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Wasnt a victory lap by any means, was just wondering if the vote of confidence by the team changed their perspective at all as many were down on him before the draft and expecting to see 2 WR's taken, or a big trade go down. Then the video on him and Bernard came out that also was great to see. So more just seeing if there more people warming up to him or adjusting their expectations based off that. He still has to perform on the field when the games start for sure.

Thats fair, although I am still personally very confident and high on Shakir regardless

Yup... I mean the whole reason I would want the $10B in the first place would be to buy a sports team (Bills or Lakers for me) So if you already owned said team, why sell? He doesn't need the money, but he is one of only 32 people who own an NFL franchise, its an exclusive and expensive club to be in.

Im glad some of the people around here are doing a 180 and coming around to like Coleman the way some of us did leading up to the draft. It is kinda funny that its because of his personality and epic interviews though haha. I said it on draft night, this kid is one of the most ready to play and be a WR1 in the draft. This won't be a situation where they bring him along slowly like they have done with some other rookies in the past. He will be a factor this year and I can't wait to see bringing down those TD's in the redzone instead of kicking FGs

Looking back at this thread I started April 4th...anyone feel differently now that Beane has shown he and the team have a lot of confidence in Shakir given we didn't make a major splash move up in draft and only drafted 1 WR overall? What about seeing him working out with Moulds again this off-season? I can't wait to sse this offense on the field personally...

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2 years in a row first pick for the Bills was a weapon for Josh. Stop this false narrative all we do is pick defense early. They have invested a lot of picks in the first 3 rounds on offense over the years despite the fact that the offense being the 2nd highest scoring offense in the NFL the past 4 years.

To be honest, I think this years Bills team can, and will, be better than last years team. I don't think the Dolphins make the playoffs this year either. Why The offense: I think is setup to have its best season yet in the Allen era. This team proved that spreading the ball around, getting the run game going, and not forcing the ball to certain WR's was the key to turning the team around last year. Brady now has a full offseason to truly install his offense, and this team got tougher and more edge now, and we have guys who CATCH the ball. I think we will see Allens turnovers down and rating up. And our RB room just got tougher too this draft and I think Ray and James are gonna "Cook" back there. The Defense: Just having our LB's healthy and Jones back in the middle is a major positive. Yes, we lost some older guys, but I think Beane has done a good job replacing them. We won't miss Tre thanks to last years Rasul trade who is probably a better CB than Tre at this point in their careers. We have depth opposite him, still have Taron, and the safeties we have back there are still solid plus a strong prospect in Bishop entering the mix. Carter is bringing some toughness, run stuffing, and explosiveness to the interior unit as well. I still think we may add a vet edge rusher after June 1st too. Plus McD is not having to split duties now as HC and DC. Overall, I think this team has question marks for sure at these replacement spots until the pads go on and we see what the product on the field is. So skepticism is warranted...but I personally LOVE most of the changes for the better. The key to the offense is how fast Coleman can get in sync and put it together with Josh and the key to the defense is how the back half of our secondary transitions into replacing Hyde and Poyer. My prediction today: Bills win AFCE and will be one of the final 4 AFC teams in the playoffs. I do believe they are still a SB contender.

I actually think Coleman, Shakir, and Kincaid could easily all finish above 900, or even over 1000 yards each. Coleman will be WR1 X role this season, and out the gate. He is a day 1 starter and I don't expect him to be "eased" into the position like in years past, they need him out the gate. 800-1000+ yards is well insight for him if he develops early chemistry with Allen and picks the offense up quickly. Shakir is going to have a big role this year...If, he gets 100 targets he will be close to or over 1000 yards. And I think he could get anywhere from 90-120 targets in this offense as the only WR coming in with Allen trust, timing, and chemistry already established. Kincaid is obviously also going to see more targets most likely and benefit from the departure of Diggs. So I fully expect him to flirt with 1000 yards himself. Personally, I think we may end up with multiple 1000 yard guys this year as I am not really expecting any one guy to dominate the targets like in years past.

To be clear, thats not accurate. Morse is still a good player, and he got released for cap reasons. When a team in significant need of WR help dumps a cheap WR for a 5th round pick, they are not good at their job. Zay was very much bad at his job here. And by your account anyway, he must suck still because as you said bad players get cut. Zay was just cut. Jax thought so little of him they signed Gabe Davis then drafted Thomas when they badly need CB help with some of the best corners in the draft on the board at that pick. Then soon as draft is over...bye Zay. He is not good.

He didn't leave, he got traded away because he wasn't good

No. Nope. No way. He led the league in drops after joining Jax.

His contested catch rate was lower last year because of the poor QB play from the QB getting hurt and also in how Florida St used him. Otherwise his catch rate would have been excellent over his college career.

I get where you are coming from, but we did address the trenches also in the 3rd round. We had lots of places we needed help and the Board falls the way it falls too. I wouldn’t expect them to reach for an OL if there was someone on the board they had graded higher. And I think our OL was in better shape going into draft than our DL too. I for one am stoked about our first 4 picks and firmly believe they all play and contribute year 1. Ray Davis was a major target for me coming in, I was stoked when we got him. And like many, Cole was my target at Safety too.

Yeah, and think about it...Keon is 6'4" with incredible athleticism, hands, and body control. Im sure Josh is drooling about throwing fades to him instead of short Diggs that never worked. When Josh sees Keon actually catching end zone fades and making big catches while making it look easy... Josh to Beane: "Him...thats the guy...get me him"

Good as I love to see them tie more money up for 2 years in an aging TE who is losing a step.

Have to say, I am a bit stunned by this. Not sure how you come away with that impression personally, I thought the interview was great and so did just about everyone, even sports personalities are loving and becoming a fan of his. Heck, my wife who is a die hard Niners fan and sick of WR diva egos between Deebo, Aiyuk, and of course Diggs (who our dod is named after) loved him and thought it was a breath of fresh air from a WR.

Dont call me Surely

Question: Are you intentionally trying to look more and more foolish with every comment like this was a Leslie Nielsen comedy?

He didn't say he is setting a low bar, he is saying all the people saying we "didn't replace Diggs and Davis" are not realizing how little production actually had to be replaced. What has this team been in the past? SOFT. Diggs disappears in the postseason...Davis is not a smart player and had unreliable hands and was one dimensional. Those were our top 2 guys. Now, we drafted a dawg in Coleman, how is open when not open, who has incredible hands and a massive catch radius and a redzone beast. Then we have Shakir who led the NFL in efficiency, catch rate, and yards per target in his 2nd year who is YAC beast. Then you have the sure handed Kincaid who is a mismatch for defenses and a big target in redzones. Then you add in a swiss army knife type guy in Samuel who has had between 50 and 80 catches 4 times (Davis never hit 50 even once) and runs a 4.3 forty and never had a chance to play with a real QB. Instead of 2 guys who underachieve in the postseason, who drop passes when it matters (yes Diggs did too), and are too often taken out of games...we now have guys who go out and make plays, guys with sure hands, guys who are tough and cerebral. Beane, like myself, got tired of the soft team that wasn't matching the toughness and physicality of its opponents preventing us from making that extra play or two to win these tough games where the other does make those extra plays or two. I mean we probably beat KC last year if Diggs doesn't drop the bomb. Who did the Bills turn to for the go ahead TD on the final drive? Shakir ran a perfect route open to the endzone before Chris Jones bullied Dawkins back enough to step on Allens foot on the throw causing him to short arm it. Diggs and Davis are addition by subtraction...just watch this year.

I wouldn't hold your breath

I actually don't think he is a huge boom or bust prospect, that to me is more guys like Legette for example. Coleman has a higher floor than others with his size, great hands, and catch radius. I also don't know I would phrase it teams passed him by as much as not every team is looking for the same style or type of WR. Coleman was one of the higher ranked WR's of the draft and went about where he was expected to go, which was either late first to early 2nd. He was going to go at 34 had we not taken him to the Pats who tried to make him a first round pick but couldn't get a trade done. And I think you are going to get your wish as I think Coleman will put up better numbers than most of the guys that went ahead of him. Coleman is going to quickly show what he can do and win the fans over early IMHO

What did you already post higher up? And what have I made up my mind about?

Yes, we have an exciting group of weapons for next year, it may even prove to be Allens best season. And we are finished, 100%. Beane literally said so after the draft he will be making no trades for WR's despite the medias obsession of falsely linking the Bills to every trade in the NFL. He said he was signing a guy, which he did, and we are done right now. Doesn't mean something can't change as they get into camp and maybe someone comes available, we have an injury, or maybe the unit we have is struggling...but right now, he is done with any significant moves.

NO. He isn't even the best WR on his own team let alone worth what they pay him. And Beane flat out said he will not be looking to trade for any of the rumored available WR's. He likes who we have. So it doesn't matter if they are available or not, we are not going to be a potential landing spot for him despite, as Beane even puts it, the media linking us to every trade out there.