Alphadawg7
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Seriously, Spiller is just sick in those videos...I dont even remember the topic of this thread
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Can't believe the lack of respect for the Bills this year. This is not the first post suggesting that...but this article is just icing on the cake.
Ok, serious question... WHO CARES?
What is with this board always getting their panties in a wad everytime some media outlet believes we are not very good? Seriously, there are multiple threads DAILY started on how this guy said this or that. What "respect" do you think we should have or deserve? You people act like any of these people closely follow this team as closely as we do.
Here is what the media knows as facts:
1. We hired a coach that shocked many people who was fired from his last job as OC days before the season began just last year
2. We have the same starting QB we had last year when he was awful
3. We added no significant players to a bad O Line
4. We lost a HOF WR and replaced him with guys who barely have seen the field
5. We lost our best shot at a playmaking TE for the first 4 games due to suspension
6. We drafted a RB #9 overall when we had a potent run game already
7. We are switching to a 3-4
8. We are installing our 3rd offenisve scheme in 3 years
9. 2 key starting OL guys are coming off major injuries
10. And werent very good last year and always seem to lose a lot of our key players to major injuries...
Seriously, how can anyone expect the media, who really only sees what I just wrote above, to think this team is going to be any good this year? And more importantly, why the hell do any of you care? WINS will shut them up...until then, they have a point.
Personally, I dont see it like it is above, I like the direction of this team and what Chan has done thus far. I see potential in this team this year and I really like the Chan hiring now...and I am optimistic IF, and thats a big IF, we can get solid QB play. But, at the same time, I dont expect anyone else that doesnt follow training camp reports daily, practice notes, etc to see that given the above information.
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73.8, 69.7 and 43.2 (last season's ratings) might be what awful is referring to. With that said, I think the numbers will go up under Gailey.
43.2 It's not love for Troy Smith as much as that number. Brohm followed that up with 82.4, 39.6 and 34.9 this preseason. Then again, this might be what awful refers to.
Come one man, those numbers on Brohm are bogus. In the second game he attempted one pass...so throw that QB rating out, and in his 3rd appearance his QB rating rests on the shoulder of his failed teammates who dropped several right on the money passes and that crap TE who caused the INT...the rating is no where near close to his level of play that game. Not saying he was the second coming of Manning or Brady, but that rating was greatly affected by the many mistakes by the guys he was throwing to running wrong routes, dropping passes, and that crap TE that was cut causing an INT.
Troy Smith is a long way away from being an NFL QB right now, hence why he doesnt have a team.
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Cutler has never been an elite QB. Even when he was in Denver, his numbers were related more to the talent on offense, and the sheer number of passing attempts.
If it was all about the weapons, then why didnt Orton put up the same numbers while throwing to the same weapons? What about Royal? He had 91 catches as a rookie catching passes from Cutler and vanished with Orton at the helm?
Cutler definitely needs work to be a succesful QB in this league, mainly in decision making. But to attribute all his succes in Denver to his weapons is illogical, especially since it was Cutler who has to deliver the ball to those weapons. People act like the "weapons" around him had some magical gravitational pull that just magically brought the ball to them. Cutler had to drop back, see the open guy, and throw an accurate pass for them to be able to catch it.
Not to mention, Cutler carried that team as the defense couldnt stop a High School offense when he was there. He kept games close by putting points on the board as the defense just kept giving points up. Heck, the Denver defense even made one of the most pathetic offenses that year look good, the Buffalo Bills.
I am not saying good weapons around a QB dont help a QB succeed, what I am saying is that even with great weapons a QB still has to EXECUTE and make the play happen. A great OL can make an average RB look great because anyone, even my grandmother, can run in a straight line through a hole with no defenders in it. But a QB still has to drop back, see the field, time the throw, and make an accurate pass while avoiding the pass rush.
And truthfully, how do you know that the weapons were that "good" and it wasnt Cutler who made them better? Scheffler and Royal were no where near the same players with Orton under center than Cutler under center. So maybe it was Cutler who made them better and not the other way around...
And this isnt to defend Cutler, as its clear and always has been, that he needs to improve his decision making before he can be a very good QB. However, I still see him as a talented QB with a lot of upside if he can work on his decision making.
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I just cant figure out what people are thinking that say this kid, Brohm, is a scrub or not a potential contributor. He lit up college in a highly competitive league (Big East, West Virginia was a top 5 team (U of L busted them), Pitt was top 5 to 10 (Brohm and U of L busted them), and I think Rutgers (U of L had every shot to win, but lost this one) cracked the top 10). He man handled wake forest in the Orange bowl, was Orange bowl MVP and set a passing yards record in the Orange bowl. He was one very close game (Rutgers) shy of an undefeated season and a chance at a national title, he was in the top 2 to 5 in the nation in every positive statistical catagory for a quarterback as a sophmore,Junior and Senior. AND, he didnt have a bad senior year. He had a great statistical senior year..........his defense just sucked, thus his team sucked (6-6). He put up great numbers in spite of being on the field far less. What are you people hoping for in the draft ("Jim Kelly isnt walking in that door", ok, sorry, couldnt pass that one up). I think he made a big mistake by not going the draft in his junior year, and watching the draft and his sliding into the 2nd round after being projected as the possible top pick the year before, you could see the confidence slipping out of him. And I think that confidence kept slipping away in Green Bay. And, for a kid that never had confidence issues (cover of sports illustrated in high school), I would say it was hard for him to find his stride. BUT, I think he is finding it now, and if he is, he might come back better than ever as a result. Whether or not many of you want to admit it,confidence is a huge factor in NFL success and failure (especially at the QB position) or for any professional athelete AND, it can be lost and never found again. Just look at how your other 2 QB's have performed this year compared to years past. This is a coach that knows how important confidence is to the QB....and one that has built it up in all 3 of his QB's. Case in point: what he did to some fans heckling Edwards a few weeks ago? That was huge and right in line with a lot of other things this man does to build confidence in his players. Buffalo has the right coach.
Great post!
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Sweet I have flacco in one of my fantasy leagues
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I'll admit it. This thread is a bit negative but I think it's necessary.
The lack of accountability that people have for their stated positions and their crusades is truly amazing.
Recall the clamor and hysteria of some of the posters here as we got closer to cut down day. The din was deafening. At one time two weeks ago, we had 5 different threads about the quarterback situation on page one alone.
Lots of our members were just totally adamant AND VOCAL about what they thought was going to happen/what they wanted to have happen to the Bills roster (the two often get confused in some people's minds).
Those same people are conspicuous by their silence now…especially on matters such as which quarterbacks would made the roster.
So who said what and where are those people now?
I remember more than a few guarantees that Kawika Mitchell was going to get cut. Ditto for Chris Kelsay.
Where are all those folks who were positive that Levi Brown was gonna be kept as the third quarterback and not waived?
Where are all the Brian Brohm haters? The Fitzy haters?
Now's the time to confess to the error of your ways. The truth will liberate you!
Man up and be accountable for your opinions.
Or quietly close out of this thread and pretend you didn't read it.
Lets look at the list...
I never once thought Kelsay or Mitchell would get cut
I never once thought Levi would be on the active roster
I definitely wasnt a Brian Brohm hater and I wasnt a Fitz hater, more of a Fitz realist...saw him as a good backup but not so good full time starter.
So, going down the checklist, I dont seem to have anything to confess on this list as I was pretty much on the right side of fence on these...
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I kinda trust Chan's judgment of qbs, and if Brohm was not good enough to beat out Trent or Fitzpatrick, he can not be that good of a qb. Let's go get Troy Smith and put him on the roster. Chan's offensive mind might do wonders with a mobile guy like Troy.
First off...the QB depth chart doesnt always indicate the viewed potential of a player by the FO on any team. It indicates who they feel is the most ready to be in the game at this moment. Clearly, the staff thinks enough about Brohms potential to keep a third QB on the active roster, especially considering how few OL guys we kept. Just because he still lists Brohm as #3 does not mean they dont see a future for him. Chan has continually said some pretty good things about the kid on top of that and that he needs to just work on continual accuracy which comes with reps and time with his recievers.
This kid looked promising almost every time he was out there this PS while playing with scrubs who did him no favors. Of course, the madden playing posters here are going to look at his madden rating and his stat line and declare him a bust rather than look at the game footage of him and see the kids potential.
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A second next year and a third in 2012. Not bad. His salary demands are a drawback. But imagine a lineup with Evans, Jackson, Roscoe, Jackson, Spiller. Thats ridiculous!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-jacksonvikings090110
This is guy is over rated based on his contract demands. He does not have the resume worthy of the contract he is demanding. He is not Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson. He hasnt been consistent with high production over his career. Yes, he has had some good seasons, but the guy wants a rediculous contract. Proof in the pudding is that all the teams who inquired about trading for him immediately withdrew from talks as soon as they heard his contract demands.
More importantly, we would not get the production out of him that his contract would imply based on how this team is built.
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He wasn't cut because of TO...they signed TO because they knew they were going to cut him because he was struggling with injuries...in other words TO was his replacement. There was talk of him maybe not making the rosters weeks before TO ever signed there, this was expected and known for a while now, they just finally made it official.
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"CJ Dippa" LMAO if you know that reference...
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Bob
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He was talking about were jackson would be traded and he said this for the bills
"Buffalo: The Bills need a playmaker and sending Jackson to a weak team would teach Jackson a lesson. "
Just a comparison to a probably worse team
"St. Louis: Jackson would be a very nice welcome gift for Sam Bradford."
Come on what the !@#$ is going on with analysts this year. Do they really hate the bills?
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/16212/where-vincent-jackson-could-end-up
Why does anyone care or expect any different based on the product we have put out there the last couple of years?
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How does CJ Spiller not enter this season as the starting running back? He was the 9th pick in the draft, he's a match-up nightmare for defenses, he's better than expected between the tackles. He should be starting games and Jackson/Lynch should be coming in later to pound it home. Don't get me wrong, the load should be divided, but don't we want the ball in this guy's hands as much as possible?
I'm very interested to see what Gailey does when he has the three back healthy. He's going to have some crazy formations!
Well, there is a lot more to playing as a starting RB in this league than just your ability to run the ball. He has to be able to pass protect to in order to be an every down back. I have no idea where he is at in his development in terms of pass protection, or even how it compares to FJ or Lynch in that area, but for him to see the bulk of the reps he is going to need to be competent at the least in that area.
That being said, if he can due his part in pass protection and puts up 300 combined yards or so and a couple of TDs in the first 2 weeks, its going to be really hard not giving him the most touches of our RB's.
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Bye bye Brian. Good luck in the UFL.
Seriously, can this thread being any stupider? Just because Trent has one good preseason game does not change Brohms potential...it literally has absoulutely no relevance on any level to Brohms potential. If he had come out and stunk it up, then you could have a leg to stand on. But they gave Fitz the go ahead in this game as they will likely give Brohm the go ahead in the next game for the battle for the backup spot. If Brohm struggles next week, then maybe...but right now, Chan has said nothing but good things about him and he is still competing for the 2nd string job.
But, you and a few other posters whos girls were knocked up by Brohm just cant help yourselves. The kid still has potential and is still battling for the second string job until Chan says otherwise. And there is still a good possibility we will keep all 3 guys.
PS: One preseason game doesnt all of a sudden salvage Trents career. He still needs to do it when it counts and also try and have his first season since High School of being injury free. Its great to see Trent have success, but this game means nothing come week 1.
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Add in that guys like McCoy and LeFevour are in danger of being cut in their first preseason and this draft class is not exactly off to a good impression.
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Personally, I find Rex Ryan to be hilarious and highly likable. Who knows how it will translate to the field.
Totally agree...I actually really like Rex Ryan and if he was our coach this board would be quoting him and drooling all over this guy. Hes a Jet though, so I get the hate on here...but I like him.
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Stupid question here...how exactly does the "hot topic" feature work? Wasnt aware this feature even existed...
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Ok but we can play the what if games all day long. Long passes are passes. He made the play. Does it help his stats....yes...but he made the play.
What "what if" game? There is no what if...his QB rating for the preseason is 75...not very good. In close to a full game of play combined he has 150 yards 1 TD and 1 INT...how is that much different than what we have seen from him in the past? And almost half those yards were on 1 play with blown coverage by a safety. Outside of the one play he has a QB rating in the forties...that's not what if, that's fact.
Even worse are how few first downs our starters have generated...
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Spiller and Roscoe are going to make us better because Chan will figure out how to exploit teams that crowd the line of scrimmage. That bomb to Evans was a great example. We don't have to throw 20-30 yards. All we need to do is get the ball to Spiller or Parrish in open space. Teams will have to adjust to our attack, which will take pressure off Edwards (or whoever) because they will not be able to put 9 in the box without getting burned. I'm very excited to see some of the real Bills offense under Gailey.
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I totally agree with everything you just said...for it to work though we need one of our QB's be able to step up and be solid in executing Chans offense. They will need to throw crisp, decisive, quick passes...and right now, Trent seems to be the front runner and I dont have a lot of faith he can execute that consistently.
You did mention that long pass which has been a hop topic around here. Thats the problem I am having in fully buying in right now, as I dont see that long pass as a thing to come as much as it was a relatively easy throw to a wide open WR on broken coverage. Somehow that one pass has made some people forget the rest of his preseason and I just dont get it.
This is Trents performance the entire preseason...not exactly exciting.
11 of 20 (55%) for 151 yards (7.55 yds/att), 1 TD, 1 INT = QB rating of 75.2
Now look at what happens if you take out the one bomb:
10 of 19 (52%) for 81 yards (4.26 yds/att), 0 TDs, 1 Int = QB rating of 41.78
Sadly, he should have had another INT which would have been a pick 6 if the DB didnt drop it on the 2nd series of the Indy game. His QB rating would be 56.45 on the preseason if the DB doesnt drop it...doesnt exactly build a lot of confidence for me.
So while the one bomb was a great throw, the reality is he hasnt been very good as a whole this preseason and that concerns me a lot more than the one bomb has given me hope. For me, beyond the stats, he just hasnt looked very poised, decisive or confident much this preseason either. He has made a couple of nice throws but also made a lot of bad ones and bad decisions.
The good news is that Chan has good history with QBs, so I hope he can mold one of ours to be effective in his offense. If he does, this offense could be dangerous, but only if he can turn Trent around or develop Brohm.
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Never say never. How bad were we last year and the year before that, and we still won 6-7 games? The playoffs are not that far out of reach.
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Yeah, but the issue then is the same now...who is going to throw the ball? Until Chan turns one of our QB's into at least a solid starter we will not make the playoffs. That being said, I bought into what Chan is doing and bringing to the table too. I really like the direction this team is going and I feel like that what ever happens this season it will be a step in the right direction, especially in really getting a our younger guys out there.
If one of our QBs starts to really develop under Chan into a solid QB then we may surprise some folks this year.
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Well said. A guy like Clausen looked better because there was a ton of crap. The top guy didn't play all season and got a serious shoulder injury in one of the few tiems he got hit in college. The 2nd QB off the board is learning how to throw a football again. The rest were passed on every team in the league, sometimes multiple times.
I love next year's draft. Locker, possibly Luck, Ponder, Pryor (I think he has a big year), and Mallett could be a very special group. I like all over those guys over any QB in this draft (though I won't have hated Bradford or Tebow - love the guy as a leader).
Agree with everything but the Tebow part. I get the whole "leader" part, but thats what the coach is for, to be the leader. Of course my QB ideally is also a leader on the field, but leadership doesnt make up for poor mechanics, and his mechanics still look bad to me. I just dont think he will be a very good QB, and he wont seem nearly as good of a runner in the NFL as he was in college as the defesnses are much faster here. So while leadership is a great quality, his ability as a QB just isnt strong enough for me at this stage to be comfortable with him as a future starter.
Of course, thats just my opinnion, and obviously Denver saw enough in him to move up in the first for him...I mean he may end up putting it all together at this level, but he sure seems to need a lot of work on his mechanics to be able to do that.
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Found this story online browsing around some football news...
The Cleveland Plain Dealer lists rookie Colt McCoy as one player in need of a strong showing over the final two games to make the Browns' roster.
It's exceedingly rare for an NFL team to give up on a third-round pick after one preseason, and it's hard to imagine McCoy passing through waivers. Still, McCoy has been dreadful in exhibition action (5-of-12 for 25 yards, two interceptions) and camp scrimmages while Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace have shined.
No, I dont want us to pick him up if he is put on waivers, I dont think he would make it in Buffalo. LeFevour is in danger of being cut in Chi too...this all just further illustrates how underwhelming this past QB class was and how it makes more sense to see what our guys can do this year and look at a QB next year if they falter.
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I think Roscoe, like Lee, has been a prisoner of this offense and bad QB play the last few years. The one of the things I like about Chan is that he is intent in getting the ball into our playmakers hands. I will reserve some excitement until I can see a QB behind center who can execute come game day. I dont care how many offensive weapons we put on the field, if we don't get one of these QB's to be able to step up and produce on Sunday we still wont score many points.
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What about Cornelious Ingram? Someone told he was was a FA...
What is with all of this love for Troy Smith?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by Alphadawg7
I cant believe I am about to defend Trent here, but here goes as he earned it the last few weeks (still need to see him do it in the regular season though before I start having confidence in him)...that rating you just pointed out is an easy cop out for you to make a lame point...you are comparing Charlie Batch to the collective QB play of a team in preseason, including a guy who was cut where most of the guys out there were playing with scrubs, many of which are no longer even on this team.
Our starters QB rating (the ONLY rating that currently matters) was as follows:
Was 29.2 in his first outing in a long time and the first in a brand new offense...the whole team blew this game, especially Trent
Indy 142.2 - This outing wasnt as good as rating suggests IMO, but still a much better showing than Skins game
Cin 122.9 - Looked even better and more comfortable
Det 118.8 - 100% completion in this game
Overall, his QB his preseason totals were: 29-41 = 70.7%, 370 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT and a QB rating of 104.73...So, tell me how does that compare to Charlie Batches career rating?