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I think I am pretty much with you on this list for the most part. I actually think I would put Darnold and Newton right now above Mayfield, and I am a guy who felt Mayfield was the top QB (Allen #2) coming into that draft and thought he had the best rookie year by far. But last year he regressed with supreme levels of talent around him, albeit also bad coaching staff. So while I think Baker has a very high ceiling still, going off the most recent bodies of work, I feel like he was regressing and I think Darnold has the edge on the rankings list by a slim margin right now over Baker. And while I know Cam is not certainly the MVP Cam today, he is not that old, and people writing him off this early to me is premature. I don't know what he will look like in NE, but I do know that a healthy Cam is likely still a better QB than Darnold or Baker right now. So I would go simply move Newton to 6 and move Baker to 8. Other than that, I think the list is pretty solid where there are some guys in the bottom parts people can spilt hairs over. Your top 5 is how I would list them too. Big Ben is a question mark, but his play not he field had still been top 10 before the injury. So until he shows the decline on the field, that Steeler team has a lot of talent and I think Big Ben should put up a pretty good season. The major question mark for me with him is can he stay healthy. PS: I think Minshew is the second coming of FitzCrapTrick...a guy who can wow you one game and then lose you the next game. I think he is going to be the next "poor mans" Favre guy like Fitz was kind of labeled his whole career...a gunslinger without the talent to reach Farve like success. A guy players like, but will never be lock down starter and instead be a fun backup that will get chances around the league when teams start to rebuild and groom highly drafted QB's. He is young, so obviously, its just an opinion, and he can certainly prove that wrong. But he reminds me of Fitz when I watched him play.

Yeah, I am about in the same place as you guys. I still think we win the division, but I do think Pats could still could make it tough and could still contend for that wildcard spot. And my main reason is BB, not anything other than BB. Adding Cam now definitely makes it more interesting in my opinion. While I think it would be foolish to assume Cam will regain pro bowl form automatically in NE, its equally foolish to assume he cant either. He's not that old, and if he is healthy, it would be premature to just outright dismiss him right now. Especially now that he is paired with BB as well. I also do think, like many others do, that the Pats genuinely are high on Stidham too. So it will be interesting to see how the battle for week 1 starter plays out. Cam is coming off an injury, learning a new system, and dealing in a shortened and impacted season due to COVID as well to adjust, learn, and find his game again. So that is why I went Stidham, Newton, and yes with Newton. Should be an interesting story line to watch. Honestly none of the scenarios would be a surprise to me.

So let me get this straight...you sighted a WR to show the value of a QB's trade value? LMAO. A position that is notoriously had low trade value in relation to talent? OK, got it. Geezus...you and Billll should date since neither seem to understand the concept of evaluating like transactions. Rob Johnson says hi by the way.

I think the answer here is tough, I do think the Pats really are high on Stidham. So I kind of have a feeling Stidham starts the season off week 1 potentially as the starter given his experience in the offense too. But I also find it hard to have high confidence in him at this stage, and not sure he can get the job done well enough to hold off Newton. So I went with Stidham, Newton, and Yes, with Newton. As much as I want the Pats to be terrible, its hard to count out BB and they do still have a solid roster even if they lost some players this year. So if the QB can do a good job, I do think Pats will contend for a wild card spot still at least. Not really a wrong answer here I think, as its all up in the air and I can see any of the scenarios happening. More was just curious on what everyone else felt at this stage. I am sure this will really start changing once we see them on the field.

I think you may be right. I was gonna say my guess would be Jacksonville or Tampa Bay.

Except there is 30 of them now, like WTF hahaha. Must be all the flat earth people hahaha NO thats not even remotely the same argument. Do you know what a trade is? GEEZUS You just compared a mediocre QB with a major injury to end his season to his throwing shoulder by the way that there was no guarantee he could even be the same mediocre QB he was before the injury. Brees was NOT "Brees" when he was a free agent. None the less, its one million percent irrelevant as its not even a trade. I love you keep ignoring ACTUAL TRADES of QB's to make fake arguments to support your biased negative opinion on Allen though

Lots of discussion since Cam joined NE, so wanted to start a poll to go on record who people think will actually be the week one starter, and also add a question in to see who they think either keeps the job or takes over the job by end of season. And also, to see if people think they will be a post season team and if so, who is the QB.

I miss the days when you could see the people who voted for each choice. Love to see the foolish people who chose "2nd rounder or later" for Allens trade value. Its so utterly ridiculous to suggest his value is no better than Josh Rosens, or worse than losers like Rob Johnson were. They should have to publicly face their shame for such an egregious answer lmao. And it doesn't even matter what Allen does from this point on, talking straight about todays trade value. No one in their right mind who knows anything about football will believe for one second that Allen couldn't fetch more than a second rounder. That is simply NOT the reality of the NFL, and never has been.

Bahahahaha what a ridiculous response. Tom Brady was DRAFTED for a 6th round pick, NOT TRADED ONCE HE PLAYED IN THE NFL. LMAO wow. What does teams drafting a QB on draft night when all are crap shoots and question marks have to do with trading a 2nd year QB coming off a 10 win season, 30 TD's and a playoff appearance for a team whose only made the playoffs one other time in almost 20 years???? Not to mention on a cheap rookie contract for 3 more seasons LMAO. The only thing dumb was your reply lol

Well that would be the same value as Rob Johnson, Rick Mirer, etc...so you ARE saying he is not MORE valuable in trade than those scrubs were if you are saying he would get the SAME value in trade.

You dont think the difference between Rob Johnson and Josh Allen isnt worth another first round pick? LMAO. So you think Allen belongs in the same convo with Rob Johnson, and those other scrubs in terms of value???? HAHAHA come on dude. WOW If you think its UNREASONABLE to assume Allen would have MORE trade value than Rob Johnson, Rick Mirer, etc then you probably shouldn't evaluate QB's and their value anymore because that is utterly ridiculous.

Are you serious? SCRUB QB's because of ONE game have been traded for First round picks. Ever hear of Rob Johnson? What about other guys getting first rounders despite being scrubs like Rick Mirer? Craig Erickson? Jeff George? Sam Bradford? Steve Walsh? Chris Chandler? Kelly Stoufer? Richard Todd? I mean I could go on and on. Even Brett Farve before ever playing a regular season snap was traded for a first despite not being a first round pick the year before. Yes he is a HOF now, but he wasn't then, he was a guy with off field question marks who wasn't even a first round pick but still traded for a first before he proved he was worth it. Now look around the league at HUGE contracts given to UNPROVEN QB's all the time. Kap, Tannehill (in Miami), etc who all got paid huge deals despite not proving they were really worth it yet, just on potential upside ONLY. Bottom line, teams will pay for the chance to hit on a QB. Does it mean every GM in the league would give multiple picks, or even multiple firsts for Josh Allen. NO. But I am saying its a hell of a lot more likely there are some teams who not only would want him, but COVET him. And I can 100% tell you with 100% certainly that Brandon Beane would NOT trade Allen right now for 2 first rounders. So you already know at least ONE team believes he is worth that, and there are plenty of other GM's who have gushed about Allen too. Sorry, you not being sold on Allens value is more than OK. But you are delusional if you think there are GMs out there who don't think more of him than you do or that they wouldn't pay a premium to get him coming off a 30TD season with many WHOA moments. Most people who know football see the immense potential this kid has, the media and some fans may not be there all the way yet, but people who know football mostly are very high on this kid.

Yeah, I get that, definitely not disregarding it. But for me, I am not fully convinced that their offense isn't more "gimmicky" long term than an unstoppable force. I mean, Vick was just as lethal as Lamar, and seemed like it would be something that would be hard to stop and never really amounted to much once the post season gets here. And when the post season gets here, Lamar and the Ravens are going to see all those top defenses like Bills, Titans, and maybe the Pats, and even KC's D was much improved last year even though not in the same convo as those guys. But I also recognize, Ravens roster top to bottom is better than any of those Vick rosters were too, especially defensively. So, I am not knocking them down, I still have them at #2, and a close #2 to KC. But I also have the Bills a very close #3 behind them. And both Ravens and Bills have the same question marks IMO stacked rosters but what is the 3rd year gonna look like for their respective QB's. The questions about the QB's are just different though given Lamar's breakout year last year. Lamar - Can he find a way to beat those tough defenses better suited to stop his style of play in the playoffs. Can he repeat that special year last year? I mean there is a lot to be excited for around Lamar, and I personally love watching him play and thought highly of him coming out of college. But, that means he needs to be able to adapt against those teams who can disrupt that offense, and he has not done it really yet, but he has even more experience under his belt now and an even better roster. So lots to be excited for there, but still, the results on the field need to continue and he needs to break through against those defenses that played them tougher before I can say they are a favorite over KC. Just my 2 cents. Allen - We all know what he needs to prove and clearly can say he has more to prove than Lamar obviously...can he dial in the deep ball, and can he take another big step in accuracy and decision making. He made some great strides last year, so plenty of optimism, but he needs to do that again this year for the Bills to seriously challenge teams like Ravens and Chiefs this year. And with major upgrades at WR, RB, and even the OL, he really is setup for those big steps this year and I honestly am quite confident in his progress moving forward, but that means nothing until he does it on the field. AFC is for sure gonna be tough. You still have teams like Steelers that can be a major problem too if Big Ben finds his groove again after missing most of last season. Now you have Pats even that can no longer be kinda written off, Cam certainly improves their threat and like it or not here at TSW, BB is the GOAT at HC. This is why I said earlier that I think AB would have an easier path with a team like Seattle as I don't see the NFL as dangerous as the AFC is this year potentially. Plus Seattle is one of those teams where a top player like AB (should he keep his head straight and stay on the field) could put them over the top in the NFC.

Without a doubt, Ravens are gonna be too contender heading into season. BUT, for me, SF and Bills exposed how to slow the offense down, and other teams picked up on it and once they did, Ravens jugger-naught offense wasn’t the same unstoppable force and they got bounced from the playoffs. I need to see they can maintain their style of play before I make them the favorites. Rams were crazy powerful offense, Bears exposed how to defeat that McVay offense and they haven’t been the same since. Until I see the Ravens can adapt and sustain that offense to prove it wasn’t just an early fluke before teams figured out how to slow it down, I can’t label them the favorite over KC. It’s certainly possible they could prove to be the best team, roster is great. Just need to see them bounce back after they got figured out somewhat by SF and Bills before getting bounced in the playoffs. But this is splitting hairs, I still have them as the number 2 team.

First off, I said more than just one first round pick, doenst mean it’s additional firsts. Could be a first and a second, etc. But he very well could fetch 2 firsts.

I didn’t compare them as if Josh should have been MVP. I said it’s stupid to credit other dual threats with their dual threat ability and ignore Josh’s. Josh had 30 TDS, that’s nothing to mock. And in his 2nd year, with 9 new starters, tiny WRs, several scrub WRs, and ancient RB and a roomie RB. He would fetch a LOT if he was traded. Period. Rosen is trash, was given up on after one season, and still got a 2nd. Josh would go for more than just one first round pick.

It would more than just one first round pick, that much I can promise you, 100%. The wrong Josh (Rosen) after a bad first season in AZ still fetched a second rounder after his team that traded up for him gave up on him after one season. The fact a second round pick is an option in this poll is utterly absurd. And anyone who picked second rounder or later is a fool just hating and has no grasp of reality. wrong. He had 30 total TDs last year alone. You don’t get to give Lamar credit for being a duel threat or Newton and not Allen. That’s so stupid when people only post passing stats, especially when he’s had a mostly weak to terrible receiving cast around him for 2 seasons too where Bills led league in drops last 2 years.

Ive been saying for a long time that for me Allen compares a lot more to guys like Wilson and Steve Young even though he was predominantly compared to Cam Newton. I get the Newton comparisons, but at the end of the day, Allen has so much more upside as a QB and I think once he dials it in fully he will be substantially more like Wilson, Young, Big Ben type QB. A guy who is a QB first, but without a shadow of a doubt can still kill you at any moment with his ability to run. And as he gets better as a passer, the running will become less frequent because he just won't have to do it as much anymore. Newton was a aways a guy where his running will always need to be a big part of his game in order to play at his best. He just isn't quite ever going to be that pure QB where I do believe Allen has that potential. And I think Allen will show it THIS year. For me, Allen is a hot player to draft in fantasy football, and I have used him to a high degree success his first 2 seasons, both of which I won the championship in the league I had him as a key contributor. Although to be fair, last season, I cut Allen and Cousins for my fantasy Super Bowl due to matchups and added Fitz and Perriman for the final week in which both helped me win the title as Fitz went off big time and put up like 40 points. I think I will target Allen as a starter for me after the first handful of guys are off the board in like round 8 to 10. Then pair him with a quality backup later...like Cousins or maybe even Cam Newton or a Big Ben, both of which should be good late round values. Allen to me will finish in the top 5 without question in fantasy next year and could be top 3 IMO. But I already know people are going to go after (in no particular order) Mahomes, Watson, Lamar, Wilson, Rodgers, Brees, Murray etc before they look at Allen. So I will focus on my other positions while they make a run on those other QB's then snag Allen once I feel it may be my last shot to grab him before my next pick. Its the best part about living in CA and being the only Bills fan in my fantasy leagues, I always get great value on the Bills players. Although I think people will pay more attention this year, I still know they will all probably go later than they should like Diggs, Brown, Devin and Allen

Seattle is no joke either, and with AB they would be a serious contender in the NFC, and honestly, I think he would have a slightly better shot at a SB appearance in Seattle than Baltimore where they still have to get by KC who is still probably the top team heading into the season. Also, he could make a bigger impact. But, either make sense obviously. And like someone else added, facing Pitt twice would add to the appeal. From a football perspective, I just think Seattle makes a lot more sense because he is going to want to put up stats so he can get a real contract in 2022, and Seattle gives him a much better shot at that. Lamar was not great throwing to his WR's last year and most his passing production was to TE and RB combinations. All that speed and size at WR in Seattle with a top 3 QB in Seattle and dangerous run game would be a sick offense. Im hoping its an NFC team (Seattle, SF, GB, etc) as I dont want to face him in the AFC on someone we already will have our hands full with. AB is freaking nuts...out of his mind...and just a total dips**t...BUT he is still an elite player on the field, and for all his off field issues the past 18 months, throughout his career when he was on the field he was all business. And now he has lost football for a while, I think its reasonable to think hes going to come back with a chip on his shoulder to earn a real deal (and deal he likely gets this year would be a 1 year prove it) as he wants to get paid again at some point. So, the idea of him winding up back in NE would suck, or Baltimore...two teams we are going to have to go through to get to where we want to go. Doesnt mean we cant if he winds up there, but I would rather not see them get potentially better by adding a potentially elite player to their weak spot on offense, WR.

Right now on First Take they were talking about both Seattle and Baltimore have shown real interest in AB and that apparently several other teams are also interested. Max and Stephen A even speculated NE bringing him back with Cam there now (but don’t see how they could really afford him). But there was no confirmation of NE interest, just they think it makes the most sense. Dan suggested GB and SF but again just said would be good fits and didn’t say the teams had confirmed interest. Only teams named with official interest was Sea and Balt and the “other” interested teams were not confirmed or named. I would think Eagles would be interested too given the WR issues they had last year. So...Where do you think he ends up? I just hope it’s not NE because with Cam now, this Pats team isn’t going to be an easy out as it is and AB could make them real dangerous if Cam stays healthy and AB keeps himself in check. Of the confirmed teams, if I’m AB, I would think Seattle would be very attractive compared to Baltimore where he likely wouldn’t see as many targets because of the offense they run.

Every NFL team that is a legit Super Bowl contender has a backup QB problem EXCEPT Dallas who has Dalton who I think can do a pretty good job still on that Dallas team if Captain Overpaid gets hurt. So this thread is a bit silly, as just about most teams have the same hole. What happens if Brady goes down in TB? Mahomes goes down in KC? Jimmy G goes down in SF? Wilson goes down in Seattle? Rodgers goes down in GB? Brees goes down for Saints? And so on and so on. I mean none of those teams are super bowl contenders on paper with their current backup QB starting instead. And I said "on paper" because you never know what can happen when one of these unheralded guys steps on a field. No one saw Hostettler leading the Giants to the Super Bowl when Simms got hurt over Kelly and the Bills. No one saw Brady taking over for Bledsoe and making and winning a SB. So anything is possible, but the point is, on paper all of the other SB contenders are in a similar spot as Bills in terms of what it looks like on paper is sitting on the bench behind their starting QB's. So this isnt a unique problem to the Bills. Again, only Dallas has a legit proven quality backup capable of doing a similar job to Dak if he was to get hurt. Thats a RARE commodity in the NFL...very rare.

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My rank in order of AFCE is: 1 - Pats 2 - Jets - I don't hate the team so much, just the fans drive me crazy, even out here in CA 3 - Dolphins - Never really hated them nearly as much, maybe its because they have sucked nearly as long as we did once Marino was gone and the Dolphin fans I know are pretty chill and don't ever run into a bunch of nutty Fins fans anywhere. My overall hate in the NFL is: 1 - Pats 2 - Radiers - I actually like Gruden, but just hate the fans...I live in CA, they are the worst 3 - Cowboys 4 - Jets 5 - Giants