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Well said 👏

Maybe you are tired of having this same discussions with others, because I don't recall us directly talking about Allens poor play, because quite frankly Allen hasn't had a game like Miami in a very long time. But it is interesting that you went this route when pressed to face facts. There is no need for me to put you on ignore though, not sure I have ever done that and certainly never done that over a difference of opinion. That being said, there is no value in discussing this further either, so we can move on.

Lol - that is what I mean, you refuse to accept that Allen could ever just have a bad game. So much so, your rebuttal to how bad Allen played against Miami is to go look at SEASON stats and not just discuss the bad game he actually played Sunday. Not to mention you want to hide in those season stats and avoid the actual analysis and film study of the games where he played poorly. And make no mistake about it, he didn't play well in all 3 losses, but he was especially bad against Miami.

Its wild how incapable you are at being unbiased on any discussion about Allen. You know its ok to love Allen, think he is the best player in the NFL, etc and still also be honest about how he is playing right? Because Allen is my favorite player all time and I think he is already one of the greatest to ever do it and a first ballot HOFer - But I can believe all that and also still acknowledge he was dog 💩 Sunday against Miami, as were a lot of people on the field and in the booth (Brady) Sunday.

I will say this - the first loss was our fault, they didn't out play us, we shot ourselves in the foot. Allen left a lot of offense on the field, Brady didn't call a good game, and execution was just not there. Had we played to what this offense is capable of, we win that game by multiple scores. And after KC, my expectation was to win the next one by multiple scores. But now, NE feels like they are gaining momentum and confidence and Buffalo is Jeckyl and Hyde this year. One thing for sure is Maye is playing at a very high level and they are well coached. I still think they are light on talent so they are still a bit overrated, but that is a team that reminds me of the Lions that were coming up under Dan Campbell to where they were on the doorstep of being a legit SB contender. If NE drafts well this year and makes some good moves in FA, we are going to be in a real battle for the foreseeable future with them for the division. Meanwhile, too many times our team has looked like a rudderless ship out there on both sides of the ball. The defense has been better with McD taking over the play calling, even though it had some gaffs late against Miami, it more than did enough to win that game through most of the game despite all the pressure put on them by a putrid showing by Allen and the offense. My biggest concern is how Allens pocket presence, vision, decision making, and footwork have all been key issues in our losses. I think a lot of that has to do with Brady, Allen doesn't seem comfortable when the game plan is not working or executing. It almost feels like there are 2 sides of Josh tugging at itself when the offense is sputtering. Like a part of him that wants to stay on script and another that is trying to go into superman mode, and the battle is affecting his comfort. Just a thought, but it feels that way at times this season. Allen is obviously elite, so I have confidence he will get right. But my bigger concern is Brady, can he make the adjustments to figure this out and help Allen reset a bit and get back to being comfortable and confident back there.

Josh Allen is quite frankly not playing well. His mechanics, foot work, pocket presence, and vision have all been a mess. What too many people here do is throw their hands up and say "Its the WR's" - and they do that under an assumption rather than actual film study/review. They think Allen is so good that his issues can't possibly be his fault, that it must be who the personnel is. And no one is disagreeing with wanting a top end WR1. But, that does not get to just be a convenient excuse to gloss over and ignore the bigger issues around Allen, Brady, the OL, execution, self inflicted mistakes, bad turnovers, etc.

But wait, how could this be...Allen is infallible and its all the WR's fault per TSW.

All good, we don’t have to agree on everything obviously. But if he’s getting rocked that doesn’t mean he didn’t catch the pass. And no disrespect, but he would have gotten tackled not rocked IMHO. Positive yards is better than no yards. And it’s one of several plays Allen missed on, not just this one in a game where he was again off target, had poor mechanics, and poor pocket presence issues throughout.

Thank you, got mine

Im not sure what you are looking at, he is clearly running at an angle on this route. Its an inside slant, look at where he makes the cut (31) and look at where he is running to, the 34-35. This is not a crosser, he is not running parallel to the LOS, and the QB is supposed to lead the WR upfield on this throw. And even if he got less than 5-6 yards, there is no argument that makes throwing the ball away leaving 3rd and 10 is the better choice over taking 2-4 yards and giving yourself a more manageable 3rd down anyway. But either way, that would have been a 5-6 yard gain regardless. And I respectfully disagree, those are standard throws any franchise QB is expected to make. If those throws are "miraculous" then you aren't a franchise QB and you aren't worth a quarter of a billion dollars.

What is funny to me is you don't even realize you just shut down any criticism you have ever had of any player, coach, GM etc in the history of being on TSW - because how could you ever know better or know more than who you are criticizing - those are your literal words here. And considering you are pretty much negative year round, that would make almost every post you have ever made irrelevant based on your own words here. So if someone criticizes Brady, Beane, McD, Allen, etc - how could they know better than them right...unless of course it fits your own opinion or bias, then it's spot on right? lmao But hey, thanks for making it clear that you think the coaches, Beane, Allen, etc are flawless and that you will never criticize any of them ever again, because how could you ever know better than them right. I mean that is the literal meaning of what you just wrote.

LOL - using a freeze frame now to frame a narrative. So its seems the disconnect is that you don't actually understand what you are looking at then. If you actually understood ball placement...this with this route, Keon's angle and where the defenders are, you would know that this ball is going to easily be caught at the 35. Anywhere else would be poor ball placement by Allen and a QB mistake.

These are standard NFL throws, I don't know why you care calling the "miraculous". Any quality starter can and should hit these throws every week, and needs to do so consistently. Allen never has had good touch downfield. He either cannons it on a rope where he can over shoot or just miss...or when he tries to put touch he under throws it so its defended/intercepted, or when its caught the receiver can't advance the ball. It is literally his most well known weakness in his game. Allens best down field throw is when he has a guy wide open or a clear shot to him, usually on a scramble drill where he can just rip a liner right to him or he can lob the ball over and even though it takes a while to get there the receiver can still make the catch. He is not a guy who shows touch. This whole season, his back shoulder attempts to Keon have mostly been poor throws, these passes here were poor throws. The one that should go to the inside, Keon does stumble, but still beats his defender and any ball inside Keon not only has him beat, but even if the ball is not thrown well, as long as its inside Keon has the position to box out and maybe even draw the PI. Throwing it outside was either a critical mistake, or he tried to go inside and just threw a poor pass. The other one all he has to do is put some air on the ball and get it out in front. Instead josh shows the lack of touch and awareness and throws a liner instead. NOW - That doesn't excuse Keon for the mistakes he ALSO made on these routes. The one that should have went inside he stumbled, but still managed to win his route. But he has to get cleaner releases to consistently get open in the NFL, he has to be better with his feet. On the one Josh threw the liner, Keon also let up some on that route for some reason, he needs to run that route crisp to consistently win on those. In both cases he still got open, but I still want to see both those routes run better and cleaner from Keon too, so he doesn't just get a pass here even though he got open both times.

Geezus dude, taker you Haterade glasses off for one second. If you cant see how thats easily a 5-6 yard gain min on completion then I don't think you are capable of having any type of rational discussion or just don't know what you are looking at. Keon is at the 35 where the ball would have been completed and can turn up field for another yard or 2 easily on the catch. Its like you have no idea where that pass would be thrown on that route. Lets move on, you have no interest in logic, facts or reason. You only have a full blown agenda against Keon. Everyone and their mom knows this is a mistake by Allen to not take the yards and at the very least set up a 3rd and short instead of 3rd and 10. The fact you are arguing against it is one of the most absurd things I have seen this year. There is not point in discussing football with people only interested in a crusade.

It was 100% the mistake to not take 6 yards on 2nd and ten. The fact you’re even debating it says you’re not gonna be objective in any conversation about this

No disrespect, but even when you are shown clear facts you always down play or disregard them if the facts don't match your bias. You can't even admit that this was a clear mistake by Allen. It was 100% a mistake, and a bunch of other TSW people I was chatting with live in the game off site and I were all screaming at Allen for not throwing this pass when it happened. You know it is possible Allen can make mistakes too right and you can still be able to dislike Coleman.

Tell me you are not open to unbiased dialogue on the subject without flat out saying you are not open to unbiased dialogue on the subject.

With Keon, the targets they are giving him are too much out of the misuse of him, like the over reliance on running Keon downfield for 50/50 balls. And IMHO, Keon, Shakir, and Kincaid should see more consistent targets. Spot on

I will go one further, all WR's tend to do this, even the elites. The bigger issue here is that we are NOT making any effort what so ever to get Keon the ball. Early in the first quarter on 2nd and 10, Allen drops back into a clean pocket and Keon is wide open right in front of him over the middle on an in crosser for at least 6 yards upon the catch and possibly more if any YAC after the catch. Allen pump fakes the ball, then pats it, dances around, and the scrambles out right and heaves the ball out of bands to leave 3rd and 10 instead of 3rd and short or even just getting the first had Keon got some YAC. I was screaming at the TV to throw the ball to Keon. This happens a lot, not just with Keon but other guys. On plays people see Allen scramble they always say "no one was open" on here, but if you look at the film, its not always the case, and often Allen missed opportunities. And I think a lot of that has to do with Brady's offense where guys are not intended to get the ball and they are there to clear out to go to a specific target or check down. Keon has limitations, but we are also not at all trying to use his strengths or get him involved. Last year before injury, his previous 5 games put him on a 1000+ yard season pace. But this year, they continuously still use him poorly, playing to his weaknesses more than his strengths. And now you have a young WR who is hungry and worked hard this offseason not getting chances, it is often going to affect their effort when they "know" the ball isn't coming his way. Not validating that, but just saying it is not a surprise either. Brady and Allen need to sit down and make a point to get Keon (and Palmer when he is back) more targets, get them going. Move them around, call plays for Keon other than called 50/50 balls.

It makes sense from that standpoint if there is no beef between him and McD. But last we have heard and seen, there was definitive tension there. If they have worked that out behind the scenes (and they certainly could have or do so now), then sure it's more plausible. I just don't recall anything public about them clearing the air or tension, but to be fair, it also doesn't mean it didn't happen. And there you have it. That should put an end to the speculation, but no doubt it won't be lol

He is. Maybe the best to ever do it.

I would not object to him being added to the staff, but in terms of the fire Brady and hire him chants going on - it honestly feels a bit like the old adage "The backup QB is the most popular guy on the team" stuff here. I mean when Daboll was last here, there was a "Fire Daboll" thread as often as there was a "Fire Dorsey" thread and now a "Fire Brady" thread...which is pretty much after every loss where the offense wasn't good. The real elephant in the room is this though: They didn't part on good terms (McD and Daboll). Would they really be interested in working together now? Only if they have since worked their differences out behind the scenes as it never came out in public if they did. My personal opinion is there is almost no chance they fire Brady in season unless the offense goes on like a huge skid for several weeks in a row. When they fired Dorsey, the offense averaged like 19 PPG in his final 6 games or something like that, and against all bad teams. Bills just trounced their previous opponents to the Fins game, including the SB favorites at the time in the Chiefs where Allen was sensational. So for Daboll to come here, he would have to be content with working both under McD again and not as the OC and under Brady. Nothing is impossible, but just feels unlikely given the cold chill that has previously been between McD and Daboll where they don't even want to acknowledge each other after games against each other.

More hype than substance because he isn't instantly winning with a crappy college roster compared to winning with an elite NFL QB? Come on man, you are better than that. Judging him off his first season at a rebuilding college program that isn't a football powerhouse to begin with is pretty silly.

I don't know about that, this team will still be the favorite more often than not. Whether they are SB caliber team is certainly in question after this week - but if this was a one week league, then we would have been Super Bowl champs the week before. So yeah, the one week evaluation isn't very reliable other.

How about you show me where you predicted the Fins would curb stomp the Bills. If you can’t then you really should keep quiet.