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If we dont at least reach the SB, then I think everything should be reevaluated, including both McD and Beane. But - honestly with Beane, I think the odds are much greater that we would get worse at GM, not better if we got rid of him Look around the league, there are not a lot of good GMs. And if you look at the "hot" GM's fans (many here) clamor for over the years, those same GM's are on the hot seat or fired shortly after and often for the things fans loved them for - big over pay moves that didn't work out and set the franchise back. I think the more reasonable approach would to first make a change at HC before I would clear out Beane. Especially when Beane is building the roster around his coaches and what they want. If you are going to make a change, then start with the coaches and see how things go for another season with Beane before you gamble on replacing him with someone who is a lot more likely to be a downgrade than an upgrade.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46513232/buffalo-bills-wr-keon-coleman-benched-first-drive-snf Surprised I didn't see a thread on this. Doesn't sound like a big deal, it was just for the first series apparently over something during the week. If I had to guess (and I am only guessing as they didn't say what the specific reason was), I would bet he was late to something. Before people blow this up, if you read the article both McD and Brady talk on it and have both good things to say and site areas of where they want to see more consistency from the young player. So this isn't some doom or gloom moment, but still worth noting. The encouraging part is they said they are seeing growth, and the area they want to see more from is consistency, which should come as no surprise to anyone. Personally, I think Brady needs to do a better job at getting him (and Palmer) involved. While I like Brady overall, his play calling and his situational decisions have left a lot on the field out there at times this year. I think with a guy like Keon, they need to start making an effort to get him more involved and putting him position to do so more often with crossers, slants, and comebacks. He seems like someone who will get stronger as you get him more involved and we saw it week 1 as well. Note: Samuel is another guy I think they need to work in more, he is getting open and not getting the looks.

That is totally fair criticism. I think there is plenty of fair criticism with how Brady has called games this year, used personnel, etc. I am not saying Brady is doing a bad job, but I think there are holes in how he has called games that if he shored up the offense would have fewer stalled phases in games and we would score even more points.

No disrespect, but I don't think they really "planned" on Tre being the starter. They said we needed speed in our secondary, even if Tre was to prove he had something left in the tank, speed was never going to be part of what he brought to the table. Based on everything said about Hairston, Tre, etc I think the plan was to let them legit compete in hopes that Hairston either won the job in camp or would eventually take over the job during the season. Tre getting first teams reps to start camp was not only not a surprise, but 100% what I expected as that is pretty much what they always do. Open camp with the vet over a rookie as the starter until the rookie earns the spot. They trusted Tre, and quite honestly, Tre had a good camp and was showing the most ready to play over Hairston. Not like they just handed Tre the job, he legit had a better camp before Hairston got a full camp to compete due to injury. They have spoken a lot about wanting to get more speed in our secondary, so if they had their wish, it would be Hairston out there right now instead of Tre. The unfortunate injury altered that possibility, but with him coming back, my expectation is they won't rush him in there, but I suspect we will see a lot of Hairston in the KC game with the 3 speedster WR's they have in Worthy, Brown, and Tyquan who all had sub 4.3 40's coming out of college.

So our offense that before Sunday had an NFL record for consecutive games not losing the turnover battle, Josh was at 33 TD's - 2 Turnovers in his previous 13 games, we were the highest scoring team in the AFC since "Everybody Eats" became a thing, scored more total points than any team in the NFL last year, including KC and PHI who each played one more game than us with the SB and after we sat the offense in week 17, and we saw our QB, Shakir, etc also set individual records in that span as well, including winning Josh his first MVP who personally set several records in that span. But we are out here complaining about an offense that has been the highest scoring offense in Bills history, the AFC this year, the AFC regular season last year, the AFC post season last year - instead of a defense that can't get off the field on 3rd down, that gave up 32 points in the AFCCG to a team that didn't break 30 the entire season outside that one game and was down 31-0 at one point the following week after hanging 32 on us, and a defense that has given up 35 PPG to the chiefs in our 4 playoff losses to them? I don't know what this Bills syndrome is called where people don't like scoring unless we score the way they want to score, but its wild to me. Meanwhile, our D is having issues right now and not playing well enough to make up for the rare instance when Allen and the offense struggle like they did when they made us lose the turnover over battle for the first time in like a season and a half 3-1 aganst the Pats. Not exactly a surpirse to lose a game when you lose the turnover battle 3-1. And yet, all our D had to do was not allow a game winning FG drive against a 2nd year QB on a less talented roster - but our injury riddled D failed to hold once again and between that and the self inflicted errors by 2 fumbles and a bad throw INT, we lost by 3.

Also completely untrue. Allen didnt throw it because he bailed on a clean pocket before setting his feet to make a throw. Literally every explanation you have given is factually disprovable on film.

I mean some things are just coincidences.

Sorry that is simply not true. If the ball is out in front and to the outside, not only can the S not close on time, the only way to intercept would be to go through Samuel unless Allen threw a bad ball. To say its a sure INT is just flat out incorrect. What you and some others are conveniently doing is taking an early screen shot BEFORE Samuel makes his break, which happens in a fraction of a second after Allen bails on the pocket. You are using that screen shot because it reduces the info to be able to paint a bias instead of the video that clearly shows Allen has a clean shot and and a clean pocket had he not bailed. And NO Samuel is not open because Allen bailed, the safety STAYED with Samuel, he did NOT come off him to let him get open, Samuel was flat out open had Allen just stood in the pocket on the drop back and fired. No offense, you can say its an INT as much as you want, it doesn't make it true and QBs with lesser arms complete this same throw every week in the NFL.

Thats not accurate, Allen is still in his drop back when the window to hit Samuel is opening, and he remained open as Allen moved to his right. The point is, Allen took off early and had he not, then the throw to Samuel was right there and an easy TD strike or close to it. There was no reason to roll right when he did, he should have seen the easy throw to Samuel opening up.

In a Bills fantasy league chat I posted several times during the game that I got to give credit where credit was due for being a big time throw or some kind of Allen-esque type play. He isn't there yet, but the kid has some traits I really liked coming out of college, and quite honestly he is further along in his mechanics than where Josh was in his 2nd year when Josh was still struggling with accuracy. He isn't going to be the next "Allen", because I don't think anyone is, Allen is that good. But the kid has impressed me where he is at and I think he has a bright future. And anytime a young player plays well in an upset win in primetime it always gets magnified. But end of the day, Bills should have won this game by 2-3 scores, and easily, had it no been for 3 self inflicted turnovers. NE and Maye still dont have the fire power to hang if we don't beat ourselves, but the kid deserves credit, he played well and led a game winning drive.

How is the pass to Samuel not the right throw from the pocket? If Allen puts the ball the outside in front of Samuel the only way it can be defended is to go through Samuel. Thats not incorrect, thats just what it is. There was without a shadow of a doubt a window to hit Samuel, its honestly not even really debatable, its just a fact.

I think he is calling it a desperation ball because Josh had to run around for what felt like an eternity to be able to get the pass off. The pass its self wasn't a "desperation" hope and pray ball, but the play in itself was in desperation mode scrambling to extend to find something or someplace to go with it. I still believe Allen flat out missed the right read to Samuel from a clean pocket that would have been a TD or close to a TD.

Respectfully disagree. If Allen puts that ball to the outside and in front of Samuel then Gonazalez would have to go through Samuel to get to the ball. There was for sure a window for Allen to hit Samuel, and with Allens arm strength he might have hit Samuel with out him ever getting touched. Shakir still was interfered with, maybe the most egregious PI of the night, so terrible non call by Refs that should have seen the drive continue. So I don't think there was anything wrong with throwing to Shakir - but there was a clear missed opportunity, and easier opportunity to Samuel from the pocket that gets us close to a TD or a TD. I would bet good money Josh wants that one back.

Flonkerton. Coffee Cup Race. Hate Ball. M&M Chug. Guess The Elevator. Dunderball. Josh would definitely concur 😉

Well that is fair, and I am a big Baker supporter, been a fan since college. So I agree, I think Baker is firmly in the top 10 QB category right now and if I had to pick one I would take Baker over Purdy. That being said, I do think Purdy gets short changed a lot by others, and the way your post read I thought that was more your take on it too, so thanks for clarifying. Yeah, I agree with you on Mac. A backup comes in and wins a game, especially one they weren't expected to, and they get the attention and buzz. But to be fair to Mac, guys like Geno, Baker, and Darnold are all having success later in their careers too after being premium draft picks but faltering in the earlier stops in the NFL as they got better or into better situations. So who knows, maybe Mac can find a rebirth somewhere too. But I still agree with you and think that Purdy is the better QB and the guy I would trust more as my starter, at least right now.

TBH, I just don't really understand why Purdy doesn't get more credit and respect as a QB right now. I have watched every game Brock has played given my wife is a die hard Niners fan. The only exceptions were the few times Niners and Bills were on at the same time where both games were on, but I was only really paying attention to the Bills lol. What I will say is that Brock Purdy has been better than people give him credit for. I am not saying what he will or wont be moving forward, but the touch and precision he has had since he got the job has been impressive. The Niners offense was night and day different the second he took over for Jimmy G. Brock, and the Niners, have been hit hard by injuries every season in the Purdy era. He has still played at a very high level even through the difficulties of constant injuries to all the teams best players on both sides of the ball. I don't know if Purdy has the staying power or not, I am only talking about how he has been thus far. And IMHO, he has been better than he often gets credit for and he throws a pretty ball.

Oh I am with you, this is even better than the SB era IMO in terms of weekly fun and enjoyment because Josh Allen is just that fun to watch. I was more referencing how they will be celebrated and remembered in general.

Lost in the noise of TSW is just how insanely good the Bills really have been and the number of records we have seen individuals and the team set, break, and are even continuing to set right now. And they are doing it in the AFC, which is, and has been, the better conference during the Allen era. To be fair, I think the gap this year between the AFC and NFC is probably closer to even this year given the struggles and injuries to some of the teams expected to contend this year like Balt and Cincy. But no doubt, over the past 5 seasons overall, the AFC has been the clear tougher conference. For example - Heading into the Saints game, in Josh Allens previous 12 games, including the playoffs, he had 30 TD's to 1 Int. I don't if people truly understand just how crazy good that is. Bills are also in the midst of what is already an NFL record of not losing the turnover battle in consecutive games and growing. And while the comment still gets mocked to this day, the facts are "Its hard to win in the NFL". Every game matters, and matters a lot, over the course of a season. This isn't baseball or basketball where if your team just isn't clicking, doesn't have it, etc one game then big deal, its not that important over the scope of a season. Your team has to bring it each and every week in what is already a physical and mentally draining game. The complexity of defenses and offenses is nothing like you find in other team sports. You have to be ready both physically and mentally each and every week, and in some weeks on short weeks before you body fully recovers from the previous game. For a team like the Bills to do things at the level they have done them for as long as they have done them is pretty remarkable. Even the streak they had never losing a game by more than 1 score, thats so unheard of in todays NFL. All that being said - they won't be celebrated or remembered for any of that unless a Lombardi trophy is sitting in our trophy case in the new stadium. And with the landscape in the NFL right now, this season is clearly their best shot. If they can handle their business against the teams they should beat, we could have the 1 seed locked up early and get that all important 1st round bye and the even more important road to the SB in Buffalo.

Ask any RB, coach, OL Coach, etc - and they will tell you the same thing, playing RB is about rhythm and feel. To come in cold for one snap and leave the field is a really tall ask, especially when its usually on an obvious running situation. I have not had time to watch the ALL22 myself, I am going off what I have seen other people post on this subject when they are posting lots of plays showing he had no where to go from their review of the ALL22. So I am sure I have not seen every play, and will just trust your review of those plays and assume he missed an opportunity on those 2 plays - but couple points here on this: I didn't see the 2 plays on ALL22 you referenced, but as a general note: Just because there was a hole somewhere does not always mean that is where the play was designed to go. There isn't a RB in the NFL you cant watch the ALL22 on that you won't find the same thing for. Sometimes its they broke off the designed run and made a bad decisions, other times, they are going right at where the hole is supposed to be and isn't. This also leads right back to my point above. RB position is instinctual, especially when popping out of where it was going to go to hit another hole elsewhere. When you are coming in cold, short yardage, thinking about ball control and just hitting the hole hard then it becomes hard to also rely on those instincts. Football players of all calibers (even Josh Allen) talk about how getting that first hit, contact, etc wakes them up, gets the blood going, etc. I am not here to make excuses for Davis, but I saw a lot of plays where he had no chance on some guys social media post where he discussed the criticism of Davis and if its fair. Doesn't mean there were not some plays he could have done more or not, just means that most of his lack of success this year has been due to low sample size and really no where to go with the ball on most his carries. For me, that makes a lot more sense than some of the theories that his struggles are because he lost 15 pounds.

Curious - has anyone watched any footage breakdown on Hawes over this season yet? If not, there are things on social and youtube to look for, but man is it impressive. He is a manimal as a blocker, and to think he is only 4 games into his career and could perceivably get even better is pretty exciting. Its also pretty wild that a guy known for his blocking got his first target in such a massive moment and way down field in tight coverage against the Ravens and made the play. I like Knox, a lot, so this not about him or anything - just about how much Hawes has himself impressed thus far and how many big and positive plays he has affected with his blocking and limited touches already as what essentially started as a TE3. Its fun film to watch if you haven't seen any outside what you saw live in games.

No disrespect, the year I am referencing it was definitely at least 4 dropped sure fire TD's. Might have been 5, but I know it was 4 as I had a running tally going that season and tracked it. And like I said, it was the throws where he is running down field and having to look back over his shoulder to track the ball and make the catch where the drops happened. And if you look at Cook this year and last year, he doesn't really get those kinds of targets anymore unless its an improvised play where he trying to get open for Allen to have a place to go with the ball.

Yeah, spot on. If you look at the carries, he hasn't had any space of opportunities on the few touches he got. This is why people checking stat sheets and ignoring context, sample size, etc are led to misleading conclusions that he is the problem or failing. Someone was talking about this on social media and cut together a bunch of his carries this year, and on those plays Cook would not have fared any better if he had gotten the carry, the play was blown up with the RB having nowhere to go. It would be one thing if there were holes he was either late or slow to hit, or just flat out not seeing and running into a wall by choice. If there is no place to go, there is no place to go. This isn't like Davis and Cook are a "Thunder and Lightning" duo right now where they both get relevant carries and series to play. Davis usually comes in on one play, that is an obvious running situation, and the D is ready and the play has no where to go. I am hoping as the season goes on they start giving Davis more like a series or two instead of a couple one off individual plays to both reduce Cooks wear and tear over the long season and to also get Davis going for the playoffs where we may be in snow every round of the playoffs as the 1 seed and having a power run game will be of value.

Cook has never been great at pass pro, but he was certainly a lot worse at it early in his career, and I am sure that factored in along with the fact they really liked Devin as well. And we also frustratingly just didn't run the ball enough or as effectively as we do now back then. For the drops, I honestly don't remember if it was a thing or not his rookier year. But I believe it was in year 2 where he dropped at least 4, possibly 5 would be TD's. Funny, he didn't seem to drop a lot of other passes, but it was those routes (like a wheel route) more where he had to catch it further down field tracking the ball looking back for it that he just would muff, the kind of passes Ty makes look routine where ones that were Cooks kryptonite. The team seems to understand that now and Cook doesn't get a lot of those looks anymore and they throw those most often to Ty.

Part of the issue is that there is overlap with Shakir with our guys with the most "juice" in Samuel and Moore. So getting them on the field without taking off the better WR in Shakir is where the challenge is given how they run the offense where the dirty work is also a big factor in their play design and offensive philosophy.

You can't judge a RB who gets a random touch here and there and thats it. RB's need Rhythm, they need to feel the OL, the defense, etc. Then you have the factor that in a lot of Davis carries they are mostly obviously running situations and the defense responds accordingly. Davis is not getting the same type of touches that Cook gets who gets them on downs where we can be passing or running. Davis is getting a random touch here and there on more obviously running downs and with no creativity. And if you actually look at the carries, there are no holes, the play is getting blown up, its not Davis failing to see a hole. This is what happens when people use a stat sheet despite the sample size is so small and the use case context is not considered. You get misleading conclusions. I am not saying Davis is the next Cook, but he has proven he can play, and his lack of production is almost entirely rooted in the fact the plays and blocking themselves failed on the play more than anything Davis did poorly. I am not concerned at this point, not until I see him get some relevant carries that demonstrate he is the reason for the lack of success of better production on those carries. Cook has been playing out of his mind, and they have been riding his hot feet is what the real biggest factor is. Like others, I dont want to see this amount of carries continue for Cook, and I expect they will start to try and get the touches down some as the season goes on. But Cook is also VERY good at avoiding hard contact and big hits. So while there are a lot of carries, hes not taking on the same kind of physicality that comes with it like a Jacobs, Henry, Saquan, etc would be on this many touches where the power run game is a bigger part of their carries.