Alphadawg7

And just in time as the threads are just non stop bickering of either the same recycled things like we are stuck in the movie “Groundhogs Day” or over the dumbest most trivial things. Which is pretty par for the course this time of year with nothing happening.

I mean in the last 3 drafts, they used 4 of their first 6 picks on offense so they have certainly made an effort to address offense these past 3 seasons at least. And that first draft they had just extended Diggs and Davis was coming off of a 200 yard 4 TD playoff game and the offense had played better after Sanders injury made room for Davis to take a bigger role the back half the season. So at that time, it looked like what we needed was a slot WR and depth. They took Shakir in the 5th to be the future at slot while they signed Crowder to compete to start at slot until injury gave way to McKenzie. They also took Cook in the 2nd when one of our biggest area of need was helping Josh with a run game. Then the next year, they restructured Diggs thinking he would be here still this year and knowing that Davis didn’t step up with his expanded role while battling an ankle injury they went and got Kincaid after a run of receivers in the first. They then further helped Josh taking O’Cyrus in the 2nd when we certainly needed OL help as well. But at this time Diggs was still part of the future plans, hence the restructure to make moving on from him expensive and more difficult. And of course this year. Now for me, I think of all the years that made more sense to take more than weapon/receiver for Josh it was this one given how many picks we had and the depth of the position. But, we also had already signed Samuel too and the Bills have made it clear they are quite high on both Kincaid and Shakir after last seasons breakouts. Personally, I think they wanted to balance all the youth on the team after trading Diggs with some vets as probably the main reason that they didn’t feel the need or want to take another WR this year. I think it just came down to they cut ties with Diggs a season or two earlier than they had planned while they were still adding more weapons while planning to upgrade and move on from Davis and others.

Ramsey! That is who I kept forgetting about. Should have made my honorable mention list at least.

I didn't misread that as that was not was I was referring to nor was it even something I read, it was an interview I watched like I watch almost every Beane interview and press conference. But I can't help but notice you once again deflected away from the main part of the post where you were asked to commit to something. You said Samuels is probably WR1 while also saying you believe Shakir is putting up 900 yards. So are you going to commit to Samuels putting up more than 900 yards given that for him to be WR1 he would have to at least top Shakir? You are always so keen on people committing to takes, so here is your shot to commit to yours.

This is now flip flopping the "priority" comment from prioritizing a position to now prioritizing a specific player. Whether or not you think Keon was "priority" enough or not is irrelevant to the comment made about the Bills prioritizing the position. Now had Beane taken a DB or some other position and got Keon with his next pick, you would have a point. But weighing how much he specifically prioritized Keon is a completely different topic. When a GM makes a small trade back they do so because they have multiple players they are good with taking and know at least one will still be there. Beane verbatim even said this about his initial trade back from 28. Then Beane said that they were set to take Keon at 32 but decided to call Carolina last minute to see if they move up one since it was no secret they wanted Legette. This was confirmed on Embedded when they showed it unfolding. So if you want to doubt how much of a priority Keon specifically was is one thing, to doubt that WR was a priority after Beane stated many times it was and then used his first pick in the draft on one is not accurate.

They extended Diggs to be here still, then restructured him last year that made moving on from him a huge cap hit...why...because they clearly believed he would be here this season still at that time. Now Davis, they knew they had to plan for and they looked to add a weapon last year but a run of receivers went and the best pass catcher available was Kincaid, so they took the weapon. So IMHO I think it is still inaccurate to say it has not been a priority and more that it was they expect to need to replace both Diggs and Davis in the same offseason. 2022 they drafted Shakir to be the future of the slot with Cole gone, 2023 they drafted Kincaid to be another weapon knowing Davis was likely gone this year, and then this year, they knew they needed to draft a WR early because Diggs situation resulted in it being best they move on from him now, even with his cap hit.

History will show it was a 2nd...but the reality is that the Beane took his first rounder and invested it into Keon...to deny that is just a stupid exercise for people what want to be difficult for the sake of being difficult. Beane not only said he was taking Keon in the first before the 1 slot move back, but it was confirmed on Embedded when they showed the footage.

The trivial things some of you get hung up on and want to keep rehashing is comical. But since you want to get all uppity about it..."WR1" actually has NO official NFL designation or meaning...none at all...not as a position nor as a label as you said earlier. It is a slang term...and the only place it is an official term is fantasy football and fantasy football ONLY. But for some odd reason you want to waste all this time arguing the meaning(s) of a slang term.

Listing their cost when our top 3 weapons are on rookie contracts in Kincaid, Shakir, and Keon (with 1 of those being a 5th round rookie contract) is a disingenuous way to judge "priority". You want to talk priority...how about the fact that in 3 of the past 5 drafts the Bills used the first pick in the draft on a receiving weapon for Allen. How about the Bills last 2 first round picks were used to acquire weapons for Josh to throw to. Then there is the fact that they paid Diggs multiple times big money in the 4 years he was here after investing a 1st and 4th round pick in him. They also invested a lot to keep Knox after he came off a 9 TD season and had proved to be a good TE. So yeah...isolating rookie contracts to say the Bills have a low priority in investing in WR or weapons for Josh is on returning a false positive conclusion. It isn't the "low priority" some of you exaggerate it to be by cherry picking obscure facts like this.

Gaslighting? OMG that is rich coming from you haha. FYI: Brandon Beane literally said Keon is playing the "WR1 and X role with some Z" for the Bills...verbatim in one of his post draft interviews. No one spit anything out. But again...this wasn't even about Keon, you are deflecting as usual considering this started by addressing your post that Samuel is probably the WR1. You stated that Samuel is "probably the WR1"...you have now made clear you mean in the sense as being the top receiver for the Bills. Now you have simultaneously told me that you believe Shakir himself will put up 900 yards this season. You have said both these things in the last couple of days. This isn't like an old take vs a new take. You even stated that defenses are going to assign there best corner to cover Samuel...which is an interesting take on its own considering he plays a lot in the slot and backfield and teams don't even always do that with legit WR1's. So no time to waffle now Badol or try some PR spin here about these statements...go ahead and own that and state you believe that Samuel is going to be WR1 and exceed 900 yards...because you can't believe he is the WR1 if you don't believe he will surpass Shakir who you very specifically stated you believe will put up 900 yards this year.

Yes he is IMHO. There are great dual threat QBs in history like Young and Elway, but they were not on the same level as Allen is as a runner. Then there are the others who were amongst the greatest runners like Cunningham, Vick, Lamar. But they are not on the same level as Allen as a passer. Allen is the only QB in NFL history that is both elite as a passer and runner. He can do things as a QB that simply no other QB in history can do. Had he been drafted by KC I have no doubt he would be in the GOAT conversations already like Mahomes because he would have the hardware to go with his talent and probably has even better stats that many of which are already NFL records now.

For me it is in no particular order: Bryan Cox Bill Romanowski Tyreek Hill Michael Vick Honorable mention: Aaron Rodgers, Travis Kelce, Warren Sapp, DeShaun Watson, and Michael Irvin

Its already been discussed in like several posts since by me and others. WR1 is often referred as a position (X) and also used as a label for their ranking in the pecking order of their team. Beane even used the WR1 terminology about Keon playing the X and also some Z. WR2 is often referred to as the “Z”, with the slot or “Y” commonly referred to as WR3. And receivers will move around and play snaps at multiple of these positions where they obviously play more snaps at one over the others. But Curtis Samuel is neither “WR1” by position or label.

Im not sure what you are referring to, I didn’t make any assumptions about any of your opinions and even specifically said I agreed with one of them. All I did was give a deeper explanation of my original post which was about Samuel more than it was about Keon. I have no issue either with your opinion on Keon even though I had a higher grade on him and liked him coming into the draft. I mean we are talking about a player who’s never taken an NFL snap, all anyone has right now is opinions and none are right or wrong until we see it on the field. For the record: I think Keon has been misplabeled by too many as a “contested catch WR” based on how Florida St. used him and Johnny as twin towers. I think he has the potential is to be a blend of DeAndre Hopkins and Brandon Marshall.

Last week we talked about your favorite non-Bills players, but who have been the players you just couldn’t stand over the years and always rooted against? The ones where watching them lose was almost as good as watching the Bills win.

I didn’t say Keon will lead the team in receiving, I said he is the WR1 X role. MVS is a depth player to add a deep threat speed element when needed. He isn’t our starting WR1 barring injuries. Let me remind you that you originally said “heading into the season”, not how the season finishes. So “hedging your bets” with MVS is irrelevant because that is a statement that if Keon falters they can turn to MVS later. Today it’s Keon’s job. Can he lose it, sure, any player can lose their job through poor performance, but make no mistake about it, it’s 100% Keon’s job right now. And see, you’re referring to the actual position of WR1, which again is again right now Keon, not Samuel. And as far as the top target goes, of course that can be anyone, including someone that isn’t even a WR…but it’s still not Samuel. But once again, nothing about how Brady has discussed using Samuel remotely suggests his plans for him are to be the primary target for the Bills. He has talked about finding ways to get Samuel the ball including as a RB. That isn’t what you say about a guy who they plan to lead the team as a WR1. And your point about the offense and its difficulty are correct, which is why both Kincaid and Shakir are the 2 favorites to lead the team in receiving right now as they have been here already and are the only ones with any experience and connection established with Allen. And the way the coaches, Beane, and players have talked about both Kincaid and Shakir, it seems they see them as primary players in the passing game too right now.

The WR1 is the X WR. Keon is playing that role and will also play some Z, that much has already been stated by the staff. That does not mean Keon will lead the team in receiving obviously. Like you said, he still needs to earn his stripes on the field, which I totally agree with. However, as you mentioned, fans, sports media, etc also like to refer to a teams leading receiver as their WR1 which as you said is not necessarily the X WR, or even a WR at all. Which is why I stated that assuming Samuel is the “WR1” coming in is completely contradictory to how Brady has stated he will use Samuel. Brady has repeatedly discussed having to find creative ways to get Samuel the ball, including as a RB. That is not what an OC has to do with a receiver who he intends to be his top targeted WR, that’s a guy who they need to find ways to get more involved. But without knowing what this offense is really going to look like this year, coming into the season it’s clear Kincaid and Shakir are the top favorites to lead the team in receiving after Kincaid finished 2nd in targets as a rookie and Shakir finished the final 10 games leading the team in receiving. Especially since they are the only ones with experience with Allen and Brady.

Keon entering the season as the X WR1 position isn’t over confidence, it isn’t an opinion, it’s a confirmed fact and not even up for debate. It’s been confirmed by everyone who matters on the Bills staff. Your skepticism of him doesn’t change those facts. Now will he be a successful WR1…well that’s yet to be seen and you are free to doubt how good he will or won’t be this year, but there is no doubt Keon is entering the season as the X WR1 position. And the fact you think Samuel is starting the season as the WR1 is not only completely contradictory to how Brady and Beane have said he will be used, but also not remotely his skill set.

This. It’s not even an assumption, it’s been stated by everyone from McD, Beane, and Brady to all the players on offense that have spoken about it . Motto for the unit this year is “Everyone Eats” meaning who is getting the ball game to game is gonna be different. They will look to attack the weak spots of the defense and take what it’s giving them because we have great depth this year from the WR’s, TE’s, and even all 3 RB’s who can catch the ball and all make plays.

For me it’s an easy answer. Bills NEED their Chris Jones. We need a game wrecker on the DL that can close out games rather than give up easy game ending drives and even lose a lead in 13 seconds. Bengals got past KC because their defense held KC to 3 points second half. Brady and Bucs dominated KC by dominating the LOS in the Super Bowl. Every Bills playoff loss has had one clear theme…losing in the trenches, especially our defense where they fail to get to Mahomes and Burrow the last 3 exits.

They are going to move Shakir around and still have Kincaid to contend with and Allen’s threat as a runner. More importantly, while we may not have a Diggs who would frequently draw extra attention, we are much deeper than in previous seasons. It’s going to be difficult for them to squat on the middle because even out of the slot, Shakir, Kincaid, and Samuel can attack all 3 levels of the defense and the boundaries too. And while you don’t seem to give much thought to Coleman, he will be a difficult cover one on one because of his size regardless of his production. Teams are going to have to cheat some help towards him or he will abuse defenders with his size and body control from his basketball background as well if him and Allen show even some chemistry. So for me, I don’t have a lot of concern about Shakir and Kincaid getting their territories compressed because Allen will make them pay elsewhere if they do. I mean, this is all just opinions all around at this stage because so much of this offense is new and we have not seen them as a group, let alone Brady’s true offensive game plan. But just illustrating why I am less concerned about them having the middle compressed and forced into contested catches.

How is Samuel “probably WR1 going into the season” when Keon is WR1 and Kincaid is the preseason favorite to lead the team in targets after finishing 2nd in targets last year? You also still have Shakir who is the only WR with any real experience with Allen.

This is not a fair comparison or projection though. Shakir was 5th in targets last year, how are you going to project his yards out over 17 games and then compare that to “top 2” WR expected production when that is based on being 5th in targets not 2nd in targets? Shakir had 38 targets only over those 10 games, that projects to just 65 targets on 17 games. You know any “top 2” WR is gonna get more than just 65 targets in a season. 2023 Kincaid was 2nd in targets with 91. In 2022 it was Gabe Davis with 93. That’s an average here of 92 targets. If you use that as your target base for a “top 2” weapon, his stats last year project to 1,250 yards. Gabe Davis, as WR2, finished 3rd on the team in targets in 2023 with 81 targets. Even if you project his stats at just 81 targets as the third option it would still be 1,100 yards last year.

Just saw an interesting stat comparison on IG from one of the Bills fan pages… Said last 10 Bills games: Shakir - 462 yards Diggs - 422 yards Shakir - 38 targets Diggs - 80 targets Not that we didn’t already know how inefficient Diggs has been, especially back half of the last 2 seasons and postseasons, but that is just a crazy discrepancy to have less yards on more than double the targets. To be fair, I don’t expect Diggs to be as inefficient all year in Houston as he was his last 10 games here, nor do I expect to see Shakir be as hyper-efficient as last year with a lot more target volume. But I do suspect Shakir will still be more efficient with his targets here than Diggs was the last 2 seasons for us.

LMAO, I don’t know what is dumber…this post or the fact you can’t tell the difference of admitting an oversight and citing why, versus denying a mistake. But given it’s you, no surprise you can’t decipher between the two 🤣 Even funnier is how that is coming from you in the first place with your track record and then tagging Badol who comically believes he’s infallible is the icing on the cake lmao. I do love how I live rent free in your head though as usual 😘