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Respectfully disagree...McD isn't known to just say things...if he is planning on playing Josh most the first quarter, I think that is likely what will happen. Its a new offense all together, not just new personnel. They need reps calling live plays in live games as much as they need the reps for creating timing and chemistry. They clearly don't want to risk starting the season slow due to lack of time together, so I expect Josh and the ones will get most the first quarter to work some stuff out. This is what I think is likely to happen...and to get 2 series in will probably take up most the first quarter.

Josh already lives in CA, he actually lives in a gated community down the street from some people I know...Sam Darnold has a house there too. My wife is friends with the his GF's makeup artist, so I am hoping between them or my friends family I can arrange a way to bump into them next offseason ha.

He actually had 2 bad drops just on Wed alone and there have been several other days where there has been reports of drops, including today. So unfortunately its several more than 2. The best thing going for him right now is that Claypool has missed time, but dropping passes keeps doors open for other players like a Shavers, Claypool, Hamler, etc. He still has a legit shot at the roster, but the drops have been an issue in camp so far.

Come on bro...you are the one who came up with some far fetched theory that it was McD interfering with Dorsey as an excuse for Dorsey despite there being zero evidence of such a thing outside your personal theory. I have said Dorsey wasn't working here because... He got fired. So clearly the Bills felt the same. People who actually know real NFL football like Dan Orlosky, Kurt Warner, etc covered extensively what wasn't working with Dorsey and his system. Bills were 5-5 and the offense was in a 6 game skid. In the 5 losses and 2 other games we should have lost if not for Giants and Bucs blowing the final game winning play we averaged 19.6 PPG and were 2-5 to opponents whose win % was .436. Brady came in and the offense scored 32 in his first game against the Jets, the team Dorsey led offense was 1-2 against in 3 games with a 17 ppg average. Brady led offense averaged 27 PPG which is more than a full TD better than Dorseys offense had been doing during the 6 game skid that got him fired. Not only were we 6-1 compared to 2-5, but the win % was well above .500 of our opponents, and they included the SB champs, 3 playoff teams, and 2 teams Dorsey lost to. I don't need inside information to reach a conclusion that Dorsey wasn't working here. It is clear as day from the data, facts, and known information that a change was needed because it was not working. So yes, I do know that it is true Dorsey wasn't working out here because things worked out better when he was gone. I wish him well...hope he keeps improving and goes on to have a good career. He was not working out here though.

What? I haven’t made one claim of what is going on behind the scenes, so what are you even talking about?

Except I’ve done none of that. I don’t need to see what Dorsey does in Cleveland to know he wasn’t working here. Just like players, coaches can learn from mistakes, develop, and become better. I’m not going to condemn Dorsey forever after just 26 games as an OC. But Brady, with the same roster against tougher opponents took the offense out of the muck and rut and we averaged almost 8 more PPG than we did in Dorsey’s 6 game slide. You can chase OC styles…but I will chase results, points, and wins.

Huh? You have yet to even address the facts given to you. You just keep responding with childish banter and nonsense. But you do you boo 😘

I sincerely wasn't trying to twist what you were saying, that was honestly how it read to me. If you meant something else, then fine and fair, I am open to hearing what you meant instead, but that was how I honestly interpreted it. To this I say strike two to you. This is what you made up in your own head, there is no facts or evidence to this what so ever. You can't with any shred of confidence prove this assumption other than to state your personal opinion on why you think this was the case based on how you personally interpreted something McD said one time. And again...to believe this also means you need to believe that after McD saw the Bills be the 2nd highest scoring team in the NFL for 4 seasons, then he suddenly mid season after dismantling the Dolphins decided to interfere with Dorsey and "nerf" his offense into something it wasn't and stuck with it despite the losses stacking up. Which is ironically exactly how I took it the first time your wrote it in which you said was not what you were saying. Yet...the offense didn't actually change on the field in the 7 games...it was the same offense, it just wasn't working. You seem to think when it worked one week and not the next that something drastic was altered and fundamentally changed. It is more like Josh Allen is an elite QB, and he is going to still play at a high level no matter the offense and will have some games where things just go perfectly. The problem with Dorsey and his offense is that it rarely worked perfectly despite the fact it NEEDED to work perfectly. What we saw with Brady was that not everything had to be perfect for the offense to have more success.

😂😂😂 I don’t know what’s worse…this “lesson”…this rebuttal in general…or the fact your tried to flex on this nonsense.

Post of the offseason...nice work! Literally laughed out loud on this one

Both Allen and Caleb starting will have a lot of people tuning in for the early part of this one

MVS is hard to read right now...on one hand, Allen seems to like him and talked him up a little bit lately and MVS has gotten some more time with the ones. However, on the other hand, he has dropped a lot of passes and easily had the most inconsistent camp of all the WR's. And its not a fluke, he has always had inconsistent hands too. Meanwhile Shavers is getting a lot of hype and praise from the coaches and Allen and getting his own reps with the ones as well. MVS does bring playoff experience and with a young WR room, that may be what saves his spot, but Shavers is making a real push to make the roster too. I am curious to see how many WR's we end up keeping. Part of that too obviously is will the returner be a WR or someone at another position like Hardy. I am also curious to see what Claypool adds to the mix when he is back, but the time he missed is going to make it much harder to make this roster. I think Claypool is going to need to have some flash moments in the preseason games for any shot, and I am not even sure when he is back.

None of this has anything to do with the fact that against bad teams the Bills offense scored 19.6 PPG in 70% of Dorseys games as OC. That is a losing season...that is a team out of the playoffs. That is a team where people get fired. A super bowl contending team does NOT do that. And after the switch we went from well out of the playoffs to division champs and #2 seed. But you still somehow think Dorsey was infallible and not the problem? Bills have been the 2nd highest scoring team in the NFL since Allen's arrival, 2nd only to the Chiefs. But you think its ok for the Bills to average less than 20 PPG against our weakest teams...teams like the Broncos who gave up 70 points a few weeks before they played us? I cant even fathom how you get to this logic. Averaging 19.6 PPG against good teams would not be good enough, let alone teams with a .436 win %. Not to mention Dorsey in 3 games vs the Jets was 1-2 with 2 losses to Zack Wilson where the Bills averaged 17 ppg. Brady first game against the same Jets team we put 32 points and smashed the Jets and had Josh Allen screaming on the sidelines "Im Back!". Meanwhile in the 7 games under Brady to elevate us to the 2 seed and division champs we averaged 27 ppg against the hardest part of our schedule, more than a full TD more than Dorsey did with the same team against the weakest part of our schedule. How you can still sit here and insist things were BETTER with Dorsey than Brady is stunning. IMHO based on your posts, you seem to have made up in your mind that there is only one way to play offense and that is air it out at all costs...doesn't seem to matter if you lose games or how many points you score...it only matters that you pass pass pass and pass deep.

I dont put people on ignore... But you hurdling over valid points with nonsense by you...well that I will agree with you on.

7...of our 10 games...against weak teams with a .436 win %...our offense scored 19.8 PPG and we were 2-5 and should have been 0-7. And you suddenly think McDermott after being the 2nd highest scoring team of the past 4 years in the whole NFL suddenly decided not to score points anymore and over rode Dorsey in those 7 games is the reason we scored less? Come on. Do not know how far fetched that even sounds? I am not a homer, I have been very critical of things that were clear issues like Dorsey in year 1 and year 2. Like Frazier and his lame post season defense. Being optimistic about Brady does not make me a homer, it makes me someone who used his eyes and saw the difference within the team once he took over and believes there is reason to be optimistic about him installing his own offense now. Will it succeed? I don't know. But I do KNOW that Dorsey failed.

Maybe the worst counter to a point I have ever seen on this board.

And how many points per game did we average in our 5 losses and 2 should be losses against Giants and Bucs who both blew the game winning final plays? 19.8 ppg and a 2-5 record against teams with a .436 win %. For a team with Josh Allen and it’s WR Diggs on pace for 1400 yards during that span. Dorsey was a problem and it’s why he was fired.

Oh those pesky facts right

I think what people are also missing is that we have $31m in dead cap tied up in the WRs from trading Diggs. Next year, they have a ton of cap space especially with them being able to get out of Vons deal next year as well. They took a WR who has WR1 potential in the draft. If this season proves we have a deficiency at receiver to the point he need to go trade for or sign a top tier WR Beane will both have the ammo and draft capital to do so as we have all our picks plus an extra 2nd and 2 extra 4ths next draft. And if he is not seeing the value there for a vet, he has that same capital to be aggressive to trade up to get another WR in the draft. I think people have this mindset that what they are doing this year is set in stone for the future, but Beane has never ever taken that approach and always been aggressive to address weaknesses the season has proven the next offseason.

Lol, what are you talking about, I’ve already said I was wrong about Diggs getting traded this year. I fully admit I didn’t think it would happen because of the cap hits being too much if it was this year and that next year I expected he would be gone, and clearly that wasn’t the case. Just like many people thought as well. But I also said it wasn’t impossible, I just thought for Beane to take the hit things would have to get worse behind the scenes. And once he was traded a lot more came out that things did.

Dorsey was fired because he was averaging 19.8 ppg over 7 games that all should have been losses but managed to go 2-5 because Giants and Tampa Bay blew the final play of the game to win the game. Those teams had a combined win % of .436, so to sit there and stick your head where the sun dont shine to ignore the REALITY of what 2023 was that led to his firing by googling some stats from 2022 is about as foolish of an anlaysis one can do. People keep giving you all kinds of actual points that require watching the game, analyzing what is going on...all you do is google some stats and poof think everything is perfect. You do not analyze off a stat sheet, that is a small part of the data. And when you have an elite talent like Allen along with guys like Diggs, Cole, Knox, Kincaid, Davis, etc over the years, you are going to put up points and stats no matter who the OC is. But what happens when that OC gets figured out or a DC has a good counter is what matters. And Dorsey sucked at adjusting. Its already been suggested go listen to people who actually know football like Orlovsky, Warner, etc who did LOTS of breakdowns of both individual games and his tenure overall on all the things that were not working with Dorsey and stop googling some stats and thinking that answers all the questions. Ok...what are you even talking about, Offense has had a great camp. But hey...since you can see the future and are taking a victory lap TODAY before games have been played about how the offense is gonna suck...what is going to be your stance if the offense comes out and looks great this year? You going to admit you were wrong about all the proclamations? My guess from all your past history is no, you won't...to avoid admitting anything you said was wrong, you and some others in here are likely to just go to the same default and say it was "All Josh" before you ever acknowledge anything you said being wrong. Anyone making any concrete declarations of what this offense will or won't be today is playing a fools game. Nobody knows for sure, but there is legit reasons for optimism despite your absolute refusal to admit that.

I mean literally every coach, Beane, Allen, the receivers themselves, the TE's have all spoken about how diversified the weapons are this year. But hey, you do you boo...

Well I meant more if he showed he changed his attitude which was his biggest deterrent. And things change too once guys start getting hurt, makes someone like him more in demand once players go down. And I wasn’t saying all 32 teams would want him, was saying his talent level is where he could make most rosters as he is going to be more talented than most teams bottom WR

No.

I definitely agree with you that limiting him is a serious impediment to the offense and I think we saw that under Dorsey. But there is a difference between limiting him and reducing the need to run. Josh needs to play free, but even Josh said just recently he doesn't like to run or want to run. He talked about how good his body felt the next day after the Cowboys game like he could play another game the next day vs the usual pain he is in after a game with how much he puts his body through. So its more about not having to need Allen to run so much rather than flat out preventing him from running so much. And that is why they draft a guy like Ray Davis to help take some of the short yardage runs. Its why they are looking to be more efficient in the passing game with guys who can win routes and have reliable hands to help move the chains. Its why they brought in size and variety into his weapon set and drafted guys like Kincaid and Keon. Whether it works or not is yet to be seen. But I think the intent is to let Josh be Josh but just create an offense that results in Josh not having to run as often versus just trying to limit him.