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Post of the offseason...nice work! Literally laughed out loud on this one

Both Allen and Caleb starting will have a lot of people tuning in for the early part of this one

MVS is hard to read right now...on one hand, Allen seems to like him and talked him up a little bit lately and MVS has gotten some more time with the ones. However, on the other hand, he has dropped a lot of passes and easily had the most inconsistent camp of all the WR's. And its not a fluke, he has always had inconsistent hands too. Meanwhile Shavers is getting a lot of hype and praise from the coaches and Allen and getting his own reps with the ones as well. MVS does bring playoff experience and with a young WR room, that may be what saves his spot, but Shavers is making a real push to make the roster too. I am curious to see how many WR's we end up keeping. Part of that too obviously is will the returner be a WR or someone at another position like Hardy. I am also curious to see what Claypool adds to the mix when he is back, but the time he missed is going to make it much harder to make this roster. I think Claypool is going to need to have some flash moments in the preseason games for any shot, and I am not even sure when he is back.

None of this has anything to do with the fact that against bad teams the Bills offense scored 19.6 PPG in 70% of Dorseys games as OC. That is a losing season...that is a team out of the playoffs. That is a team where people get fired. A super bowl contending team does NOT do that. And after the switch we went from well out of the playoffs to division champs and #2 seed. But you still somehow think Dorsey was infallible and not the problem? Bills have been the 2nd highest scoring team in the NFL since Allen's arrival, 2nd only to the Chiefs. But you think its ok for the Bills to average less than 20 PPG against our weakest teams...teams like the Broncos who gave up 70 points a few weeks before they played us? I cant even fathom how you get to this logic. Averaging 19.6 PPG against good teams would not be good enough, let alone teams with a .436 win %. Not to mention Dorsey in 3 games vs the Jets was 1-2 with 2 losses to Zack Wilson where the Bills averaged 17 ppg. Brady first game against the same Jets team we put 32 points and smashed the Jets and had Josh Allen screaming on the sidelines "Im Back!". Meanwhile in the 7 games under Brady to elevate us to the 2 seed and division champs we averaged 27 ppg against the hardest part of our schedule, more than a full TD more than Dorsey did with the same team against the weakest part of our schedule. How you can still sit here and insist things were BETTER with Dorsey than Brady is stunning. IMHO based on your posts, you seem to have made up in your mind that there is only one way to play offense and that is air it out at all costs...doesn't seem to matter if you lose games or how many points you score...it only matters that you pass pass pass and pass deep.

I dont put people on ignore... But you hurdling over valid points with nonsense by you...well that I will agree with you on.

7...of our 10 games...against weak teams with a .436 win %...our offense scored 19.8 PPG and we were 2-5 and should have been 0-7. And you suddenly think McDermott after being the 2nd highest scoring team of the past 4 years in the whole NFL suddenly decided not to score points anymore and over rode Dorsey in those 7 games is the reason we scored less? Come on. Do not know how far fetched that even sounds? I am not a homer, I have been very critical of things that were clear issues like Dorsey in year 1 and year 2. Like Frazier and his lame post season defense. Being optimistic about Brady does not make me a homer, it makes me someone who used his eyes and saw the difference within the team once he took over and believes there is reason to be optimistic about him installing his own offense now. Will it succeed? I don't know. But I do KNOW that Dorsey failed.

Maybe the worst counter to a point I have ever seen on this board.

And how many points per game did we average in our 5 losses and 2 should be losses against Giants and Bucs who both blew the game winning final plays? 19.8 ppg and a 2-5 record against teams with a .436 win %. For a team with Josh Allen and it’s WR Diggs on pace for 1400 yards during that span. Dorsey was a problem and it’s why he was fired.

Oh those pesky facts right

I think what people are also missing is that we have $31m in dead cap tied up in the WRs from trading Diggs. Next year, they have a ton of cap space especially with them being able to get out of Vons deal next year as well. They took a WR who has WR1 potential in the draft. If this season proves we have a deficiency at receiver to the point he need to go trade for or sign a top tier WR Beane will both have the ammo and draft capital to do so as we have all our picks plus an extra 2nd and 2 extra 4ths next draft. And if he is not seeing the value there for a vet, he has that same capital to be aggressive to trade up to get another WR in the draft. I think people have this mindset that what they are doing this year is set in stone for the future, but Beane has never ever taken that approach and always been aggressive to address weaknesses the season has proven the next offseason.

Lol, what are you talking about, I’ve already said I was wrong about Diggs getting traded this year. I fully admit I didn’t think it would happen because of the cap hits being too much if it was this year and that next year I expected he would be gone, and clearly that wasn’t the case. Just like many people thought as well. But I also said it wasn’t impossible, I just thought for Beane to take the hit things would have to get worse behind the scenes. And once he was traded a lot more came out that things did.

Dorsey was fired because he was averaging 19.8 ppg over 7 games that all should have been losses but managed to go 2-5 because Giants and Tampa Bay blew the final play of the game to win the game. Those teams had a combined win % of .436, so to sit there and stick your head where the sun dont shine to ignore the REALITY of what 2023 was that led to his firing by googling some stats from 2022 is about as foolish of an anlaysis one can do. People keep giving you all kinds of actual points that require watching the game, analyzing what is going on...all you do is google some stats and poof think everything is perfect. You do not analyze off a stat sheet, that is a small part of the data. And when you have an elite talent like Allen along with guys like Diggs, Cole, Knox, Kincaid, Davis, etc over the years, you are going to put up points and stats no matter who the OC is. But what happens when that OC gets figured out or a DC has a good counter is what matters. And Dorsey sucked at adjusting. Its already been suggested go listen to people who actually know football like Orlovsky, Warner, etc who did LOTS of breakdowns of both individual games and his tenure overall on all the things that were not working with Dorsey and stop googling some stats and thinking that answers all the questions. Ok...what are you even talking about, Offense has had a great camp. But hey...since you can see the future and are taking a victory lap TODAY before games have been played about how the offense is gonna suck...what is going to be your stance if the offense comes out and looks great this year? You going to admit you were wrong about all the proclamations? My guess from all your past history is no, you won't...to avoid admitting anything you said was wrong, you and some others in here are likely to just go to the same default and say it was "All Josh" before you ever acknowledge anything you said being wrong. Anyone making any concrete declarations of what this offense will or won't be today is playing a fools game. Nobody knows for sure, but there is legit reasons for optimism despite your absolute refusal to admit that.

I mean literally every coach, Beane, Allen, the receivers themselves, the TE's have all spoken about how diversified the weapons are this year. But hey, you do you boo...

Well I meant more if he showed he changed his attitude which was his biggest deterrent. And things change too once guys start getting hurt, makes someone like him more in demand once players go down. And I wasn’t saying all 32 teams would want him, was saying his talent level is where he could make most rosters as he is going to be more talented than most teams bottom WR

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I definitely agree with you that limiting him is a serious impediment to the offense and I think we saw that under Dorsey. But there is a difference between limiting him and reducing the need to run. Josh needs to play free, but even Josh said just recently he doesn't like to run or want to run. He talked about how good his body felt the next day after the Cowboys game like he could play another game the next day vs the usual pain he is in after a game with how much he puts his body through. So its more about not having to need Allen to run so much rather than flat out preventing him from running so much. And that is why they draft a guy like Ray Davis to help take some of the short yardage runs. Its why they are looking to be more efficient in the passing game with guys who can win routes and have reliable hands to help move the chains. Its why they brought in size and variety into his weapon set and drafted guys like Kincaid and Keon. Whether it works or not is yet to be seen. But I think the intent is to let Josh be Josh but just create an offense that results in Josh not having to run as often versus just trying to limit him.

No its not, that is the incorrect interpretation some of you come up with when anything is said that doesn't equate to Josh Allen slinging the ball every play. What he wants is to be able to also run the ball, but that does NOT mean he wants a slow low scoring offense that just plays ball control every single game. Having a run game opens up the pass game, it does not mean he is planning to go run focused football and create low scoring games. That is the McD bias because he comes from a defensive background that many of you make up that is completely contradictory to how he coaches the team, how aggressive he has been as a HC, and how he has spoken about the offense. Even in this quote he talks about being TWO dimensional while you are twisting to imply he wants to be this one dimensional run heavy ball control offense. And for the record...I bet any amount of money that there is not a single coach in the NFL that will disagree with McD's quote you just posted. Not even the back to back SB champion HC Andy Reid would disagree with that.

This is not the case though. You have this obsession with projecting a must win situation for the final 7 games in order for Bills to get back into the playoff race as if everything they did will be replicated and built upon further this year. Everyone from Allen, McD, Beane, and Brady have all stated they don't want Allen running so much and its why they got younger and tougher at RB to compliment Cook as well. Its why they have gone out and prioritized having guys who have reliable hands who can win their routes and make the plays and move the chains. Its why the diversified his weapons to give Allen a bigger tool box vs inefficient guys like Diggs and Davis. We will see if it work or not once the season begins, but this idea you have that they plan to use Allen like Cam Newton is not remotely close to their planned primary offensive strategy heading into this season. Its the polar opposite.

Match the efficiency of Diggs? A big reason why people thought he lost a step was because his efficiency had been on the decline for 2 years and in both years it worse in the second half of the season and even worse in the postseason. And Shakir, was nearly twice as efficient as Diggs last year where he averaged 13.6 YPT to Diggs 7.39 YPT. It is why Shakir led the team in receiving the final 10 games despite having less than half the targets Diggs got. And no that is not the offense McD wants, that is your opinion and it is contradictory to everything McD has stated and done.

Shakir and Kincaid barring injuries are going to flirt with or exceed 1000 yards each and won't surprise me at all if they both go over 1000 yards this season. Keon has 1000 yard potential, but I think with Shakir and Kincaid already having that rapport with Allen, they will see higher yardage totals early where Keon's will likely grow as he and Allen build more chemistry making it harder to reach the 1000 yard mark as a rookie. But I do think he leads the team in receiving TD's with 8+. Assuming no injuries: Shakir 1150 yards Kincaid 950 yards Keon 850 yards Samuel 650 yards

One positive is that hes been willing to play ST and reportedly working hard at that prior to the injury. My biggest concern is can he maintain the same positive mentality, work ethic, and mindset if he isn't getting the opportunities he maybe feels he should get. That has been his issue in the past, maturity and not handling himself well. Talent is there though, so hopefully he gets back in time to make a legit run for the 53 or takes a PS spot if not. I will say this, I think he would likely be poached from the PS if we put him there. Much lesser players get poached all the time, and as injuries happen, some team is gonna bring him in as he is talented enough to make just about any team in the NFL.

I think people are so focused on not having a proven elite WR that they are sleeping on just how good Kincaid and Shakir have been thus far and what their real potential is this year. Add in that Coleman by all accounts has had one of the best camps of the entire rookie class so far with Samuel also having a strong camp, and this offenses potential is really trending up right now. Of course...its just camp...this all needs to be seen when the games get real. But never a bad thing to see our two young ascending players having things written about them like they are "always open" and both having an excellent camp as two guys expected to take big steps forward this year.

I am less concerned about Davis as he had only 2 I think if I am not mistaken and as a rookie adjusting to the speed and strength of the NFL, I can live with a couple early mistakes in camp. Could have just been as simple as him not securing the ball as much as he would in a live game while in practice and got a couple knocked out and I am sure the staff got all over him for that. But haven't heard of any since those 2 at least. Cook however is going on his 3rd year and I know for a fact he dropped 4 would be TD passes during the season last year alone. So this is a pattern that has reared its head in costly fashion in real games. If it continues he may see less targets and Davis and Ty see their targets and involvement increase as we already know McD does not take well to Cook putting the ball on the ground.

Again, almost all draft picks, at least in the first half, address teams immediate needs. Drafting for a need down the road is what is defined as a "luxury pick"...like you don't need him now, but might later. And I know you know that. NFL stands for Not For Long with GM's and Coaches...none of them are going into drafts about how about I pass up these holes on my team and take a luxury pick I don't need that probably doesn't help us get better now and then just hope I don't get fired when we don't improve this year. No disrespect, but you are blurring the lines of a teams draft pick addressing a need and a team passing up much better prospects to reach for a need. Like what Gruden and the Raiders did with Clelin Ferrel for example. What we do know is that AJE was a consensus top 30 player in the whole draft consistently around the early 20's. His average mock draft projection was also in the first round. Bills got him with the 54th pick in the draft. It is silly to even consider that he was not either the BPA or amongst the BPA. Bottom line, it 100% was not an over draft, reach, or desperate move out of need. He was without question one of the best players still available at that stage of the draft by all accounts. I disagree with the bolded, I have absolutely love football, not just the Bills. And I love the draft, so I read and watch a lot of stuff on other GM's too before and after the draft. And I have seen lots of GM's talk about why they traded up being that said player was their highest graded guy, the last first round grade on a player, etc. I have also seen tons say the reason they traded down or out of the first was because they did not have any first grounded left on their board or the drop off was big after that player, etc. And Beane has talked like this now in several drafts himself including Elam and Kincaid as why he traded up in both cases. Every teams early round picks correlate with their needs, not sure why you think that is an outlier with Beane or some sort of flawed draft. And more importantly, Beane has one of the best draft records in the NFL over his tenure as GM. Either way, been a good convo

Dorsey faced that vaunted Jets defense 3 times...we lost 2 of those games to Zack Wilson. In those 3 games Dorsey led offense averaged 17.6 ppg. Joe Brady faced the same Jets defense once and put up 32 points...almost DOUBLE Dorseys average over 3 games where his offense never scored more than 20 in any of the 3 games. And no Dorseys offenses were not better against better competition. And further more, Dorseys offense last year averaged 19.8 ppg going 2-5 (should have been 0-7) against teams with a combined win % of .436 leaving us well out of the playoff race. Brady took over and went 6-1 against teams whose combined win % was over .500 and included wins over 3 playoff teams, the Super Bowl champs, and against 2 teams Dorsey lost to.