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Welcome to the first ever "Question of the day" thread proposed by @BuffaloBill! It's an honor to kick this off for TSW and thought there was no better place to start than a question about our best and most important player, Josh Allen. There has been a lot of discussion this offseason about the WR position, but there are more changes around Josh and this offense than just who the receivers are (or aren't). Josh will also have a new center for the first time in a long time, and there is a chance it could be a rookie in SVPG and Joe Brady is going to now truly install his own offense here rather than manage it around Dorseys when he took over last year. So now that we have a pretty good idea on personnel between draft and signings, do you think Allen will be better, worse, or about the same as he has been the past 2 seasons?

Lol, you and I both know that the “he completed 30% of his 20 yard throws” is just a nonsense response to exaggerate your point to support your opinion of the play. I know you are smarter than that. The “30%” includes throw aways, drops, low percentage throws, etc. Allen making that throw to Shakir is not one he completes at just a 30% rate. Allen doesn’t miss wide open WRs like that 70% of the time. Josh completes that pass a HIGH percentage of the time if he doesn’t get stepped on. And I would bet big money you know that too. So I get it, you don’t like the play…but let’s not grossly over exaggerate things here. I mean it’s ok to admit Josh likely completes that pass had not for being stepped on and still hate the play call.

Breaking News: Bills don't trade for big name WR -Shocker (said no one ever) Is it week 1 yet? Can't wait to see Allen out there throwing to Justin Jefferson, Brandon Aiyuk, and DK Metcalf.

That play was an easy TD had Chris Jones not blown Dawkins into Allen on the throw stepping on his foot. This is the NFL, you take the 7 points when you can get the 7 points. You don't pass up a chance to take a 4 point lead just because there is a a minute and a half left on the clock. Thats why the guys on defense get paid too. Shakir burned his coverage and thats a strike Josh makes pretty much every time if not hit on the throw and Shakir would have caught that as he caught everything near his hands and had the best hands in the NFL last year. On 2nd down, I am sure they had some short area throws he can go with it if Shakir isn't there, but it was a beautiful route by what was our best WR in the 2nd half of the season. When a FG can win the game, yes, milk the clock. When a FG isn't enough then you take the harder to get TD when its available, every single NFL coach will tell you the same thing. Nothing wrong with Josh taking a shot there IMHO. As far as your argument goes about it being a stupid time to try and high degree of difficulty throw...I have to disagree on the fact of it being a "high degree of difficulty" throw. I mean every QB in the NFL is capable of completing a post over the middle or they wouldn't have a job. Also we don't know if that was the primary read or not either, Josh may have had somewhere else he was gonna go first and saw Shakir burn his coverage and then took the shot. Plus, it is a route we have run a lot, doesn't matter who the target is, Josh has thrown that pass a lot in his career including the game where Davis took the wrong option and went left on a would be game winning TD earlier in the season that we lost. Which is probably why they trusted Shakir more in that moment, not to mention he was much more likely to catch the ball than Davis or even Diggs. Its easy to criticize because Chris Jones blew Dawkins up and it didn't work after Dawkins stepped on Allens foot. But had Allen gotten the ball out a half second later or just taken one more step up in the pocket that is a TD. So not sure how anyone can say it was "stupid" when in fact they got the look, won the route and had the TD right there until one of the best defensive lineman (also paid to make plays) interrupted the play.

We are going to win between 11 and 13 games IMHO, assuming we don’t have catastrophic injuries. How much we miss Poyer (and Hyde) I think will come down to how fast Bishop gets on the field and develops. I think Beane did a pretty good job shoring up the safety room. Diggs (and Davis) are addition by subtraction. I think this offense will be better, more consistent, and more fun this year than last year. I’m really excited to see this group of weapons on the field with Josh.

Ok, that was a fair reason to leave off 2020 in terms of analyzing today, but going back 5 years isn't always about today. As far as where are all the rookies at...Well Diggs was in his 20's until last year and had been extended and expected to be here another 2 years. Things changed, but trading him this year was not the plan 2 years ago. Last year they looked at young weapon, and the best one on the board was Kincaid after the run of WR's. And I know from someone at the Chargers that they at least called the Chargers to trade up for what was believed to be for Addison. So, you want to know where are all the young WR's are...well you are looking at literally 3 of them on our roster right now in Coleman, Kincaid, and Shakir. And I guarantee you any team in the league would pounce if the Bills made either Shakir or Kincaid available in a trade, they are very promising players and both poised for potentially big years this season. No disagreement, WR market is crazy expensive...and I think a team is better off not paying a mega contract and instead having a very good WR room rather than a top heavy one with a mega deal and some meh pieces around them. No disrespect, but no team is drafting multiple WR's every year, that just doesn't make sense, you have an entire roster to build. Teams frequently taking WR's are teams who suck at drafting WR's 2 years ago, Diggs was the plan. He was extended and expected to be here 2 more years. They started adding more receiving weapons last year knowing Davis was gonna likely be gone when they took Kincaid. They also beefed up the OL and had a young RB to also help Josh. This notion on "Wide Receivers" help Josh some share around here is just false. Investments into the OL and to establish a run game not only helped Josh, but turned our season around last year when the air it out to a Alpha WR and don't run the ball mentality had us at 5-5 and well outside the playoffs. Here is what I think is the most important point...Josh does not need an "Alpha" dominant WR anymore like he did when we got Diggs. At that stage he was an ascending young QB and benefited from having that type of player. But Josh is on a whole other level now, in fact, I think its actually better for Josh to not have that kind of player to try and force the ball too. This team proved last year that it won more games, beat better teams, when it went out there and played a balanced style of football and spread the ball around. There are many ways to win a Super Bowl...there are teams who are run dominant...there are teams that are teams who are airing it out to a big time WR...there are balanced team who both run the ball well and spread the ball around. And if you go back and look at each team that won the Super Bowl in the modern era, which of those do you think is overwhelmingly more common? The balanced spread the ball around team. Most SB winners do not have a "dominant" WR1...sure every team has some WR1 who gets their yards and production from being a WR1, but how many of them were actually elite players at the time those teams won the SB? Very few teams had that guy. Would it be great to have a top 5 WR...sure...and we did the past 4 seasons and didn't get past the 2nd round but once. But by no means is it a necessity and history has proven that. I think most people issue here is that they just didn't like Coleman. There are people here who would have preferred Worthy, Legette, or even Franklin who lasted until the 4th or 5th round over Coleman. So in those peoples eyes, the WR room looks worse when it factually isn't. Doesn't matter what your opinion is, my opinion is, or anyones opinion is on Coleman...the 100% truth...the ONLY truth is that today, right now, he has the potential to be a great player for us just like any rookie has today on any team no matter your draft position. And just like any rookie from the first one to the last one, they can all potentially bust too. So...for me, I am very exctied about Shakirs and Kincaids future and I was high on Coleman before the draft and love him even more now. I think he is a great fit for this team and Josh. You don't win games throwing an 80 yard bomb very often...you win games by winning in the trenches, moving the chains, and getting TD's while in the red zone. Give me a team who effectively and consistently makes plays to move the chains and has a high redzone percentage every time over a team who force feeds a top 5 WR. But, like all of us...none of these opinions matter until we see this unit on the field and can really know what we do or don't have out there. GoBILLS

You left off 2020 - I said last 5 years, the 5 years of Josh's prime where we used a first and a 4th on Diggs. How many other teams in the NFL have invested 3 first round picks in receiving weapons in the past 5 years in their QB? Not to mention help on the OL and RB as well in the first 2 and 3 rounds. But honestly, how many teams do you think spend 3 first rounders on receiving help for their QB over the past 5 drafts? Again, we have been investing plenty into surrounding Josh with help. No disrespect, but its just not factually accurate that Josh isn't a priority. Beane has spent a lot of resources (cap and draft picks) on the offense around Josh both in the trenches and as weapons over the past 5 years. You may not agree with how they invested, but they have been and its clear Josh is a priortiy. And quite honestly, I think Josh is about to have his best season to date. But here is what this board will do...they will say "Its all Josh, he is having to do it all" and still won't acknowledge the help around him. The same people (not saying you per se, just in general) are going to be harping about WR's no matter how many yards or TDs throws. They already do it now...Bills are 2nd highest scoring team the last 5 years, Josh averages over 5000 yards and 44 TD's...but its already "All Josh" according to the WR or die crew around here.

But you do realize that Beane has used three first round picks (plus 2 4ths) in the last 5 drafts on weapons for Josh (Diggs, Kincaid, and Coleman). He also invested a 2nd in Cook to help Josh by running the ball, something we badly needed. Then there is Davis and Shakir who were also 4th and 5th round picks. And love or hate Davis, he was a good value for a 4th round pick and Shakirs future looks very bright. Then there are the players he added in Free Agency, from Cole Beasly who was one of the best slot WR's in the NFL most of his career here and Sanders too. So I get everyone wants more and more toys, but the truth is, Beane has invested a lot more into weapons and help for Josh than people realize, including OL help.

I love Odunze as much as anyone, but how do you know Coleman won't be a top 10 WR himself? Most importantly, you do not NEED a top 10 WR, its be proven over and over and over that a top 10 WR is NOT a mandated player to be a SB champion. Why are you and so many people wasting breath on this concept we should have traded with the Bears. You realize the Bears had to have wanted to trade with the Bills, and they clearly didn't considering everyone and their mom knew the Bills both needed and wanted to take a WR early and the Bears didn't call Beane even once. In fact, no team in the top 10 picks called the Bills, who again, everyone knew needed and wanted a WR, to trade back to 28. This isn't madden where you just meet a threshold of min trade commitment and the trade is accepted. Some of you need to get over it and just move on. Trading up for Odunze, Nabers, or MHJ was never at any moment on the table for us as nobody had any interest to trading back to 28 that was in range to get any of those guys.

This was a great overall interview, and I have been pounding the pavement all year for people to just start listening to Beane more. If they had, there would have been no confusion on what they were doing. He is building a more diverse WR room, guys who are tougher, guys who have YAC, guys who can CATCH, guys who get open, guys with size, etc. There are posters on this board who want to argue that Beane hasn't addressed the "receivers" enough while literally overlooking he has invested our first pick (and more) on a receiving weapon for Josh in literally 3 of the last 5 drafts. Some of those people DONT want to include Kincaid because his designation isn't a "wide reciever", which is hilariously dumb given he was ONLY drafted to be a receiving weapon. And I love that BOTH Long and Beane mock those people a bit in this interview as well at 10:50 into the interview. Beane says and chuckles, "People are sometimes just focused on the receiver room, which I like what we have got in there, don't forget the TE's...its legal for them to catch the ball." Long chuckles and immediately says yes to this and comments on it with Beane following up with that "team in Kansas City has done pretty good throwing the ball to that guy (Kelce)" Also didn't hesitate to list Shakir as the most underrated player on offense (especially by soooo many on this board) and Long said he loves Shakir.

Beane was on Green Light with Chris Long again today. It's a great interview overall, and towards the end Long asked him who the most underrated player on the Bills is. Here is what Beane and Long had to say about Shakir (and Taron too). It's clear Beane sees Shakir as key piece to this offense moving forward based on the numerous times he has been mentioned by not only Beane, but Allen, the other coaches, and other players. Im really looking forward to seeing him in this offense. MOST UNDERRATED Below is the full interview too if you haven't already seen it in the other thread just about this full interview. If link above doesn't work, its at 27:06

No disrespect but I don’t think it came across that way at all. Especially if you listen to all the Beane interviews, Embedded, etc.

Yes, dude is Bills Mafia material

Chase had his first 2 seasons go over 850 yards...with a broken Big Ben at QB and as the WR3 on those teams. Its nothing to sneeze at. Talent is not the question, he has the physical talent to be an elite WR in the NFL. What did him in with the Steelers was discipline, self entitlement, commitment, etc...basically immaturity. His immaturity where things like dancing on TikTok with JuJu were more of a focus than his on field IQ, development, etc got him in the dog house and they traded him and got back literally what became a first round pick for him (pick 32). But right out the gate in Chicago he was dogging it out there on plays he knew the ball wasn't coming to him which was essentially also tipping the plays to the defense and got called out publicly by everyone over it. Once again, his immature attitude sunk his ship in Chicago and found himself traded for pennies on the dollar and buried in Miami on the depth chart and not resigned. But...I woud NOT forget about Claypool. While I fully admit, its not often a guy gets his head on straight and turns that aspect of themselves around in a short window, he also is now 4 years older, on his 4th team and knowing full well if he doesn't make it work in Buffalo about the only place he can play football is going to be the CFL. If we get a motivated, mature, committed Chase Claypool...then watch out. Im not gonna hold my breath, but the upside with him is sky high if he gets his act together in Buffalo.

No problem, enjoy the dialogue and differing perspectives You are right, maybe saying "meaningless" is a bit too harsh way to describe it as I do agree there is value in weighing yourself against the other contending teams, especially on analyzing where you can improve the roster. Where I was coming from is more from the perspective it is kind of meaningless right now in terms of the Bills though given we have not seen this group together on the field to truly understand how well it does or does not work for this offense. If the Bills lead the NFL in scoring this year with this group (and we might just do that), is it really a bottom tier group? I think too much emphasis is put on say the perceived individual talent vs the overall effectiveness of the group. Brady and Moss set NFL scoring records, including most TD receptions in what was an undefeated season and still had Wes Welker as well...just to lose to a guy who caught a ball on his helmet and not even make the SB champs roster the next year after being the hero of the Super Bowl. I disagree with that assessment by HappyDays. The term "dominant" #1 pass catcher is being very loosely applied. Every team has a WR1, but I went back and looked at every box score today from the last 25 years, very few teams had someone I would call dominant. A dominant WR1 is someone who is undisputedly a top 10 WR at the very least. Every team is going to have a WR1 who leads their team in yards and receptions, doesn't make them dominant. And as far as Kincaid goes...yes you can build around him, he had an excellent rookie season. You drafted him to be a major part of your pass attack and he did not disappoint. This notion some have that he has to be on Kelce's GOAT level to count is wild to me and I have seen many state that. I mean Kincaid's start to his career was better than Kelces who also had a great start to his own career. This point here is the main one really...I am just gonna be honest here...I think it feels like those "defending" the current roster are more over the top than they are because you have been so harsh, so aggressively negative, that its getting matched so to speak when people come back and try and push back. I think the majority of those who are optimistic about this group are not really over the top about it and more feel like a spread the ball offense can work really well here after watching the team surge back from well out of the playoffs to the #2 seed and divisional champ again by running that style. And, quite honestly, I think part of that optimism comes from the fact that his personnel seems even better suited than last years for that style of offense and Brady now gets to do so after fully installing his offense rather than adjusting Dorseys. As one of those optimists, I can say that I think most of us fully understand that is no guarantee either and that we still need to see it on the field. On the other hand, there are posters, like yourself (just being honest) who have been adamantly protesting we are pretty much doomed and this group will almost certainly fail. But that being said, there are always people on both extremes too, so I know there are some on the extreme side of positive too. But lets go back to your "HOPE" designations. Coleman - I mean you would need to write the word "HOPE" next to any rookie WR we drafted, even MHJ because there are no guarantees of any player living up to expectations in the NFL. Ive seen higher graded players than MHJ flame out and bust in the NFL. So, while its fair to say you hope he works out, that's kind of an irrelevant designation because that is true anytime you draft a new starter at any position. Samuel - "HOPE Samuel has a career best season": Disagree that is the hope. We don't need him to have a career best season, nor do I even expect him too. Shakir - "HOPE Shakir breaks out": Disagree again here because he already broke out. We don't need him to become a 1200+ yard WR. If Shakir continues to make the plays he was making, continues to be a very good YAC guy, continues to be a high catch rate and efficient player, then he is going to a very valuable player for us. We just need him to do what he was doing last year when Brady doubled his targets when he took over that put him on pace for an 850 yard season while both Diggs and Davis were still here. Even if he just increases his production by 20% that makes him a 1000+ yard WR this year. So we don't need a major breakout, a 20% increase makes him a very important piece to the offense. Kincaid - "HOPE Kincaid proves to be a Kelce level player": Again, disagree that is the hope as he already went out and had a season thats as good as Kelce was at the start of his. He doesn't need to be the GOAT version of Kelce, he just needs to keep ascending. Another guy where a 20% increase puts him into elite TE production. All the rest: There is no one hoping MVS, Chase, Hollins, etc step up. WR4 on this team has had very little production since Allen arrived. We don't need some stud there and all 3 of those are capable of handling a WR4 role here, and there are other guys deeper on the roster with potential to compete for it too or the spots behind them Disagree on this one...Coleman's combination of size, athleticism, and catch radius will make him impossible to guard without rolling help over to him if he and Allen get it clicking. But, most importantly, this concept that an offense needs someone to draw special attention to succeed is over blown. When you have 5 guys who can get open and catch the ball and do damage with the ball in your hands, you will have mismatches. Lets not forget, the scariest man in the NFL is standing under center who can make you pay bad with his legs and teams also need to spy him as well as watch the RB's out of the backfield. Teams won't be able to just roll attention at will to players because any one of those guys can make the play on the field at any given moment. And I appreciate yours and your differing viewpoints even if we don't share them exactly. And it wont be about a "I told you so" by end of next season, no one really "knows" anything right now. But, I will say this, I have a pretty strong record around here over the 20+ years I have been here on WR's and QB's. And while that is not a perfect record as no one bats 1.000, I do feel as confident in Coleman as I do just about any other WR we could have taken in the draft of being a very good player for us. And I think the biggest disconnect on some with Coleman is in their eyes even "very good" isn't good enough because they want that top 5 Alpha guy like you have discussed. But I do not think Josh Allen needs that kind of WR, nor does this offense, to be an elite offense. I think Diggs and Davis are addition by subtraction removing a target hog where there was pressure to keep him involved, and a limited route runner who struggled with consistency, awareness, and catching. In their place is a rookie with great hands and incredible catch radius and other guys who are smarter, better route runners, and have great hands. And so my optimism is built around that is how I prefer our offense to be and play, and I honestly think it will lead to maybe Allens best season yet. I don't know we get over the hump, we have a lot of new people on both sides of the ball, but I think this could prove to also be Beanes best draft yet.

Lol...ok, just ignore everything Beane has said that has mostly all happened exactly as he said it because one time he signed Miller in an offseason where he said he didn't "expect" any big signings. Hopefully that is short enough for you. And sure, agree to disagree

My main issue with MVS is his unreliable hands, but he does bring a speed element to the group. Top 3 are without a doubt Coleman, Shakir, and Samuel. So MVS would be competing for WR4 spot and a stretch the field guy mostly with Hollins and Claypool. Personally, the guy am rooting for is Claypool because if he can get his crap together and show this team he can play the right way and be about the team, this dude could easily emerge as a major weapon for Josh as he has a ton of untapped raw ability and talent. Im just not gonna hold my breath either on him though as its a big ask to ask a guy to change his whole attitude and mentality at this stage of his career. The hope with him is that realizing this is his last shot and that he an INCREDIBLE opportunity to save his career playing for a culture like this and a QB like Allen. I mean this kid was avg over 850 yards a season his first 2 years playing on raw ability and with a broken down Big Ben as the WR3 on his team. If this kid can get his head on straight, he could do big things with Allen.

He didn't say that, he literally said he would look at potential free agents and potential signings and then said "we might even be signing one today we just worked out" and then did just that signing Cephus. He did however say no big trades/signings. There is no reality or parallel universe where MVS is a "big signing". Sorry, I just don't know where you are getting these "smokescreens" from...I mean he is literally known to be one of the most, if not the most, straight shooting GM in the league and very candid in interviews. It is one of the reasons people like McAfee, Eisen, etc love interviewing him because he actually gives real answers and insight. How many Beane interviews and press conferences do you listen to? And do you listen to the whole 15 to 30 minutes or just see sound bites on social? While I am sure I have missed some, I have watched most of them and the full PC/Interview, I thoroughly enjoy them. I am not trying to be a "know it all", I just literally listen to all his PC's and interviews, and do the same with a lot of the main ones like McD, Allen, Diggs, Keon now, etc.

Well that has been the style of the Roasts for probably 20 years now if you go back and watch all the Comedy Central ones which many were great also.

Keeping the tradition of bad Thursday night games where one team blows out the other Buf 48 Mia 13

Well there in lies the disconnect or disagreement per se. You are "sold" that Coleman isn't capable of being a WR1. And while there is nothing wrong with you having that opinion of an unproven player, I think you are not leaving yourself room to be proven wrong either. As much sold you are that he is nothing more than a WR2, there are others sold he can be an elite WR1. I get it though, everyone has takes or opinions this time of year, and nothing wrong with that. But, I would recommend at least leaving room for the concept that Coleman may just be the Alpha you say you would be excited about this group if we had. He was definitely drafted by guys who scouted him beyond just a highlight tape at FSU to be the Alpha. But hey, I am not saying you are wrong for your opinion or concerns either, I just think its always, 100% of the time, a mistake to conclusively decide on a rookies future before they have ever stepped on the field. How many people had St. Brown pegged to be who he is on draft night? Nobody was talking about Davante Adams, Cooper Kupp, etc etc on the nights they were drafted to be elite top 5 players at points in their careers. Mr. Irrelevant just started in the Super Bowl and was an MVP candidate in his first full year starting, also only his 2nd year in the league. The best talent doesn't normally have all the best measurables, that has been proven time in and time again over and over throughout NFL history. People (saying in general, not sure what your main beef specifically is with him) wanting to write off or significantly cap Coleman's potential because they don't love really one main measurable (his 40 time being the most talked about negative and then translating that to he won't get open) is incredibly premature. I am all for doubt, concerns, questions, etc...its the conclusive mindset that he "can't" be something before he has stepped on the field that I will never understand...same goes for anyone who conclusively decided he will be a stud as that is just as premature too. Lastly...this whole statement I bolded above is wild to me, and honestly, its a "fools gold" type answer, meaning it leads to a false positive answer. First off, ranking the WR group is an absolutely meaningless exercise and really has no realistic way to predictive of on field results. No disrespect, but this notion that the only way to rank or build a WR group is on sheer talent is not at all accurate. I get the mindset, but it leads to a false predictive conclusion of expected results. A bottom tier WR group is currently the back to back SB champions. In all 7 of Brady's SB wins he had a mediocre or bottom tier group of WR's and the ones he lost he had his best set of WR's in his career. All kinds of teams besides Chiefs and Patriots had mediocre to bad WR groups who won the SB even in the passing era of the NFL like Philly, Seattle, Ravens, Giants, etc. What makes a group good or not is not the individual accolades, its the fit within the team, the offense, as a core, etc. Not many teams who won the SB in the past 20 years had a truly dominant Alpha WR. Its not about having a WR that puts up over 1500 yards...in fact, go check the NFL SB winners and count how many teams had that kind of WR on their roster when they won the SB. You want to win in the postseason then you better win in the trenches and you better move the chains. Its not rocket science, and there are many ways to move the chains. Some do it with a dominant run game...some do it with spreading the ball around with a balanced attack...some do it with an all out air attack to an Alpha WR. You know which of those happens more? The teams who SPREAD the ball around with a balanced offense. Go count how many SB winners won in an all out air attack to a Alpha WR. Go count how many SB winners won in an all out ground attack. And then go and look at the box score of the teams who had a balanced offense where they spread the ball around, were able to run the ball, and kept the chains moving controlling the clock and scoring points. Its overwhelmingly that category. So while I get until we see the product on the field there is warranted doubt, concerns, questions, etc...this whole we are "doomed" mentailty doesn't actually add up to SB championship results. We have literally have the #1 WR in efficiency and catch rate from 2023 just now coming into his own, we have the 2nd leading TE in efficiency and catch rate as a rookie in Kincaid, we just added a 4.3 guy in Samuel who has never had a real QB and had his best seasons under Brady, and we have a promising rookie how at the very least is a MUCH NEEDED redzone TD machine. And thats with arguably the 2nd best QB in the league, and some other quality depth behind them and a run game that was quite good last year and might be even better this year. Meanwhile, the best WR's of the last 20 years mostly are without a SB ring. None for Adams, Hopkins, Megatron, Julio, Jefferson, Chase, Diggs, etc, etc. Would it be great to also have a WR like one of those guys...sure...but history has shown its not even remotely close to "necessary", especially to the degree some of you have bene making it out to be. I don't say all this to smite you, I say all this to maybe help talk you off your ledge abit because you have been abnormally angry and over the top about this subject for awhile. And I think its fair to be concerned until we see what happens, but there is also more possibility and more hope here than you realize. Personally...I think Josh Allen is about to have his best career season yet. And there is no one who will be running out there on that field the DC can ignore, including Cook and Davis out of the back field.

It’s all good…but come on man, come back to reality. If you think MVS, Chase, or Hollins are capable of over taking Samuel and even Coleman, then that is the wildest take I have seen all off season. I can accept you are not high on the group, but that is such an unrealistic and over the top take. The only caveat is that Claypool actually has the pure ability and talent to be a WR1 or WR2 and succeed in this league. But his attitude, mental ineptitude, entitlement, etc have sunk his stock to lower than ABs. So if he shocks and comes in and busts his tail off, hustles, puts the effort and work in, he could surprise and maybe be the WR2 for the Bills at some point. But that’s a lot to ask, and I’m not holding my breath as it’s rare a guy can make that kind of turnaround when things like effort and selfishness are so ingrained in their character.

Update: I was not able to get it yesterday but still might today. Again, if I do I’ll share it. It’s not a sure thing, but a strong maybe right now.

No he never said that. Point failed.

MVS has played with prime Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes has never put up a single season better than either Chase or Hollins. And no, this is not indicative of “what kind of offseason it’s been” for getting Allen more weapons. We are talking about guys who will be at and of the bench from WR4 to WR6. And all if these guys are on par, or even better, than a lot of teams WRs at end of bench, including the back to back SB champs. So don’t over exaggerate this as if these guys are here to be primary weapons at the top of the depth chart, at least one, or maybe two will not even make this roster.