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Post of the night 👏

Not really what the board said though. And he didn’t beat press coverage, he got a few release by a CB who thought he had help behind on a broken play where he didn’t even have to run fast to score.

That’s too much logic for the pitch fork and doom and gloom crowds.

Yeah, Brown was supposedly Mahomes favorite target in camp as they were clicking. But it was camp, so you never know, but sure sounded like Brown and Mahomes were forming chemistry and could factor in a lot.

Yet you’re disputing it with your own fake analysis then? Lmao Let me rephrase…In the footage available I’ve seen him struggle to get open on some plays while you are tap dancing on a broken play where the CB gave him a free release and pretending he beat press coverage which wasn’t the case. But hey, why talk to facts when you can just say what ever you want right?

Yeah on a broken play and a run where he was untouched with a convoy in front of him. What does that have to do with he has not been getting open most the game?

He has been struggling to get open most the game. So not sure I would prop up a broken play so much

I mean Kelvin Benjamin would have walked in on the same broken coverage. But I did buy Worthy in FanDuel

But TE’s don’t count as receivers

Mahomes - Overrated turnover machine 😂

Coleman catches that 😂

F Worthy…just give me a Chris Jones

Well at least Punt God screwed his first punt lol

I assume you mean wins...if so, Seattle would be my pick

Josh also often gets hit with “most turnovers”, which would only include lost fumbles but a lot people mistakenly count his non turnover fumbles and get an incorrect total. To be clear, I wasn’t arguing anything, I only asked because you hadn’t specified and I didn’t know which total that referred to.

I get that…But he was lumping it in with turnovers. If Allen loses the ball slightly on the way to the ground but regains control, it’s still a “fumble” on the stat sheet even though it was not the same level of mistake as an actual turnover is. So when totaling his “turnovers” only actual turnovers should be counted IMO.

Huh? A fumble is not a turnover if the offense does not lose possession. If Josh fumbles but recovers the ball himself or someone else on the offense recovers it like Kincaid, Dawkins, etc then it’s not a turnover nor is it counted a turnover. An interception is always a turnover. Are you saying you don’t know this?

Are those fumbles actual lost fumbles (turnovers) or is that his fumble total that includes not losing possession? I didn't check, so asking, as there is a big difference.

Hahaha...I wanted to put the laugh emoticon, but didn't want it to seem that I was mocking your post. I just legit laughed at the bolded. I do however think too much is being made of "Mack Hollins is starting" according this depth chart though. It is going to be a lot less about "starters" and more about "packages" this year to start the season at least. Keon is going to be on the field plenty and his role will only increase. Keon took every rep and snap with the ones in camp from day 1 through the end of camp. Keon started the game even when Hollins played in the 2nd preseason game. And Keon had a great camp and showed no signs of demotion or a loss in confidence by the staff. And this regime has always made the rookies earn it unless they had no choice but to play them week 1. Keon will get plenty of run on Sunday and chances to earn it.

Who thinks Hollins is better than a mediocre player? I haven't seen anyone suggesting that he is.

Sorry I should have clarified, I wasn’t agreeing and saying I expect him to have 60% of the snaps, I was saying that’s exactly what I expect to happen in terms of his snap percentage dropping as the season goes on. I personally don’t think his snap count will be that high initially.

But is it the fans or the team calling him a "key contributor"? I haven't heard any one on the staff call him a "key" anything, just speak to how impressed they have been by his leadership and how good of a blocker he is. I mean we are talking about a guy who is going to be at best 5th or 6th in targets (barring injuries) by seasons end...not sure any 5th or 6th option has ever been referred to as a "key contributor". Yes, I do think he will...key word being "think" as I clearly don't know for sure as we have not seen a live game yet. At least I think he will early and mostly for his blocking as they have shown and talked about the importance that plays in their offense. We do still have good blocking on this team with Knox, Kincaid is supposedly improving, Shakir is actually a good blocker too, and Keon was in college. I think once they see they need to lean on Hollins blocking less, his snaps will probably start to decrease. And this may end up being his role, we still don't know yet, they have not specifically stated what to expect his usage to be. I agree, Shakir and Samuel are better WR's, and I honestly think Coleman is right now too. Which is why I am not at all worried about any perceived role for Hollins is, I am confident Keon is going to see plenty more targets than him. Honestly, this is exactly what I expect his season to look like where his snap count is higher as Keon adjusts to the speed and nuances of the NFL game and demonstrates he handle some of the dirty work roles they would use Hollins more for early on. Mack is clearly a better WR in all aspects than Sherfield proved to be last year...he has done more a receiver and he is clearly significantly better blocker and ST player. But yes I agree that Sherfield should not have seen that many snaps last year and I also agree that I do not think Hollins should either.

I don't disagree that camps are different, but specifically on Leggette, he didn't have a good camp, at least no where to the degree Keon did.. He himself said publicly he wished he studied the playbook harder. While there is no way to no for sure, I think its highly improbable he would be further ahead in Buffalo than Keon currently is and likely would be actually be further behind. But "key contributor" doesn't mean a primary offensive weapon. You are talking about a guy who will be the 5th or 6th option on this offense at best unless a slew of injuries ahead of him force the issue. How many 5th or 6th option on other teams are good starters? They arent...but Hollins is being magnified, and even exaggerated, as if he is a primary receiving weapons for us this year. And if Hollins was being setup to be a primary receiving option, I would agree with you that its a failure. But I know you don't think he will out target Kincaid, Shakir, Keon, or Samuel unless one of them misses a lot of time due to injury. And he may not even get more than the 50 targets Cook got as a RB last year. Hollins role has more to do with dirty work than a key offensive weapon for Allen to throw the ball to. And as Keon shows he can handle more and more of that dirty work I suspect Hollins snap counts will start to decline as the season goes on as well.

Well if you had said this below originally, then we could have had a real convo. But originally, you just did the normal snarky thing of which I was referring to. What I said was that Hollins seems set to be more involved than a typical WR4 has been here in the past. Of course we don't know for sure what his role is, but it is based on what they have been saying. And I said that because they have talked up him as a blocker and being someone who can do a lot of the dirty work they lost with Davis departure. So they have at least spoken about Hollins as if they have real plans for him to be involved more than a WR4 has been in the past. But, I do not think he is higher on the "receivers" list by any means than Keon when it comes to real targets in real games. Sure, is it possible in a single game Hollins could get more targets...sure, he could be getting overlooked and getting easy looks we take advantage of. I mean McKenzie had 11 catches one game and he sucks. End of season, unless injuries come into play, I do not think Hollins is going to finish any higher than 5th in targets (Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel, Keon) and may even finish behind one of the RB's too and end up 6th To answer your question, Coleman. This is still an offense helmed by Josh Allen, we are not turning into a ground and pound team where blocking is going to take precedence over a players ability as a pass catcher. And Beane made it a point to mention they felt Keon was the best blocker of all the WR's in the draft as well, so as Keon gets more comfortable out there and proves he can carry that over into the NFL, it will mean there is less need to take him off the field for Hollins blocking unless they want to get him some rest of something. I will ask you the same question I just asked Kirby. What WR was available at 28, 32, or 33 that had a better camp than Keon to the point it would have changed the coaches stance on Hollins and eliminated any possibility that Hollins will have a role on this team? His point has been entirely based on the fact that Hollins is even in the mix it makes Keon a "failure of a pick" when the reality is it likely wouldn't be any different right now no matter which WR we drafted at 33...or 28/32 either.

No disrespect...but the most interesting thing to me is that you don't seem to even understand the root of your own Keon is a "failure of a pick" argument doesn't really have anything to do with Keon. You are making it about Keon because he also was not "your guy" in the draft, so it provides some easy to reach confirmation bias, which is understandable. But, what it is clearly really about that you have not gotten your mind to accept that the coaches actually seem to like and have some perceived plans for Hollins, and that wouldn't likely be much different no matter who we took at 28, 32, or 33. And because of that, you are now translating and projecting that to mean everything about Keon is a "failure" of a pick because your opinion is so different than the coaches on Hollins that you have decided that the only way Hollins can be in the mix for snaps is if Keon is a "failure" and behind where he should be. If you still don't see that, then try this: Name a WR that was available at 28, 32, or 33 that the Bills could have taken that: Definitively had a better camp than Keon, so much so he would have a higher standing and bigger role right now with the Bills coaches than Keon currently has. Would have eliminated Hollins completely from the coaches plans to where right now today Hollins would not be in the mix for anything other than a role similar to say Kumerows where it was mostly about ST. If you can't identify a WR that the Bills "should" have taken at 28, 32, or 33 that has had a better camp than Keon to the point the coaches wouldn't have Hollins in the mix for snaps then your entire "Keon is a failure" argument is the actual failure here. And the reality is, as hard as it is for you to accept, that Hollins being in the mix has more to do with the coaches than anything Keon is "failing" to do. NOTE: Here is the most ironic part of all this...What they have spoken the most highly about with Hollins is his blocking ability and size, so for a WR to really keep Hollins off the field more, then size and blocking is going to have to be present with said prospect. And Keon we know has size and was also by many, including Beane and our staff, to be the best blocker of all the WR's in the draft. Meaning of all the WR's available to us at our picks, Keon's game is the one that has a better chance to reduce Hollins primary value more than anyone.