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Sure you can. That ball was thrown on a rope 45 yards. Half the guys in the NFL do not make that play and hanging it up like JP used to would have allowed the defense time to react. That was a beautiful throw.
Again, please show me just one NFL QB who cant thorw that 40 to 45 yard pass...all I want is one. I mean the weakest arm in the game by popular vote is Chad Pennington and he has made that throw many times, even after several surgeries to his throwing arm.
And unless you threw it so high it resembled a punt, no DB was going to get there as no one was remotely close to being able to make a play on that ball.
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Yeah let's ignore all that arm tackling especially that safety. That wouldn't support you incorrect position. Also, that pass was more than 45 yards in the air, and no most QB's don't complete that.
I think it was more like 40, but that doesnt matter...Please show me one QB on any NFL roster that cant throw a ball 45 yards...Chad Pennington who is said to have the weakest arm in football can easily throw it 45 yards...
Heck, I can throw the ball 45 yards with no problem, how can an NFL QB not make that throw?
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There's been an increased awareness of head injuries in the league over the past few years. Concussions come easier every time after your first. Trent has had two that we know of and that makes him (more so than others) susceptible to being one good hit away from being out of the league. That was a pretty serious hit. His head hit the ground hard and he appeared to be dazed and slow to get up. I was actually surprised that he wasn't kept out of the game. So whether it was a good decision medically, I give Trent credit for showing some toughness for coming back and having a good night when a lot of people were calling for his head.
The Indy game alone was just a step in the right direction however. He needs to show that he can overcome his flaws and perform well consistently.
I see your point, so out of fairness, I went back to watch the play again. I mean having played LB I am probably a little biased on what is considered a big hit, so I watched it a couple of times just now.
I still feel like the hit itself was not really big hit, more of a moderate shot, but I do see your point about his head hitting the turf and that it was hard enough to be a concern for someone with previous concussion issues. That being said, how can we count on a QB who can barely take that hit? This is the NFL and he will get hit harder than that, especially with this O Line trying gel, so how is he ever going to last as a QB if every decent hit can potentially knock him out of the game?
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I like how they say if you take that play away he sucked. Well if you take Spillers TD run away he sucked too. He would have been 9-23. Let's cut Spiller. If he doesn't have a big play he blows. Brohm was great though. 5 yards per pass. Woohoo.
lol...BIG difference...Spiller play was an amzing and skillful play that not every RB in the NFL could have made. Trents pass was a ball (that he himself said he just chucked the ball hoping Lee could get to it) that any QB from high school to the NFL could have made. It was a 40 yard pass to a WR wide open downfiled because of blown coverage by the safety with no pressure on the QB.
The two plays are not even close to the same level in terms of difficulty...it was also Spillers first NFL action ever.
Granted, it was a great throw, but it was also as easy as it gets. Why do things need to be perfect for Trent to make a play? We arent going to get that kind of blown coverage but a few times a year, so what about the rest of the time?
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So what did you think of his play last night? Let me guess. "If you take out this play, or that play, he sucked."
This is my new favorite type of TBD "analysis"His play last night was not that impressive to me. Was it his worst outing, of course not. But his game didnt exactly convince me that much has changed either. Watch the game rather than look at the stats. You take away the one long play to a wide open Lee and what exactly did he do that would really change someones mind about him as our starter?
For example, lets start with his second series...he went 3 and out. More telling was that he threw what should have been an INT to Lee who was not remotely open but it was dropped by the DB. Worse is that Trent chose to throw to Lee despite having someone wide open in between where Trent was and where he threw to Lee. So again, he demonstrated poor decision making and poor field vision.
Outside of the throw to Evans which was about as easy as it gets, what else really stands out? He still looked shaky and sometimes panicky in the pocket. So rather than mock those who arent convinced over one play, why dont you provide us with something he did OTHER than that easy throw to a wide open Lee Evans. Trent even said he just chucked it up hoping Lee could get to it...it was not that difficult of a pass.
And for those talking about him getting up after that hit...are you serious? It wasnt even that bad of a hit and it took him a bit to get up from it, but even so, who cares. Its the NFL, big hits happen all the time and these PROFESSIONALS get up after those hits and get back out there. How sad is it that we have to get excited about our fragile QB being able to come back out after taking a modest hit?
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I think it was Steve Tasker last night that said the current QB competition is for #2 between Fitz & Brohm..and that the loser of that competition would more than likely get cut
That is just his interpretation of it, Chan insists its an open competition for the #1 as well...People have to stop reading so much into outsiders observations and start listenting to the teams stance...
Trent has not been named the #1 QB yet...Fitz or Brohm still could be chosen, and until Chan says otherwise we wont know who is starting week 1.
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Everyone here is pulling for brohm a lot recently it seems after last night. You would of thought he threw 4tds and 300 yards last night by this board. In actuallity, he did a little more than nothing. 14/21 for what, 125 yards against second string? Fitz played better the first game. In fact, do we realize he didnt play AT ALL in the first preseason game? Because why? Because Trent/Fitz outplayed him to that point. Hes third on the depth chart.
What last night makes him second or first on the depth chart? Fitz and trent have thrown tds, he hasn't. In fact he hasn't thrown one his whole career.
He even got into camp before trent at fitz during rookie camp, and theyre still ahead of him.
Wake up and smell the coffee, his only chance is the #2. At best. Trent is a better quarterback.
But all in all, Go Bills
LMAO...if you are going to rant, at least understand what you are ranting about. Chan said he is going with 2 QB's a game to get them extended time and the chance to get with the flow of the game. Game 1 was Trent then Fitz, Game 2 was Trent then Brohm.
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People pick sides and then they care more about being right than the team. If Trent or Maybin got cut tomorrow half of the board would be thrilled regardless of the effects on the team. They would be able to post that they are right!
Your post is the typical defense that posters say who have run out of excuses to justify bad play...
Personally, I dont think Trent is good enough...but I really do hope he proves me wrong as its nothing personal on him, just his play I cant stand. I would like nothing more than him or one of the other QB's to step up and be a good NFL QB...I just have very little faith at all in Trent to be able to do that. His tendency to fold the tent in adversity are things that normally dont change once they show their face in a players game...
His game reminds me of the old Jim Everett once he lost his nerve or Cougar in Top Gun...
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Trent Edwards has been villified on this board as Captain Check down, and haveing no emotion. He throws maybe the best pass of his NFL career after a beautiful play fake. 70 yards TD Lee Evans. Then wow he shows emotion and looks genuinely pumped, chest bumping and high fiveing his teammates. All after taking a hugh hit. Passer rating of well over 100. I guess there is nothing that will makes some people happy on this board.
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Get his bust ready for the HOF because he hit a WR who didnt have a defender within 10 yards of him...LMAO.
What else did he do that game? For starters, the second series should have been an INT but the CB dropped it when he threw to a completly blanketed Evans who wasnt remotely open. We of course went 3 and out as well.
One play, whether it is good or bad does not define a players ability. Every single QB in the NFL, and I mean everyone from the starter down to the guys on practice squads, could have made that throw to Lee. I 100% gurantee you I could have even completed that throw which was a 40 yard pass or so.
And as far as your emotion comments, that is actually just highlighting the problems with Trent. His mental game folds under adversity and he needs everything to go his way to play with confidence and show emotion out there. He needs things like Lee running wide open to take chances and make big plays.
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Great news! We need that ballhawk back there. He's our best defensive playmaker.
I love Byrd, he is a ball hawk, but I dont know that he has quite eclipsed McGee yet as our best playmaker. I was one of the few who loved the pick at the draft, and I still love the pick and think he could be special. That being said, he also still needs to work on his overall coverage skills to take it to another level and eclipse McGee IMHO...McGee doesnt get nearly enough credit for his talent, mainly because it gets lost in the defenses struggles.
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Welcome to the league Mr. Stupar...
I have a feeling that Stupar may not give up that starting spot very easily now that he will have it. He has impressed me and is easily the better blocker too. I still really like Nelsons potential as a recieving threat, but Stupar seems to be having an all around strong camp...
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i see you are in playa del rey. Is The Shack still open? I had some good times there.
Ah the shack! I actually live on the beach right behind The Shack...I had walked over and had a shack burger for lunch today...it's still going strong. They had their annual chili cook off last weekend
Edit: looks like my girl and I are gonna walk down and meet some friends for drinks...small world...
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I hate to say it, but the bad pass to Lee represents progress for Trent, IMO. Not the bad pass part, but the fact that he let it go before Lee was looking back. He made a bad decision, as Lee was really blanketed, but at least he gave it a shot.
Yeah I see your point...however he had a guy open between him and Lee and that gives me continued concerns of his field vision. I will say that the bomb to Lee at least did not have a ton of air on it which was encouraging.
I do agree too about that pass to Stevie
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Folks get so much of a thrill from the the long ball TD, myself included, anything else pales in comparison.
In truth though, If you take the long strike to Evans out of the equation, Brohm played just as good as TE,
The running game really has me tickled pink,
CJ Spiller has a nose for the endzone and he showed it tonight...
If you take away Trents bomb to Lee then Brohm out played him. That was a great pass to Lee from Trent but outside of that he was pretty ineffective and should have had a pick on that terrible pass to a blanketed Evans on the 2nd series but the DB dropped it. Other than that pass, Trent did not really do much else...wasn't a bad outing for Trent but he wasn't really impressive either than that one pass.
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That would be very telling - I believe the penultimate preseason game is typically when the regular-season offense is installed, yes?
Yeah, typically, however this QB competition isnt typical with 3 guys literally competing for the job. I would fully expect that regardless of how Trent and Brohm play tonight that the 3rd game will be used just like the first 2 to further evaluate the QB's.
That being said, I would also suspect that if Brohm or Trent start the 3rd preseason game then it will indicate that is the guy in the lead for the spot. If Fitz starts that 3rd game it could be just for evaluation purposes in this continuing rotation. But if Trent or Brohm do, then I think that is more of an indicator of who is leading this race.
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I'm just curious what makes Locker any better than Tim Tebow or Dan Lefevour? He's basically a right handed poor man's version of Tebow as far as I can see.
Take a look at these facts:
- Spread offense QB
- Relies on his legs rather than remaining in the pocket often
- 2,800 yards passing, 21 TDs, 11 Ints, and 388 yards rushing, 7 TDs
- 58% passer
- 5-7 record
Compare that to Tebow's junior year stats of 64% passing, 2,800 yards, 30 TDs, 4 Ints, 673 yards rushing, 12 TDs. And an 11-1 record to top that off.
So what gives? Why does everyone love Locker and despise Tebow? And why would he be better in the NFL than Ryan Mallett, who has all of the tools to run a pro style offense as a pocket passer?
I would suggest lets see what he can do this year as he isnt the #1 pick yet...just a contender for the #1 pick. But his mechanics are significantly better than Tebows and he has severly less talent around him too for starters.
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Its my monthly poker tournament tonight, so I have my DVR set to watch it when I get home...cant wait to see the game. Being realistic, I dont need to see Brohm light it up considering its his first in game action in his 3rd offense in 3 years playing with mostly 2nd and 3rd stringers likely. What I do want to see is the kid show some pocket awareness (lord knows whoever our QB is this year they are going to need it), ability to step up and deliver a strike, some touch on the ball, leadership, and the moxy to play this position.
He needs to have a solid showing to really start pushing Trent for the #1 spot though. If Trent struggles again, then a solid outing I think earns Brohm a starting spot in the 3rd preseason game.
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lol at anyone betting on preseason games
Funny thing is I know a couple of guys who bet heavy on football and they say that Preseason is an easy way to make some coin...
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I think the reason that most people don't like him, myself included, is that he has been annointed Sanchize by his coaches, teamates and the media.
The truth is that his rookie QB stats and ratings are actually worse than JaMarcus Russell's first as a starter.
Sanchild
Comp % 53.8
Y/A 6.7
TDs 12
INT 20
Rating 63.0
JaMarcus
Comp % 53.8
Y/A 6.6
TDs 13
INT 8
Rating 77.1
Here is to hoping that Sachype has a worse year two.
The difference though is that Sanchez showed glimpses on being a franchise guy where Russell never looked like a starter in this league. Not to mention Russell was just cashing checks and eating Krispy Kremes
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Just an observation from last night and a related one from last week...
Mark Sanchez appears to be the biggest douche on two feet. His QB coach (Mark Cavanaugh) was giving him a something of a pep talk and Sanchez couldn't even look at him while he was talking. He was rearranging the crap in his duffle bag and couldn't have paid less attention to his coach. Cavanaugh was telling him how to get past his mistakes...basically pick your head up, say f it, and move on. But the Sanchize couldn't be bothered with paying attention as he was dealing with the more important task of sorting his socks and orange tic tacs.
This comes on the heals of last weeks unconfortable mocking of Joe Namath. Namath was at a team meeting and was explaining to Mark how to hold your hands to recieve the snap to reduce fumbles. Mark again couldn't look at the man and was snickering under his breath. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Namath, this little punk couldn't give the man a few minutes of respect?
I'm sure Jets fans everywhere are so happy that Mark feels he knows all there is to know about being a star NFL QB. I shall rejoice every time this arrogant dope tosses a pick, gets sacked, and walks off the field with his heading hanging.
Wow, talk about a haterade interpretation of that scene. Clearly you want to find any thing you can to hate him, which is fine, but lets be a little more realistic about that sequence. Mark was not ignoring him to be a douche, he was clearly very frustrated with himself and his play at that moment and even referenced that he needs to stop sucking. It was at no point a show of disrespect to his coach. He was simply down on himself and the coach was trying to get through that and pick him up.
The kid clearly has shown to be a humble kid on this team while carry a huge weight on his shoulders as many believe that their SB bid hinges on his improvement. I love how people hate on him for posing for GQ too when there isnt a guy on this board tha would say no if GQ called and asked you to be in their magazine. He is a high profile athlete on a high profile team...magazines and companies are going to want him in their spreads and ads.
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Evans contract is quite affordable right now. This year he gets $5.4 mil, but 2011 and 2012 he gets $3.025 mil (each year). Quite reasonable for a guy with his talent.
Yup, and not to mention that the rediculous bashing of Evans on this board is not a reflection of how he is viewed across the league. If he was made available there would be a lot of of interest as he is considered a major talent who is suffering from atrocious QB play and a awful scheme the last few seasons.
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Your argument (on this narrow point at least) still makes no sense. Johnson beat the coverage, and apparently Edwards' pass did not allow the cornerback to catch up to him. Edwards still got the ball out there (in fact, TOO FAR out there) no matter how much "air he put under the ball."
Either he didn't put too much air under the ball or maybe putting too much air under the ball is not a problem.
The "he puts too much air under the ball" is, in other words, as BS argument. You'd be better off just saying Edwards doesn't see open receivers, or misses them when he does see them.
Frankly, all this QB back and forth on the board makes me ill. There' absolutely nothing to be said that hasn't been said three hundred times over.
All I'm hoping to see is that one of the QBs seizes the starting job clearly and unequivocally. I don't care which one, and I'm not prepared to say which it ought to be.
I hear what you are saying, but the fact remains Trent consistently puts too much air on the ball which allows the corner more time to make a play. Does that mean every throw with air on it is short or the DB will get to the ball? No. At the same time though, just because a ball has too much air on it does not mean it will always be short. You can still under throw, over throw, or hit a reciever in perfect stride on a pass with too much air on it, just depends on when you timed the throw and how hard you threw it.
Overall, putting that much air on a ball is a terrible way to pass in the NFL with the speed of defenses and will work against you more than it will work for you. Its also the hardest way to throw it accurately.
Either way, this is a silly point to be arguing as from what I gather we dont really have differing opinnions on Trents short comings.
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Excuses, excuses, excuses. NOBODY HIDES A PLAYER ONE YEAR REMOVED FROM THE 2ND ROUND OF THE NFL DRAFT ON A PRACTICE SQUAD BY WAIVING HIM 1st!!!!!! If Brohm had ANY potential someone would have picked the guy off of waivers, a few extra $ would not have stopped them if he had anything. By the end of preseason when CHAN GAILEY writes him off you'll realize how moronic your manlove for Brohm is.
I sure hope the Bills don't pick up Timmy Chang off some sandlot. His college stats will have the Brohm guys drooling.
The funny thing about your ranting posts are that you call all these people Brohm lovers, manlove for Brohm, etc as if anyone is making any claims to his greatness. You and a couple other brash posters are the only ones making any proclamations about the kid and saying he is a bust before he gets a chance to show it on the field.
The NFL has countless stories of players who started slow in the NFL and developed into good to great players, including the reigning SB MVP Drew Brees. Brohm as a rookie didnt adjust quick enough to the speed of the NFL...so what, he was a ROOKIE. By his 2nd season Flynn was entrenched as the backup (and your opinnion absoultely does not matter about Flynn as GB, who sees him first hand daily, is really high on him) and GB chose not to carry 3 QB's. They gambled by putting him on the PS and LOST as we claimed him. They tried to save it, but in the end he chose us because we represented opportunity as GB had Rodgers entrenched as the guy of the future.
Its pretty stupid to make your mind up about a player before he has even had a chance to go out and show what he can do. Maybe he ends up stinking it up and being a bust, maybe he excels...no one knows, but to claim one or the other now is pretty foolish. A slow start for a rookie QB is not at all an indicator of what he can do with some develoment.
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Aren't these things contradictory? He puts too much air under his deep passes so the DB catches up to the receiver, but he overthrew Johnson on a deep pass?
First, nobody is going to throw every single pass the exact same way. Second, you can still have a ton of air on a deep pass and still over throw a WR like he did Stevie...
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You must not have watched closely as I have the game on pause and the ball is in Lees hands with his front foot standing on the 29 yard line making it a 48 yard pass.
None of this matters, I never said it wasnt a good pass, it was a great pass, I just said that it wasnt a difficult pass given how open Lee was and how much time Trent had...he better make that pass. I said yesterday that he made a great pass, but even Trent said he just chucked it, so for me it wasnt that difficult of a pass to all of a sudden change my opinnion of his other many short comings.
I dont care if he can hit a WR wide open, I care if he can hit WR's who are open but in tighter coverage...I care if he can move in the pocket, not give up on plays, see the open guys, make good decisions, not fold under pressure, etc. And I didnt see anything the rest of the game to really make me think he has turned a corner, especially that second series which was awful.
Brohm showed potential, still needs more playing time to get his timing and rhythm, but he showed me enough to want to see what he can do with the starters.