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Come on. Who cares about college. Tim Tebow won in college. And sorry, Dallas has had a strong roster, you have praised it even. Dak hasn't won 13 games. Put Aaron Rodgers on that Dallas team and they win 13 games. Put Russel Wilson with those weapons together in Dallas and they win 13 games. Dak didnt even make the playoffs and was a lucky onside kick away from being winless on the season before getting hurt. Sorry, he's not proven he can win in the NFL yet. And while we sit here and debate it, the guys who REALLY know Dak also haven't been so keen to dump that money into him yet either. Why is that? If he's a slam dunk winner, they would have paid him a while ago. Im not saying Dak isnt better than Dalton, because he clearly is. Im saying the same thing I said when this convo first came up...Dak hasn't earned the size of the pay day he is demanding.

It was never about is Andy close to Dak. It was about building that team. And dumping all that money into the offense, and now being faced to pay Dak the over the top amount he was asking for, was not a recipe for more wins on the field IMO. So the question was always would their record be that much different with Dalton or Dak? And so far, its not given Dak wasn't winning again. I never had an issue with so much paying Dak, I had an issue paying Dak after they dumped all that money into Zeke and Cooper. I said repeatedly they are not going to be able to build a good enough team around him and then will be stuck with those contracts. You for one argued the opposite, but so far, the results speak for themselves. You argued the GM there has done a good job, something I argued against. Just like you argued the GM in Philly has done a good job, something I said was crazy and was a terrible job. Both those playing out right now, and I feel comfortable in my original arguments. Once again, this team is grossly underachieving, and after the excuse "Its Jason Garrett" has been removed, although I did agree he was not a good HC and needed to go. Nothing against Dak, wish him well in his recovery, he's a good QB...but...he has yet to show he can be a winner. And when I am paying out that exorbitant amount of money, I want to see some evidence he can win. Same issue with Cousins. Put up some impressive stats, but he wasn't a winner. He wasn't getting the job done, and just like Dallas, his own team was hesitant on paying him what he wanted until he showed he could lead the team to post season success. He did not. He moved on. He is not as good as he is getting paid. Dak is better than Cousins, but at the end of the day, Dak wants cap choking money. I think it says a lot that a team willing to spend big on players is reluctant to make the commitment to him that he is looking for. Just like Washington. They seem him every day, they study the film, they seem him daily as a leader around that team. Something is making Dallas hesitant...and end of the day, this roster has grossly underachieved the last few years and in the worst division in football too. QB's want that big payday, they get the most scrutiny. And for me, I just don't see that those elite traits to will their team to win games. I mean, they struggle to beat bad teams, let alone good teams.

I never said Dak wasn’t a good player. I said he doesn’t win enough for the money he is asking for. And clearly I’m right, because once again, they aren’t winning this year, and after they changed coaches. Same Dallas team. I said paying him what he’s asking for on top of Copper and Zeke is a mistake because the rest of the roster is going to be harder to fill out and this team isn’t going to go anywhere. Dak puts up stats, but he doesn’t win. So last I checked, games are won based on the scoreboard, not individual stats. And my biggest argument against paying Dak what he was asking for is that despite his stats, it isn’t good enough to carry the team. He’s NOT Aaron Rodgers, but wants to be paid more than him. He’s not Russel Wilson, but wants to be paid more than him. Look at those two rosters. Seattle’s defense is as bad as Dallas, might be worse. Yet Seattle is dominating, and why is that? Because of Wilson. Green Bay has no where near the offensive weapons Dallas has, and their only top end WR been hurt multiple games this year. Yet Rodgers and GB until this week had been dominant, and they also dont have a good defense. Daks excuse was coaching. They changed that, yet still same results. Again, not saying Dak isn’t a good QB, I said the contract he wants doesn’t match the results.

It’s like when everyone wanted to pay Cousins and it was clear he wasn’t worth the money he was gonna get. Dak > Cousins but the situation is similar because Dak is seeking an insane amount of money, and an amount that exceeds what he has led them to on the field.

Don’t be an idiot (I realize that’s a tall ask for you). That’s not what I said. I was referring to the insane money Dak wanted and whether or not to pay him what he was asking. I said Dak was a good QB, but that even with his best seasons and a loaded roster he didn’t win and committing that kind of cap killing money to someone who wasn’t winning enough was going to be an issue after all the money they already shelled out on the offense. That they won’t be able to build up the team around him, especially the defense. So actually, everything I said was spot on because Dallas was not winning with Dak and literally if not for the ineptness of Atlanta during an onside kick, they would be winless with Dak despite being a heavy SB favorite and in a bad division. In terms of Dalton, I did say I don’t know that their record is much different with Dalton over Dak. I never said Dalton is as good as Dak in terms of being a QB. So this is a false thread and you need to remove my tag or change your title, because it’s not what I was saying.

Or perhaps...Milano hurt again. Tre and Levi out. Edmunds playing hurt. All the new pieces didnt have a training camp, preseason, etc to get ready and gel. Harrison still working his way back.

How many over reaction “our defense sucks” threads do we need?

I realize that, but the point is, Dolphins could be a long term home if he excels there or could attract another team with a multi year deal if he excels there. So having a stronger shot at being the lead back on an offense that has some juice too could have a better effect on his potential suitors this offseason. In Buffalo, his odds of being the lead back are lower (but also not impossible if he's more productive than Devin has been), so his potential touches this year could be a lot less than Miami. Not saying he wouldn't sign with Buffalo, just saying that Miami likely offers an offense that can score with the potential of him leading the backfield within a few weeks. Again, I am talking touches and opportunities to make plays. Miami on the surface potentially offers him a bigger role. Buffalo has a ton of receiving weapons, Allens ability to run, and Devin to compete with here in terms of opportunities. But, if he wants a balance of an opportunity to win now and having a solid role, Buffalo makes more sense. Just comes down to what he will prioritize for himself in terms of winning now and future earnings. If winning now is all that matters, KC likely the lead choice. Balance, then its Buffalo. Future earnings and bigger role, its Miami.

Bell has cared about money more than winning thus far. This season is nearing half over, I doubt he makes a decision rooted in just winning. Im sure he wants to win still, dont get me wrong, but the Dolphins may not be a winner this year, but they have a real shot at being a playoff team next year. They got talent at WR and TE, a young promising QB likely taking over later this year or by next season. Plus the defense is scrappy and the coaching staff is getting the most of its players. And Bell could within a couple weeks be the starting RB there assuming he is performing and picks up the offense quick enough. And if Bell brings a spark to that run game, he could be resigned there and be a key piece to their future. While a lot of people doubt Bell having much left in the tank, he certainly doesn't feel that way and thinks he is still a premiere player. In KC, he likely doesn't see a ton of snaps. If he has a new perspective now and does prioritize a championship team this year, then obviously KC is a great choice fore that. But at 27, I think he was a more defined role, and KC loves their young back. In Buffalo, we have 2 RB's we used consecutive 3rd round picks on. But neither has really seized the job here as someone who should get the lion share of the carries. Obviously Devin has a much more substantial value to us right now than Moss has given he's been out several games. And with the run game struggling, but still having an explosive offense, they could make a case to Bell he can come in at least split carries with Devin while Moss learns the game as the 3rd guy. And if Bell excels, he could take on the lead back role while Devin becomes more that complimentary piece (although I don't think Bell would supplant Devin personally). So Bills do offer the potential to both win now and give him a decent to larger size role. This is why I think of the 3 teams now mentioned as a finalist, Miami should be the most appealing if he wants a large role and potential to get a new contract. I would say Miami, Buffalo, KC in that order make the most sense. But who knows. Maybe being on such a losing franchise for last 2 seasons made him miss winning and his priorities have changed.

I thought Miami was the best place for him out of the choices. They dont have a lead back really, and are a scrappy up and coming team with the QB of the future waiting in the wings already. Lot of talented offensive weapons. They also possess both the first and 2nd round picks of the 1 win Texans too to help build that OL.

Yes he’s better than the backups there, I just think he would want an opportunity to get more touches.

I think its a combination of things though. For the pass rush to get home, it needs coverage to be in place. You can't sack a guy if he has an open receiver so early he can fire it to. So don't underestimate the impact missing guys like Tre, Wallace, Milano, and Edmunds have had during parts of the season on getting pressure on the QB. Also, the loss of Star as a space eater is something a lot of people under estimated around here too. But I still think once Milano and Tre come back (hoping for this week) it will make things at least a little easier on our pass rushers.

Missing our Pro Bowl LB and starting two corners and anchor of the DL in Star...solution is fire the DC? LMAO at these precious hot takes. Its way too early for that...and after one loss against one of the 5 best teams in the AFC none the less.

Haha no problem

Yeah, I think its fair to assume it had to have had some impact on them. Caused some frustration, even distraction. And while Titans were in the same limbo, their side of it was a little different. I mean they were chomping at the bit to play, probably pissed off so many people wanted to give them a forfeit, and had all that extra rest and time to prepare for the Bills game too, at least in terms of things like film study and game planning. Not to mention they had home field advantage with fans in the stands. Its definitely not an excuse, Bills were just out played, sloppy, and flat in just about ever facet of the game yesterday. One thing I will say is this...we are a very well coached team overall and we have a very fiery and competitive leader in Josh Allen, and also guys like Diggs too. A game like this can also be one of those humbling games that brings them back down to earth and lights that pissed off fire in them. I still think we are going to play the Chiefs tough and I am not expecting the same kind of mental lapses and self inflicted wounds that whole game either.

Yup, they have finally gotten their dark cloud to bask in. Funny, I had to leave a text chat with 2 other Bills fans at halftime last night. One of them never says a peep in this group chat the 3 of us are in when things are going well. Never an excited text when something big happens in a game for us. Just me basically talking to myself. BUT: He never shuts up with negativity when things are not going well. Its like he cant wait to spew negative diarrhea in the group chat. I call him out on it all the time and finally just left the group chat at halftime yesterday because just tired of his negative ranting all the time. I mean he barely spoke all season and all of a sudden yesterday he is back to just spewing negative nonsense from outset of the game.

Yes we lost a game. But we lost to one of the best teams in the AFC who were also undefeated despite not having their #1 WR until yesterday all season. Why did we lose and is it a long term concern: Self inflicted wounds: PENALTIES. We had so many points that we gave up to the Titans and points we left on the field due to mental lapses with poorly timed penalties. We stop the Titans for a punt, we commit a penalty to give them a first down that eventually becomes a TD. We make a big play, get a first down or TD and we get an offensive penalty to offset it. We had 3 false starts on one drive within 5 plays...a drive Allen kept moving the ball despite that. So far this year, penalties have not been as big of an issue as they were last night. The team just seemed out of sync and maybe all the COVID stuff just had them a little off their game. Maybe some were thinking about it and worried about playing the Titans. I dont know, but something was definitely off. This is a very well disciplined coaching staff and team most the time, I am not that worried about this and for right now chalking that up to one bad night. Mental lapses: DROPS. This was a terrible night for pass catchers on our team...its amazing Josh still completed 63% of his passes given how many drops he had last night, including the early one by Roberts that turned into an INT and gave the Titans a quick TD a couple plays later. Our pass catchers have been outstanding all year, I think this was just a game where being out of sync a bit and missing a talent like John Brown just led to an off night. I am not concerned and expect them to continue being very good group. Injuries: 4 KEY STARTERS. One thing we have learned already is how IMPORTANT that Matt Milano is to this defense. Add in both starting corners, one of which is an elite player to go with a critical weapon for Josh that spreads the offense out, and all 4 players were sorely missed last night. We will get healthy, and hopefully soon. I am quite concerned about DB depth right now and LB depth though. So far, the next man up has not been getting the job done. Setting the edge: OUTSIDE RUNS. One thing that disturbed me the most last night was our inability to set the edge on defense. Those outside runs by mostly Tannehill and even that TD by Henry were just wide open. Im concerned about this and our lack of consistent pressure. This is why I have been saying for years that people undervalue Star as a space eater. All the stat sheet checkers who don't understand his job or value whine about him constantly. The defense that played last night will give up 40+ to an offense like the Chiefs. They really need to find away to both get our guys back, and make some adjustments if we want to hang with the big boys consistently. Our defense has played great in spurts this year and awful at other times and we have yet to put a whole complete game together. I see a lot of people freaking out about the middle of the DL, but all in all, last night they held Derrick Henry mostly in check. Even one of his short TD's was one he busted outside. Bottom line: Most of the things above are all either temporary, fixable, or easily addressable. The one lingering concern though has been the inconsistency of the defense and the overall health of key players on the defense. I also feel like Edmunds is not playing with confidence right now, and I am not sure if its just rust or lingering issues with his injury or if he is just a bit frazzled lately. But as we all have seen, he isn't yet playing to he level he played last year.

The board is utterly ridiculous right now...but thats also par for the course. Win streak, and everyone inside the Bills is god like. Lose one game, everyone needs to be fired and everyones a bust. Its like 95% useless dribble around here, but I come for the 5% of good football talk while being entertained by utterly stupid hot takes and clueless posts. Welcome to TSW, it tis a great place

Thats like putting the Madden curse on someone. No thanks.

Why do we keep recycling this question? There’s a search function. And why does there have to be a winner and a loser. Both teams won. KC got its missing piece. Buffalo broke the playoff drought thanks to the defensive improvements, where Tre White was a big part of that. Bills rebuild path led them to Allen, Edmunds, Diggs, etc. Literally 0% chance either team goes back and does it different. 0% either team would swap scenarios. It was a win-win. There will never be a “loser” in this trade. KC for a SB already, and Buffalo is already one of the best teams in the NFL full of young talent. This question is just silly now. And any poll about this that doesn’t include an option to select “draw” or they both won is pointless, because neither team lost this trade.

I was screaming to draft DK Metcalf. I argued all off season here with people who didn’t know what they were talking about with DK and kept telling them he’s the best WR in draft and true number 1 WR talent. I was fine taking Oliver though at 9, but I was pleading to trade up to get Metcalf when he slid to second round. However, Ford was a first round graded talent, expected go between 15 and 25 in most mocks. The second I saw we traded up and saw him still on the board I knew it was for Ford. And I was ok with that because protecting Allen was also highly important. But then he continued to fall, and I was screaming to trade up for this gift. Ultimately we didn’t, and of course we landed Motor and Knox in the third. Both of which I was also excited for. But I left that draft knowing we missed a chance to get a special and rare talent in DK while also still being quite pleased with our draft. Personally, I do think it worked out for the better. I would LOVE to have DK on this roster, but NOT at the expense of Diggs. As great as DK is, he’s not in the same class as Diggs who is excellent in every single phase of being a WR, including contested catches. That’s not a knock on DK, that’s just how good Diggs is, who I believe is a top 5 WR and will be for years to come. And I love Motor and Ford still has a chance to be very good at guard.

Does anyone know if the Chiefs Sunday game will be a day time game or prime time slot? Have they said the time yet?

oh my bad, thought you were referring this upcoming game.

Well he wasn’t wrong until this year about calling Lamar the best QB in the draft.

But it can’t be moved to then, Titans can’t play a game on back to back days. Player safety still has to be considered.