Alphadawg7

Nah, they just went and got Sauce because he was an upgrade at CB that they needed on a roster competing for the 1 seed.

I think we can say Dallas really did themselves right with the Micah trade and came out on top here already. They traded a one dimensional pass rusher, who at Dallas's peak still wasn't winning with him when they had the #5 defense and #1 offense in the league. They avoided paying him a cap choking $48M (more than most QB's make) per year which would further deteriorate their already not good enough roster due to cap restrictions over time. What they turned Micah into was a multiple pro bowl DT - Kenny Clark, one of the best DT's in football in his prime Quinnen Williams, an extra 1st round pick, and the cap space to keep Pickens - not to mention more cap flexibility to make more moves. Micah Parsons vs 1st round pick, 2 Pro Bowl DT's, Pickens, and cap flexibility. I think its pretty hard to argue against the fact that Dallas did pretty well in the Micah trade. Does it mean Cowboys go on to win a SB, no, they are still the Cowboys and still have other issues. Only one team can win, and they are not that "one" team yet. But, its still a better place for them to be than with Micah and his contract. Meanwhile, Packers are not any better with Micah - and don't really look good enough to likely win their division let alone a Super Bowl. They lost/tied three bad teams in the last 5 games, created a hole at DT, have a $48M cap choking contract restricting their ability to build in FA, and also gave up 2 first round picks reducing their ability to build more talent through the draft. Its still Dallas, I am sure they still wont be going anywhere, but none the less they are in a better position from trading Micah than they would have been keeping him.

Agreed, and honestly I would prefer Gabe Davis to Shaheed who at least also brings elite blocking to a team who very much is designed to utilize that both in the quick passing game and the run game. Plus IMO Gabe is the more accomplished WR with a better deep game and rapport with Allen and cost us nothing to add to the roster. I dont love Gabe as a WR1 or WR2, but as a guy mixing in with this group, he still has a chance to bring value to the team if his knee stuff is behind him.

Also agree with all this too. I was a big fan of Brady the first season and a half, but I have been more critical of him this season as I think he has too often not made the right adjustments or just called bizarre plays in key situations. The offense has been better, but we still need to utilize the guys on the roster better. I loved what I saw against KC with finally using the TE's in a more attacking manner. But we still need to get more use out of the speed Samuel and Moore can bring, and I think the need to pick one and focus on getting them involved. Then they are completely using Keon wrong, he either Mack Hollins 2.0 blocking decoy or they are sending him too often on routes he isn't going to win enough on. Move him around, get him going using the crossers, slants, and comebacks he has shown he can win on. Enough back shoulder throws down the sideline while he is blanketed. Excellent post. This should be pinned in any thread talking about the lore of Shaheed. Its crazy how some people have inflated what he is and has been around here, and more importantly what they think he would be here.

This is exactly what I have been saying during all the "go trade for Shaheed" stuff this season. We have already seen this OC not use MVS or Harty last year in that stretch the defense role when they in fact filled similar roles to Shaheed in NO and that was what the point of them being here was supposed to be. This year we have Samuel (4.31 forty) and Moore (4.35 forty) not have their speed used much to open up down field again. I think one of the biggest changes Brady brought to the offense was his realization that the deep ball shots are not Allens strong suit. He wasn't wrong, but I also think he has a bit over corrected here too by taking it almost completely out. But none the less, I think a gadget type one dimensional WR was less on their radar as that one thing isn't really what Allen excels at, they wanted a legit WR1 who can be a threat deep but also be a playmaker all over the field. Despite some of the heat some are giving Beane, I don't really think there is much to criticize Beane on here as all the buzz was that he was active on trying to get one, but it takes 2 to tango. The only really big ticket that got traded that was at a position we really needed the help at was Quinnen, but many reports have come out that AFCE teams were told they were not interested on trading within the division. Which is a pretty easy thing to assume and believe too, especially Bills and NE who seem set still a long time to be tough with the QB situations locked down. The best thing that came out of this trade deadline was all the stuff coming out about Beane being actively calling on legit WR1 type options. Gives me hope that this offseason and draft it will be a top priority and hopefully we see them either land one in FA/Trade (no idea who is going to be available) or aggressive in getting one in the draft, including moving up to do so.

I don’t think anyone thinks Shavers is the answer. The point is BOTH Samuel and Moore are as fast or faster than Shaheed and we are NOT using them in that way. Neither was MVS or Harty last year, 2 guys that were doing what Shaheed was doing for the Saints before him we did not use in the same way here. So what WR trade happened that we missed out on? None of the WRs that actually gave us something we lacked happened. Olave, Wilson, Waddle, AJ, and BTJ all didn’t get traded.

I dont think he is faster than Shaheed, but I think Simons point with Shavers is that he has speed to be used as a downfield guy and we don't even try, just like we are not really trying with Samuel or Moore (who as faster or faster), just like we didn't really try with MVS or Harty last year (also 2 guys as fast or faster who were productive deep weapons while in NO just like Shaheed, but not here)

What did MVS do in Buffalo? Nothing, and few shots we took to a wide open MVS for what should be an easy score, Allen missed him by a mile (because he is not a good home run ball deep shot QB). So we cut MVS and he immediately goes to NO and does what Shaheed did for NO this year. What did Harty do in Buffalo last year? Nothing, yet in NO he was the Shaheed player for them before ending up here. Both of those guys were on the Bills last year too in this offense, and neither were used despite the same speed. Samuel is faster than Shaheed and Moore is at least as fast, might be faster with his 4.35 forty time (Samuel is 4.31). We have seen both use that speed deep on other teams before Bills. Neither is being used in Buffalo for deep speed. What do all 4 of those guys have in common? They are as fast or faster than Shaheed and have never been used much at all for their speed deep since being in Buffalo in the Brady designed offense. Shaheed was never going to be any different, never made any sense, and was redundant to what we already have and dont use.

Come on Simon - you have to know there is no way the Jets consider this offer right? I would be all for that trade as a Bills fan of course - but think about it bud, why would the Jets looking to add draft capital and shed contracts to do a full rebuild take back a big contract instead of a 1st round pick (they got a 1st and 2nd from Cowboys)? Especially for a player like Oliver, who has been inconsistent, hurt too much, and has several years left on his big contract. Jets want that first rounder, not a DT out for the season owed a lot of money for several more years.

Samuel runs a 4.31 forty, faster than his rumored to be 4.35 - 4.45 40 time. Elijah 4.35 forty time. Shakir 4.43 forty time. So Samuel and Elijah are either faster or as fast. So again we HAVE the speed on this roster already, and we DONT use it. And Shakir is also pretty fast too. I ask you again, what did MVS and Harty do in NO that they did NOT do here? Oh hit the deep home run shots - why because Allen cant throw them (missed MVS twice on 100% TD shots by a mile before we cut MVS) well and Brady doesn't utilize it in his offense (Diggs was on pace for 2nd best season of his career before Brady took over and changed the offense making Diggs average 8 yards per catch rest of the season). Shaheed might very well compliment the Seattle offense quite well...because they take deep shots. But that doesn't mean he would have done any of that here, especially when we have 2 guys as fast or faster and do not at all use them in that capacity what so ever - a year after also have speedsters MVS and Harty who we also did not use in that capacity, and the few times we did, Allen missed he wide open throws deep.

We actually have more speed than he brings in Samuel and Moore. We just don't use them. Shakir has the same speed Shaheed has by the way. Shaheed never made any sense to me for a trade. I mean MVS was useless here and then went to Saints and caught some big deep ball plays. Why? Because Allen is not a very good deep ball thrower and this offense isn't built to try and make that a more common play. Make no mistake about it - we have the horses on this roster right now, and we had Harty last year too - another deep ball hitter for Saints but not here for the same reasons MVS, Samuel, and Moore arent either. All 4 of those guys (MVS, Samuel, Moore, and Harty) are faster than Shaheed too.

Im not gonna lose any sleep over Shaheed - we already don't use similar guys in Samuel or Moore and what we really need is an outside WR1. Unfortunately the best options available are likely not being moved or not likely to be moved to us in Olave, Wilson, and Waddle.

I get what you are saying, but despite all that Allen is still the MVP front runner right now on all betting platforms, which he wasn’t last week. And what you are missing is while he didn’t have the “run” against KC on 4th down…he utterly dominated KC and what was the MVP front runner in Mahomes this week. And like the “run” last year, that dominance over Mahomes and KC this week also lifted him into the betting favorite after the KC win. And last year, Allen got destroyed by Lamar and the Ravens in week 4 - who was the favorite before Allen took over the top spot after his run and beating KC. This year, Allen made an epic comeback against what was the only time Ravens were healthy week 1 and now also dominated Mahomes. When we play NE again, we will win by 2 scores IMHO. And when we lost, we didn’t lose because NE was that good, we literally beat ourselves. At that point we will have control of the division again and likely the 1 seed too. Allen is actually in a better position to win MVP right now than he was last year IMHO - assuming of course we keep rolling, which I believe we will.

I think he can, and has plenty of times before.

Don’t look now, but Allen’s stats are better than they were at this time last year in his MVP season…I honestly was surprised to see that. He has more yards and 3 more TDs with the same record.

Id say rewatch the Ravens game as what it looks like if we have to flip the switch. And I don’t think McD will let Brady leave Cook off the field for a drive like that again personally

This is why I said bring him in for a visit or check in on him. Obviously only sign him if he is healthy, but I think it is time to find out. I amended the poll to state the obvious though which is to say if healthy do we sign him. We could even add him to the PS similar to Gabe to get a better feel for him if he is close but not quite there.

If he isnt healthy, then I get it. But there has been some talk about other teams looking at him for a few weeks, so my impression is that he is healthy enough to bring in and kick the tires. But I could be wrong, I coudln't find anything that confirmed he wasn't healthy, only stuff about teams whose radar he is supposedly on. I promise you Josh hates losing in the playoffs more.

Where we differ is that I draw the line at coming up short again in the playoffs...but I do get your perspective.

Yeah McD calling the defense (Finally, some of us have been screaming for it for weeks) these past 2 weeks has been a completely different defense. Its like McD has a whole other level to how to use the players. The smashed Mahomes and Chiefs players all game, it was the most physical I have seen this D in a while.

Forget the locker room stuff, this guy is a legit DT - is readily available, and isn't in position to command a ton of money - while playing a position we have a ton of injuries at. Assuming he is healthy - THERE IS NO RISK - If we sign him and he becomes a problem, bye - it cost us no assets to take the chance. We have everything to gain here and nothing to lose, and at a postion we really need the help. Im not saying just blindly sign him, I am saying lets kick the tires and see where his head is at. Even just sign him to the practice squad first until we know what we have. This is supposed to be one of the best locker room cultures in the NFL - the place McD says you got to be the best version of yourself. We gambled on Diggs - it worked for 4 years. We tried to trade for AB. We also gambled on Chase Claypool - and before the injury, the team was impressed with how he was handling himself and fitting in. So we know they are not totally risk adverse in this department if they feel the talent is there...and the talent is there. We need to push the chips in - go trade for a WR, spend the picks there - maybe try and add someone like Budda Baker too - and then you got a top 10, potentially top 5 DT sitting right there in free agency who would cost no picks and a cheap contract compared to his talent. And you would think he would love the idea of rehabbing his reputation with an organization like the Bills, especially seeing how other guys have like Bosa this year (his reputation was that he was washed). Queue all the people who hate this idea, and thats all good, everyone entitled to their own opinion. But its time to stop being careful, go get a guy who can come in now and be disruptive if he is ready to play again. He has that mean streak and attitude we dont have enough of on this roster. There may never have been a better year for us to be all in on a Super Bowl than this season right now. It might even be our last best shot as nothing is guaranteed from year to year in this league. He wont cost us our future but could massively impact our present.

Its funny to see how beloved he already is after less than 2 games when the vast majority of this board crapped all over his signing all offseason, both before and after the PED announcement came out. I kept telling people this dude can ball and was going to be a key player on this defense, but all anyone wanted to do was crap on the signing because they had not heard of him. Rams fans were bummed to see him go despite Bills fans being less than enthused to sign him. Reminds of when we signed Hyde and people kept crapping on that signing too while Packers fans were not happy to see him leave. Its a real bummer the injury happened, I had been amped up for his debut and in less than 2 games he was already making his mark. Solomon came in after he went down and actually had some nice reps, so not sure how they manage the DL moving forward, but I definitely think with Hoecht, Ed, and Carter out for most or rest of season Beane may be active ahead of the deadline.

100% This is what I expect, he doesn't need the money, I think he wants to play where he loves playing and they love him. My prediction is he retires a Bill, or at least finishes out his best years here.

Pats have not passed us on talent, it’s not even close. We have the better QB, WR room, RB room, TE Room, and OL. Literally better at every position on offense and their defense is nothing special either. They are more desperate for a WR than we are. Yes they beat us, because we beat ourselves. We will win by double digits next game against them. That being said, team on the rise for sure and Maye is what I said he was in the draft, the best QB on the class and tending towards being a franchise QB for rest of Allen’s career. So they could over take us in talent at some point, but they haven’t this season.

I went nuts (in a good way) when this went down in the game. Great no call by refs as it was a clean hit while Mahomes was still in the air in bounds from the throw. Text book legal hit - but still the kind of garbage call Mahomes usually gets. He got hammered all game and no flags, loves that.