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That is some Ricky Williams trade grossness ha. I would buy a billboard to fire Beane if he traded that much for a WR...I would be furious if he traded that much to get a QB even unless it was like the greatest QB prospect the world has ever seen.

Facts are simple...Diggs is NOT a me first WR Diva who is upset about stats. He is a highly driven competitor who is obsessed with winning a Super Bowl before his time is done. He had his best chances over the past 4 years of his career here and the Bills just kept coming up short. He wears this emotion for winning on his sleeve and his biggest character flaw is caring too much about winning, if you can call that a flaw. Bottom line, the past 2 seasons waned Diggs faith and confidence that this team was capable of getting over the hump. In fact, it was clear to anyone paying attention the Bills would have to face a mini rebuild/retool this year for cap reasons and have a hefty amount of roster turnover and could initially take a step back before it could try and step back into the championship window. Diggs, approaching 31, knows his time to help a team win a title is closing. He saw a team like the Texans as an ascending team that has a cheap rookie QB contract and could load up elsewhere to try and win in the short term. For him, that is a more attractive situation. For the Bills...they are able to shed a big contract of player about to be 31 and go into maybe the best WR draft in history to find a new WR1 to anchor on a rookie deal for the next 4 to 5 years of Allens prime. More importantly, they shed the "cloud" that followed Diggs, his teammates, the staff, etc around here cast by the media always hounding everyone in every interview about Diggs state of happiness, him and Josh relationship, etc all trying to get a click bait story. Furthermore, Josh and Brady no longer have that back of the mind pressure to get Diggs so many targets either. The focus can be on young talent and spreading the ball around and also getting Cook his touches. This should be seen as a win win by both Diggs and the Bills. Had the Bills waited another year, best they would have gotten is a 4th round pick too. This was a sell high move by the Bills and I think this team will be a better team moving forward offensively and have more fun again. Just like I think Diggs will feel refreshed and fired up at a new opportunity to go get a ring.

So no matter what, this draft was going QB picks 1-3 then MHJ, Nabers, Odunze for picks 4-6. Interesting

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Curious...lets say I don't swap 4th and 6th picks with you...and I instead take MHJ at 4 just like you did. So that means Chargers still go Nabers as the board is still the same for them. What would you have done at 6 in that case? Would you have taken Odunze at 6...McCarthy...or another position all together?

Raiders were only luke warm interested, they find Uncle Rico fun and they think Aidan has some potential. What they would be willing to give up didn't match what we would have liked to have seen in order to not take someone as talented as Odunze in this spot. We had no contact with the Saints, and when they didn't respond to our bat signal of hitting us on the beeper with the code: 80085, we knew they weren't gonna bite because no one in NO passes up seeing or showing their 80085. Now Rome is being built in the desert in AZ!

With the 6th pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select: Rome Odunze, WR, Washington CLICK HERE FOR HIGHLIGHTS As a GM I have developed a crush on Odunze who is a total package WR and has the best ball skills in the draft. The last time we saw a WR this complete come out, we were lucky enough to draft him in Larry Fitzgerald, and Odunze brings that and more speed. We knew trading back to 6 would guarantee us one of the big 3 at WR, and we are more than thrilled to be adding him to our roster while also picking up additional picks in the 3rd and 4th rounds of this draft to help build the team up around our QB Murray and our new top weapon in Odunze. Other players we considered here were Dallas Turner, EDGE and Joe Alt, OT but ultimately we just couldn't pass on the elite traits Odunze brings to our team. @qwksilver and the Tennessee Titans are now on the clock.

No trade here...Im just weighing options right now and kind of playing some draft scenarios out to see what direction I want to go here. I will be keeping this pick, would have only moved it if Vikings wanted it, and I already know Kirby has no interest in McCarthy even at 11 let alone on a move up HA. So pick will be in shortly...

I mean there is a good chance in the real draft they trade down with the Vikings and don't pick again until 11 where there is no assurances either of the big 3 WR's are on the board. But they would also have 3 first round picks at min at that point and could take say Odunze or Thomas...or go and get a stud CB or DL prospect, 2 other biggest needs and then go get Thomas after and still have pick 27 to add yet another player. This is why I have found it puzzling a lot of people have AZ locked in on MHJ at 4 because moving back does a lot more for their team who isn't a WR away from competing and they still get an elite WR prospect in each of the likely trade back scenarios.

The Cardinals are not a MHJ away from contending as the roster is a bottom tier roster, they can safely make this trade back and still get an elite WR prospect, and TBH, they don't even need to go WR at this pick, they have 2 first round picks and now 2 3rds, and 2 4ths later too for them to double down on a WR. And, if they made this trade and Giants didn't go QB and went MHJ, they is nothing saying they still wouldn't trade back with say Vikings and get another first (giving them 3 total) if Chargers take Nabers/Odunze. Cardinals could still take someone like Thomas and have 2 more first rounders to go with their 3rd and 4th round picks they just stacked. But I know Kirby hates McCarthy, so Vikings won't be trading up in this draft with Chargers or AZ lol. In the real draft though, both Chargers and AZ picks would be prime spots for Vikings to go get a QB (unless they also don't like McCarthy lol).

I never thought to ask you who you were gonna take at 4, just assumed it was McCarthy. So this one was a fun surprise. I do think that the two most likely teams to make a trade with the Cardinals are the Giants and Vikings come the real draft. But I would assume the Giants would do it to get a QB, but maybe you are on to something, they are in need of playmakers in the worst way.

OFFICIAL TRADE: Cardinals and Giants are swapping picks and @BuffaloBillyG and the New York Giants are now on the clock. Details of the trade below. Cardinals send: #4, #138, #162 (1863.6 value points) Giants send: #6, #70, and #107 (1920 value points)

TRADE ALERT: Arizona Cardinals have submitted a trade for approval. Twitter is swirling with Rumors that it is the Bills and includes Josh Allen and multiple first round picks headed to AZ. Rumors started flying that someone associated with the Bills named @KDIGGZhas been pushing for this after tiring of Josh Allens lack of offseason workouts. Its all rumors right now, but thats what people thought about Diggs and look what happened...stay tuned to find out the mystery team.

He has also wowed guys like Jordan Palmer and Kyle Allen when they have seen him train or trained with him.

You do know this is maybe the best WR draft in NFL history right and there isn't a place anywhere in the first round where a team can't get a true high quality WR1 prospect. So the Cardinals are currently weighing all options on a team utterly devoid of talent

And honestly that’s what I think is going to happen on draft day. Or maybe even Giants to beat Vikes to a QB if they make the decision to get a QB.

Well the object is make the best moves for the team, not make the most picks for fun. But I get it too. Now shut your **** blocking mouth, you’re putting salt in my game 😂🤣😂

One more pick away just like a deep booger. Cardinals number 4 pick is still open for bids for those looking for that elusive QB. Don’t wait and miss out on a QB like a loser

Making it known now…Arizona Cardinals will listen to offers for the #4 pick. So if you’re looking for a QB hit me on my Motorola pager with the code 80085

I’ll take the Ravens as a 2nd team if you need it

Thanks for sharing. One key difference is Shakir is built quite a bit different than those other ones. I think he can be the outlier, I really do in terms of overall career. I don’t think he should be a primary boundary WR though or even there 50%. I said he can move around but will still eat primarily from the slot. I just think he can do more from the slot than a typical “slot” only guy and be a dangerous weapon there.

Polk McConkey Thomas Jr Mitchell Yes this draft is loaded which is why I don’t like the idea of an expensive move up.

Came here to say this. He has great ball skills and knows how to go up and get the ball, something of great value that isn't on our roster right now.

Nice work...and I think it only further shows that there is just no proven history that going all in to get a WR is the recipe. Granted, there were a couple near misses like Julio Jones who absolutely should have won...although the irony is not lost on me that the REASON they lost was because they kept THROWING the ball haha. Oh Kyle Shannahan what were you thinking. And when you go down this list, what stands out the most is that very few teams had an elite WR1, most had someone ranging from pretty good to pretty meh. Just further showing that maybe this board puts too much emphasis on getting that absolutely elite WR. And to be honest, it gets back to the original point by the OP...that maybe the best recipe is not that elite WR who commands a lot of targets and there is an effort to always get them the ball. History seems to show that maybe not having to force feed someone plays out better on the field where the QB spreads the ball around multiple guys and takes what the defense is giving them. Ha, well thanks for the time to read it, I am glad you at least didn't feel like it was a waste of your time

I get where you are coming from, but Owens and Moss don't qualify for what I am saying. Eagles didn't trade a bounty for TO, nor did the Patriots to get Moss who only spent a 4th round pick. And of course, they never won a Super Bowl either. So not that your points aren't valid, I think maybe you misunderstood the basis of my point of when teams give up a ton of draft capital to go get a WR that then diminishes their ability to continue to build the rest of the team. For example, anytime someone can go get a "Randy Moss" player for a 4th round pick and has the cap room to make it work, its a no brainer. But how often does a trade up to draft Julio Jones or big trade for a Tyreek Hill result in a Super Bowl? Answer is quite frankly never has. The reason I bring this up is we have to weigh the cost vs the return. Is it really necessary to go get a top 15 WR in the draft and give up 2-4 premium picks to do so? Well, only one team in the last 20 years even had a top 15 drafted WR1 in Mike Evans despite there being some great WR drafts over that span with some great WR's to come out of them early in those drafts. Consider the year we got Diggs. That draft, everyone here wanted us to use trade the farm to move up to get one of Ruggs, Jeudy, or Lamb because everyone knew none would make it to us, including Beane. Well...lets see how that worked out: Bills - we sent a pretty big trade package to Minny to get Diggs and then paid him a lot of money while Allen was on a rookie deal. Diggs emereged as a top 5, arguably top 3 WR during at least 2 of those years, and we only made it out of the 2nd round once in 4 years. What if we had instead traded up for one of the big 3: Ruggs and Jeudy - Ruggs is in Jail and Jeudy sucks compared to his hype and has been a mediocre WR. Lamb - Was being questioned if he was truly a WR1 until finally this year, his 4th season. Dallas has won even less than we have and they had multiple seasons with Cooper and Lamb. Best WR's in the draft ended up being people on the board at our original pick in Jefferson and Higgins. Lamb finally entered the debate now with Higgins on who is better, but up until this season it was Jefferson and Higgins. Trading up in that draft would have been a huge mistake and not returned the value of Diggs. Trading for Diggs worked out to help us win more games, but ultimately it delivered 4 disappointing playoff exits, none of which was because of our WR group. We lost in 2020 because we were the worse team 2021 we lost because of our defense 2022 we lost in the trenches and not being able to run the ball in bad weather 2023 we lost because he had no linebackers and couldn't even get Mahomes jersey dirty. The most correct thing to do was not trade for Diggs and stay put and take Jefferson. Doesn't mean the Diggs trade was bad or wrong, but not giving up draft capital and taking Jefferson on a rookie contract was more correct. But, again, Diggs trade makes more sense as no one knows how those rookies will turn out until they hit the field. Look around at other big moves to get a WR...Even a lesser cost of Hopkins to AZ when he was arguably the best WR in the NFL and at least top 3, did very little for them although they only gave a 2nd. Clevelands big trade for OBJ didn't do much either, neither did Antonio Brown to the Raiders, or Amari Cooper also in Cle. I mean the examples can keep going on, I am just trying to name more of the most recent ones. To be 100% clear, I want a WR early in this draft too, we all do. I would love to get one of MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, or Thomas...I just don't believe we should gut a lot of premium draft capital to do so because this team needs more than just one of them to get over the hump, its proven that already the last 4 years. And when you factor in how great this draft is, historically great, maybe the best of all time in talent and depth...it gets even more illogical to gut our draft capital on a team who needs to keep restocking young talent given for cap management. IMHO next years first should be really near our max, and only because we have two 2nd's next year now, so moving the first hurts less. But even so...imagine in 2025 having our first and then probably an early 2nd (Vikings) and of course our 2nd all next year for this roster, we could really load some talent up on this team. That could be what puts us over the top even. And we still would have added some exciting WR(s) in this draft too. For the record...if on draft day I see we make some big expensive move to get someone like Nabers, I won't be mad, adding Nabers would be incredibly exciting. I will however be concerned that the cost may outweigh the reward because we will need to keep building through the draft to find playmakers and elite talent elsewhere on the roster because we won't have cap room to sign them in FA.