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Its more the logo than the uniforms. I mean I have the actual transcript for the Rams design meeting around the new logo. It is: "Ok, so I got this idea for the new logo and look that no one will see coming, so that means it will be great! We are going to make it kind of look like it should be the Chargers new logo to troll them, while also simultaneously making it look like the logo of a minor league soccer team that isn't any good and never wins. Everyone is gonna love it, especially LA fans!" What could go wrong with that?

Yeah, I have nothing against Murphy, I think he is better than this board makes him out to be. But, its a numbers game, and with Addison, Jefferson and now AJE, I fully agree that I think Murphy will be a trade candidate in that "Beane hacks the comp picks" scenario. I know that some people around here think Murphy will get cut...I dont see that. We don't need to cut him unless we just absolutely need the roster spot somewhere else. I think if they cant trade him, he will be in the rotation at DE and I think AJE will be used in a more versatile manner linking up in different spots to get him some reps. But after the draft saw AJE fall to us, my expectation is that Murphy is going to be a value trade for a 5th at some point before the season, assuming there are no injuries along the way to anyone ahead of him.

Its pretty clearly Singletary and Addison. Murphy may not even be on the roster week 1, let alone starting. And I like Murphy, but he's not as good as Addison. So barring injury or drastic fall off due to age, it will be Addison. AJE will be brought along like they do all rookies, slowly and coached up before over taking a starting position. And Singletary is the man, he did great last year, he has a firm hold on the #1 spot, and Moss will get plenty of carries as well, but won't be taking the starting job this year from Devin unless Devin for some reason regresses or gets hurt. I feel like these 2 choices were fairly obvious...you should have started a poll about CB opposite Tre, Nickel Corner, RT and RG. Those would be more interesting battles to discuss as they are not so obvious.

Shhhhhh this is the easiest money I’ve ever made. HA No the bet is on the regular season, but Allen must play at least 12 games to count as the bet.

Welp...here is what I will say. Most people here have done something stupid like this when they were a teenager or in their early twenties. Drove when they shouldn't have. You tend to have a mentality at that age that you can do anything and its no big deal. Doesn't excuse this behavior, but even though I do NOT have a DUI, there were times his age I probably drove when I shouldn't have and figured I was fine to drive. I never do it now, and probably haven't in 20 years (about to be 44 in July), but this isn't exactly a rare mistake here by youth. He is fortunate it was just a DUI and not an accident he caused...and lets hope that this lesson humbles him and makes him realize he can't do this type of stuff and makes better decisions moving forward. Watching some friends get DUI's and one get in an accident humbled me right up about it, and never done it since. And today its even less excusable with more options like Uber and Lyft. Im not gonna write the kids character off over this...young players get to make one dumb mistake, I mean they are still maturing and coming from being stars in college and getting paid in the NFL so young. Not to mention the added boredom of the quarantine. Its how he responds after this that will tell me what kind of character this kid has. And you know McD and Beane are not going to go easy on him about this kind of mistake. I feel fairly confident though that this wont be an ongoing issue and he will be fine moving forward.

Coolio...sent you a DM with all terms to confirm so we dont have to hunt down this thread.

Just regular season, because that is what the comp % tracks. It tracks them separately, so when someone says he is a 60% passer, its referencing his regular season stats. Ok, and 12 games it is.

Ok, I’ll take this bet. I’m gonna DM you for a record of it. We need to have a games played qualifier though just in case Josh got hurt during a small sample size. Like he completed 75% week 1 but got hurt week 2 for season, that wouldn’t be a fair win on my part, and vice versa. I think 10 games would be a good sample size, but let me know if you’re thinking a different number.

No offense...But...Cant really agree with much of anything you said here, and honestly @Dr. Who already responded with a great reply, so nothing really more for me to add.

Lets make the bet. But there needs to be consequences if you don't pay. Ive made several bets here, and I have won them all but one...only one person paid me and I paid my only loss. Your logic above is so silly and flawed that I am not even going to address it as it was already addressed in my original post. I love making bets with people who either don't read or are so invested in their flawed logic that they can't comprehend what they are reading. I love your silly take of "he didnt do it in Wyoming and JUCO" where he had weaker coaching and a terrible cast around him as a raw QB. Not to mention every meaningful metric already said he did it last year, except his weak cast DROPPED enough passes to drop him under 60%. So you are already categorically wrong on that one fact alone as had we been in the top 10 instead of dead last in dropped passes, he would have been a 60% passer already. Over/Under is 60%...lets do $100 and if the loser doesn't pay...their account and IP gets frozen by mods for entire 2021 offseason and not reactivated until week 1 of the 2022 season. Those are my terms.

Come on, was it really? He hit a few deep shots on a couple of wide open throws to Foster sure. But was his deep ball really better? And it was a small sample size, and he spent a lot of time throwing to Foster in camp and preseason while running 2nd and 3rd units. Thats a very poor counter to indicate his deep ball won't improve, especially when his deep ball started improving last year once dead weight at WR was out of the lineup and he got better timing down with the guys here.

Let me start by saying a lot of people discussing Allen's accuracy are...well for a lack of a better word...wrong. Even in instances where their conclusion is probably say the most accurate one, the logic they used to get there is often incomplete and got the right answer really because you had a 50% chance to do so given there are only 2 answers to the question at hand. First issue: Season total stat checking. This is a terribly flawed way to make a determination of a question such as "Is Josh Allen inaccurate or accurate". Stat sheets lack context, and worse yet, everyone is obsessed with YEAR END TOTALS versus tracking progression, identifying outlier games that heavily skew end results not properly reflecting the week to week performance of said player, especially when in relation to a young player. Second issue: Failure to factor in all the variables that impact an individual's numbers/performance. QB is the most complicated position in all of team sports, and the individual success can be impacted in any given game or moment by a number of mitigating factors. Fans have an utter obsession of putting all the blame or praise on a QB in every single moment without taking into context of what was really happening. So lets address this question: Is Josh Allen inaccurate to the point its a problem? The answer is likely NO based on his first 2 seasons. But with any young player, no definitive answer can be concluded today as he is still developing and that could go either direction. But its clear as day, he is trending in the right direction and that Josh was pretty accurate last year despite the naysayers and the year end comp %. Like all developing players he has things to work on, but he clearly demonstrated last season that his accuracy concerns really shouldn't be there and that he has what it takes to be a 64% or better QB in the NFL. The stat sheet shows under 60%, but thats an incomplete and lazy analysis of what REALLY happened. Lets look at the mitigating factors that lead to a more accurate assessment. Start with the obvious and most glaring area of improvement Josh needed to focus on: The Deep Ball. Without question, this was a struggle, especially the first half of the year...but WHY is the better question. Starts the season with two WR's he had no experience with and timing takes time to develop, not to mention 9 new players on the offense overall. That was Brown and Cole, and Cole isnt a deep ball WR. Opposite these two guys were utter scrubs who lacked any real deep ball skills or threat. Josh started the season trying too hard to get the ball downfield, like to that scrub Zay who often made poor efforts on balls as well, and the combo of this resulted in too many turnovers the first 4 weeks of the season. NE Game - Can not over state this enough, this game changed Josh both for the good and a little bit for the worse (but minor and he eventually readjusted). This is the game that even he says was the turning point. After this game, Josh would only have 3 turnovers over the rest of the season. He got smarter with the ball, and stopped making as many risky throws. However...the negative, was that he also too worried of the INT and was trying to put the ball too far out in front where only his guy could get it way too often. And this led to a lot of bad over throws downfield and further hindered his deep ball. But once, the season wore on down the stretch and he started connecting on some, you could see the confidence come back and he was improving on the deep ball and hit some amazing throws. BOTTOM LINE: Josh's deep ball down the stretch of the season was significantly more successful than the first 2/3's of the season. This was due to better personnel on the field, more timing with the newer additions, and more confidence in putting the ball in the right spot. Had Josh been that way the whole season, he easily would have been over the 60% completion on just this alone. Now add in elite WR Diggs who is also an elite deep threat, and its VERY EASY to be optimistic that he will again continue to improve in this area. Bills led the NFL in dropped passes. Nothing to say here other than duh, this clearly impacted his comp % and had we been average or above average instead of the worst, he would also have been above 60%. And with a much improved arsenal of weapons for Josh in year 3, I think its a good bet we wont be anywhere near the bottom of the league in dropped passes this year. Touched a bit on this in point one above (sub point 3), but the first 4 weeks and especially the NE game changed Josh's approach to in game decisions. After the NE game, it forced Josh to be more careful, and this resulted in a lot more throw aways which of course impacts his comp %. Instead of letting his competitive drive push him into more risky or low % opportunities that could lead to turnovers, Josh was smart and threw the ball away more. But, with Josh expected improvement and development with reading the D faster and also having better weapons who can get open quicker, this should result in less throw aways. Josh was 4th in the NFL in downfield throws, meaning he takes more lower % shots than almost all other QB's. And more importantly, we did not have a great personnel group to help Josh have more success in this area. Personally, I love this about Josh. I would take a 62% passer who pushes the ball down field constantly over a 71% passer who is a game manager and check down artist every single time. We did not have the right group of guys around a QB like Josh the last 2 years. We had some pieces, both veterans like Brown and a raw rookie like Knox, but ultimately, our group was not ideal for Josh's game as a full unit. Seeing Cole running 25 yard routes makes me cringe every time, thats not his sweet spot. Or watching him throw a 20 yard out to Roberts, McKenzie or worse Zay made me cringe as well. But now, Knox should be better (too many dropsies as a rookie) and the WR group on paper looks to be one of the better units in the league for someone like Josh. Last, but not least, and probably most importantly: IMPROVEMENT. Josh made significant strides at every stop of his career and in short bursts. Coming into the NFL, he never had top coaching or a talented roster around him. In HS, he was a multi-sport athlete and didn't take football as a serious as it became for him. Then he was at a JUCO and a weak school like Wyoming where he lacked real talent and high level coaching to harness all those gifts he has. But once he stepped off the field for Wyoming for the last time and started working with Palmer, he made huge leaps leading up to the draft and rocked the combine too. As a rookie, he was raw, and split reps in a 3 way QB battle yet preventing him from getting better prepared to start early. Then he got put in halfway through the first game. After getting hurt and sitting 4 weeks, he comes back looking like a completely different player and really showing great improvement. Year 2 he comes in and makes substantial improvement in just about every area of his game from one season to the next...DESPITE the fact he had NINE new starters around him on offense, his weapons group to throw too was mediocre overall at best and had turnover throughout the season at WR where only McKenzie was a guy he had any prior experience with after Zay was traded (Foster didnt sniff the field much). Has a terrible game week 4 and too many turnovers over those 4 weeks just to turn around and go for 21 TDs and just 3 turnovers from weeks 5-17, second in scoring ONLY to Lamar. Add all this up, and IF just ONE of those factors last year were different, he was already a 60% passer. This kid is an f-ing gamer, is highly coachable, and is constantly improving. Now Beane has also been constantly improving the roster around him and has fully set this kid up to start really taking the next steps. So, for me...sorry, if you think this kid is inaccurate, then based on the evidence you are more than likely wrong. I fully acknowledge that is an opinion (as it will be for everyone until we see what he does on the field this year)...but that opinion is rooted hard in the facts laid out in front of us all to see BEYOND an uninformative and nearly meaningless year end stat sheet number of 58% completions. I will bet anyone here (and I pay my bets) he will easily eclipse 60% this year without question. The evidence is OVER WHELMING that he will be in that fabled 60%. He has too big of an arm and will take to many deep shots to ever lead the league in comp %, but who cares...he will be a nightmare to defend.

I hate the new logo way worse than the uniforms. At least the new logo still somewhat looks like the ram helmet from before. But yeah, don't like these uni's other. Just think the logo and fonts on paper look worse. The color fade numbers and number font are the worst part of these uniforms for sure. My GF knows someone who was one of the leads and worked on this. She wasn't sure if it was on the logo design too, but definitely on the uniforms she said...she told me last night. I told her, I need a word with him as Rams are my 2nd team. I have so many questions for him, and even made a list in preparation: How many mushrooms did you guys eat during the creative that convinced you this looked good? Follow up: Can you get me some too? What elementary school did you recruit design consultants from? How long have you been a 49er fan or a fan of some other Ram rival? Who do you think you are? How long have you been Mark Davis barber? I think these are fair and reasonable questions given the results of his work.

This was quite informative and insightful. So much of this makes senses now...how a guy with no injury history can go to dealing with so many things like this. Not taking care of his body, partying, and ripping his cast off, etc. One thing I will always stand by is that the talent and gifts are there. But he was clearly a troubled soul between his personal demons and his off field troubles, struggles, and distractions. I feel bad for him, reading this just puts into perspective how difficult his journey has been both thanks to self sabotage from fighting his own demons, to the struggles and problems with those around him he cared most for. I will say this...if Sammy can get to a place where he has peace off the field...peace within himself...he could still be quite special on the field. That being said, I don't know if he will ever find that balance though. Reading this I just kept thinking about Cris Carter. A guy with all this talent but his demons were holding his career back. But once he broke through and got to a good place the rest was history. But thats not an easy task to do...and only time will tell. I will continue to hope for his success and he finds his way out of all these dark places. But, having read all this now, the original trade of him to the Rams not only makes perfect sense, but was pretty significant foresight for Beane and we got great value in return. It also makes sense why Rams did not want to keep him, and instead traded for Cooks. Moral of the story: Beane is a wizard.

Saw this thread back up on top of front page. Already previously commented it. Commenting again because I forgot just how much I loved this article. I am ready to run through a damn wall for this season! Can it just start already damn!?

Yes, was a great pick for a 5th round guy. Those are the rounds you take chances on talent that has some red flags. Sometimes they work out big, sometimes they have a short stint of success, and sometimes they never work out. But he had a heck of a rookie season before his demons off the field addicted to McDonalds got the best of him. Also, we did NOT have the culture and accountability in the locker room back then for a guy who needed strong discipline. Had he been drafted by Beane and McD, I would bet he would have a much better shot of being his best self. Agreed. This guys issues were MINOR compared to other players looking for redemption. He absolutely deserves a second chance, and I for one hope he finds success where ever that is. Im mostly aligned with this. Personally, I think we are gonna be set with Devin and Moss for a while and just wont have a roster spot for him. But I also would not be opposed to give him a shot if he explodes in his next stop. But I do agree we are in a different place. No reason to take a chance on him before he's proven anything, we already have Wade who fills the spot of having a long shot, but high upside guy on the PS. However, if he explodes and shows all that promise, then I think its less of taking a chance, and he becomes a potential value signing. That I would support, but there is no room for him to earn his redemption on this roster. He needs to earn that in the CFL and then I am fine signing him if Beane sees a spot for him.

I don’t disagree with you there at all. But teams need to go through that to grow, we were really young and also not a fully built and missing some key weapons. I think this year is the year we are ready and adding an elite proven veteran weapon like Diggs will go a long way in us taking that step this year vs say maybe not til next year if we had drafted a rookie to start opposite Brown. I haven’t been this excited and confident in a Bills team in over 20 years. Our coaches are smart, so I think they will learn from their mistakes too. Especially Daboll needs to or he will be replaced if not. Of course If he does, he may be replaced also because he will prob get a HC job if we are a top 10 offense with a deep playoff run.

The GOAT QB at age 97 on a new team? Of course it’s 5 times, it should be. Only has one or two season left, they should put him on TV as much as they can. People are going to want to see that. Even if it’s just to root for him to fail.

I’m guessing ST potential is primary interest.

I see at least a 10 win season and potentially 12/13 wins if Josh really takes a solid step forward. I got us 5-1 in the division. And it’s not out of the question that we could sweep our division, we have the best roster and are well coached. Likely beat Raiders, Rams, Cardinals, Chargers. Will Get at least 2 to 4 wins from Seattle, SF, KC, Titans, Pitt and Denver. While tougher, we are capable of winning any of these games. So my final prediction: 12 Wins, division title, at least make the AFCC game. I think we are going to surprise some people, even here.

That’s our top 3 GM right there! ?

The best part about that stupid mono argument they have is that Josh was not the same player that game as he was after the week 4 Pats loss either. Josh went on to account for 21 more TDs and just 3 turnovers from week 5 on, second only to Lamar too in TD's. Not to mention, they are grossly over exaggerating the condition of Darnold week 1. F the Jets...cant wait to curb stomp them and watch our deep DL dominate that poor OL and put Darnold on his back in between the plays our secondary is feasting on him seeing ghosts and picking off his passes.

There is nothing you said here that I necessarily disagree with. I am just grading the last 3 years among all the GM's because thats the only time he has been a GM. And for me, what he has done with this roster is top 3 in the league in that short time. I get it, results include playoff wins, conference titles, and SB trophies. But, he has only 3 years, and in those 3 years he has built a roster that has made the playoffs twice after missing them for 179 years straight lol. When I look for a GM, I am looking for all the things above. At the end of the day, what separates a GM from being seen as good/solid vs elite is a single player or two, with QB being the big one. For all of Beanes work to pay off in the trophy case, his one key selection of Josh Allen needs to officially pay off. All the signs are there that it will, but we will not really know the answer to that question until this year when we see what Josh does in his 3rd act with a properly stocked arsenal of weapons. Like you, I am quite optimistic on Josh taking another big step. I fully believe Josh is our future and the franchise QB to lead us to consistent playoff success. But again, the only thing I look for in a GM is can they rebuild my team and roster, and do so for long term success not some quick 2 year window like the Rams did trying to buy a SB and see that window start closing so fast due to cap issues. And what I have seen from Beane checks every single box I am looking for in a GM. So for me, I rank him higher for that. I get others wont agree...and maybe my opinion on this is premature in terms of conclusive proof...but I will bet anyone that I am proven right on this topic when we revisit in another 3 years hahaha For the record: Thoroughly enjoyed the conversation, and honestly we dont really even disagree that much on this other than I rank him higher today than you would. Except Eagles, not a fan of that GM.

That SB roster was not that good, you are over exaggerating it based on the result. That was a mediocre team who had a career journeyman QB go on a streak of games like he sold his soul to the devil as it was so above and beyond his norm. Truth is, if Wentz was in there, not only does he likely not out duel a 500+ yard Brady, but they likely wouldn't have even advanced to the SB as Eagles needed every inch of what Foles produced, and I dont see Wentz having that same run, especially what Foles did in the NFCC and SB games. Again, I get it...I would trade anything for a SB win too like that. But there is 0% chance I am trusting that GM, who every Eagle fan I know wants gone, to build me a roster over Beane right now. If you would hire him over Beane, well thats your choice and its all good. But I think if both were available, Beane probably gets hired first IMHO.

It happened, I saw it happen multiple times. But the overall success rate was pathetically low, and I know at one point was like under 5%. Don't know where the season finished, but it was a rare overturn to say the least. I can think of more instances where the call clear as day that the challenge should 100% succeed and they still didn't over turn it. This was a hard tank by the Refs and NFL allowed it to happen.