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Outstanding is extreme...I cant think of a single year where his roster was as good as Dallas roster. And the majority of the years, it wasn't a great roster...mid tier roster at best most years of his career. He has frequently had a poor offensive line. He had an elite WR, but one show struggled with injuries. Had talented TE's that were never healthy much on the field. The only thing Andy consistently had was receiving weapons. They always had a good to great group of WR's. But the overall roster was not outstanding most of his career and not one year was that roster as good as Dallas roster is right now on paper. Of course you went straight to that...I did NOT compare them as players, but shocker thats how you took it lol. I compared the situation of how obvious it was that TT was not going to take us further than we had already been...just like Kirk was NOT taking the Redskins further than he had been. They kept getting destroyed in the playoffs and big games against good teams. I see you conveniently ignored the stats that showed Keenum and Kirk have been the same QB damn near in Minny, except Kirk has won less and not gone as far in the postseason and Keenum did. But please tell me more how good Kirk is. How he is the one that got away. How he is somehow the savior the Redskins missed on. I mean, he hasn't done much more with a substantially more talented roster in Minny than he did in Washington. And his stats actually went down in Minny than they were in Washington.

Come on gunner...thats foolish. Should the Bills have retained Tyrod and paid him as a franchise starter after he made 2 pro bowls as an alternate in 3 years here and was coming off the first playoff season in 17 years? EDIT: I am NOT...repeat NOT...comparing TT and Kirk. I compared the DECISION to either stay the course with someone each team KNEW was not the answer. So you can all stop incorrectly responding as if I compared to the two QB's. I said the decision was the same...both teams KNEW neither guy was the future and BOTH teams were correct. Difference, Bills had the right front office and coaching staff leading that rebuild, and Redskins are just the Redskins. OF COURSE NOT. But why? Because everyone and their mother new that would equal a mediocre team at best the next 4-5 years and if we truly wanted to start competing we needed to find a better leader at QB to build around. Does that mean the Redskins have done a GOOD job in rebuilding? Nope, BUT thats a totally different conversation. You can make a correct decision than follow it up with other poor decisions. Moving on and rebuilding was the right approach, they were going no where fast. Now, the Redskins have to make sure the put the right guys in charge to execute that rebuild, but thats INDEPENDENT on whether or not the correct decision was to over pay a mid tier QB.

Im not advocating Cam today is better than Dak today...I am advocating, regardless who one lists as better, the difference is negligible. Cam in 2015 all day over anything Dak has done of course. And with Dalton already there who came in willing to accept a backup role, you got great insurance against the health risks of Cam. Because if I am being honest, I do not think the Cowboys are much worse with Dalton over Dak as it is. Dalton never had a roster this talented to work with and I think he could be quite good for them too. So if Cam's body betrayed him, you still have a long time quality starter in Dalton that can come in and likely play well himself. I highly, but respectfully, disagree about neither being capable of being good starters still.

Really? How can anyone say its a stupid decision? With all that money Minny spent on Kirk, how are they better off than what a journeyman did with essentially the same roster? Keenum didn't even have the benefit of an explosive 1000 yard rusher like Dalvin as he was knocked out for the season in his first game while Dalvin was a major weapon for Kirk. Case Keenum 2017: 98.3 Rating - 3,547 yards, 67.6%, 22 TD, 7 INT - Minny Record: 13-3, 1-1 postseason record and reached NFCC game. Kirk Cousins 2019: 107.4 Rating - 3603 yards, 69.1%, 26 TD, 6 INT - Minny Record: 10-6, 1-1 postseason record, lost in 2nd round, did not reach NFCC. Kirk has barely done more than the mediocre QB's before him in Minnesota did despite better overall weapons. Now look at Redskins: They were were no where near close to truly contending for a SB. So they had to either: A) Invest top money in a mid tier QB that would keep their ceiling lower for years to come...or... B) Not pay him and rebuild the roster and try to build a perennial powerhouse, something Kirk was never going to get them too. If anything, Kirk cousins has proven the Redskins right in not paying him some huge some of money. His stats are almost the same as Keenums were and yet Keenum won more games and went further in the postseason. And Keenum isnt very good. I side with Redskins on this one...good move not to over pay a guy who was not the guy who was going to get you over the top. I only care about Super Bowls...and nothing about Kirks resume screams he is the guy to get you to a SB. Is he a good QB, sure, but he's in that borderline 2nd to 3rd tier of guys, middle of the pack. Thats not who I hand out mega money too. DISCLAIMER: I HIGHLY respect Kirk and his business savvy. Few players have managed their financial career to be able to maximize it to the highest degree the way he has. Sure, guys get paid you deserve it, but he has managed to extract substantially more money above his level of play better than anyone I can really think of. So big kudos to him, and mad respect for how he did it. Still not worth the money IMO, but I love that he got paid the way he did.

They could sign Cam Newton with Dalton as the backup. Or let them battle it out for the starting gig. Would the Cowboys really be any worse off with a combo of Cam and Dalton at QB than with Dak and Dalton? I don't think so personally, and honestly, given the way this team has underachieved in Daks best seasons, there is a case to be made they could be better. I mean Cam is a former MVP and taken a less talented team in the NFC to the SB.

Dak is NOT worth it. Period. Sorry only a few QB's are worth this kind of money, and those are the QB's that can CARRY your franchise to success despite the roster. Dak has NOT carried them to success with a loaded roster that includes one of the best OL in football protecting him, top 2 RB in the NFL, a $100M WR, and plenty of weapons to spread the ball around to go along with a pretty good defense. You want to argue in the modern NFL that QB's just get paid and that is just what you have to do, then fine, I wont argue with that. But Dallas has underachieved, and not even made playoffs in Dak's best years with this talented roster. And when I look at paying a QB this amount, I need to see the success on the field in the W/L column, especially with this roster. Guys like Wilson, Mahomes, Brady, Brees, Rodgers...list stops there...at who has played at a level that earns this kind of a payday for me. If I am Dallas, I look at my options...after already over paying an over rated WR in Cooper, over paying for a RB (not based on talent, Zekes talent matches the contract, just saying in todays NFL you don't need to invest so much at the RB position and so far no team doing so has won a SB either)...to go out and over pay a QB who has consistently underachieved with a talented roster by making him the highest paid in history. OR... DONT pay Dak and sign Cam Newton, former NFL MVP who took a less talented overall team to the SB and a near win in Carolina than what Dallas can field around him right now. And Cam would cost WAY less and could probably be an even friendlier team deal. Cam would take a discount to go start for the Cowboys, they would be a strong SB contender immediately still like they are now. Who is better...Dak or Cam...well health wise, Dak is more stable. But outside of that...you can make a case for either guy as the better QB...why, because its probably negligible in terms of ranking them. Neither could be argued to be head and shoulders above the other. Yet you could get Cam for a LOT less financial risk. Dak obviously has health and youth on his side, but Cam is only 32 and could still feasibly play at a high level for several more seasons and keep the Cowboys a perennial SB contender as well. TO BE CLEAR: I am not ADVOCATING the Cowboys ditch Dak and sign Cam. I am just pointing out while your point about building around a new QB now would be too risky given the level of talent on the roster is a good one...there is also a rare opportunity where a "new" QB is available that just happens to be a former MVP and SB participant who is available, healthy and only 32 that could come in and do a similar, or possibly better job than Dak has done with this team for a lot less financial risk. I fully expect Dak to stay in Dallas and not sign Cam...but at the end of the day, if Cowboys invest this much in Dak, they have massive contracts invested in: Overpaid QB who is delivering the success his contracts indicates he has. Overpaid WR who is not only over paid, but over rated as he puts up a few big games a year to pad season total stats and then disappears like 70% of the other games and in big moments...not to mention, has a history of the doppsies. Overpaid RB...not in terms of talent, Zeke is a beast...in terms of money allocation to this one position. I can't think of a single team that has had a RB that was top 3 paid in the league that has won a SB in the last 10 years. Its just not a position that you NEED to invest this amount in. I get it, Zeke is special, but its a lot when you also have these other Dak and Cooper contracts. This is why I am not high on the Cowboys potential as a "dynasty" in that other thread. I think the combo of the Zeke, Cooper and eventual Dak contracts will become an issue in the not too distant future personally. Especially if they are not regularly reaching at least the NFCC game.

I had a feeling this would happen...I mean the shutting down was due to the epidemic and companies file bankruptcy all the time to protect assets, not necessarily because they are insolvent.

@Kirby Jackson and @GunnerBill Cheers boys...good convo, good counter points. I still not sold on them potentially becoming a dynasty as I still think the Zeke and Cooper deals were mistakes and Dak situation is going to get messy. But still enjoyed the opposing dialogue. Hopefully I am right thought because the only Dynasty we want to see is a BILLS DYNASTY! Am I right? HAHA Cheers

I respectfully disagree...I could care less about dysfunction. Sure, sometimes its a great story line to follow...but its not why I watch. Antonio Brown was great to follow on there because the story was just nuts and HK gave us an inside look beyond just headlines and tweets. But overall, I didnt love the Raiders on HK because of Brown, I loved watching Gruden and his staff, the young guys trying to make the roster, etc. Im just different...I bleed football, so I love the football in Hard Knocks and the guys fighting for spots. Dysfunction is meh.

All good...I don't believe in Dallas front office managing a thin cap and restocking the cupboards. They have yet to figure out how to win with the team for the last 3 years with a lot of these guys in place. We are talking about a Dynasty with a team that couldn't make the playoffs with this roster and the roster being mostly healthy last year in a bad division. So...paper rich isnt the same thing as trophy case rich. The team can look however great on paper, they aren't translating into enough wins and now are leveraged to the top with this roster. They need to make this roster win...then they are going to also have to manage a maxed cap with WAY too much money invested in Cooper and Zeke. Not to mention, can Dak be a SB winning QB or not...he hasn't been able to get them very far while having his best seasons of his career. Now they are going to pay him too. End of day...Could be same as Rams...over paid QB, over paid RB, and over paid WR. Rams had to ditch Cooks and Gurley just to try and get back on track. Goff hasn't proven he can be a winner yet either yet he's paid like a HOF player. When Dallas shows it on the field and the front office shows it can make sound contractual decisions...I will start changing my mind. But ignoring Dak to over pay Cooper and Zeke...those don't seem like sound decisions to me. Not a chance Beane would leave Allen hanging to over pay Devin and Diggs. Again all good boys...just difference of opinion on these guys. Like I said, I feel they can be a contender...they are just 3 years too late to live up to that "gonna be a contender" status because for the last 3 years they were expected to win the division and be a SB threat. Hasn't worked out.

I guess we just get different things out of Hard Knocks...I dont care much for the dysfunctional, and maybe I didn't pay enough attention to it...but I dont really think its focused much on dysfunctional. Sure, there been a few things...but I don't feel like they are focusing on dysfunctional more so than they are focusing on interesting story lines, which sometimes turn dysfunctional. Bills are a good story line IMO...and would be good for the climate we are in right now. Good positive vibe, scrappy young team on the rise. But hey, just my 2 cents.

Im gonna drop some words you dread...CAP management. I trust Beane a heck of a lot more to retain our players, under the right contracts, and still find value across the roster in affordable signings and drafting well once we have to start paying our young guys their first big contracts. I do not have that same confidence with the Cowboys. Thats just the flat out difference for me. They have neglected Dak to over pay Cooper and over pay for a RB (Zeke's talent worth top dollar, but RB position isnt worth that hefty of an investment). And Zeke didn't exactly deliver a season worthy of that contract last year, although the talent is there regardless, he is a beast. They haven't handled Dak well since he got there between all the Romo stuff Jerry was saying while Dak was playing to how they have handled his contract. I don't have a lot of confidence in how they run the team there. Cooper isnt worth $20M per year, and while Zeke talent wise is there, has even one team won a SB with a RB who is in the top 3 highest paid in the modern era? Its just not needed, and thats a lot of bloated money into the RB spot and to a WR who isnt consistent enough to warrant that money. For me, I heard this all before here in LA as everything you are saying about the Cowboys is the same thing that was said about the Rams 3 years ago. Now they are having to churn their roster to make it work and they are no longer the favorites, not even in the top 5 in the NFC. In no particular order: Niners, Seahawks, Cowboys, Packers, and Saints are all expected to be better. Like I said...all good...I just don't believe they are a potential dynasty...heck, we don't even know if this team is capable of winning anything because they are mostly in tact and haven't been winning much of anything despite being in a weak division.

I actually think Bills would draw good ratings as people like underdogs and to the outside, we are seen as a scrappy underdog team. So many people I know kept texting me last year during bigger games or just games they were watching for fantasy football reasons about how fun we were to watch, especially Allen. I think in past years, no one would have cared...but Josh is a gamer and fun to watch as he can make a crazy play at any moment. Although I would prefer to see us do All or Nothing, I think Bills regime would not want a camera crew for a whole season with a young team and its not likely. But you made a good point about Bills controlling Embedded and not Hard Knocks. But I think that has more to do with the team and FO than a fan. I was talking fans were freaking out about Hard Knocks while also loving Embedded. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Good does not equal "dynasty". I think that is where me and you are not on the same page. I am not saying they cant be good...I dont see Patriots like Dynasty...Cowboys like Dynasty...49ers like Dynasty, etc and is what the point of this thread was as the article is talking next dynasty. Can they be good for a long time, sure, but can they be a dynasty and win 3 or 4 championships over the next 5 to 7 years...I don't believe it, I wouldn't bet on it, and I don't buy it. All good bud either way, all that matters is we all agree Buffalo is setup for this kind of potential

I hate those places...ha. Just suggested them as many people may flock there ha

Yet they have been a constant underachieving team and total disappointment. I will believe it when I see it on the field for a sustained period of time. Already acknowledged they SHOULD be good in the short term. I dont see it long term and they have yet to even be good let alone a dynasty with a loaded roster.

Yes he can, and I think he will. 4 primetime games this year where he amasses 500+ yards and at least 4 TD's is gonna jump start that.

Im just skeptical they can keep it in tact personally. And I think Jerry Jones is not a good GM overall and won't manage this team well. And I do agree McCarthy is better than Garrett who should have been fired a while ago. The same things youre saying about the Cowboys were said about the Rams a few years ago...and now Rams are already seeing a down turn without winning anything as a result. Jerry Jones loves shiney objects and I do not think he will manage a thin cap well at all. Again, talent is there on this roster, so not saying they cant be really good near term...conversation is about sustained dominance in terms of a dynasty. And I just don't trust Jones to pull another dynasty off.

As I wrote in my post, I just cant see the Cowboys as a candidate for a "dynasty". Candidate for a near term Super Bowl, sure. Dynasty is multiple Super Bowls and with all the money they have invested in Copper and Zeke, plus they would have to invest even more in Dak...I just dont see who they can keep a competitive team for a sustained period to win multiple SB and be labeled a dynasty. Add in that McCarthy struggled to win more with Rodgers (who is clearly quite better than Dak as Rodgers is one of the GOATS of his generation) because he could never field a complete team, especially on defense, and I just don't see them as a "dynasty" candidate. I think the defense is going to pay the price for all the money spent on the offense, and its likely to mirror the same fate of Rodgers and GB have had for most of his career. I expect Dallas to remain competitive for a while, but a dynasty is multiple SB championships and I think that is an uphill battle the way they are built and run. The only way I can see Dallas having a shot at a dynasty is if they hit a lot on their draft picks on the defensive side of the ball every year. And does anyone really trust Jerry Jones in that regard, especially on defense? I just don't have that faith in him as a GM to find affordable talent consistently in the draft for that defense. Other than that GB, your list is exactly the same as mine, except I have Bills at 3 and niners and browns at 4 and 5.

I think this list confuses potential great teams next year vs sustained dominance which is what a Dynasty is. This list should be WAY shorter. Only teams on this list should be: Chiefs - No brainer, nothing to say here. Best QB in the NFL, only 24, loaded with weapons and will be a perennial SB threat for the foreseeable future. Everyone is chasing the Chiefs right now until proven otherwise. Ravens - Very talented roster (even though I remain skeptical their offensive system is sustainable), reigning MVP at QB and a great coaching staff. The team is young at all the key spots too, something critical to that "dynasty" talk. Buffalo - Not a biased pick, our roster is loaded and is one of the best rosters in the NFL, and its a young roster. One wild card is the improvement of Allen, but given his track record there is every reason to believe that he will again take a big step, especially with the new weapons here and upgraded OL. And if he takes that big step, we are a serious SB threat this year and for years to come. With a 2 team darkhorse list that should include: Browns - On paper, this team is scary talented. It all comes down to what the new staff can do with Baker. Who is the real Baker...rookie Baker that was impressive...or Sophomore Baker who didn't take the step expected? Browns had inept coaching last year, and I think that Baker is better than what he showed last year. So, with all that talent around him, I think this team is in position to be dangerous if the new staff can elevate Baker. And like the 3 teams above, the key ingredient of youth on this deep roster is key to a potential dynasty. 49ers - Another QB issue team...very talented roster, and young at a lot of key positions. But some of that talent still needs to take another step, and Jimmy G has to show he isnt the most over paid game manager in history. Right now, Jimmy G is a poor mans Alex Smith. That isnt going to deliver you a dynasty. But they added more weapons last year and this year, so jury is still out on him. I don't think they have really tried to open it up with Jimmy G, which is why its not easy to see what his ceiling is. With more weapons I think they they will at least try and if he is up for the challenge, this team is built to win. Teams I have taken off the list: Cowboys - Yes I get they are set up to potentially be a contender this year. But with so much money wrapped up into Cooper and Zeke, once they pay Dak they are going to have a hard time keeping this roster together and strong at other positions. This is not a team I see set up for a "Dynasty" which is only earned after multiple championships over a sector of time. Could they win this year, sure...its the offseason, and on paper, they have a legit case to be dangerous. But I also think McCarthy is over rated and did not have enough success with one of the GOATS in Aaron Rodgers. Achilles heal of McCarthy teams in GB all these years has been the defense too...which is they very side of the ball thats gonna struggle with cap issues after paying Zeke, Cooper, and soon Dak. Titans - Anyone who puts "Titans" on a list of potential dynasties needs their head examined. Tannehill is NOT going to lead any team to a "Dynasty". Can the be a tough team, a good team, a team that contends...sure. But no way in hell is a Tannehill team going to win multiple championships in the next 5 years. Eagles - Geezus...how did they make the list. They have a QB made of glass and the roster is not in great shape. Yes, they can be a good team, but sorry...dynasty...not seeing it with this roster and a QB who cant stay healthy. Carson is talented, although a bit over rated based on one stretch of like 10 games 3 years ago. He has the potential still to recapture that level of play he had when he was in the MVP convo 2/3rds through the season. But he hasn't yet...and any team that has a QB that needs to recapture his form from 3 years ago and also struggles to stay healthy doesn't make any "dynasty" list in my book. Not to mention, they have the worst roster of everyone on this 9 team list right now. Chargers - LMAO...come one, they dont have a QB. Yes they drafted one, but it is going to take a couple years to see if he is the real deal or not, and he may not even play at all this year. And even if Hebert works out, what will the roster still look like once Hebert comes into his own is another question. This is just a foolish team to put on a potential "dynasty" list right now. They were not a very good team with a sure fire HOF QB last year. And yes Rivers has slipped, but it may take Hebert 3 years to get to the level of play Rivers had last year, if he even gets to be that good.

I was just gonna post that. You can see him squeeze the cup that is "empty"

Yeah its just crazy...you can barely tells these teams apart now in the same city, and same stadium. And yes, the Chargers did it better.

I love this series! Glad its back! Fascinating thing though: I do always find it interesting how many of the people who were hard core against being on Hard Knocks saying it would be a distraction and cause all these issues. A lot of people were against Hard Knocks, feels like more than half the board...yet this series seems to be mostly loved by everyone. Not sure what the difference is for those people... So I still hope the Bills make Hard Knocks one of these days personally, or even better, All or Nothing on Amazon Prime where they follow the whole season.

Ha yes meant Gaines...not sure why I typed Grimes, or maybe I made a typo and it auto corrected. My bad And is Taron that much faster in that area than Levi? If so, I wasn't aware and that would be a good point.

I like Taron, and dont disagree he's got a leg up on the Nickel. However, we got a real interesting competition all over the CB depth chart outside of Tre. Josh Norman is kind of penciled in given his past resume with McD, and if he can find his old self, or even close to it, then he will likely start the season as a starter. But thats still to be seen, the Norman that was in Washington the last couple of years does not have a lock on that spot. But lets say he does win the starting spot for week 1...we still have some guys like Levi and Grimes I think that not only push Norman for that starting spot, but will also push Taron for the Nickel spot. So for me, I think it begins with how the starting spot opposite Tre shakes out...then how do those guys who lose that battle fit into the Nickel spot. I like Taron, but I think it would be premature to say he would be a better Nickel than either Levi or Grimes right now. He's played well in his chances, but not so well that he cant be pushed or challenged by Levi or Grimes, both of which have had some solid success at times for the Bills too. And lets say someone surprises and beats out Norman for the starting spot, then would Norman be in the competition for the Nickel spot would be an interesting question as well.