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HoF QBs Warner is hands-down better than:
- Namath
- Bradshaw
- Griese
HoF QBs Warner is slightly better than:
- Kelly
- Moon
- Staubach
- Aikman
- Fouts
HoF QBs Warner is in the same general class as:
- Steve Young
- Joe Montana
- John Elway
- Dan Marino
As I mentioned in an earlier post, Warner has a higher career yards per attempt (7.9 vs. 7.5) a slightly higher career passer rating (93.7 vs. 92.3) and almost as many career passing yards (32,000 vs. 40,000) as Joe Montana. Warner's stats and career accomplishments clearly put him in the third (and best) category of Hall of Fame players.
Spot on...
- Namath
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The same line that trent an fitz played behind and both put up better numbers. Brohm was the 4th best Qb on the Gb packers. the fact that they stashed him on the practice squad after drafting in the 2nd round means he has some serious issues.
Oh come on man...you just showed you obviously dont know what you are talking about...one, its no where near the same line that Trent played behind, not even remotely close.
Second, Brohm was not the 4th QB in GB, he was the third and only a SECOND year player.
Third, he had literally 3 days to learn our system and build rapport with our offense.
Your comparison is so freaking biased and to top it off you clearly dont know anything about Brohm other than we got him from a practice squad.
Here is a little insight for you...GB only had room for 2 QB's given their needs at other positions and obviously Rodgers was QB1 and they loved Flynn and said they felt he was more ready to play if Rodgers went down during Brohms rookie year. By year two, he had no real shot of replacing Flynn who had a full year as the number 2, especially given how high GB is on Flynn. GB, (DESPITE having Rodgers entrenched and loving Flynn) still tried to keep him when we signed him away.
Trent Edwards hasnt done anything in the NFL...and guess what, he didnt do squat in Colleger either. Here is some more info on Trent: 1, just 1 measly 300 yard game since HIGH SCHOOL and that was his first year of college, none since in college or NFL. His Senior year at Stanford the won just ONE game...and guess what, he did NOT play in that win...he missed that game and it was the only game they won. Sound familiar? Kind of like this year...couldnt get a win with him, then Fitzy comes in and wins some games with an even worse team then Trent had because we had so many injuries.
So please just stop with this Trent garbage. He hasnt been good at any level since high school, he doesnt win games, he cant carry a team, doesnt throw down field, has accomplished nothing in college or NFL, has a marginal arm at best, is highly inaccurate downfield, floats balls way too high going deep, has terrible field vision, poor decision maker, makes the O line worse, checks down all the time, and doesnt have the temperment to lead this team. Not to mention none of his teammates or coaches have any confidence in him either.
The only sad success Trent excuse makers have to point out is our start last year...well news flash, he wasnt very good at all in 3 of our wins, and just ok in the other 2. We had to even make last minute comebacks against 3 of the worst teams in football, which Trent gets way too much credit for since it was plays by Mitchell, Lynch, and ST that made all of those comebacks possible. He gets so much credit that biased fans ignore his horrible play in the first 3 quarters of each of those games which is why we had to make comebacks to begin with.
My grandma has more upside as the QB of the bills than Trent at this point...Brohm has light years more upside than Trent too...
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Wrong, but keep playing:
Brohm, rating 43.2, 0 td's, 2 Int's, 2 sacks on 31 drops = 1 sack every 15.5
Fitzpatrick , rating 67.7, 21 td's, 27 int's, 68 sacks on 802 drops = 1 sack every 11.8
Edwards, rating 77.9, 24 td's, 25 int's, 58 sacks on, 58 sacks on 884 drop = 1 out of 15.25
Edwards is far and away the best QB on staff. he will be given a shot to start again. He will also be on staff even if he isn't the starter. Too cheap and as the best of three QB's on staff will not be the odd man out.
Really? Did you really just compare stats with Brohm even though he played one game in his whole career and it was behind a injury depleted O Line with less than 4 weeks to learn a new system and new playbook after having ZERO reps with any 1st or 2nd string offensive player leading up to that week? Then you use that as proof Trent is better? LMAO on the way people still manipulate stats to prove Trent to be better than he is...
He isnt any good and Brohm without a shadow of a doubt has light years more upside at this point compared to Trent...its not even a matter of opinnion, just facts that Trent has continuously proved on the field for 3 years
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well maybe, but when i look at things like poise in the pocket, reading the defense, a leader on the field, game awareness ... i dont see it in warner. what i see is a guy that had some success when he was on an offense with terrific WRs where he could just step back and put the ball up. a lot like an arena football style. when he had average WRs like NY, he got cut. he was frustated in the super bowl when he faced a smart D like New England.
WHAT? Man, what are you smoking?
Warner is great in the pocket, has incredible field vision as he disects the D regularly (see him vs GB's #2 D in the league this post season where he had more TD's-5 then incompletions-4) and is one of the most intelligent QB's in the league. He is also one of the most accurate QB's of all time. He didnt amass these totals by throwing jump balls...the fact you just said just shows you dont have a clue about this guy nor watch him play...I would just stop if I were you...
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trent dilfer won the super bowl, jim kelly didn't. do you take dilfer over kelly? brad johnson won a super bowl and had a long career with pretty good numbers. does he go into the hall too?
lmao, one of the worst arguments anyone could have possibly made...I mean you literally just compared a QB who had marginal stats in his best years to one of the most prolific passers of all time who led some of the greatest offenses of all time and went to 3 SB's, 2 MVP's, etc etc...
Warner is hands down a frist ballot HOF'er
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While most of the sportswriting world has already speculated that Kurt Warner's press conference, set for 3 p.m. ET Friday, will serve as his official retirement announcement, our own inside source informs me that Warner is definitely walking away. I've learned not to question his judgment.
Which begs the question of Warner's legacy, of course. If you'd asked me about his Hall of Fame chances a year ago, I would have hemmed and hawed before saying that yes, he "probably" had a good chance to get in "someday." (Okay, so I hedge my bets.) Looking back, I wonder what I was thinking, because the two-time MVP looks like a first-ballot lock.
Since The Associated Press started handing out Most Valuable Player honors in 1957, only six players have won the award more than once: Peyton Manning (4), Brett Favre (3), Jim Brown (3), Johnny Unitas (3), Joe Montana, Steve Young, and Warner. Brown, Unitas, Montana, and Young were each elected in their first year of eligibility. Manning and Favre certainly will be. Is there any valid reason to keep Warner out of that group?
If there is, let's hear it.
For me, this guy is a sure fire HOF player, first ballot. His track record speaks for itself. He turned, not one, but two perennial losing franchises into SB teams, including winning won. People talk about the low part for a couple years in the middle...well, he was injury stricken his last couple of years with the Rams, then didnt get a fair shot in NY as they pulled him despite having a good record to start rookie Eli. Then in AZ, they really wanted Leinart to be their guy as they just drafted him, so it took a little while to take that away from him and become the unquestioned starter.
To top it all off, this guy is one of the all time best Post Season QB's to boot.
To me, there is just no question he deserves to be a first ballot HOF selection. Add in his character and back story and this is just a no brainer IMO.
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My take on our 3 QB's
Edwards- Has shown flashes of being good, we were 5-1 at one point and eveyone loved him, now he has been abismal and everyone hates him. If we gave him another shot i would be ok with it. If we let him walk i would be ok with that as well
Fitzpatrick - Very inconsistent, Great one throw atrocious the next. Mobile, but IMO just an adequate backup.
Brohm - Aparently has potential and lots of it. The guy was on a practice squad behind day 2 picks. If he had this potential and was any sort of good dont you think other teams would have gone after him as well. I just dont see why everyone is high on him. Again if we give him a shot im ok with it, if we let him go ok with that as well
Reality check on the 5-1 by Trent...he was bad in 4 of those games and about average in the 2 other games.
And Brohm does have LOADS of upside.
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Whats the tally so far?
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I definitely agree. I have said this a couple times in the past few weeks. I think Trent Edwards could be just as good as Sanchez was this year. Considering the Jets were winning with him throwing 12-15 for 100 yards...Trent could easily do that with the right play calling, and a good o-line and a solid defense.
I would say Trent is better than Zweigle Sanchez.
Uh, when did we all of a sudden get the number 1 ranked defense in the NFL? Because that is the sole reason the Jets made it that deep with Sanchez playing up and down as a rookie QB this year. So unless you think we have a top 3 defense in this league, we are going to need more than a lame duck QB like Trent throwing up games that consistently look like 180 yards, 1TD, 1INT...
For the record, Sanchez is a significantly better QB than Trent. The Jets wouldnt have made the playoffs with Trent, let alone the AFC championshp game.
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McNabb is the most under appreciated player in the NFL...everything he has accomplished has been done with serious Sub Par WR's with the exception of the one year with T.O. and the emergence of DeSean the last year...seriously though, I wonder what DeSean would look like on another team...probably not nearly as productive. Look at what McNabb did for low level players like Donte Stalworth and the poor play they have had when they leave Philly or before Philly.
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The closer we get to the combine and draft, the more I sense momentum building amongst league personnel guys behind one Tim Tebow. I'm not even sure how this could be happening at this phase in the game because he hasn't done anything but train privately since the end of the season, so what gives?
I believe what's going on is that people have had time to step back and really digest his college career, which in turn is causing them to see the sum of his parts (leadership, maturity, unique physical tools, production, etc.) instead of regurgitating Brian Billick's arm-slot, slow-motion breakdown from the Sugar Bowl.
A strong Senior Bowl week, dozens of impressive one-on-one interviews, and the insane combine numbers this guy is inevitably going to put up will absolutely rocket the kid up some draft boards. Maybe not everyone's, but all it takes is one.
Now, let's focus on the Bills current situation: We've got an ancient, set-in-his-ways, old school owner. An ancient, good ol' boy GM, who as a scout, valued QBs with over-the-top competitive drives (Brees, Rivers) and was willing to think outside the box and draft players who didn't fit the "prototypical NFL QB" (Brees because of his height and even Rivers to a certain extent because he had a bit of an unorthodox release point coming out of college). When you throw in our good ol' boy, southern HC who believes supremely in his ability to develop QB talent, I think we are looking at a recipe for Tebow to the Bills.
Also, if you've watched ESPN today, I'm sure you've seen the numerous "Tebow updates." And that's just been for the Senior Bowl weigh-ins! He will obviously be a marketing department's dream no matter where he goes, but I think he would be particularly effective in a blue-collar region such as Western NY.
Just a hunch and my two cents.
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Physically/athletically I think that the guy has some special gifts, especially that Gailey is suppose to excel in developing young QBs but attitude wise Russell is another story. Him being rumored as an underacheiver with a indifferent work ethic sure takes away a lot of his redeeming athletic qualities. Big time QBs are hard to find and I'm wondering if the positives outweigh the negatives and if he can be motivated enough to progress in his young career.
This is a joke right? Dam you Ashton Kutcher...
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Not knocking this QB as I havent seen much of him, however, taking a QB in rounds 1 or 2 would be a mistake with Brohm on the roster. Brohm would be a first round QB this year and quite possibly the first QB taken if he were in the draft...he has only one game under his belt and yet he showed promise in it. He has a big arm, is incredibly smart and more importantly football smart, accurate and has 2 years now to asjust to the NFL over a rookie. Not to mention, we got him cheap...
So with all the holes on this team that are HUGE holes like OL, LB, and DL plus the terrible lack of depth on this team it makes no sense to use a high round pick on a QB when we already have a young QB with loads of potential. So, bring in a vet and let him and Brohm compete for the starting gig next year and use our high draft picks on OT, LB, DL, etc. If Brohm hasnt shown enough to be our guy by next year, then we look at QB in the draft if needed.
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I have never seen anything like it. Mike Williams instead of Bryant McKinnie. Losman, McCargo, Eric Flowers...etc. And then more recently they take Leodis McCelvin over Rogers-Cromartie (Pro Bowler) and Mike Jenkins who is becoming a star for the Cowboys. Figures the Bills have their choice of the three and pic the wrong one. Then last year, Aaron Maybin?!! LOL. I follow the draft very closely and always assume that the NFL people are there for a reason and know a whole lot more than me, but then they pull garbage like this year after year and makes me start to wonder. Maybin was the only one that was mentioned for the Bills that I knew would be a horrible pick. Leave it to the Bills to take him. No Michael Oher, who has been excellent for the Ravens and was at a position of dire need. Of course not. The draft failures in Buffalo are beyond ridiculous. Can't wait to see how they manage to screw it up this year.
My guess is you are a Madden player who just watches the first round...because if you watched more of the draft you would see that the Bills had probably the best draft in the NFL last year landing 2 good interior lineman, a finalist for ROY in Byrd, a very promising TE in Nelson, and even a potential starter like Nic Harris late. Not to mention, Maybin is FAR from being a bust yet, I mean he barely played this year and quite honestly still has potential at DE but has even more potential at LB...
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Maybin is not a DE. He simply never was. He is too weak and does not use leverage. I do not see how he will ever be able to rush the passer, and I dont even wanna talk about his play against the run. Therefore he cannot be a 4-3 DE if he cannot rush the passer. If this team goes to the 3-4, the only thing that will change is A) Maybin will now be listed as an OLB on the officail roster, and B) he will rush from a 2 point stance and not a 3 point stance. Now How exactly will either of those two things help him rush the passer? It wont as the LT will still be able to dominate him physically.
Basically I don't see Maybin as the pass rusher we were supposed to be getting when we drafted him. So what are our options?
In a 4-3 he is surely athletic enough to play Will. I am not sure he is stout enough to play Sam. Either way we need help at both positions. I think the sooner he is a 4-3 OLb the better - if that is the D we run next season.
3-4, I dont see him playing the Ware/Merriman/Harrison ROLB aka pass rusher role for reasons stated above. That doesn't mean he couldn't play inside or on the left side at OLB, where his pass rushing duties would be decreased. I think relying on him to play the pass rushing role, if we go 3-4 in 2010, would be a huge mistake.
Overall I think his best fit would be 4-3 OLB, most likely as a Will where he wont have to take on as many blocks and will be able to flow to the ball using his acceleration and quickness.
Flame on
I actually see a move to LB as a real good thing...him and Nic Harris along with Mitchell and Poz looks pretty good potentially and allows us to focus on OT and DE early in the draft...
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We have to remember though, this was not AVP's offense. Sure he may have tweaked it a little, but it doesn't change the fact he was handed the acting OC position a week before the regular season started and given an offense to operate which had just been toned down and muzzled by HC, DJ.
I have to agree with you however on how poorly AVP has been in reference to working with the QB's, but he never was a great QB to begin with so somehow that doesn't surprise me.
I will give you that it wasnt his offense entirely, but that still doesnt change the clear lack of in game adjustments, incredibly predictable play calling, and the lack of WR involvement most of the year.
That with the QB track record just seems to be a nail in the coffin IMO. When you ask the question what success has he had at any position coaching or playing, the answer is honestly none...so what warrants him keeping his job is my question?
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Terrible idea unless he wants a guy to just not get in the way...AVP was terrible this year, and I am not just referring to the way the offense played as a lot of that was very poor execution from the O Line and QB.
AVP was the least creative OC I have ever seen, and NO I am not referring to overly creative plays. I am referring directly to the point that he has no idea how to adjust an offense to counter the D being thrown at him and was incredibly poor at figuring out how to involve the WR's.
So many games could have gone differently if he would have just made adjustments, insereted slants, crossing routes, etc to help our QB's get them more involved. I swear it was mid season before we even saw a slant and that resulted in a long TD to Evans.
Yes, he was handicapped with poor QB play, but the offesne was the most predictable in the NFL, made very very few adjustments in game, and was terrible at finding ways to involve our weapons like Evans, TO, and even Nelson underneath and over the middle.
Add in to the mix that Trent has been terrible and AVP has been his mentor as a QB coach and OC...so he has a track record of really no success as a QB coach or OC...
NO THANKS...
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yo dickface, everything on here gets posted multiple times. Cause losers like you have nothing better to do. So you like being the oakland of the east coast? That is what all these terrible moves keep doing. And every year, Buffalo fans go out and buy season tickets.
The defition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results-
You are pathetic...make it official then, delete you account on this board...if you are so serious about this and dont have tickets to cancel yourself, then do the next best thing and delete your account and stand by what you say...I guarantee you wont, becuase just like 98% of all the other posers claiming to be done with Bills, you are full of crap.
Seriously, go back to corner and continue sucking your thumb and stomping your feet and leave it off the board...its cluttered with whiny posers just like you already.
Its one thing to debate or disagree with moves, its another to pretend you are done with the Bills...I 100% guarantee if you had season tickets going into 2010 you would not cancel them...
PS: Football is JUST A GAME people...get over it, its not the end of the world. Not to mention people who have forgotten more about football than you will ever know are really high on this hire for us and think he is a great fit...so who the hell cares that you dont approve or dont think real fans should buy tickets...
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OK. I live in St. Louis so I can't cancel my tickets, because I don't have any. If I lived up there, I would have them. And I would cancel them today. I follow this team every single day of my life. For over 45 years, I have been a fan.
Ralph promised change. He hired 71 year old guy from within. Then that guy ran out and hired a guy that nobody else wanted.
Do you really want to plunk down hundreds of dollars to support this old bastage?
Unbelievable. Chan Gailey over Marty Schottenheimer. Unbelievable.
You know, there are a bunch of BS threads like this, and some talking about how embarrased they are because of this hire...
GET REAL...seriously, Buffalo might have the biggest group of whiny cry babies I have ever seen, and thats what really gets embarrasing. They are so many whining over stupid things like not hiring a big name coach claming they are no longer fans and proposing to cancel season tickets...lmao at this gibberish.
Sure, we all would prefer someone like Shannhan and Cowher because we are more familiar with them...but the fact remains that people who know a hell of a lot more about football than you think Gailey is a great hire. The media, who knows jack squat about football and just runs popular opinnion and stirs the pot to generate interest is worthless too.
I will take the opinnion of those who make knowing football their career (and succeed at it) over a bunch of hack fans and low level media outlets all day long.
I would have prefered Billick too initially, but just because we didnt hire him doesnt mean we need to condem Gailey. And honestly, now that we know a lot more about Gailey, this hire doesnt look so bad as fisrt thought.
So get over yourself already, just because you dont know enough about football to know whether Gailey is a good hire or not doesnt mean you should push people to stop being fans. If you want to sit in the corner and suck your thumb while stomping your feet in displeasure, more power to you, its your right, but dont push that crap on everyone else...
PS: I guarantee you 100%, in fact I would bet everything I have in life that if you had season tickets paid for this upcoming season that you wouldnt really cancel them...just like all the other posers on here starting threads about how they are no longer fans...they always come back, just like you will...
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Dude, i'm not assuming anything, i'm just going off of what HE said himself. And it's not as if he was a rookie QB taking every snap of every game and he was in over his head..he was a rookie on the PRACTICE SQUAD, AND STILL IN OVER HIS HEAD. If you can't figure out how important that distinction is, then there is no hope.
I don't dislike Brohm dude...but please, don't sit there and tell me how Brohm even BEGINS to compare to Bradford in terms of talent or their collegiate careers (which is all we can go by since Brohm had done 0 in the nfl thus far).
You just indicated that you really dont know a whole lot about Brohm other than he was on a practice squad. Brohm was PUT on the practice squad because he didnt transition to the speed of the NFL as a rookie as fast as Flynn. Brohm wasnt lost ON the practice squad as you are implyiing in your post. And by year two and in Buffalo he felt he was ready and had become comfortable with the speed of the game. Unfortunately in GB, they love Flynn and there wasnt room on the roster for Brohm when they had so many needs.
Come on man with the stats stuff...Rule #1, comparing college stats is absurd...NCAA passing reocrd holders are players like Chang, Brett Elliot, David Klingler, Andre Ware, etc etc...most you have never heard of in other words or never amount to anything at the pro level. Most are products of systems rather than talent.
Case in point, guess who would the first QB taken in this draft if he came out? Jake Locker...his stats are no where near those of the other QB's nor his record...its because he is beleived to have much more upside as a NFL QB and his skills project better to the pro level...
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Alphadawg..Brohm said himself he was in over his head in Green Bay..i didn't say that, HE DID. You can go find the quote somewhere.
LOL, so a rookie QB in his rookie year takes a year to adjust to the pro game and you assume he is permanently over his head? In that same quote he also said its completely different now and is ready to compete...come on bro, you want to condem a high draft pick becuase he didnt adjust fast enough his rookie year to the speed and complexity to the game while playing the most complicated position in all of professional sports?
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Better tools? how so? Not height...not size...really not arm strength. How about mentally? Brohm has already shown to be in a bit over his head in the nfl...Bradford almost matched Brohm's entire collegiate numbers in his Junior year alone..It's amazing how quickly people forget things.
Please explain how he has shown to be over his head even though he has only played in one game...not to mention, the GB HC said no player in his entire career has ever grasped a playbook faster than Brohm.
And his arm is bigger than any in the draft, the only reason you doubt it is becuase all you know about Brohm is that he came from the GB practice squad. Based on college resumes (as thats all we have to go on) he is more accurate, has a bigger arm, and is as intelligent if not more intelligent than any QB in this draft.
PS: LOL at the fact you sight size as why the QB's in the draft have better skills...his size is more than sufficient to play in the NFL, and size is near the bottom of the list of intangibles that have the greater impact on NFL success...so who cares about size when his size is just fine to begin with
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Of all the things said by Nix & Gailey, one thing should jolt the people who think Brian Brohm is our QB of the future into reality:
Gailey was noncommittal on the quarterback situation. He and Nix have discussed the status of Ryan Fitzpatrick and Trent Edwards, but Gailey said he needs time to study the players on film before making an honest evaluation of them.
"I know both guys have had some success playing in the NFL, but they have not done it for a length of time with consistency," Gailey said. "Can they? We're going to decide that."
Brohm was not mentioned, because that's how little he is regarded by the guys in charge. He was a 3rd stringer plucked off a practice squad after nobody else was even willing to claim him off waivers just 1 year after being a 2nd round pick.
It's time to face reality, Brohm fans. He may be YOUR starting QB for 2010, but he will not be the Bills starting QB.
What? This says nothing to what you are implying it says...he just got hired for one, Trent and Fitz were clearly the established starters, so he addressed them in question. I love how Bills fans always find some negative way to spin things to create some kind of creative point that has really no relation to the quote...
Don't count out Trent Edwards
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hahaha...dude you are crazy...I said right in my post he had ONE 300 yard game in college, probably the one you just referenced...you cant even read a post right...best part is that you act like that one 300 yard game makes him good.
Brohm has just one start...so love the "wins" comparison by you to him
....and fitz won more games than Trent did this year in his only year as a bill...
So, you have yet to make a single truthful, accurate, or relevant supporting argument. I also love how you ignore all of the flaws that I pointed out...probably because they are indisputable. So until you can provide something of real substance, I see no reason to further discuss this with you.