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Yeah, I think this is undeniable. The way I see it...could they have played together this year again? Absolutely. Did they both prefer a new direction and fresh start, most likely. Are they both happy with the outcome while not carrying any hate or animosity for the other, almost certainly.

We lose to the Chiefs 100% because of what happens in the trenches, not who is lined up at WR for either team. It's undeniable despite many attempts to do so. I think in the past, the culprit was Fraziers defense and his soft approach. In 2023 however, I have to say I think it was less our DL as McD was more aggressive and more our LB injuries that were the issue. Not having Milano and Bernard hurst our pass rush and going into that game we were decimated at LB. Leading up to it I kept saying I was nervous because I expected a monster game by Kelce with XFL level LB's on our team and for the Chiefs to just attack that weekness all day, which is exactly what happened. Kelce was not the same guy he once was last year, but against our rag tag group of LB's he looked as vintage as ever. We just had no answer to the Cheifs going hard to exploit our injuries there both in the run and pass game. Attacking that are of the field is what the Chiefs do best too. We still lost by 3 and were maybe a half second and one stepped on foot away from what could have been the go ahead TD to get past them finally despite the major issue at LB. So for me, if Milano and Bernard play in that game and I am 100% confident we would have won that game and I think we beat Baltimore too. Heck, even if just one of them play I still think we win that game. And I am not making excuses...in 2020 we were not in their league of team yet. In 2021 we were neck and neck. In 2022 all we know is we beat them in the one game we played them. In 2023, we showed we can beat them again and then played them severely short handed and took a very narrow loss where I think the outcome would have been different if we werent missing 2 of our best defenders who were from the same positional group too. I think we are already a better team, but a bad DC and some bad injury luck have been our handicap in the postseason.

You are barking up the wrong tree...I have nothing to get over. He is gone and I think it is good for both teams. You don't want to talk about him...well cool story bro...then don't. You are the one who on his own accord jumped into the thread.

I agree and realize that which is why I am not advocating to trade him nor do I expect him to get traded...just saying why I won't rule it out either because there are factors where it could make sense for the right offer.

I never said poor him...but hey, keep carrying around the scorned ex-girlfriend energy around about it, hope that serves you well lol.

Ha, sorry about that. It is an interesting scenario only because of his position. Any other position the answer would be simple, yes we would at least try and extend him if he was coming off multiple good seasons. But that is the conundrum of RB right now...just has not been a good outcome paying a RB a big contract in the modern NFL. So be interesting to see what his market is and where that falls in where Beane is comfortable or not comfortable getting to.

Yeah he was on pace the over 1400 yards which would have been 2nd highest of his career and was on pace for the most TD's of his career during the 10 games under Dorsey. Which is why I never felt he was "washed" like some did, I think it was just the different styles under Dorsey and Brady. But, my biggest issue with Diggs is his lack of playoff production over his 4 years.

I highly respect you and like you as a poster, so absolutely no disrespect here...but I just can't buy that they elected Diggs to be a team captain if there was some ongoing major locker room issue with him and Allen. Obviously the relationship wasn't without speed bumps, but nobody puts a locker room cancer in the position of leadership, especially under this regime and especially when the issue is with the maybe the most talented and important player in the organizations history. And while I respect those other posters too, saying they can "confirm" this big rift is a bit a strong IMHO when they were not in the locker rooms. I get they heard some stuff about some incidents, but most of that was prior to 2023 where they made him a captain, so whatever it was had to have been hashed out. And look, I have no doubt though that both Diggs and Allen are enjoying their mutual fresh starts. I just think this was one of those situations where they were both on board for a change, but would have had no problem making it work if no trade had been reached and played this season together. Diggs gets to go to an ascending team with high SB aspirations and Allen gets an array of young talent to build the next chapter with where he can play more free without that Alpha personality to consider.

Yeah, I agree with this and I think the issues between him and the staff came down to Diggs losing faith this group was gonna get it done before his career was over. And staring down the barrel of a bloated cap and big personnel changes certainly wasn't going to help ease those concerns and probably only further fueled them. I think Diggs biggest concern was being somewhere in the last years of his career that didn't legitimately give him a chance to win a ring. The one area I think Diggs is misunderstood is I don't at all think he was that "get me the ball over all else" WR Diva that guys like T.O. were that became locker room cancers. I think Diggs genuinely cared more about a Championship than personal stats. But being the competitor and talent that he was, that was easier to swallow when we were winning, but in losses where Josh missed him, or he wasn't as involved, etc I think then it became the mindset had he been more involved it might have changed the outcome and that was where he got frustrated and the most heated. But not over the ego of stats...over the belief he had in his ability to affect the game. I have no ill will towards Diggs...I am happy with the trade, never thought we would get a 2nd for a guy on the wrong side of 30 who didn't finish the season strong last year, so kudos to Beane for getting that kind of value. I think its addition by subtraction because that pressure and frustrated energy I think Diggs carries with him to get a championship became unhealthy for the locker room. With that gone, I think the fun comes back and Josh can play with not having things like that in the back of his mind of what kind of reaction or temperament Diggs is going to have when things aren't going right.

Once he was out of NE he was a lot more likable. And like @H2o said, beating Mahomes made him more likable. And for me, watching him get hammered and throw the Lombardi tropy from a boat to another boat to Gronk made him a lot more fun, relatable, and likable than he had been in the past. While I enjoyed watching everyone slam him during the roast, I also thought he killed it too when he closed the Roast out. The bit about mocking Goodell for spending $20m on deflate gate where he said he should have just gave him the $20m and he would have just admitted he did it was legendary troll job. The Bills Mafia joke was savage yet hilarious..etc etc. I am a die hard NFL football fan too on top of being a die hard Bills fan. So I have always had a great deal of respect for the all time greats even when they played for hated rivals or were arch enemies.

Not sure I follow here...Elam will be competing to take Benfords job, not Rasul who is the best CB on the team. The tandem would be Rasul and Elam if in fact Elam came on and earned a starting spot.

Douglas extension - probably 2 years, maybe 3 Reserved amount for Hyde or another S if Hyde doesn't come back Potential CB signing as we are pretty thin $3m-$4m held in reserve heading into the season

The "drama" here IMHO was still over blown. People tried so hard to make this huge riff between him and Josh, and it was just never to the degree of what it was IMHO. I think the downfall of the Diggs era here had a lot more to do with Diggs losing patience and faith this team had enough to get over the hump at the back end of his career, especially staring down a lot of cap casualties creating a transition period here. Not saying Diggs wasn't a distraction, but I think a large part of that was the media never letting go...always trying to push the issue which led to Diggs toying a bit with them as his way of pushing back. Not saying that was the right approach, but its been who he's been a while now. If we listen to what Beane, Diggs, and others have said, a trade does not appear to have been definite. Sounded more like a trade was being explored but only if it had made sense and both sides seemed open to a new start. I don't for a second think Beane would have traded Diggs if all he could get was a 5th round for example. I mean the fact they elected him a team captain for 2023 says the rift between him and Josh wasn't this huge thing people assumed it was. No way they make him a captain if him and Josh are on the outs. However, I do think both Josh and Diggs though are equally enjoying the fresh start though. I just don't believe there is some deep rift, long term feud, or bad animosity between them like a lot of other people think. I think there is still a lot of mutual respect and love for what they did for each other on the field and their time together even if they a fresh start was really the best path forward.

Let me open by saying I am not advocating for or expecting a Knox trade, but I also would not rule it out. First, under Brady the team ran a lot less 12 personnel last year, so keeping him just for that isn't as critical at this stage. Although, to be fair, we don't actually know what a real Brady led offense is going to look like yet either, so he could have a lot more 12 personnel plans this year. But...and most importantly...Knox carries a reasonable cap hit this year at $7.7m, but that balloons to $14m next year which there is no way we are paying Knox $14m next year. Obviously, there are multiple options to deal with that, and trading him is one of those. Cap wise, it's probably easier to find a trade partner this year. And Knox absolutely has tradable value as he was a productive TE before we drafted Kincaid despite not being a featured part of the offense. The 2 years prior he had 15 TDS and avg nearly 50 rec and 500 yards. He is a good all around TE and would absolutely be an upgrade on a number of teams around the NFL, some with playoff aspirations this year. So right now might be the best market Beane will see for a Knox trade. Another season buried on the target priority list behind Keon, Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel, and our RB's means another down year for production do to lack of opportunity (unless injuries change that) here which puts him next year 2 years out from when he was last productive while carrying a $14m price tag. But...Given our plans, the continued SB aspirations this year, the amount of turnover already on the offense, etc I still don't expect to see a trade happen. But, I would not rule it out for the reasons I already stated, especially since this may be Beane's one shot of getting decent value for him via trade.

I think it may be a typo as teams are not starting their mandatory OTA's.

Good question, and I do think an extension is on the way for him after how Beane restructured his deal to assure he would be here this year. May just be that him and his team are being cautious to not get hurt before the extension is complete. And now that Tre is off the books, an extension could come at any time (assuming one is in play). After investing a 3rd in him, seeing how well he played, his age, his reworked deal to keep him, etc...I would be a bit surprised if he didn't get an extension here soon. I am expecting a 2 year extension, possibly 3.

My favorite post of the week hahahaha Nice Work! Part of the fun and magic of a message board...although I would say this didn't really derail, it was more new info about Worthy was introduced into a thread about Worthy that sparked another angle of conversation. Not sure if you saw what started the convo, but it was the TiKTok video of Worthy flashing stacks of cash and making it rain along with massive gaudy blinged out jewelry. So that combined with the fact he was renting in the original story sparked a convo on how they should handle their finances and living as rookies. So at least there was a cause for the side convo that related to the original subject matter here of Worthy and was totally cordial the whole time But yes, plenty of other threads always go off the rails and usually into worse subjects and usually with a lot of bickering and low brow posting lol

Awesome! My wife and her youngest brother are too, and this was our plan. I am gonna be 48 in July and my wife just turned 30 two weeks ago. So I told her if she wants more than 1, we need to do them back to back as I don't wanna be popping kids out in my 50's lol. And she was all for it given she loved being so close in age to her younger brother. And we were blessed to get preggos right away both times, so it worked out nicely. Although I am a little terrified of having 2 of these things running around here soon, I am already exhausted as it is now hahaha.

My favorite Doyle memory will always be week 3 in 2022 at Miami that was the heat stroke game. On the last drive, Tommy had a torn ACL and played the final 5 plays on a torn ACL because we did not have enough OL to finish the game with only 4 healthy ones. And it is part of why we didn't get the final ball spiked to save a second to win the game on a short FG kick...the OL were so gassed and Doyle was hobbling that they just didn't get set in time and its the infamous Dorsey booth explosion moment too. Even though we lost, I was so proud of what those guys did on the field, the sacrifices they made for each other to try and win that game under some of the most extreme and dangerous conditions I can ever remember in a game. So bad, fans just sitting in seats were getting heat stroke with the over 130º on field temps on the unshaded side of the field. So Doyle is a warrior in my eyes who has had the worst luck missing 2 years in a row with an ACL tear.

Fun topic: Both my wife and I love football. She is a big Niners fan, and I am obviously a big Bills fan and we support each others teams when not playing each other too. So these below are things we have already put on our football bucket list: Go to a Super Bowl (fingers crossed its Bills vs Niners) Attend a Bills Playoff game (hopefully I can do 1 and 2 at the same time) Got to a Niners vs Bills game both in Buffalo and SF Sadly, our shot is this year as SF goes to Buffalo 12/1 but we will have a newborn as our 2nd son is due mid October, so traveling to a game then isn't something we can pull off this year. We have some road game rivalries for each team we want to get in too...like Bills in KC vs Mahomes, Niners at Dallas, etc. This includes going to a each of divisional opponents stadiums to see our teams play them. Now that I will have 2 sons 16 1/2 months apart, getting back into coaching football is high on my list too, but probably a little later when my boys are older. I actually turned down my buddy who was trying to get me to come coach with him at a local high school this past season because I had my hands full between my first born son who just turned 1 last week and setting up a 2nd business. I can't even imagine how busy my life will be when our 2nd son gets here in October lol. So I think coaching is gonna have to wait a little bit longer for me lol.

Ha…I didn’t start this angle and came late to the thread. I joined in when there was a discussion on him buying a home vs putting the money in an index fund…and its just continued here and there which has been an interesting and cordial chat, more so than the typical bickering in other threads about our WRs. I’ve also been a long proponent of young people coming into early money like athletes, celebs, etc to put some of that into long term real estate holdings to both preserve and grow that money vs blowing it on cars, gaudy massive homes they don’t need, their entourage, jewelry, etc. And Worthy seems to already be headed down the road of bad financial decisions based on his TikTok videos where young money spends the money like it will never stop instead of treating it like it may be short lived and spending wisely.

That can be true, by that also depends where you buy. For example, your guy averaged $8k a month in rent…the mortgage was only &1025 a month. Sounds like he wouldn’t have been losing money on the rents even early. So yes, it’s critical you understand the rental market in the area you buy before making that determination…and especially make sure it’s not a rent control area or you could be really screwed. So yes, that’s part of the equation you need to determine when making those decisions. I’ve bought several properties with 10% down where I was pretty much breaking even after mortgage and impounds to start. But, that means any vacancy periods or unexpected repairs will put you in the negative temporarily if you’re not cash flowing yet, so that is where it comes down to what the individual can afford. So like in your example, he could reserve $95,000 and still buy 5 properties and have cash reserves to cover expenses and vacancies. For example, $95k would cover 7.6 years of mortgage payments, which I think we can safely say he will never have that much vacancy. And those 5 properties he did buy for only $95k would have become $6m in those same 14 years. But everyone has to make decisions for how they do it individually, as no two peoples financial capabilities and goals are the same. The point I was making is that focusing on the rent profit/loss is the wrong focus for determining the strongest rate of return. Rental P&L focus should be about risk tolerance and affordability. The more you can leverage within one’s safe financial means, the more you will earn over time. Nobody should ever do what I am suggesting if a couple vacant months or a roof leak puts them underwater. But if you have enough to pay cash for a home, you have more than enough to spread that out over multiple properties and still reserve a sizable safety net so that you are not over leveraged or at risk.

Respectfully disagree bud. Diggs was a team captain last season chosen by his coaches and teammates and the over analyzing of every Diggs interview and tweet goes back beyond last year. And what I said is that people twisted things Diggs would say in an interview or tweet into all kinds of crazy interpretations. You know this is the same board that swore Diggs was mad at Allen after the Bengals game over Josh’s breakup which they also said was because Josh knocked up some waitress. This crazy theory was like a month long thing here last year when there was zero evidence of any of it and nothing ever came of it. Sorry, we don’t get to just conclude that all the crazy interpretations of what Diggs said or did were all true because we traded him. This board claims he said so many things that he never actually said. And Diggs publicly stated he wanted to remain a Bill and retire a Bill this offseason, flat out stated it, even though his team had already been given permission to try and find a trade Beane would accept. And why do you think he said that? Probably because he knew Beane and the Bills were not gonna just dump him and trade him for nothing if they didn’t get a good offer. There was always the possibility he was still going to play here this season. Beane even said this much in interviews as well and told Josh that too when he told Josh a Diggs trade was a possibility but not for sure. So no, I do not think it’s as bad as you think it was. And the Bills accounting sheet is pretty irrelevant, they only had to eat $3m more, it wasn’t that big of a deal to create more financial freedom next year, especially landing an extra 2nd round pick. Something that Beane also has said many times.

Well in the question posed it was asking under the assumption he had a good 2024 already, so nah, you don’t need to wait to answer under the context of how the question was phrased.

I think what @Jauronimois saying that while that return was great, had they not paid cash he could have leveraged that cash and acquired multiple properties or diversified into other instruments to further maximize gains. Using your math you provided, lets assume he still put the full $190k into real estate here but instead did so with a mortgage instead of paying cash. What actually happened based on your post: Initial $190,000 investment to buy in cash - $660,000 in equitable gains (worth $850 now) plus $4K net rent average for 14 years adding $672,000 in rental income. Total return is $1.33M over 14 years. Which is obviously a fantastic transaction that no one will be upset with. Now, had he put say 10% down which is $19,000 he could have bought 10 like properties instead of 1 using the same amount of capital. $19,000 initial investment: Still $660,000 equitable gain. $171,000 mortgage at 6% (assuming no refi or additional payments to pay down balance) would 14 years later have a payoff balance left of $126,000 which would be an equitable principal gain for another $45,000. And given the fact you said he netted $4k on avg in rents, given the mortgage payment is only $1025 a month, we can deduct that $1025 mortgage payment from the $4000 net he averaged and get a new monthly net of $2975 for 14 years which is another $500,000 in rental income. Prop 1 - $19k investemnt: $660k increase in value + $45k in equitable gain from mortgage pay down +$500k in rental income = $1,205,000 compared to $1,330,000 total gain by paying all cash. Now multiply prop 1 by 10 like properties, and on the same $190,000 cash asset he had in 2010 he would have made over $12,000,000 dollars. That is the power of leverage, and it is why rich people still finance everything. But lets say 10 properties was too much exposure for him and wasn't comfortable at that risk level...he could have bought 5 and kept $95,000 in the bank or other investment instruments for rainy days and it he would have actually only invested $95k and netted over $6M in the same 14 years.