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This is good news for us and Cook IMO, this is a fair deal and one that should help get one done here.

All good, but you had chimed into my convo where I was stating Brady is the GOAT but I don't know for sure who was the actual best QB to ever play on a given Sunday in their prime. And there are people who watched Graham and Unitas who will insist they are also in those conversations. I cant say they deserve to be or not as that is before my time, but I do know there is a legit question which QB was better in their prime on any given Sunday in Joe and Tom despite acknowledging Tom has earned the GOAT title through all his accomplishments.

Ok - well we can just move on since we are not talking about the same thing, all good

You are not having the same discussion. The debate is not who was the GOAT - I verbatim said its Brady, and I agree, its not a debate. The question here is, in their prime, who was the actual best QB to stand on an NFL field on any given Sunday. Take away the longer career and therefore longer resume, just 2 guys in their prime - who would be the best QB on that field. And no disrespect, that is where you don't have the insight to weigh in on that as you didn't watch Montana play. I watched every game he played practically - My dad had 3 loves in his life - His kids first. Niners 2nd. TV show "Dallas" 3rd. Wife - somewhere down the list lol. When the Niners or the TV Show "Dallas" were on, you could only ask him yes or no questions during commercial breaks. I watched just about every Niners game Joe ever played and I can tell you that it is NOT certain that Brady was actually better than Joe was in their respective primes. Brady is the GOAT without question - But who would be the best QB in a head to head battle in their primes is very much open for debate. See my reply to Gunner - you are having the wrong debate. Not debating Brady whether Brady is the GOAT, he is, and said so in every post. The question is who was actually the best QB in their primes. And I am not saying its even for sure Montana, I am simply saying is a valid question and debate.

I am pretty sure you also didn't watch Montana play as from my recollection you were not watching football back then and didn't become a big fan until much later. So no disrespect, if my recollection is accurate, you can't reasonably weigh in on this having not watched Joe's entire career. I watched both, and I can tell you 2 things: Brady is the GOAT, no other QB has a career resume that can match because he played longer and through that accomplished more than anyone. May never even be equalled. But - It is not so clear who the best QB was on the filed in their primes on any given Sunday. To be fair, I have the same issue at RB when IMHO Barry Sanders is the clear GOAT at RB - But I also didn't watch Jim Brown play and can't really refute when someone argues he was for example. Basketball has a similar debate - Lebron is going to hold more records, more stats, more Finals appearances, etc than Jordan because he has played longer between coming out of High School and still playing at an elite level this late in his career nearly 40 - but doesn't mean he was a better player than Jordan. But depending on how one views them, an argument can be made both ways. But no disagreement, Brady has the resume to lock down GOAT title, and deserves it. Still doesn't mean that head to head in their prime he was a better than Montana. I am not even saying it was Montana, I am just saying it is a legitimate debate.

Geesh thats a borderline playoff roster on the injury report lol

Its also a team sport, a QB can only control so much. But the reality is, QB's get the most credit and the most blame - and the only games people weigh the most are the Championship games. Montana's path to the Super Bowl was a lot tougher than the paths Brady and the Pats repeatedly faced too. And once he got there he didn't lose. Not saying its bad Brady lost, but its just how things are weighed. Lebron gets it held against him too how many times he got the finals and lost when compared in GOAT conversations too. Winning in the finals elevates ones status exponentially, and losing in the finals/championship doesn't really - and when compared to other greats who didn't lose, it comes up and factors in some what, fair or not. Look at Burrow, no one talks about how he made one SB - one which he lost with the ball in his hands - and now they just talk about can he even make the playoffs this year after missing the last 2 despite having one of the best set of weapons in the league.

You know Shakir is just missing some preseason games right?

Montana also played in a much harder era of football where the rules were not being rolled out yet to benefit the passing game. Defenders could be a lot more physical not just with the QB's but with the WR's too. And BB was a defensive genius, that also allowed him to understand the opponents defense's better than anyone as well and that impacted a LOT what they did on offense. So don't discount BB's offensive impact either. Brady also had arguably the greatest TE of all time on his team too. This has no relevancy to who was better - it just shows who had the better or worse QB replace them. Brady should be acknowledged as the GOAT - Longevity and top level success in his 40's put Tom in the drivers seat for the GOAT title. But at the time Joe retired, he had as many SB wins (and no losses) as Tom did except Tom had multiple SB losses as well. There is a difference in being the GOAT (which is a career resume title) and being the "best" QB to ever play (which is a talent/ability title). Joe had his body break down and betray him preventing him from the same longevity as Tom, so he cant compete on the career long resume aspect of the GOAT conversation, which is where Tom clearly pulls away in the convo. But who was really the best QB in their prime on the field? That is a legit question and debate. Retirement age - Who is the GOAT if Brady had retired the same age as Joe? I would say Joe is probably the more popular pick as he had just as many SB rings and was undefeated in the SB with Brady having 2 losses. And at that time, Joe was still the more widely considered GOAT. Brady pulled away with all the incredible success he continued to have past that age and into his 40's. What would happen if Tom and Joe swapped places? Does Tom's resume get better or worse? I would say most likely worse both in longevity (due to the physicality) and production (due to the tougher rules). Does Joe's resume get better or worse playing in the modern era with rules to protect QB's and open up the passing game? I would say most likely better both in longevity (his body likely lasts longer than his did) and production (due to softer and easier passing rules So - no disagreement that Brady has earned GOAT recognition and title because of his high level play for as long as he was able to do it - but that doesn't necessarily mean he was still the "best" QB of the two in their respective primes on a football field on any given Sunday. That I think is very much a legitimate debate between the two.

I agree, I don't think its a sign a deal is close as I doubt Cook responds in a way that would cause so many questions. Hard Knocks has been filming there too, so wouldn't surprise me if this is a calculated move by him and his agent utilizing the bigger exposure of Hard Knocks now that the cameras are rolling there to try and create more buzz or leverage. So I don't think anything "happened" and this is just part of the plan - I think Cook did his part, came to camp, participated, showed his commitment to the team and goals of the season and hoped that it would generate enough good will there would be more movement on his deal or get closer. And the plan was, that if there wasn't by the time preseason started, then they would adjust and "sit in" and get more rigid with the situation. And quite honestly, its a fair approach IMHO - First, go show you are here, do the right things, out the good will out there and if that doesn't result in positive movement on the deal, you can then be more justified in taking a more stern stance. Personally, I think Cook has handled the situation up to this point pretty well. He has done and mostly said the right things. He has shown he wants to be here now and long term. That doesn't mean a deal will get done, end of the day it comes down to what he is asking for and where that aligns in the Bills cap plans and how they value him. But I don't have an issue with how he has handled himself regardless, and I think Beane and the FO have done a good job too in how they have been open about it, the challenges around it, and keeping an open dialogue with Cook and his agent through the process. It will be interesting to see more details and depth on this storyline through Hard Knocks too as its obviously going to be a prevalent one.

Interesting - Our season ended because no one on our offense knew where the Blitz was coming from on 4th down and was fooled by Spags on the final play. We had multiple guys running wide open on the play for easy first down but Josh had no time to even see them or attempt to get them the ball after we cheated coverage the wrong direction and gave their defense a free release on Josh. The result heaving a prayer ball instead. We literally had 3 players wide open for easy first or massive gains, including Shakir right off the snap and even Kincaid himself (who was running wide open for massive gain opportunity) if we could have better protected and let Josh throw a clean ball. It's an area we need to be better at in crunch time - on both sides of the ball.

My wife is a die hard Niners fan - She also is now a Bills fan too and loves Allen and Bills Mafia - but still Niners fan first. SB is in San Francisco this year. She grew up in the Bay and we live only 2 hours away. If its a Niners vs Bills Super Bowl in our own backyard, we are gonna find a way to go! We joked the other day we would sell our 2nd car even if we had to - although, I don't think either of us were really joking and probably really would if that was the best way lol. Our hope is my wife can get a couple free tickets through her work though lol.

Jerry literally thinks all this is funny, literally laughing about it in the news and calling it just a negotiation. Hes not available. At least not yet. Will that change? Maybe, but Jerry has made it pretty clear he’s not available right now.

He has made it clear multiple times he wants to be here. No need to over analyze his body language:

Dallas isn’t trading Parsons. Trading Cook for Parsons isn’t worth the time to post to suggest that because Parsons is not available.

For the record, I don't think Dallas ends up trading him. But - woke up this morning and realized if they did surprise and did trade him - then we need to be the one to go figure it out and get him. What he would do for this defense, even with his liability as a run defender, would be franchise altering based on where this roster is at. Yeah exactly, he wants to be the one controlling the situation, told fans don't even lose any sleep over this - cuz there is no intent to trade him at all. For Dallas to trade him, it has to be because Jerry wants to, not because the player wants it. So I agree, he loves this and the odds of Parsons being moved are pretty low IMHO.

Yeah, I don't know Jerry's ego can handle trading a player who demanded it making it their idea and not Jerry's.

Bills hype video for the upcoming season! If this doesn’t give you goose bumps and ready to break some f’n tables or run through a f’n brick wall you might be dead inside 🤣 - LFG!!!!!!! ❤️💙

The originator is Polymarket and they are legit, and a fun one to follow as they are also funny AF in their recaps of football and basketball games. But they only post legit stuff from what I have seen and I went and confirmed they put this out, and did. Here is the link and I recommend all their accounts for a follow

As I have stated in every post in this thread, I still very much doubt he leaves Dallas. Especially with Jerry's ego, he isn't going to like trading him when it wasn't "his" idea now that Parsons has gone public about it. But lets assume it really isn't gonna get done there and they do trade him (and honestly, they should as that roster isn't winning anything any time soon, load up on new assets to retool the team). Bills feel unlikely given the cap impact, however, the one thing I will say is never doubt Beane. If there is a GM in football that can make the cap work, its him. And he has proven to make moves when he wants to make the move. I also don't feel like he is a "must" add player anymore - where I did feel that way before the draft. I really like what we did this offseason up front, I like what I am hearing about 2nd year guys like Solomon, etc. Obviously nothing is proven on the field yet for the young guys or what Bosa can be this year, but I think our front 7 is a lot better today than it was the day the season ended. And I think our secondary is going to be better too which also helps the front guys as well. But hey, if we can get Parsons, then damn I would be excited to say the least. I still think its very unlikely they trade him, and unlikely that if they do we can offer the best package.

If these are the kinds of plays he can make consistently, then he will impact games. Another route he seems to have mastered according to reports is comeback routes, which was also a route he had a lot of success with as a rookie. That is a chain moving route on its own. Add in what he has shown he can also do on a slant, and he could have a decent bag of tricks his sophomore year.

I saw there was a bunch of stuff related to the Blue and Red scrimmage and interviews on Youtube last night, but I haven't had time to watch any yet, but I would check there for the interviews, they usually post the camp interviews there

Agreed and I think this is a fair take on him as well

Really no reason to be a dooche about it - but hey, whatever floats your boat. It wasn't that serious, and again, I didnt get the story from the article, it was being quoted on other Bills pages, and I grabbed the first link I found to avoid retyping the quote so I could copy and paste it. If it turns out that their source was also this link and it didn't happen, so be it. But giving all the attitude about it really wasn't necessary. I own 2 businesses and have 2 kids, doing an internet sleuth due diligence on everything in a society full of misleading stuff is not always in the cards.

I don't think we are far off in what we think about Terry, my original comments were his comparison against guys who at their peak were considered top 5 at their positions in their era or even all time (well still not sure what Rice he was talking about lol). I really do like Terry, so don't want my post to confuse that. And I don't really disagree with much of what you are saying either and totally get your point and perspective.