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I am less concerned about Davis as he had only 2 I think if I am not mistaken and as a rookie adjusting to the speed and strength of the NFL, I can live with a couple early mistakes in camp. Could have just been as simple as him not securing the ball as much as he would in a live game while in practice and got a couple knocked out and I am sure the staff got all over him for that. But haven't heard of any since those 2 at least. Cook however is going on his 3rd year and I know for a fact he dropped 4 would be TD passes during the season last year alone. So this is a pattern that has reared its head in costly fashion in real games. If it continues he may see less targets and Davis and Ty see their targets and involvement increase as we already know McD does not take well to Cook putting the ball on the ground.

Again, almost all draft picks, at least in the first half, address teams immediate needs. Drafting for a need down the road is what is defined as a "luxury pick"...like you don't need him now, but might later. And I know you know that. NFL stands for Not For Long with GM's and Coaches...none of them are going into drafts about how about I pass up these holes on my team and take a luxury pick I don't need that probably doesn't help us get better now and then just hope I don't get fired when we don't improve this year. No disrespect, but you are blurring the lines of a teams draft pick addressing a need and a team passing up much better prospects to reach for a need. Like what Gruden and the Raiders did with Clelin Ferrel for example. What we do know is that AJE was a consensus top 30 player in the whole draft consistently around the early 20's. His average mock draft projection was also in the first round. Bills got him with the 54th pick in the draft. It is silly to even consider that he was not either the BPA or amongst the BPA. Bottom line, it 100% was not an over draft, reach, or desperate move out of need. He was without question one of the best players still available at that stage of the draft by all accounts. I disagree with the bolded, I have absolutely love football, not just the Bills. And I love the draft, so I read and watch a lot of stuff on other GM's too before and after the draft. And I have seen lots of GM's talk about why they traded up being that said player was their highest graded guy, the last first round grade on a player, etc. I have also seen tons say the reason they traded down or out of the first was because they did not have any first grounded left on their board or the drop off was big after that player, etc. And Beane has talked like this now in several drafts himself including Elam and Kincaid as why he traded up in both cases. Every teams early round picks correlate with their needs, not sure why you think that is an outlier with Beane or some sort of flawed draft. And more importantly, Beane has one of the best draft records in the NFL over his tenure as GM. Either way, been a good convo

Dorsey faced that vaunted Jets defense 3 times...we lost 2 of those games to Zack Wilson. In those 3 games Dorsey led offense averaged 17.6 ppg. Joe Brady faced the same Jets defense once and put up 32 points...almost DOUBLE Dorseys average over 3 games where his offense never scored more than 20 in any of the 3 games. And no Dorseys offenses were not better against better competition. And further more, Dorseys offense last year averaged 19.8 ppg going 2-5 (should have been 0-7) against teams with a combined win % of .436 leaving us well out of the playoff race. Brady took over and went 6-1 against teams whose combined win % was over .500 and included wins over 3 playoff teams, the Super Bowl champs, and against 2 teams Dorsey lost to.

Again, almost 100% of all draft picks have "need" built into them for every team. No team is drafting a guy they 100% do not need in any capacity, especially in the first half of the draft unless they are SB champs with a stacked roster and have the luxury of taking an abundance at one position which is rare, but even then usually an anticipated need maybe in the next season or two based on people they expect to lose to FA, retirement, cap reasons, etc. AJE was a first round projected DE and top 30 graded player by almost all accounts heading into the draft. He was great value where we got him...to dispute he wasn't either the BPA or amongst one of the BPA at our pick is silly. And getting pressure on the QB was our biggest weakness. So it definitely aligned. Now with Elam, without a doubt CB was our biggest need and you can make a case we made a move to fill that "need". However, one thing that has been consistent with Beane is that he is a straight shooter and he specifically stated that Elam was the last first round graded player left on his board (remember we are picking late and there are not normally 32 first round graded players in drafts). So on Beanes board he was the literal BPA, its been stated by Beane and confirmed with draft footage as well. Now, I bolded that part above because as you stated that was your opinion based on your own thoughts on who was BPA, which is totally fine and fair. But on Beane's board, Elam was the literal BPA and that is who he made the move to get, especially since he was the last player with a first round ground on his board as well. So he still went BPA even if you had someone else as your personal BPA. And Beane also said he didn't enter the first round set on taking a corner, but that is how the board fell. Totally up to you on how you want to take Beane's word on that, but its not like he said that later to cover himself for Elam starting slow, this was all stated during and after we took him.

You are back tracking here to keep cherry picking small parts of data to paint a picture that the full data does not conflicts with. First you talked about the the first 2 picks, now you are including a year where Beane was not the GM so you can include Tre and then also now only discuss the first pick and also go back to leaving 2023 and 2024 off again where it was again offense. I get it, you have your mind made up. And hey, that is fine, nothing wrong with that as everyone is entitled to their own opinion, everyone does it. But my philosophy is when one has to cherry pick tiny parts of data in order to paint a narrative that complies with their opinion that the full data maybe doesn't support or contradicts, then maybe those are the times to be open to reevaluating, adjusting, or expanding that initial opinion through evaluating the full context, data, and/or history of said discussion. In this particular case, it doesn't mean you would suddenly have to agree or like every move Beane made, just means that maybe its not as skewed as you initially thought when factoring the full context and history.

Actually, everything I wrote removes that fact, not sure you read the whole thing. You can't seem to understand that the years you are hung up on Beane was rebuilding an entire roster and can't seem to accept that includes having to address the defense as well. And now you want to project that as if it means he cares more about the defense than offense, when actually he had invested more in the offense than defense, especially as Allen entered his prime. All good, everyone entitled to their opinion, but there is context you are overlooking IMHO that is affecting your opinion.

I totally agree drafting for "need" and taking players out of need over better graded players is a bad strategy. But you can't argue that about any of those draft picks outside of Basham. Nor were many of Beanes picks bad either. BUT...EVERY pick is a "need" pick. Bills are not taking a QB first round for example. This idea that BPA does not involve some sort of need for the team is just not a real thing. Ford was a first round graded player, and I mocked Ford to us in the 2nd ahead of the draft and this board mocked me up and down about he would never reach us. And I was someone who wanted DK badly that draft...but even I was fine with the Ford pick given he was right there as BPA and our trenches were embarrassingly bad the year before. AJE again, was BPA and someone projected to go in the first round. It was not a need stretch it was a good pick and we followed it up going all offense until the final pick of Dane Jackson.

You are hiding in "season totals" while ignoring that Dorsey led offense averaged 19.8 ppg in 7 games in 2023 that led us to being 5-5 and nearly 3-7 over that stretch against weak opponents. His firing was more than warranted and honestly a few weeks later than it should have been. He did not. Allen was never used "extensively" on the ground for one by anyone. He was still a pass first QB, always has been. 2nd, the biggest change was incorporating movement with a purpose pre-snap that helped identify coverages and also helped scheme guys open giving Allen easier throws. Third, they have been trying to get Allen to run less almost every year as no HC or team wants their prized QB to take so much punishment. So much is made of how much Brady "ran" the ball more, but that is heavily skewed by the Cowboys game where we dominated them and so Brady and the offense ADJUSTED and kept the run game rolling as Cowboys had no answer as it was long known to be their weak part of the defense. This is your opinion, nothing more. Understand what? I said the intent was to have Crowder compete to start in the slot on a 1 year deal. He addressed the long-term solution in the draft with Shakir. John Brown was hurt a lot prior to Buffalo too then came here and put up his career best season with Allen and was healthy all year. He was not scapegoated...he was fired for not doing a good enough job and losing the confidence of the locker room. To argue it after Brady went 6-1 with the same roster is ludicrous.

I didn't miss the point, I don't agree with your point nor do I believe it is an accurate way of looking back at our history. Again, no disrespect, but I think you are only picking some things to support your narrative rather than looking entirely of what really was going on each year. In 2018 the team was still eating a ton of dead cap and was in total rebuild mode, Josh Allen was a rookie. You spoke of picks immediately after Allen in listing Edmunds who was chosen in the very same round. But that is neither here nor there, so lets get into your explanation here. 2018 was not even in full rebuild mode yet as Beane was still in the tear down phase of clearing out the cap. He positioned himself to go after a QB in that draft, and did just that, but that does not change the fact that he was still cleaning house elsewhere on the roster, especially the cap. DRAFT: Set the tone with Allen at QB, then nabbed Edmunds to be the QB of the defense. 2019 he was able to start to build up some pieces and he immediately went out and signed John Brown and Cole Beasley. DRAFT: Beane used 3 of our first 4 picks on Offense. And when you are rebuilding a team, you invest in the trenches first which he did with our first 2 picks in Oliver and Ford. Of course, Ford didn't work out, but does not change the intent or the fact it was offensive heavy draft that included multiple starters. 2020 Allen is coming off a year where he really showed his potential and took yet another major step forward. Beane went out and made a big trade for Diggs investing our first and a 4th to go get him to add to Brown and Cole who were coming off career years with Josh. Now Brown got hurt, but Diggs and Cole formed an excellent duo. DRAFT: We needed a DE as we were old there, and having no first AJE managed to slip to us in the 2nd and was BPA and also a major need. Beane then went OFFENSE the next FIVE picks (including Gabe Davis) in what would be an almost entirely offensive draft with the only other non-defensive player being Dane Jackson as our final pick. 2021 Bills got DOMINATED by the Chiefs in the trenches and we didn't sniff Mahomes in the playoffs either. The trenches were our biggest needs coming into the draft, especially after transitioning from our old vets as pass rushers began. We had elite Diggs, Cole, and now Davis coming off a strong rookie season filling in for an injured Brown. They still signed Sanders to replace Brown to go along with the other 3. DRAFT: We had to over the hill starters at DE and AJE was coming along slowly as he had his rookie year heavily impacted by COVID season. We were also picking late and were able to take Groot who slid to us after sitting out his COVID season. NOW...I won't argue that maybe going back-to-back with Basham given we also did have AJE was too aggressively addressing this position. However, Beanes first 4 picks were all in the trenches on the DL (first 2) and OL (2nd two picks). When a team kicks you a** in the trenches to the point you don't look like you belong on the same field, its not out of question to go heavy in those areas. 2022 Bills decisions in 2021 resulted in record breaking offense in the 2021 playoffs where Allen and the offense went off in the playoff games and our defense collapsed AGAIN, but this time in the most impossible but Billsy way of 13 seconds and OT. Once again, we did not sniff Mahomes in the playoffs and he went off. DRAFT: No question our biggest need was CB heading into the draft, and they took Elam then Cook, who was not only to bolster the run game but to give Allen another receiving weapon out of the backfield which they tried to address in FA but the RB backed out and went back to Wash after agreeing to come here. We had moved on from Cole, so they signed Crowder in FA and then drafted Shakir as the future of the position. Beane drafted Elam, Cook, Bernard, and Shakir of which 3 have hit and Elam may be emerging still. To go along with Benford later in the draft as well. 2023 and 2024 Beane used 3 of his first 4 picks on offense as well, but again we are talking about the earlier drafts as you said he didn't address offense until late which is categorically not true and completely disregards the early years where Beane was rebuilding an entire roster, not just an offense.

No, not a fact, that is you just another assumption/opinion being pushed as a fact. Dorsey was fired last year because we were 5-5 and lucky not to be 3-7 because 2 of our "wins" our opponents blew the game winning play on the final play of the game (Giants and Bucs). And in those 7 games (the 5 losses and the 2 near losses) our opponents record was a paltry 52-67 (.436 win %) and the Bills offense averaged a pathetic 19.8 points per game against that weak slate of opponents. So no, its not a fact that we "consistently put up points" under Dorsey nor was he ever good at making adjustments, something many of us had been complaining about his first season as OC and entered still concerned about in 2023. Dorsey always tried to force his plan and would not adjust. He had movement with no purpose, and that was one of the single biggest changes under Brady. Lol, that is not why Dorsey threw the tantrum. What he blew up about was the fact that our OL was not able to get set to spike the ball and kick the game winning FG on what would have been the final play of a very emotional and difficult game. And on that final drive we only had 4 healthy OL and they were gassed and had no one to sub in resulting in Tommy Doyle having to be the 5th guy out there who played the final 5 plays on a torn ACL that he tore in that game just so we could have 5 offensive lineman for the final drive. And...Despite 500 yards of offense, we still only put up 19 points and lost. Beane did not intend for him to be the starter, he signed Crowder, a proven slot player to come in and compete for that spot and then drafted Shakir to be the future of the spot. But Crowder got hurt and that changed the situation. Nope...so much of the Dorsey hate was because we were 5-5 (and lucky to even have 5 wins) and well out of the playoff race going into week 11 because the offense was averaging 19.8 points per game against BAD opponents in 7 of our first 10 games. And this was after he had an uninspiring first season as an OC already. He was not good at using the personnel on the roster, he was not good at making adjustments, he was not good at movement with purpose pre-snap, he was not good at creating consistency within the offense. None of that excuses McD from any criticisms, but this notion people had misguided anger at Dorsey is just not at all remotely accurate. Agree @GunnerBill about your description here and like I said above, that was against our weakest stretch of our schedule as well where we should have been blowing most of those teams out instead of losing or squeeking out wins.

I really enjoyed the Giants offseason one and so far this Bears one is also off to a good start. My wife knew about Owens and Biles where I found out during the show, so yeah that was a cool segment that both her and I enjoyed. I thought the segment with Saban was really good too and it gave great insight into what really goes into developing a QB in the NFL that is coming in as a highly drafted rookie with high expectations. Funny you mention the shots of Chicago because the first thing we said in the opening of the show was about how it just reminded us how much we want to go to Chicago still as neither of us have been before but have always wanted to go. There are some restaurants that are on our list there like Alinea, Monteverde, etc we want to experience as well. We have a 15 month old son and a 2nd son due in October, and our plan is to take them every year to see a Bills game and a Niners game (my wife is die hard niners fan) but also take them places like Wrigley Field and other historic and iconic sports venues across the country. So that coverage of Chicago just also got us amped up about that as well. All in all, I definitely enjoyed the show. I would have liked to have seen more coverage of Rome Odunze though, he was one of my favorite players in the draft. But I expect we will see more of him as the show goes forward as I get why Caleb got so much screen time in the first episode.

No disrespect, but this is a creative way to create a narrative. "After Josh" is just a way of not counting Josh given you still counted the rest of his draft. So out the gate that makes it appear even more skewed defense. Then you left 2 drafts out where 3 of the 4 picks were offense in TE, OL, and WR. So if someone was to lay out the full draft history it would be 14 draft picks...7 defensive and 7 offensive. But writing your way changes the narrative to look more defensive heavy. The past 3 drafts we have gone 4 offensive players and 2 defensive players with our first 2 picks. So it’s been a clear effort to prioritize the offense in the most recent years as Josh has been entering his prime.

I liked it

He has gotta make the roster first and he’s not doing himself any favors by having maybe the most inconsistent camp of the WRs seriously competing for the final roster with days he has the dropsies again like yesterday.

I live in LA and all the buzz has been good on Tre around here. He’s having a good camp and he is obviously well liked as well as he is a fun guy. Rams are one of those teams that could prove to be tougher than people think. Will be interesting to see how they do this year. Rams used to be my second team until I married a die hard Niner fan lol…and with how much she supports the Bills and my fanhood it’s only fair I do the same for her…but it will still be fun watching Tre here this year who was always one of my faves.

I mean the offense isn’t going to win every practice unless our D is a train wreck. Both sides will, and should, have their days, doesn’t mean our offense is “figured out”

My guess would be Benford. Nothing against Benford, but Douglas IMHO is probably our best corner, at least heading into the season.

He was back to dropping balls today, easy ones. IMHO the only locks right now are Keon, Shakir, Samuel, and Hollins. MVS for me still has to earn a spot, including having to contend with Claypool who is kind of the forgotten man with his being out with a toe injury. That being said, being out certainly isn’t helping Claypool, but when you keep dropping passes like MVS was today, it keeps the door open for other players. MVS absolutely still in the mix with a real shot at the roster, but he has probably had the most inconsistent camp of all the WR’s seriously competing to make the 53. So I personally don’t see him as a “lock”.

Beanes past in Carolina? He’s a first time GM in Buffalo, so what past are you talking about as he has no “past” as a GM.

The issue is that they find those receivers and beat up on weak teams then lose to teams over .500 despite the offense. And that is largely because teams like the Bills have given a blueprint to disrupt the offense which despite all that speed is not that hard to counter by just getting Tua off his early reads. No doubt they still can be dangerous, but I just can’t see how they don’t take a step back this year with a much more dangerous AFC and the losses they took on defense. And a small step back even would have had them miss the playoffs the last 2 seasons. But then again, that’s why they play the games, so who knows. But I personally don’t like how they are building that team, it’s not one that will lend itself well in the postseason against the powerhouse teams of the AFC. And IMHO I think the GM and staff will be fired if they miss the playoffs this year without major injuries being the reason.

By gutting their defense. If Rodgers stays healthy for the Jets, Miami won’t make the playoffs IMO. They barely made it in the last 2 seasons with what was a better roster than they will have this year. And the AFC overall is even tougher this year

Over Douglas? Rasul is our best corner

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I said there was no way to insure they don’t get him. And given how the draft fell, it is quite plausible, and even probable, they still get him either via a trade with one of the other 3 teams after us or him lasting to their pick. And we took draft capital away from them in the process too. But hey, this is apparently a sore subject for many who seem hell bent on making this into a thing. I’m not gonna waste any more time or energy on it personally, it’s all good. PS: IMHO Beane is not on thin ice nor has he had a rough year. Thats your personal take on him, but I doubt that’s it’s how he is seen by the majority and more importantly not how the team or his employers see him either.

No reason to be rude, and I disagree that It’s the way it works. There was zero the Bills could do to insure the Chiefs didn’t get Worthy. So to sit here and whine about it, post every highlight or low light in camp is just a silly premise. Especially when the guy we took has had by far the superior camp anyway. And the reason he made sense is because they didn’t need size with Rice and Kelce and he isn’t going to need to be a lead WR1 piece there with them and Brown. Reid and Mahomes get to use him as a complimentary piece and move him around creatively rather than a primary target who is gonna have problems getting jammed at the LOS. I didn’t say it should have been their pick, I said it makes sense in terms of how they can use him and because they have been trying to find someone like him since Hill left and just whiffed on Skyy and Toney trying to find it.