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I dont think the secondary and front 7 was very good last year either though

I don't know I would say its uncomfortable, and not sure he is approaching being "washed", but its not been a good season for him, or much of the secondary. Play up front greatly impacts play on the back, and vice versa. So for me, I am not yet in the panic mindset on someone like Taron, whose job is inherently harder because we have not been good up front or on the back end of this defense. If getting Max and the PED duo back, on top of our injured guys (Olive is back, but just got back last game) can help the front 7 and secondary play better, then I think its quite possible we will see Taron play closer to his standards. That being said, I do think Taron's days here are in jeopardy coming to an end this next offseason unless they rework his deal. His cap hit takes a big jump for 2026 and also 2027, his age 30 and 31 seasons. He will either be a cap casualty, or he will get his deal redone. I can't see him playing again next year under his current deal that runs until 2028 (with 2028 being a void year). While I think he is capable of more than he has done this year (due to the struggles across the D around him), his best days are likely behind him.

This offense reminds me of the real estate crash of 2007/2008. Before the crash anyone could get a loan - after the crash even the most qualified were struggling to get qualified, it was a total gross overcorrection before it later found balance again. I feel like that is the Brady offense right now - a complete over correction from sugar rush and wreckless Josh to now being too careful. It absolutely is better for Josh to force less passes, take what is there, master the short game, etc. Its what made Brady and now Mahomes so lethal, they not only hit the big plays bit they will often kill you by deaths of a thousand cuts. But our entire offense is now completely built on manufacturing that and forcing that. We went from too wreckless to now too careful. And again, we saw a lot of great success at first with it - MVP, fewest turnovers in the league, most points in the entire league last year, NFL record of consecutive games not losing the turnover battle, etc. But, like with anything, the league has caught on and caught up. The blue print is out there to slow it down, disrupt it, identify its limitations, etc. Sure, we still get some scoring drives, but its taken away consistency from this offense through predictability. And quite honestly, Josh feeds on the energy he gets from hitting a big play, trucking some guy, leaping over someone, slamming his way into the endzone, etc. Brady has gotten too cute on down and short, too focused on getting 8-10 people to catch a pass, etc. If he doesn't figure out how to pivot and start scheming guys open more, using our personnel better (they are totally using Keon wrong for example), and getting after it more on offense, then this offense is not going to get out of this inconsistent rut. Cook not being in on critical drives or any 3rd downs is just insane. Struggling on down and short with Josh Allen, James Cook, and 3 TE's is insane. Ive been a fan of Brady early, but I have also been a big critic this whole season as I don't think Brady has done a good job this year and don't think there is even 1 game I can say Brady had it going that game.

Even better, and better than our FO 😂 - get me Terry's email so I can get him my resume 😂

I said it leading up to the draft and on draft night, Maye had the highest ceiling in the draft. And if I was going to take a QB, he was the one I would take the gamble on. I wasn’t thrilled to see him end up in NE, and we are seeing that concern come full circle already. IMHO, Maye is on his way to becoming a top 10 QB in this league for years to come. Said the same thing about Dart this year, except with Dart I went a step further and stated he was flat out the best QB in this draft.

The things that get posted here never ceases to amaze me

It also takes two to trade. We could have called on some players, but just because we call doesn’t mean those teams are in a rush either. Teams are going to try and find the best deals if they make trades, so it’s not our timeline they are on, it’s theirs.

Thank you - its amazing how little context is consider in discussions anymore. Whether its here, the media, whatever - everything is "apples to apples" when things are not remotely similar. There is a massive difference of throwing to Chase and Higgins compared to Jeudy and Bond. It's also one game. That being said - they are not actually wrong about the Browns, total joke of an organization. With Watson's contract stuck on the books and destroying the cap, all the Browns should care about right now is developing young players and getting higher draft picks. They should have let the rookies battle it out for 1 and 2, played the guy who won, and not be afraid to switch to the other in season if the first one wasn't showing promise. This season should have been entirely about discovering if they have a potential starter (or long term backup) in either of their 2 rookie QBs and being totally ok if they lose games while finding out given their cap is f-ed until they finally get rid of Watson anyway. So might as well get better draft picks along the way when there is no real way to contend for anything meaningful until then. Its also why they should have never paid Myles and traded him for a bounty and instead given the FO an armory of draft capital to rebuild around the young guys once the franchise killing sex predator Watson was finally off the books.

I clicked on this thread and saw people discussing an Allen trade - and so I am out lol.

He already is… https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPxh46OjBHW/?igsh=YnFmeGVycXBzaDBq

Also true ha so fair

Yeah Moore would be a legit WR1 and the best option of what the speculated WR market would be in terms of who is available (and the team would trade to Buffalo). I am not against Shaheed - but honestly we already have similar players in Samual and Moore who Brady doesn't use at all. I don't think adding Shaheed is going to do much for the offense. End of the day, he is a redundancy to guys we already have and don't use properly at even at all. We need someone on the outside who can be an every down WR1 that can also win downfield.

If Miami moves him, it won't be to the Bills. They will have other suitors, no reason to give the guy (Allen) who has owned you more weapons, especially when both Allen and Waddle are still in their prime. So guys like Wilson and Waddle are not going to wind up in Buffalo if either is moved. I think Olave and DJ Moore make the most logical sense, if either is moved, for what the Bills need and would realistically be obtainable if Beane elects to pursue a WR. DJ Moore is the guy I think would be the best fit of the 2.

What they ran in the AFCCG was not a tush push or any sort. The irony of the name "Tush Push" is that it actually has almost nothing to do with being pushed in the tush. In fact, the only thing the Bills did in the AFCCG resembling the tush push was having someones hands on Josh's Tush. The entire fundamental workings of the tush push is based on 2 factors and 2 factors only. The entire OL getting low, perpendicular to the ground, and getting push from underneath with leverage..and 2nd, a QB with strong legs getting low behind those guys and going straight ahead. The pushing of the tush is like sprinkles on a cupcake, yeah they are there and have some minute value, but its not what makes it a cupcake. What the Bills do is have Josh Allen literally not even go forward, he first goes sideways and looks for a hole in a gap. And its the same spot he always goes on top of that. That is a QB sneak, a predictable one at that, dependent on a hole or a gap being won where sure someone like Cook also pushes his butt. And then when it didn't work in the AFCCG, they started running it even worse the rest of the game. What is the most maddening about it, is that the Bills have previously run very good and very strong QB sneaks and even tush pushes. In the AFCCG they ran bastardized or worse versions of what we previously used that were utterly not effective. Why they went away from what they did previously will always be a question I want answered. And now the more important question is why don't they just literally run a proper "tush push" where the OL goes low with Allen powering low straight up the middle behind them. Eagles execute this as close to 100% as a play can ever get in the NFL, and we have the QB and OL to do the same and we just refuse to do it. And I think its entirely because McD and the Bills were vocal against the Tush Push and wanted it banned. But its NOT banned, so why the hell are we not using it? Thats like wanting to ban guns, but then finding yourself in a gun fight and having the most powerful gun laying on the ground next to you while you still throw rocks back at the guys shooting at you. Honestly, the Bills offense really wasn't very consistent or good the first 2-3 weeks of the season. It took a miracle fumble to win week 1 after the offense was not great for first 3 quarters week 1, then weeks 2-4 it really had large chuncks of time each game where it was stagnant. Even when we put up 30 week 2, our offense was not great and we would not have put up 30 had the Jets offense not been so bad. I think the past 2 weeks we just played better teams so it stood out more.

Brady should have 2 homework assignments over the bye - mandated assignments. Study the Eagles down and short game: We have Josh Allen and Cook, and we suddenly suck on down and short, its ridiculous. We went from being unstoppable on down and short, to some very ill timed and weird bastardized version of a wannabe tush push (something we used to do quite well) in the AFCCG. It was like the Bills decided they were going to go hard against the Tush Push and refused to run anything close to it and what they did run was a joke. And now this year, not only are we not doing a proper tush push or proper sneak, we are doing all these bone head cutesie plays that are not only not working consistently, but also resulted in 2 fumbles in the last 2 games. Study what the Falcons did this weekend to us: How the Falcons used London and Bijan in the passing game is what they need to be looking at on how to utilize Cook and Keon. Im not saying Keon and Cook are exactly the same level or type of player as each, but how they use them is exactly we should be looking to get Keon more involved and Cook more involved in our passing game. London isn't a burner either, but Falcons move him around to get him the ball in space and get him off the line easier. Cook is a ghost in our passing game, him suddenly not being used in that capacity is mistake and I think it has to do with how many carries he is getting if I had to guess, otherwise nothing about it makes sense. If reducing Cooks touches is the reason, then they need to get Davis like 8-10 carries a game to offload some of Cooks touches to get him more in the passing game. Whatever the reason, its just wrong. Him never being an option on 3rd down, or on sure passing downs is mind blowing. Even McD seemed genuinely shocked to find that out. Ive been a supporter of Brady since his emergence, and I do think that support was warranted and deserved. But, the is the NFL, teams CATCH UP to what you are doing and all it takes is one team to show the blueprint on how to disrupt it and then you have to adjust. Even Sean McVay had to adjust and evolve along the way. So this for me is Brady's moment to prove he is a top tier OC and future HC or he that he was a guy that did something different until teams figured it out and it fizzled and never recovered. Everybody eats is a great mantra, and a great mindset. But it should be just that, a mantra/mindset - not a literal forced game plan. It needs to mean, don't force feed the ball to a target, take what the defense gives you and make smart decisions. But this year, the commitment seems to be more focused on 8-10 guys catch passes each week, too many plays where guys are all running clear outs with no intent on them getting the ball to scheme one guy open, even a backup WR, TE or RB to where the only way anyone else is getting the ball is if the play breaks down. I mean our 3rd string WR's, TE's, and RB's are too involved, we need to game plan to get our better players more quality touches, not just get everyone touches. If our 3rd string is out there, and no one is open, sure get him the ball. But we are running plays to get these guys touches too much. Bonus Points: He should go watch film of Keon's last year in college to see exactly how not to use him. We are using him the same way, a tall target that just runs too many routes that don't suit his abilities and puts him more in consistent contested catch or back shoulder type plays. Again, watch Drake London this past game Brady, get Keon more quality opportunities that better suit his abilities to make plays. We are using him more like Mack Hollins than an actual player we are looking to get good looks too. Someone who clears out and blocks more than a guy who we are game planning to get involved. Why isn't Keon getting slants/crossers in the redzone or down and goal? Like are you serious? Such a stupid missed opportunity, stop making him beat a corner on the outside in the red zone.

Let me clarify - I have not said Shakir is an elite WR1. He is a slot WR, that’s his job and he’s special at it. That’s like saying well he’s a great safety but he gets burned at CB. It’s two entirely different positions. A slot WR is a true WR, it’s not a part time role. Does that mean we don’t need a legit WR1 on the outside - no. But this notion that because he’s not an elite outside WR1 somehow makes him just a complimentary piece is not accurate at all. You put Shakir next to Puka on an offense not afraid to feed their top targets and his production would jump and he would be a regular problem for defenses. The issue is two fold - one, we don’t have anyone to threaten elsewhere on the field and roster full of guys who are most dangerous in the same areas Shakir is. It’s redundancy. Two - we run an offense that doesn’t put any focus on any one player, so even if Shakir was best on the outside we wouldn’t be featuring him. Diggs went from being on pace for the 2nd best season of his career under Dorsey to fall off a cliff production wise under Brady with the philosophical switch to the offense. I whole heartedly agree he can’t be and shouldn’t be our “top WR”. But from a talent perspective, if we traded for Olave, Shakir would still be our “best WR” in terms of overall talent IMO even though this team badly needs someone like Olave to open up the offense. Leaning on Shakir to open it up isn’t going to work when the rest of the targets eat in the same areas Shakir does. Now trade for DJ Moore and he would be the best WR on the team and Shakir would be even better out the slot.

Ok now show all the misses.

Worthy hasn’t done anything of note despite being a feature target with Andy Reid and Mahomes. His stats are very underwhelming and that’s with being a featured player with the greatest offensive mind and best QB in the league. His stats would be even worse here and everyone would be saying he’s a bust and we should have taken Ladd. The real miss was not being aggressive to get BTJ or taking what was the clear BPA in Cooper DeJean at the time. We drafted for need in Keon, but we should have taken Cooper. Ladd also had no value here, his stats would look just like Samuels. Him and Shakir play the same position, and Ladd only had a good rookie year due to lack of options. This year, and ancient Keenan and forgotten Quentin have taken all targets and production from Ladd. While I like Ladd and thought he was the 5th best WR in the draft, he’s a slot WR and we were a team with only slot WRs on it when we drafted Keon. We needed size and speed, BTJ offered both, he should have been the priority, and if you can’t get him, Cooper should have been the pick if you go BPA and safety was also a big need. I liked Keon in the draft, so wasn’t and we picked him, and kind of expected it too. Ladd was best WR on my board at our pick, but Keon was the next best WR on the board for me, and felt Ladd wasn’t a good fit, so wasn’t upset with the pick. But if we could make a different decision, it’s clearly try for BTJ or take Cooper for me.

Wait - come on, you just compared Shakir to arguably the best WR in football who plays an entirely different position, completely different style of WR, and a player that is a 160+ target type player. That’s pretty silly, no disrespect. Just because Shakir is not Chase does not mean Shakir has hit his ceiling for the Bills, that’s a pretty ridiculous suggestion. Put Shakir on the Rams and I will bet everything I own that he would put up more targets, yards and catches than he does here. And Shakir likely would have been a 1000 yard WR last year had he not missed a game and a half from injury and Allen and the starters didn’t sit out week 17.

No disrespect, but this isn't how you can look at what his ceiling is. This is the 2nd year in a row where our offense is geared around putting the ball into 8-10 different receivers hands per game, including consistently getting 3rd string players involved. We are getting targets for 3 different TE's, 3 different RB's, 5 different WR's and every week. Samuel, Shavers, Moore, Knox, Hawes, Davis, Ty, etc all getting targets on top of Keon, Palmer, Shakir, Kincaid, Cook. Its a function of the offense, not the ability of the player. Look at Diggs in the same season under Dorsey then under Brady. Diggs was on pace for 2nd biggest season of his career under Dorsey, then under Brady his production fell off a cliff and over those final 7 games it was Shakir who led the team in receiving despite Diggs getting twice as many targets. I mean its clear as day its the offensive design limiting anyone players ceiling here for individual statistics in the passing game. Look at Samuel before Buffalo and in Buffalo. Look at Moore before Buffalo and in Buffalo. Look at Cooper before Buffalo and in Buffalo. Why is everyones yardage total significantly lower here under Brady than it was before Brady? Because the offense does not focus on any one WR, no one gets proper targets, its literally designed to be anyone on any given play. So no disrespect, but hard disagree that Shakir's ceiling is being reached by being in this offense.

This might be the single most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this forum. It also might be the single most inaccurate thing I have ever read on this board. And it also might be simultaneously the single most delusional and narcissistic thing I have ever seen on this forum to even remotely imagine you could know as much or more than a career long football coach who has coached at the highest level of the sport and been part of the highest level of success of the highest level of the sport. I am actually impressed such a trifecta could even be accomplished in one post, so ironically, my hats off to you, bravo. PS: Football is without a doubt the most complex of all major team sports, and it's not close.

Im not a Rex Ryan fan by any means - but he has forgotten more football knowledge in the last hour than you have ever known in your entire lifetime. But no, I was NOT referring to Rex Ryan specifically if that helps your absurd take.

I am not saying his seat shouldn't be hot, but the reality is Terry loves him, and he has a great W/L record, we are still a leading SB favorite despite being riddled by injuries. So I doubt McD really fears his job right now because I seriously doubt anyone inside the organization is giving him any reason to. To be clear, I am not defending him, I am fully on board making changes if this falls short again. But more commenting on why he probably doesn't fear his job by stating how the ownership and FO see him and likely not giving him any kind of reason to fear for his job, at least not yet.

Weird then that so many current and former players, coaches, and GM's who regularly speak about him don't agree with you. Guys who know and lived the game at a level no one here can even relate to all gush about him as a player, a weapon, and what he brings to the offense. You will be hard pressed to find anyone outside of a small contingent on TSW who don't think Shakir is a very good player.

Dont get me wrong, I totally agree with you. Which is why I said in my next sentence you didn't quote that I still think McD should take over play calling duties. I was just being fair about the half time adjustment. I am not a Babich fan at all.