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That SB roster was not that good, you are over exaggerating it based on the result. That was a mediocre team who had a career journeyman QB go on a streak of games like he sold his soul to the devil as it was so above and beyond his norm. Truth is, if Wentz was in there, not only does he likely not out duel a 500+ yard Brady, but they likely wouldn't have even advanced to the SB as Eagles needed every inch of what Foles produced, and I dont see Wentz having that same run, especially what Foles did in the NFCC and SB games. Again, I get it...I would trade anything for a SB win too like that. But there is 0% chance I am trusting that GM, who every Eagle fan I know wants gone, to build me a roster over Beane right now. If you would hire him over Beane, well thats your choice and its all good. But I think if both were available, Beane probably gets hired first IMHO.

It happened, I saw it happen multiple times. But the overall success rate was pathetically low, and I know at one point was like under 5%. Don't know where the season finished, but it was a rare overturn to say the least. I can think of more instances where the call clear as day that the challenge should 100% succeed and they still didn't over turn it. This was a hard tank by the Refs and NFL allowed it to happen.

It only did not work because the officials decided to kill it and the NFL allowed that to happen. There were so many bad PI calls or non-calls that were challenged and the answer was clear as day to over turn the call on the field, and they simply refused. Refs get an F for the borderline criminal handling of the challenges, and the NFL gets an F for allowing it to happen and persist. They clearly decided it was not something they wanted and ran it so poorly so that no one would ever want it back. There is 0 room for debate on this, Refs tanked this rule and NFL let it happen. Teams on the field paid the price for this. Just appears to be something they did to pretend they cared about the horrible mistake in the Saints/Rams playoff game with NO intention of seeing it last. It was an utter waste to roll it during a season and allow coaches to waste timeouts by believing the challenges would be taken serious and decisions would be made all above board on calls.

No disrespect, you focused on cap space so I addressed it. I said a lot more about Beane than cap space, but you got stuck on cap space convo. In no particular order, these are all the things I said about Beane, but I will start with the cap point since you keep talking about it. Yes, cap management has been phenomenal by Beane so far. You talk about him not yet having to deal with paying big contracts to retain, but doesn't matter. Everything he's done to date has been excellent, including extensions like Poyers. There isn't a single bad contract on this roster right now. He even restructured Star, who had a contract that was probably exceeding his on field play, although he gets more hate here than he deserves. Since you talk about that the most, we will start there. Finding value in under the radar signings Creating depth, and at the right positions Drafting, he has had excellent drafts thus far, and this years looks to be another stellar one on paper, but we wont know until they hit field. He has found quietly players up and down the draft. Trading, has anyone been able to execute as much value in trades the last 3 years as Beane? I dont think so, he has obtained a substantial amount of draft capital that was used to get premium players by trading guys no one though had any trade value what so ever. Finding the right players who blend perfectly into the team and culture We are, in 3 short seasons, one of the deepest rosters in the entire NFL right now. He found the right Josh...he managed to trade up 3 times in the first round of a single draft without giving up ANY future picks and landing what look to be two studs in the making in Allen and Trumiane. I mean we went from 21 to the 7th pick without trading a future first or our other first that year...I cant remember another trade where a team moved into the top 7 from the 20's without giving up a 2nd first round pick. So, you can keep saying all I am focused on is cap management, but its not true and didnt read the substance of my previous posts. Yes, I did write a big section on it, but that was in direct response to you focusing on the cap part of the discussion. Its cool you don't think he's a top 3 GM because you want to compare guys with 15 years, 20 years, etc on the job GM resumes to only his 3. I get it, hard to overlook a SB trophy. But we made playoffs 2 of his 3 years, and that was with a scrub roster he inherited and had just started putting this stamp on and with a young roster with 9 new starters on the offense and a 2nd year QB still developing. But if you ISOLATE the last 3 years, he's done as good as job as any and IMO has been a top 3 GM over that span. And there is nothing you can say that will make me agree with you on the Eagles. That team is a mess, every Eagle fan I know wants a GM change and he built that mess. Dumb luck SB win, great for him, no one can ever take that away and I would honestly be on cloud 9 if we had a dumb luck SB win behind some scrub journey man QB catching fire. But, there is 0% chance I would hire him over Beane to build me a team...if both were available to be signed.

I said a lot more than cap space ?

Again, enjoying the dialogue, sincerely. I respectively disagree with almost all of this about the cap. Nothing is a bigger killer to a team than cap management. And cap management is MORE than just contracts. Its literally one of the single most important parts of a GM's job. Is Jimmy G's contract good or bad cap management? Anyone believe the Niners dont regret that contract right now? The Rams have had god awful cap management trying to buy a Super Bowl and they are likely going to see a down turn instead of more success. Ryan Pace went from a hot GM to a joke with terrible cap management and roster decisions. Yes you always have to pay elite players...but great GM's know who, when, and how to pay those players to complete a talented and balanced roster. Beane has been a master at contract structure and talent discovery on the lower price tag to continue to leave us fully prepared to retain talent. Beane has also been excellent at drafting to replenish affordable talent once we have to start paying bigger money for player retention. I would argue, Beane has been one of the best, if not the best at this during the past 3 years. Sorry, Eagles are a mess. Roseman built the mess. You can give him a pass because a scrub QB had the 3 games of his life he will never repeat with some dumb luck all you want, but I won't. We have without a doubt a better roster than Eagles, and our roster is better than the Eagles super bowl roster. They won because a scrub journeyman somehow went into some zone where he summoned his best Kurt Warner impression in the playoffs and out dueled a 500 yard performance by the GOAT Brady. Roseman gets his ring and they get that trophy...its real...it happened. But like I said, Dick Jauron was COY one fluke season, did not make him a great coach. And yes, I asked about the roster MINUS the QB because the QB position is the most important, so comparing rosters to teams with Brees, Wilson, and Mahomes will distract you form the question about the whole roster. And Allen only has 2 seasons under his belt, but coming off a 30 TD performance while also adjusting to a 9 player overhaul on offense and marginal weapons last year before Beane added the missing pieces to the offense this off season. So Beane may have also found his gem already, its just about a season too early to know for sure. And yes Saints offense is better because it includes a first ballot HOF QB leading them. But I would take the other 10 guys we have over the 10 guys they have. Its not like its a landslide...but I think our depth is just better, especially on the OL. And Beane built that over 3 seasons...Loomis has been there since 2002 and already has seen Beane build, at the very least, a comparable offensive roster outside the First Ballot HOF QB. And Allen may get there himself, hes on a very good trajectory right now. More importantly, Loomis has just utterly failed to build the right roster around Brees. The only SB was the emotion charged Hurricane Katrina year when they actually had a defense for once. Outside of that, the Saints have too often underperform, especially on the road, in bad weather, and in the post season. At the very least, Beane is in the top 5 conversation in comparison to what the other GMs have done the last 3 years. And I would still argue for top 3 personally as I think there are things he does better than most GM's out there in terms of finding talent, managing contracts, and his already impressive draft record.

Totally agree with all this

My thoughts: Daboll has a lot to prove as OC still. He has flashed brilliance at times and utter stupidity at others, and unfortunately those stupid moments have often come at critical moments of games. Daboll strikes me as someone who cares more about being viewed as a genius than he does at making sound decisions in those moments. Feels like he outsmarts himself at moments where he just needs to call a good play. Running a draw with a 35 year old RB at a moment he thinks no one would expect him to run a draw (because its utterly stupid) is a good example, and one he's unfortunately on several occasions. I have been up and down with him. But the on thing I will say...I think he finally has the personnel to do better with his system. Adding in Diggs is an obvious major impact because its not just about Diggs. John Brown no longer will draw the top coverage. You got elite speed on the outside, elite quickness in the slot in Cole, an athletic TE that can pressure the middle and seams, and now a run game that should be dominant between a young stud in Devin, Allen as a major threat to run as a QB, and now Moss who has substantial potential. All with our OL staying in tact with more depth. So I agree, I think Daboll is going to be on a make or break season personally. If the offense isn't taking the steps it should with this roster, he may be replaced. If he has great success like I think we will, he is a top HC candidate next year without question.

First good convo, and enjoying the dialogue. Most of the guys you mentioned best days are behind them, not whats going on in the NFL today. I get why you say Veach because they won a Super Bowl...but also, I don't think hes as good as he is lucky. What had he really done there outside of Mahomes? You cant take away the SB, he earned that no doubt. But, did he really build a great roster or did he get lucky finding a once in a lifetime QB that really carries a roster than isn't as good or deep with most other QBs leading that team. They have also had cap issues. Roseman? No. Not a chance I would take him over Beane. Cant even believe he is on your list as someone better than Beane. Eagles roster is a mess. Catching lighting in a bottle with a scrub journeyman backup QB having the 3 most improbable games in a row in history doesn't make you a great GM. Lynch is another guy on the rise, I like him. But there is no way you can definitively put him ahead of Beane. He also gave a BUTT LOAD of money to an unproven QB who now looks more like a mistake than a successful decision. I mean Niners seriously considered replacing their over priced QB with a ancient Tom Brady this year. No way Beane would ever make that mistake. Now Lynch better hope Jimmy G isn't just the most over paid game manager ever and can actually lead them somewhere. Schneider is absolutely in the top 3, I think he is a top tier GM. No disagreement whatsoever from me on that one. DeCosta? Sorry, majority of that roster was mostly built by Ozzie, including Lamar, and the genius behind Lamar is on Roman, not the roster decisions DeCosta made. He has proven nothing yet, and most importantly, they haven't even proven if the system and style they are playing is sustainable. That Ravens offense started getting figured out after the Niners and Bills games and wasn't as unstoppable after that. There is still a lot to prove there, and he has yet to really put his stamp on that team. Loomis? The guy whose wasted the best years of Drew Brees career? The same team that couldn't get to .500 for many seasons and rarely made the playoffs despite Brees eclipsing 5000 yards every year? That Loomis? The same Saints team that keeps folding at end of games in the playoffs? The same Loomis who couldn't build a defense to save his life for years which will always be the sole reason Brees hasn't been a multi-super bowl winner despite being one of the greatest of his generation at the most important position in football? Sorry, Beane for me has built a better BALANCED OVERALL roster than almost all the GM's you mentioned. Many of them have more years than Beane and have future HOF QB's already in place, hence more opportunity for the trophy case. Beane has gone out and maximized value better than any of these guys. He is smarter on contracts, he is smarter with the cap, he is substantially better at trades. He completely revamped not only our roster, but our cap in his first 3 years as a GM. I stand FIRMLY by my top 3 claim on Beane. I get it, you and others I am sure only want to measure it by the post season right now. But thats honestly not a very accurate or reliable way to measure the value of the GM, especially against long time GMs and one whose been a GM for 3 seasons. I mean Dick Juaron won COY too for having one lighting in a bottle season, doesn't make him a great coach. Eagles GM has a mess of a roster and getting one SB where a Journeyman QB had the best 3 game stretch of his career where hes mostly been a scrub doesn't suddenly make you a great GM. Here is a question for you: If you take away the QB position on every team...would you swap our roster and cap situation with any of those teams? Again, not factoring in the QB so you aren't getting Mahomes, Wilson, Brees, etc. I can honestly say I would not. Our OL and DL depth is superior to any one of them, our WR group right now is probably the best of the bunch outside of KC (which I give them the edge because of Kelce even though his position is TE, he is a monster receiving weapon), our secondary is easily the best unit of the group. Our LB group is arguably as good or better than most of those teams too. And our cap situation is better than all of them IMO. And we are full of YOUTH giving us a longer window moving forward as well. And basically our entire roster outside a couple players, plus our cap situation, was all built and orchestrated by Beane. And in just 3 seasons. He is a top 3 GM right now in 2020. At least IMHO he is.

1. Name 3 GMs who are unquestionably better. I tried and I can’t. I can’t find a GM that i would feel is better suited for this team across the NFL. 2. Pro Bowl? Come on Gunner, you very well know we have had deserving players that don’t get the respect because they have been in Buffalo. Pro Bowl is not the barometer to use in grading what he has built. Those will come once Buffalo continues to earn respect as a winning team after being irrelevant for 20 years. Even last year we lacked respect because the perceived ease of our schedule.

Ive been saying this a while now...Brandon Beane is a top 3 GM in the NFL right now and we need to extend him. Honestly, there is not a single GM I would swap him with personally. I am not worried about losing him though, I genuinely believe Beane loves being in Buffalo, loves the team, city, and McD. I think he plans to be here for the long haul. But still, extend this man now for 5 years please. He is just an excellent GM and there are not that many to go around. Then...extend McD. He is the right coach for this team and even city. He is already IMO one of the best young coaches in the NFL right now and expect he is both going to get even better as this roster has really come together now, and be highly sought after if we let him get near the end of his contract. CONTINUITY! Lock these guys down now, they are the real deal and should be here for the foreseeable future!

This is just crazy...

R.I.P. to a true legend and class act. Much respect to him and his family.

Im not telling anyone how to be a fan. I sure as hell dont jump through tables. But you and others are slamming this kid for being hyped about being a Bill and playing for Bills Mafia all because he showed clips of what other fans do? Thats absurd man, really absurd to take it out on Trey because you don't like Bills Mafia antics. All your whining is 100% misguided at Trey. You want to complain about the tables, start a thread addressing Bills Mafia. Not a rookie excited to play here whose never even stepped on a Bills field yet.

But why hold it against Trey Adams? He has nothing to do with that. He was paying homage to Bills fan base and showing his excitement. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this video just because the Bills Mafia reputation or the music isnt to your taste. To poo poo the kid because of your own fan hood style and tastes is just unnecessary.

Most interesting part of this thread...the OP has by a massive margin the most positive reactions in terms of the emoticons. All the whining in the thread about the video are all full of confused, sad, or meh reactions. Nuff said. Stop being so damn stiff people. The tables, Bills Mafia, etc are all part of this fan base. Accept it and move on. The kid made a video about the excitement of the Bills fan base and his excitement to be part of this team and play in front of Bills Mafia. Stop acting like someone peed in your Cheerios. Bunch of wet blankets here. And if you dont like the music, who the heck cares...there is NO SONG in the world that everyone likes. The point of video is NOT the soundtrack, its to showcase his excitement. Anyone slamming him for this should really ask themselves why they are even a fan anymore. There is nothing negative about this what so ever, even if you dont approve of the Bills Mafia reputation or the music. Not everyone has to be a fan in the way you are...get over yourselves and just be excited that this kid cares enough to have made the video in the first place even if its not to your taste. And 0% chance the coaches or FO will have an issue about this either.

Does it hurt to go through life with such a large stick stuck up the backside? Geesh lol

I feel pretty good about my stance on him back then...he had question marks I wasn't thrilled with to risk with the 10th overall pick. And had we gone QB instead of trading down, I preferred Watson at that time. And coming off a season where our defense was pathetic, I was quite happy picking up an extra first and landing Tre. Im only posting it to show why its ok to not be high or sold on a player, but also totally foolish to not recognize the upside and raw talent and condemn a players career before getting their shot on the field. ESPECIALLY during training camp or preseason. Which this board LOVES to do...and this thread is a great example. I was critical of the idea of picking Mahomes at 10, in fact I down right hated the idea of taking him that high. Would have been fine if we took him in the 2nd, but was very against the idea of him at 10 and I loved that we traded down, especially since we got White. However, criticism aside, he has a lot of upside. I just wasn't comfortable with what I felt his risk level was and preferred to work on the D than gamble on a QB at that point. But now he is in the NFL...hes a first round pick...he has a cannon for an arm...Chiefs felt good enough about him to send Smith away. I think its pretty reasonable to NOT fixate, good or bad, on the first week of camp. Over stating mistakes and under valuing positives only serves to feed a biased opinion. Its going to be interesting to see what this kid can do, he got to sit and learn and has a good staff and incredible array of weapons to work with. He's made some eye popping plays just like he's made some bad mistakes in camp so far, but thats what camp is for. Im still not sure about him, but he is definitely setup well for success.

I guess you missed the part in the original post asking the question that says also "successful". None fo those QB's are eligible for comparison in this question. They all sucked and none were successful, not even FitzCraptrick. Im glad I had a cooler head in that thread...first page, right there...my comment: So I follow the Cheifs on Bleacher Report just because I have Hunt as my keeper in 2 leagues and like to see how Sammy is doing. So while this report has been on those mistakes, I can tell you that I have also got several notices on huge plays to Hill and Sammy as well. I did NOT want to draft Mahomes at 10 as I thought he was too risky there and I loved our trade back. But just because I thought he had a lot of risk doesn't mean the first week of Training Camp is going to prove who he is or isnt. Like with Allen, there will be some whoa moments and some cringe moments. Only time will tell if either, both or neither can get rid of most those cringe moments and be a consistently good QB in the NFL. This is just another reason why its utterly stupid to overreact about training camp or preseason struggles or successes. I mean there are people in that thread trashing Mahomes who were also prompting up Peterman that offseason and calling for him to start. LMAO.

Anyone think they are over analyzing a 5th round pick here? I mean, if he makes the team and provides value, it’s a great pick at that spot. If he doesn’t, nothing really lost. All reward, no risk pick essentially. He was NOT drafted to challenge Allen. He was drafted as the value was too good to pass on and he will be given a chance to push Barkley. If he succeeds, he could also be flipped for a higher draft asset if he shows well in preseason or any chances he gets if he has to fill in for Allen. This is Allen’s team without question.

There is just no way Bills are signing Clowney. This prove it deal thing was out there before they signed 2 DE's and drafted one. People can wish for it all they want, but the chances of this happening are almost nil. It would have happened already as Beane doesn't fool around if he wants to bring someone here, but Beane clearly has moved on, if he even ever had any interest in the first place. I think its pretty safe to say that everyone is most likely wasting their time here.

In before closed.

This conversation starts and ends with Barry Sanders. He is numbers 1 through 10. That being said, the original Hall video to start this thread was impressive!

Here is the stupidity of this thread and the "nepotism" nonsense being spewed here. There is NO nepotism. Beane and company have a FIRM grip on who deserves to be here from their job performance and who doesn't. If a "Brandon" family member still works for the Bills, its because they choose to keep him based on how he is doing in his respective job. Case closed. Thread dead. Peace.

Not really a shock to be honest, they did a ton of high level scouting on him, maybe more than any other player I can recall hearing or reading about. Im sure Dugger and AJE were closely graded, doesn't really matter who was the one slightly higher. But, I think 2 things: 1. I do believe Dugger May have been the pick instead of AJE if both had been on the board simply because we signed Addison and Jefferson already, so it’s not like AJE was a must draft position for us and Dugger is very versatile all over the secondary the way he projects. And when eyeing teams like Ravens and Chiefs as who we now have to focus on (instead of Pats), adding that kind of versatility makes a lot of sense. We have some explosive players to cover in the secondary, including at TE with those teams and Dugger could plug into that nicely if he is as good as they believe. 2. AJE is the safer pick given how well he played against top competition and I think will have a bigger impact if he hits than Dugger would. While I was intrigued by Dugger, he just didn’t make the kind of impact I would expect in D2. I’m always a little more down on players who you have to make excuses for or explain while their production didn’t quite match their potential, especially against low level competition. The two exceptions for me where I am more accepting of the lower production vs perceived talent are QB and WR because both are so highly dependent on other positions to individually succeed.