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Its already been discussed in like several posts since by me and others. WR1 is often referred as a position (X) and also used as a label for their ranking in the pecking order of their team. Beane even used the WR1 terminology about Keon playing the X and also some Z. WR2 is often referred to as the “Z”, with the slot or “Y” commonly referred to as WR3. And receivers will move around and play snaps at multiple of these positions where they obviously play more snaps at one over the others. But Curtis Samuel is neither “WR1” by position or label.

Im not sure what you are referring to, I didn’t make any assumptions about any of your opinions and even specifically said I agreed with one of them. All I did was give a deeper explanation of my original post which was about Samuel more than it was about Keon. I have no issue either with your opinion on Keon even though I had a higher grade on him and liked him coming into the draft. I mean we are talking about a player who’s never taken an NFL snap, all anyone has right now is opinions and none are right or wrong until we see it on the field. For the record: I think Keon has been misplabeled by too many as a “contested catch WR” based on how Florida St. used him and Johnny as twin towers. I think he has the potential is to be a blend of DeAndre Hopkins and Brandon Marshall.

Last week we talked about your favorite non-Bills players, but who have been the players you just couldn’t stand over the years and always rooted against? The ones where watching them lose was almost as good as watching the Bills win.

I didn’t say Keon will lead the team in receiving, I said he is the WR1 X role. MVS is a depth player to add a deep threat speed element when needed. He isn’t our starting WR1 barring injuries. Let me remind you that you originally said “heading into the season”, not how the season finishes. So “hedging your bets” with MVS is irrelevant because that is a statement that if Keon falters they can turn to MVS later. Today it’s Keon’s job. Can he lose it, sure, any player can lose their job through poor performance, but make no mistake about it, it’s 100% Keon’s job right now. And see, you’re referring to the actual position of WR1, which again is again right now Keon, not Samuel. And as far as the top target goes, of course that can be anyone, including someone that isn’t even a WR…but it’s still not Samuel. But once again, nothing about how Brady has discussed using Samuel remotely suggests his plans for him are to be the primary target for the Bills. He has talked about finding ways to get Samuel the ball including as a RB. That isn’t what you say about a guy who they plan to lead the team as a WR1. And your point about the offense and its difficulty are correct, which is why both Kincaid and Shakir are the 2 favorites to lead the team in receiving right now as they have been here already and are the only ones with any experience and connection established with Allen. And the way the coaches, Beane, and players have talked about both Kincaid and Shakir, it seems they see them as primary players in the passing game too right now.

The WR1 is the X WR. Keon is playing that role and will also play some Z, that much has already been stated by the staff. That does not mean Keon will lead the team in receiving obviously. Like you said, he still needs to earn his stripes on the field, which I totally agree with. However, as you mentioned, fans, sports media, etc also like to refer to a teams leading receiver as their WR1 which as you said is not necessarily the X WR, or even a WR at all. Which is why I stated that assuming Samuel is the “WR1” coming in is completely contradictory to how Brady has stated he will use Samuel. Brady has repeatedly discussed having to find creative ways to get Samuel the ball, including as a RB. That is not what an OC has to do with a receiver who he intends to be his top targeted WR, that’s a guy who they need to find ways to get more involved. But without knowing what this offense is really going to look like this year, coming into the season it’s clear Kincaid and Shakir are the top favorites to lead the team in receiving after Kincaid finished 2nd in targets as a rookie and Shakir finished the final 10 games leading the team in receiving. Especially since they are the only ones with experience with Allen and Brady.

Keon entering the season as the X WR1 position isn’t over confidence, it isn’t an opinion, it’s a confirmed fact and not even up for debate. It’s been confirmed by everyone who matters on the Bills staff. Your skepticism of him doesn’t change those facts. Now will he be a successful WR1…well that’s yet to be seen and you are free to doubt how good he will or won’t be this year, but there is no doubt Keon is entering the season as the X WR1 position. And the fact you think Samuel is starting the season as the WR1 is not only completely contradictory to how Brady and Beane have said he will be used, but also not remotely his skill set.

This. It’s not even an assumption, it’s been stated by everyone from McD, Beane, and Brady to all the players on offense that have spoken about it . Motto for the unit this year is “Everyone Eats” meaning who is getting the ball game to game is gonna be different. They will look to attack the weak spots of the defense and take what it’s giving them because we have great depth this year from the WR’s, TE’s, and even all 3 RB’s who can catch the ball and all make plays.

For me it’s an easy answer. Bills NEED their Chris Jones. We need a game wrecker on the DL that can close out games rather than give up easy game ending drives and even lose a lead in 13 seconds. Bengals got past KC because their defense held KC to 3 points second half. Brady and Bucs dominated KC by dominating the LOS in the Super Bowl. Every Bills playoff loss has had one clear theme…losing in the trenches, especially our defense where they fail to get to Mahomes and Burrow the last 3 exits.

They are going to move Shakir around and still have Kincaid to contend with and Allen’s threat as a runner. More importantly, while we may not have a Diggs who would frequently draw extra attention, we are much deeper than in previous seasons. It’s going to be difficult for them to squat on the middle because even out of the slot, Shakir, Kincaid, and Samuel can attack all 3 levels of the defense and the boundaries too. And while you don’t seem to give much thought to Coleman, he will be a difficult cover one on one because of his size regardless of his production. Teams are going to have to cheat some help towards him or he will abuse defenders with his size and body control from his basketball background as well if him and Allen show even some chemistry. So for me, I don’t have a lot of concern about Shakir and Kincaid getting their territories compressed because Allen will make them pay elsewhere if they do. I mean, this is all just opinions all around at this stage because so much of this offense is new and we have not seen them as a group, let alone Brady’s true offensive game plan. But just illustrating why I am less concerned about them having the middle compressed and forced into contested catches.

How is Samuel “probably WR1 going into the season” when Keon is WR1 and Kincaid is the preseason favorite to lead the team in targets after finishing 2nd in targets last year? You also still have Shakir who is the only WR with any real experience with Allen.

This is not a fair comparison or projection though. Shakir was 5th in targets last year, how are you going to project his yards out over 17 games and then compare that to “top 2” WR expected production when that is based on being 5th in targets not 2nd in targets? Shakir had 38 targets only over those 10 games, that projects to just 65 targets on 17 games. You know any “top 2” WR is gonna get more than just 65 targets in a season. 2023 Kincaid was 2nd in targets with 91. In 2022 it was Gabe Davis with 93. That’s an average here of 92 targets. If you use that as your target base for a “top 2” weapon, his stats last year project to 1,250 yards. Gabe Davis, as WR2, finished 3rd on the team in targets in 2023 with 81 targets. Even if you project his stats at just 81 targets as the third option it would still be 1,100 yards last year.

Just saw an interesting stat comparison on IG from one of the Bills fan pages… Said last 10 Bills games: Shakir - 462 yards Diggs - 422 yards Shakir - 38 targets Diggs - 80 targets Not that we didn’t already know how inefficient Diggs has been, especially back half of the last 2 seasons and postseasons, but that is just a crazy discrepancy to have less yards on more than double the targets. To be fair, I don’t expect Diggs to be as inefficient all year in Houston as he was his last 10 games here, nor do I expect to see Shakir be as hyper-efficient as last year with a lot more target volume. But I do suspect Shakir will still be more efficient with his targets here than Diggs was the last 2 seasons for us.

LMAO, I don’t know what is dumber…this post or the fact you can’t tell the difference of admitting an oversight and citing why, versus denying a mistake. But given it’s you, no surprise you can’t decipher between the two 🤣 Even funnier is how that is coming from you in the first place with your track record and then tagging Badol who comically believes he’s infallible is the icing on the cake lmao. I do love how I live rent free in your head though as usual 😘

Thanks!!! Yeah, it’s been quite the change, and it’s gonna change even more in October when his brother gets here, but it’s definitely the best thing to ever happen to me as well and they should only help keep me young chasing these guys around lol

It wasn’t wrong. Read the follow along. It was accurate, just Statmuse didn’t specify it filtered for passing touchdowns. And we were not a scoring powerhouse his first 2 seasons, so it wasn’t a crazy stat and the actual stat was only 8 games different. So really not that obvious for a 6 year career where the first 2 he was learning on the job with bad rosters. The amount of energy some of you are putting into an oversight by the AI on a website on such a trivial stat is bizarre.

Wrong, I did not say any such thing.. I started saying "Someone posted these stats"...I am not the source nor did I claim to be. And the answer isn't technically wrong, it was just an incomplete description to specify passing touchdowns which is a flaw in the AI, not the original author. Actually the only person who wrote a wrong answer was you, with 4 as the actual answer is 6 according to NFL official statistics. 14 was technically correct above, just Statmuse lacked the context of labeling it "passing" touchdowns.

It's 6 games. That is the correct answer according the NFL statistics of games he played in and scored 0 total touchdowns. If you got this question in a sports trivia game, the answer would be 6. I checked and verified it. You can "excuse" what ever games you want, I am only telling you what the correct factual answer is and nothing more. And yes, one of those games was the final game of the season where he barely played and the other was his first game as a rookie where he came in at halftime. And for the record, its 14 games with 0 total TD's for Lamar (before "excusing" any games).

Lol...a bit dramatic don't you think. One, do you really expect Jonnu to see "this attention" lol. Two, you really think Jonnu said this hoping to get attention on a message board he doesn't read? lol. Third, how do you not know who Jonnu Smith is? Lol

Its actually 6 (see more below). Ok, I found the discrepancy. The original post I got the stats from the author used Statmuse for their source of the data and the post is both wrong and correct at the same time. The original poster said "0 Touchdowns", and if you go to www.statmuse.com and type in "How many times did Josh Allen score 0 touchdowns" and "How many times did Lamar Jackson score 0 touchdowns" the answer Statmuse gives you is 14 for Allen, and 23 for Lamar and lists the dates and games with the majority occurring in his first 2 seasons. So the original poster correctly reported the findings that were given...just turns out the AI is making a mistake. For as good as Statmuse is, there is actually a mistake being made here by the AI. Even though it says "touchdowns" which should be all touchdowns by default given there was no specification for either "rushing" or "passing" in the prompt. Statmuse however is still only searching specifically for passing TD's, probably because its falsely identifying QB's only having passing touchdowns without a more specific prompt. If you type in the same prompt with "total touchdowns" instead, it shows Allen as having 6 games with 0 touchdowns. So the original poster of those stats did correctly report the AI findings, but the AI is flawed and associating what should be the broad term of "touchdowns" to be all TD's with only the ones most closely tied to that positions primary category, in this case, throwing the ball. Allen does have 14 games with no "passing" TD's, but in 8 of them he did score at least 1 rushing TD and has 6 total games where he scored 0 TD's. I will go back and make the adjustment to specify passing TD's now that we know where the discrepancy is.

Literally now what I said. Assuming the stat is accurate, I said I would bet those games mostly accrued in his first 2 seasons. If you have an issue with the stat, then either go check yourself or take it up with the person who published these stats that I just simply shared here.

I would bet (haven't actually checked, just a guess) that the majority of those games for Allen were in his first 2 seasons when the roster was weak and he was ascending still.

Lol, this should go well 😂 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10128067-dolphins-jonnu-smith-buffalo-is-worst-place-you-could-be-wings-aint-even-good

Someone posted these stat comparisons with Allen and Lamar - And its crazy to think Lamar has 2 MVPs to Allens none. Seasons with 4000 passing yards: Allen - 4 Lamar - 0 Seasons with 8+ rushing TD's Allen - 4 Lamar - 0 Games with 300 yards + 50 rush yards Allen - 25 Lamar - 7 Games with 2 or more TD passes Allen - 54 Lamar - 32 Games with 3 or more TD passes Allen - 23 Lamar - 19 Games with 2 or more rush TD's Allen - 9 Lamar - 6 Games with 1 passing + 1 rushing TD Allen - 44 Lamar -23 300 yard passing games Allen - 25 Lamar - 4 AFC Player of the Week Allen - 12 Lamar - 10 Games they scored 0 passing TD's Allen - 14 Lamar - 23 (Balt still won FIFTEEN of those games)

100% agree

Weird...I heard here he was Satan himself