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He’s 4 years older with a history of neck injuries…he’s not getting the Crosby deal IMHO

Well my main point was that those 10 TD's for example are going to be scored by this offense no matter what. Doesn't mattter if its a top 5 WR getting them or if its spread around other guys, or its Allen or Cook running them in, etc. We score those TD's already, you are more just changing whose stat sheet records them, not generating an additional 10 TD's we were not previously already scoring. But on defense, adding more negative plays such as sacks, TFL's and also pressures (which wasn't initially included but comes with sacks and TFL's increasing) will reduce opponents scoring, increase the effectiveness of the rest of the defense as QB's tend to make more mistakes under more pressure or the threat of pressure. And by default that also gives our offense more scoring opportunities by getting off the filed on 3rd down more times rather than allowing extended drives, especially given our defense was amongst the bottom of the league in 3rd conversions and first downs allowed. So the defensive guy in this scenario does more for this team...both defensively and offensively by giving the offense more TOP through getting off the field more, and with more TOP they have more opportunities to score. And IMHO the debate really isn't even close in this case as to which player benefits the teams overall success more.

Someone on our team will already account for the 1000 yards and 10 TD's...we have the highest scoring offense in the NFL the past 5 years, 16th most PPG in NFL history in 2024. But no one on our team is getting us those sacks and TFL's. We need that more than anything. 4 highest scoring teams in NFL history did not win the SB. 1 and 2 got shut down, even one blown out, in the SB by conservative offenses with strong defenses. 3 and 4 didn't even reach the SB. Only 3 teams in the top 10 scoring won a SB. Mahomes best season as a QB and offense they didn't even reach the SB. Yet the went to 3 straight with a medicore offense and won 2. So history and statistics say otherwise that more scoring is the easier path over improving the defense.

Hopefully we go sign Punt God back...oh wait... Too soon?

Yeah, I have a hard time seeing them get a first. The only thing that had me concerned was like a week or so ago, believe even in this thread, there was allegedly buzz Packers were prepared to offer their first and Doubs or Wicks which in my mind no one is gonna match or beat. But the reality is these guys don'g get traded for as much as people think they will most of the time. Look at all the Myles proposals...all these people keep foolishly throwing in guys like Groot, Milano, or Cook into our trade offer totally oblivious to the concept that there is 0% chance Browns want salary back, espeically high priced ones or ones where they are due big contracts. Their cap is crushed for 3 years, with the first 2 years being the worst, with just the Watson contract alone. Browns won't be able to build a competitve roster in a division with Lamar and Burrow plus the Steelers for at least 2 to 3 seasons at the absolute earliest. They are going to just lose and increase their draft capital while shedding the cap hell they are in to build as much young talent as possible. Browns most likely will carry near or above $100M in dead cap the next 2 seasons between Watson and trading Myles. Yet people keep proposing deals with Cook and Rousseau both due big deals during that time...guys who are not even probably worth the money they will demand by the way and they wouldn't likely keep My guess if DK gets moved, because he needs a new deal on top of it, the top end of the trade comp is likely get a 2nd and some change...either a player or another day 3 pick. But, if the Packers rumor is true of their first and a WR, I can't see us, or anyone, competing with a better offer. And all it takes is one team to really covet a player for a team to get more than expected.

Hahaha...touche....yes I concede much better. I almost used this one but was worried the poster would think it was directed at them rather than the tweet lol

He wont be underrated on draft night IMHO and he is on my short list of WR's I want on day 3 in the draft this year. But I think he is going to go earlier than people are mocking today. He is the kind of guy GM's don't want to see people talking about because they don't want his stock to improve. If the Bills want him they not sure how they get him as I do not think he will get to our pick in the 4th. And with his size and speed and after BTJ rookie season, it wouldn't surprise me if he was gone before the 4th especially if buzz picks up.

They were saying a first earlier in this thread plus Doubs or Wicks...that is the offer I was saying I doubt we would be able to best if that turned into a real offer. If its a 2nd and Doubs we can be more competitive and get in the mix.

What? At no point was Keon the end all be all final WR piece. We lost 2 starters in Diggs and Davis in one offseason, you think drafting a WR in consecutive drafts means we missed on the first one? LOL...we were always going to be adding another WR this year...always. We only had one last year (Shakir) and added around him with some lower cost vets and a rookie because we had $31M in dead cap invested already at WR from the Diggs trade. I honestly don't get how people come to these kinds of conclusions. Cooper and Hollins are FA's...we still need to add more WR's, and we will. It literally has nothing to do with Keon.

Yeah...wouldn't advise that lol unless you want to waste your first round pick. While a good get he would be for us, that doesn't mean it translates to fantasy dominance either. I mean he isn't going to explode in terms of fantasy numbers with Allen. Not in this offense, and that is not Allens strong suit either.

If he comes cheap to be part of the rotation here on a contender, I would be fine kicking the tires. Anything other than that is a hard pass.

Lol, come on lets not get crazy. Thats an insult to Megatron. DK is not in Megatrons class, not by a mile. I would love to land DK...but come on, Megatron has a strong case for top 10 all time and DK isn't even top 10 in todays league.

Agree, if Kincaid gets the deal done, do it. But, I am doubtful they would want Kincaid, they already have Fant who they don't utilize as much as they should. So I am skeptical a 2nd TE is going to move the needle much over better draft comp or other offers for them even if they feel Kincaid is a better receiving threat. Also, if the Packers really are going to offer their 1st and a young WR as had been rumored for a week or so, I am skeptical we would put out an offer that could best that offer IMHO.

Bingo

Go get DK and right the wrong I was screaming about on draft day where at both our picks I was pounding the table for DK and then continued to pound the table to trade back into round 2 for DK after they took Ford. I still am in the camp of if it can only be one...Myles or DK...then go get Myles. But I am also in the camp of go get one of them at least...and please let the football gods let us get both!

Ha, nice wishful thinking...never going to happen.

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Haha yeah that was my point, he isn't gonna be a fan about that based on his past comments in other stops

He’s not coming to Buffalo. He doesn’t like not being the focal point and he wants to be on the West Coast for his family. Would I support signing him…sure…it’s just not in the cards IMHO

You are ignoring the context when referencing drafting WR's. Beane used a 1st and 4th to get Diggs, we had Cole who was in his prime and one of the best slots in the NFL while here. Early on they nabbed Davis who began contributing as a rookie to go along with the Vets they had along side Diggs. That is all very important context when referencing all those late round picks at WR. The only guys they drafted with the intent to potentially be a significant contributor as a receiver were Davis, Shakir, and Keon. All went on to be starters. But none of this matters in terms of the discussion on what the bigger issue about getting over the hump has been...which is without question the defense, and its not even debatable if I am being honest. Getting an impact player on the defense that can help the defense just get off the field one or tow more times a game on 3rd down would significantly change the outcome of all our playoff exits. Even just making one more play to get off the field on 3rd down instead of allowing a scoring drive would have swung our last 3 KC losses. And every time our defense gets off the field, our offense goes back on it with a chance to score. So by improving the defense you are going to help the offense. We need an impact player who is capable of affecting just one or two more plays a game and this team beats KC by double digits each of the last 3 losses.

Burrow, Chase, Higgins - No playoffs for 2 years. Meanwhile, Mahomes, Allen, Lamar are all having more success with nothing close to the weapons he has had. If I am the Bengals, I am certainly looking at Burrow and saying you got Chase, we shouldn't need to invest another $26M into another WR, we should be spending that money to bring in help on the D, OL, and RB to bolster the team around you and then adding some quality cap friendly WR's in FA/Draft to fill out around Chase.

I get where you coming from, but the defense is by far the bigger issue. I mean we fielded the 16th greatest offense in NFL history in 2024. Asking them to be much better to carry a team that can't defensively do anything right is asking your QB to always be perfect...and also the refs. When your defense keeps giving up points, even something as simple as a bad or missed call by a ref can completely swing the game. I look at it as a boxing title fight...don't leave the fight in the hands of the judges, and if you want to beat the champ you need to really beat the champ. Keeping it close is putting too much of the outcome in the hands of luck, perfection, etc. More importantly - The Bills are giving up an average of 35 points PPG to the Chiefs in playoff losses, and of those 4 losses, the Chiefs went on to lose the very next week 3 of those times where that same Chiefs offense averaged just 17 PPG in those losses. Now lets look at what you are asking of the offense and what we would be asking of the defense...if we invest more into the offense in hopes of scoring more...you are asking for more scoring drives. Well we already score a lot, so that means drives where we punted or turned the ball over. Most, if not all, of those drives would require a lot more successful plays in those drives for them to turn into scoring drives. So not only are you asking the offense to convert the first down, you are asking the offense to continue the drive into a score. Sure, its possible that could be one big play, but most likely you are talking about a series of plays, especially in this style of offense. However, on defense, we need one guy who can make just literally one more play (or whose presence allows another player to make the play) in an entire game that allows the defense to hold on 3rd down instead of giving up a first and letting the drive continue into a score. Just one more defensive play on a drive that forces the Chiefs off the field instead of surrendering another score would swing our last 3 losses to the Chiefs into wins. Now imagine that they were able to get off the field on 3rd and force a punt instead of surrending another long scoring drive twice in one game. You are talking about literally 2 plays in an entire game that take 2 scores off the board, not to mention, get our offense back on the field with momentum and chance to score again. So, for me its much easier to envision the impact of an elite defensive player having a higher chance of affecting the game then asking the 16th best offense in NFL history to keep trying to be perfect while also hoping the refs don't also screw up and swing a close game like they also did this year. And don't get me wrong, I would be excited for Metcalf if he wound up here. But, for this team, its struggles against KC...the elite defender is a no brainer first choice if you have to choose between the two. I mean Myles is a top 10 player in the league...DK isn't even top 10 at his own position.

Dont get me wrong, I agree with you about 2024...not taking anything away from him in that regard. But for example, I think its unrealistic he has anywhere close to the same season had he played in Rasul's spot in Buffalo in 2024. That is why I said he benefited from being on the top defense as the guys around a CB certainly impact them and how they perform as well. Just like how on a much lesser D 2 years ago he looked on his way out. So while he was great in 2024, being on the #1 D certainly IMHO contributed to his ability to bounce back and throw down one last great season in a long great career. And for us, as we both agree, relying on a 35 year old to repeat the same season on a new team with a lesser defense isn't something a team trying to get over the hump should be relying on.

He benefited from being on the number 1 defense. It looked like he lost a step 2 years ago. Depth signing…sure. 35 year old starter we need to depend on for 20 games…no thanks.