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I get that, but I just think you got triggered on something that was either a misunderstanding or just not accurate given Keon has shown no signs of being behind where they want him to be or losing ground to say Hollins. All good...just think while the jury is still out on how he, or any of them, will do this season it is still safe to say Keon isn't likely behind Hollins and never was based on what the coaches have said and done on the field. I do expect Hollins to have a role on this team this year, more of one than say Sherfield did last year as they do love his ability to block as well.

Would love to see someone emerge and spares us from an MVS drop clinic this season that makes Gabe Davis jealous

Ok, I have a clear understanding now of what your position is. And hey, no issue with any of your doubt or skepticism given he still hasn't played a snap yet in a real game. But...there is still no evidence he is playing behind Hollins or losing reps to him. In fact, literally all evidence shows that to be inaccurate. Keon has taken every one of his reps with the first team offense since day 1. He stared both games including the one Hollins played in. Hollins has not exclusively been with the ones, he has gotten some reps there for sure, but that is to be expected given he has no experience with Allen and will have a role on the team. That is where my hangup is on your theory...this insistence, despite your own statement that you don't know that its true, that he is either behind Hollins or losing reps to him even though there is no real evidence to support this.

Ok so you say this... Then you say this as if that is not very specifically about Keon? No disrespect, I am not seeing how that is not directly about the them selecting Keon as their failure you are alluding too. Totally get and accept you also think the overall management was a failure, but still its being presented to be specifically about Keon being a failure of a selection in your eyes. And you are still tying that "failure" to something that does not appear to be true.

I am not saying he does not also believe that, and he probably does based on some of his other shared thoughts, which is fair for him or anyone to have given we still haven't seen this group play on a real game yet. But this line of dialogue the poster was referencing came from his very specific statements on Keon.

What is funny to me about all this is that everyone used to say "year 3" was when WR's most often put it all together and breakout to reach their potential (I never really agreed with that per se, but that was what people felt was the more common arc). Keon for some reason is a failure though if he hasn't done that before the end of preseason as a rookie.

Except for the fact that what he is saying isn't true. There is literally zero evidence of any kind supporting that, and a pile of evidence showing that it is categorically not the case. And he has even admitted multiple times he does not even know that Keon is behind Hollins even though he keeps pushing this theory. What is worse, is he based this "theory" on what he "heard" 2 media guys say (whose job is to speculate and entertain for a living)...of which his initial claim was that they said he was behind Hollins. When presented with clear evidence that does not seem to support that like the fact that Keon has started both preseason games and only taken all his reps with the ones since day 1 of camp, he then changed the theory and what they said to be that he is in "competition" with Hollins. So the base theory here has not even remained consistent as those are 2 very different "theories". To be honest, seeing you echo a theory with no supporting evidence other than a changing accounting for what someone claims 2 media guys said is a bit surprising. You don't generally operate on such flimsy statements. What is even more puzzling is that Keon has easily had one of the best camps of any Bills player this year, where he has taken all of his reps with the first unit since day 1. There is nothing he has done to relinquish the starting role he has been in since day 1 of camp. So its not like he is even struggling and Hollins has been rising to take his job away. Furthermore, the coaches have made no adjustments at all to Keon's role to suggest anything other than him being a starter thus far.

I had a serious crush on Odunze and it was definitely a top 3 type draft with him right there with MHJ and Nabers. He was actually my favorite WR in the draft. But I am also someone who loves receivers who have elite ball skills and the size and strength to go get it. And that is Odunze for me, not to mention he has excellent hands and route running skills.

You know, we don't always agree (although I think we do more than we don't)...but I always respect your opinion and you as a poster as you are never afraid to admit a bad take, or something you thought turned out different, etc. You don't try and spin it and spew some nonsense to try and sound like you were still right about something that didn't pan out. And you are also not set on whatever position you initially had, you take in other views and new information and weigh it against your initial thoughts. So cheers and kudos. And also, its a long season...which has not even started yet...he can still bounce back.

I think this is a reasonable prediction for him. He only had 45 targets last year and got to 611 yards. Just doubling his targets puts him at 1222...and if you adjust for a little less efficiency with more volume, 1100 yards is right about what I would expect if he sees 90 targets. And I can see him finishing (assuming no injuries) with anywhere from 90-120 targets this year and I think that target range comes down to how many targets Keon sees this year.

My first draft is tomorrow, I will be looking to take Shakir earlier than that. This is my big money league and there are a couple guys who are too savvy to let Shakir get that deep in a draft. Depending on how the board falls I think I will start considering him around round 8 as I don't know how much further he will last, assuming he makes it to my pick in round 8. In my buddies league he went round 7 and there are no Bills fans in that league.

No probkem…but I still don’t know you could have taken it any other way as it doesn’t make sense in any other way. But all good.

Its funny how rent free I live in your head. I do think your little crush on me is cute though 😘

Huh? You disagree then repeat verbatim word for word what I have said multiple times now. I don’t get it. I said Keon has only run with the ones. You said that is not true but then follow up with well if you mean he hasn’t run with the twos. Of course that’s what I mean, it’s literally verbatim what I said. I also said multiple times that Hollins and MVS have gotten snaps with the ones but have not exclusively run with the ones as they have spent time with the twos also. And that isn’t breaking news, it’s no different than any other team where WRs that are going to see snaps in the regular season in packages or as primary backups.

And I am basing it on the coaches employed by the Bills who make these decisions and their actions. So I respectfully disagree. The coaches have shown there isn’t by the fact that Keon is and has been an exclusive starter and Hollins has not at any point. Again, no biggie. I just have more confidence in what the coaches do and say then what someone people paid to talk and speculate do. And to be fair and more clear…I do think this season is going to be less about “starters” and more about packages. Which is why I think you are seeing guys like Hollins and MVS get time with the ones as they will be out there in different packages this season.

No need to even revisit it…maybe one of the most unnecessary debates of the season and why I offered many times to just agree to disagree. But I do agree with your premise and post. But like I said, the topic itself isn’t even worth revisiting for anyone and think an agree to disagree is more than suitable resolution.

Again, you don’t even know if it is a competition. Hollins getting reps also with Allen does not make it a competition. Keon has been all through camp and preseason a starter. 100% of all reps, not a single snap with anyone other than the ones. Hollins has not. If anything, Hollins is vying for reps on the other boundary where Samuel may come off the field instead of Samuel lining up on one of the boundaries. And you originally said Hollins was ahead of Keon…now it’s they are in competition. You’re not even providing a cohesive complaint, let alone providing any evidence that supports either complaint. Again, free to your own opinions, but I still think it’s irresponsible to just say things as if they are true when you admittedly don’t know they are and when there is clear evidence that it isn’t accurate.

Except he is not playing ahead of Keon. And you are just ignoring everything else like the literal fact that Keon has started both preseason games and literally taken 100% of all snaps with the ones since day 1 of camp. Not to mention, Keon has one of the best camps on the team as well, not like he has been struggling. But hey, that is your right and choice to make what ever leap in logic about Hollins getting some reps with Allen you want. Just find it odd you just doubled down on it after literally just saying you don't actually know if Hollins is playing ahead of Keon. So you are basically just creating your own scenario here to which all actual evidence fully contradicts including Keon starting both preseason games, including the 2nd one when they both played, and Keon taking all snaps, reps, walkthroughs, etc as the starter since day 1 camp, something Hollins has not done. And then complaining about that scenario as if it were true, again despite the fact you just said you don't know it to be true and all existing evidence suggesting its not true. And I mean no disrespect, but you are being a bit irresponsible going around claiming Hollins is ahead of Keon when you can't support that claim nor does any of the evidence support it either.

I didn't realize Jeremy Lin was a 2 sport star and didn't just play basketball 😂

I really want to say no...but we have also bought Josh Allens cereal...and that isn't even an impulse decision while standing in a grocery store since we are in CA and it is not in stores here...we had to consciously look for it and order it online...lmao

It really is unreal how this is lost on so many people.

***Disclaimer*** - I am NOT defending Trubisky. If anyone has read my ALL-22 reviews, I have shredded Trubisky and repeatedly said he sucks. Now that we have that out of the way...Here is why I do not think that Beane will make a trade. He was hurt in the 2nd preseason game, and they are going to give him some benefit of the doubt that part of his struggles had to do with that. And I think they will lean more on their overall feeling he has had a good camp as guys like Brady, Allen, etc have mentioned in interviews. Teams don't like to make moves at QB this late as its a lot to learn, even for a backup who could play on any given snap, unless they feel they must make a move or have to due to injuries. Personally, I don't care a whole lot who the backup is. In fact, if I am being totally honest, I say go with the worst backup. If we lose Allen, this team is toast...so give me the guy who will lose us the most games in a lost season to get the best draft pick. Can you imagine the draft power we would have with a high pick in every round to go along with an extra 2nd and two additional 4ths we already have? The wost thing would be to lose Allen and then still win 7 or 8 games. Like lets lose lose lose if Allen goes down and ramp up the ammunition for top of the draft talent next year.

I personally don't think Miami is a better team than the Jets. If Rodgers stays healthy the whole season and can stay upright behind the OL, then I do think they are the top threat in our division. So I have a hard time seeing Miami finish ahead of them personally as Miami has in back to back years, with a fully healthy Tua both times had a 2nd half season collapse. They only have 2 wins in 2 years against teams over .500 and one was against us when we had 15 players either hurt or out for heat issues and still we almost won the game if not for 1 second of the final play clock..and the other was against another pretender in Dallas. Now this year Miami has been gutted in their front 7 of the defense, so this overall roster has less talent on it than the 2 previous Miami teams IMHO. Now add in that the AFC is even more loaded right now. You still have KC, Buf, Hou, and Balt in each of the 4 divisions...plus now you have the return of guys like Burrow, Rodgers, and Richardson as well. Then you still have teams like Browns, Steelers, Jaguars, etc that should all contend for the playoffs themselves this season too. For me, I just think its more likely someone like Miami takes a step back given how they have performed the past 2 years and facing a stronger AFC with a roster that lost more than they gained this offseason. And for that, I think the Jets are more likely to finish in the top 2 than Miami.

I think right now, Keon has clearly had one of the best camps of any of the WR's in the NFL thus far. He has been short changed a bit in preseason with bad QB play, but his All-22 tape has been impressive. Legette also literally stated he wished he "studied harder" in terms of the playbook when he got to camp. And for a guy with big question marks about being in college 5 years and doing nothing for 4 of them with one breakout season, that isn't a good way to start. Worthy didn't have a great camp though, he was dinged up early, then struggling heavily with press coverage and he still only caught 3 of 6 passes that game. Agreed, the speed burst there was impressive, but also keep in mind he was up against the backups on defense that were significantly slower than him on that play as well, so he should be blowing past those guys. I do think Worthy is in an excellent position though for him there in KC, probably the best place for him to have landed. Not only does he have elite offensive HC and QB, but he does not have to be the man there, he will likely be at best the 4th target in the offense behind Kelce, Rice, and Hollywood (barring injuries). They can move him around and find ways to get him off the line cleaner and use that speed. Had he gone to a team where they needed him to be the starting X WR with hopes of him establishing himself as a true WR1 then I suspect he would have more trouble adjusting to that given his light frame and lack of strength. His speed is elite though, which is why heading into the draft I felt like the best fits for him were in situations where he didn't have to be the primary target like he is in KC or a team like say Dallas.

Well I don't think its about what the scouts saw as it was more that he fell so far...so value in terms of lower risk investment with high reward potential was probably more the factor as to why they drafted him. I mean if they saw much more in him, Broncos would have taken him sooner. I know when he fell out of the 2nd round word started spreading he had bombed his interviews. I think the alleged reasons were questions about his passion or commitment to the game or something like that if memory serves me correctly.