is a demand for him like you are trying to say there will be just before the preseason starts. Heck, he wasnt even signed that fast when he was a FA in the offseason and could come in and learn the system before camp.
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There's no way we're going into the season with 2 QBs, one who has never done anything in the NFL & a 3rd QB on the practice squad. Obviously the OP has a strong anti-Fitzpatrick bias that has tainted any logical conclusion as to the QBs we will keep.
Fitzpatrick is a virtual lock to make the team. Gailey is not going into the season without a veteran backup as the 2nd stringer, especially with Edwards' injury history. The scenario as posted would put Brohm as #1 & Levi Brown elevated from the PS as #2 if Edwards went down. That's ridiculous. Gailey would never put himself in the position of the totally unproven Brohm being backed up by the 7th round rookie. He has to be aware that Edwards is odds on to get injured at some point.
More logical scenarios:
Edwards, Fitzpatrick, Brohm or Brown with Brown on the PS if it's Brohm & Brohm in the UFL if it's Brown.
Say Edwards gets hurt in preseason: Then it would be Fitzpatrick or Brohm with the loser as #2, Brown #3.
I cannot think of 1 scenario that doesn't have Fitzpatrick 1 or 2, unless he gets a serious injury in preseason.
Sorry, but anyone who thinks Fitzpatrick is gone who doesn't plan on him being replaced with a veteran backup doesn't understand how NFL rosters are put together. You have your starter. If he's fully entrenched and has shown durability, then you can go with one backup, who can be an unproven guy. Otherwise you have 2 backups. In an unsettled situation as the Bills have, you always keep 3 QBs. One of them, either the starter or #2 is a veteran. If Fitzpatrick goes, a QB with NFL starting experience, like Thigpen will replace him. Odds: slim & none that Fitzpatrick isn't there on opening day.
I dont understand how you can say he is a lock to make this team. He has had easily the worse camp of all 3 QB's, was not very good last year when he played, and has the highest price tag. How does that equal a lock? I dont want to hear about how he led us to some wins last year, he still was not very good in most of those games. Yes, the team rallied more around him than Trent and he showed more moxy, but that doesnt change that he didnt play very well and was incredibly inaccurate at times.
More importantly, last year is last year and Chan has said consistently he doesnt care about what they did in the past. This is a new regime and the performance he is putting up in camp is not one of someone who is a "lock" to make this team. And in all honesty, unless he starts stepping his game up in practice and the preseason, then I think he is the one in the most danger of not making this team.
Many backup QB's are unproven and have very little if any starts under their belts. So its quite reasonable to think that Brohm could easily end up the sole acive QB behind Trent assumingTrent can hold onto the starting job. You dont even have to look outside our division to see this...NE did that with Brady backing up Bledsoe and Cassel backing up Brady (and Cassel had not started a single game since he was in High School).
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Can you guys give me some suggestions? A lot of the magazines on the racks are regergitated crap from drafts and mini camps. I'd like something as current as possible.
Thanks,
Rick
ONLINE sources...
The magazines on the shelf are mostly ones that were put out right after the draft and because of that dont have much value other than to have some cheat sheets to look over while doing your draft...but again, you can get those online and for free.
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If he plays for the Pats I am for first person hoping he gets chopped blocked and can't walk for years. I have no love for people that say and do different things let him learn to walk again and see how he feeling about playing for the Pats
How would playing for the Pats go against what he has said? He has peviously said he wants to play for a contender.
Saying he doesnt want to have to move his family is not the same the thing as saying he never would. He never said that he wouldnt do it if the right opportunity came along. His issue has been family which is why he was UNDECIDED if he wanted to play. He never once officially retired over the fact he didnt want to move his family.
There was no trade market for him because of the uncertainty of his desire to play with regards to having to move his family, his public comments about losing a step and not being a hard worker in practice and training, his statement that even he plays this year that it will be his last, along with the his huge price tag.
There was never a dispute that he wouldnt have value to a team if he suited up, but no one was going to give us anything for him. But now that they dont have to and can negotiate a fair salary, teams are expressing interest. It was the right move for our team, the right move for a long time good player of this franchise, and now his decision looks like it will include more than just Houston as an option.
Also, not one report has shown AS to have any interest in any team other than Hou...so the fact Sea and NE are interested in him does not mean he is interested in them. Although he would be a fool not to consider NE if he really wants a shot at a ring this year.
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per rotoworld:
Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly (hamstring) are both listed as third-stringers on the depth chart released by the Redskins Monday.
Thomas is behind Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams at split end while Kelly -- still sitting out with a hamstring injury -- is behind Santana Moss and Anthony Armstrong at flanker. Thomas entered camp third on the depth chart, but it was thought that his talent would at least move him up with the second-stringers. Moss is the only 'Skins receiver worth drafting at this point.
I actually think Devin Thomas will eventually emerge to get playing time this year. He has shown flashes on the field, and with McNabb throwing the ball now I think he will get more opportunity to develop. Kelly I have doubts will even make the final roster.
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He lost me when I noticed he had Det, Jax, Buffalo, Carolina, etc all ranked higher than the Skins who he ranked at 25. Im sorry, but the Skins should be somewhere in the teens, not 25th. Especially since they added Shannahan and McNabb.
For example, Carolina has no established QB, poor recieving weapons outside of Smith, and lost its best playmaker on D and added nothing really this offseason yet he has them ranked 6 spots higher at 19.
As far as the Bills go, I dont necessairly think we should be ranked as low as most outlets out there, but honestly, until we go out and show we can actually score some offensive points I dont think our ranking should be any higher than about 25.
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"Bradford said his surgically repaired right shoulder hasn't bothered him at camp. He said he was very happy with his accuracy in camp. Quarterbacks in the NFL need lots of traits to succeed, but none is more important than that last one -- accuracy. At the base of it all, that's why Tom Brady and Drew Brees and Peyton Manning have succeeded. And it's why JaMarcus Russell, Cade McNown and Kyle Boller didn't."
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...l#ixzz0w7KDLziK
I hear this all of the time, whether its from NFL people or the high-end NFL media. Assuming that is true - or, rather, that most people of consequence in the league believe it to be true - it would explain the continuing hope that Edwards will pan out.
You are correct...A lot of the continued optimism for Trent has stemmed from him being so "accurate". The problem is Trent is not nearly as accurate as they want to believe, at least not in the past.
What they fail to realize is that his ocmpletion % is only as high as it is because of the high number of dump offs, screens, and other short passes he has thrown. His actual down field accuracy has been poor, in fact, even on a lot of completed passes the ball was inaccurately thrown causing the WR to have to go high/low to catch it, stop his route, or break off his route.
This is why for someone like him who is allegedly so accurate struggles big time to actually move the chains, pick up first downs or score points...its because he gets anywhere from 5 to 15 completions a game that are behind the LOS, at the LOS, or under 5 yards in front of the LOS...if you reduced the number of those to a typical amount, his completion % would be in the mid 50's easily or maybe worse.
I really do hope this changes this year, but camp reports havent been the most encouraging as he seems to still struggle with his accuracy. Its still early though and there have apparently been days where he has shown promise, so lets hope he can find a way to find some consistency.
It doesn't matter !!!!!!
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Thats what I have been saying too! This guy waits until the WR is open, which in the NFL means he is no longer open!